i dont get why everone hates shivers. clearly no body who hates them has never riden them. mine are so much plusher than my fox's. and the flex issue? you just cant tell its there. there much better for smaller bump sensitivity (hence the reason usd forks are coming into fasion in the world cup). the only dis advantage is the weight. but my 222 is at 40lbs with shivers. which is pritty light for a dh bike. rant over. nice bike