n/a Photo at Bici Sport in Mill Valley, California, United States

Can't leave a poor frame sitting around un-built! 08 Sub, 09 Pike 454, XT M770 cranks w/ceramic bb, XTR M975 32t ring, Stroker Trails, FR6000 wheels, Graffiti SF 2.2, Masterpiece, Funn Serial Killa, NoThreadset, Speed V. 29 lbs (the weight is killing me).

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ballabika (May 21, 2009 at 17:59)

how is mine lighter?????

seraph (May 21, 2009 at 18:32)

See my reply to reilly's comment.

ballabika (May 21, 2009 at 18:37)

yea

ballabika (May 22, 2009 at 8:02)

pretty sick parts just to have lying around haha, looks sweet anyways dude

seraph (May 22, 2009 at 9:05)

Yeah well I've been at this "bike mechanic" thing for a long time, the parts kinda just collect. At one point I was able to build up a complete Blur 4X for my friend to race on, complete with Chris King wheels, a Marzocchi 4X WC, XTR cranks, and X.0 drivetrain.

ballabika (May 26, 2009 at 19:05)

yea thats very respectable man, wish i had a guy like u at my lbs, i have to like learn to keep my bike dialed thru trial and error sumtimes(truing wheels), my bike is also slowly getting there lol

theminsta (Jul 16, 2009 at 12:16)

You have the FR6000??? Damn.. no wonder the weight is killin ya!

seraph (Jul 16, 2009 at 13:01)

They're just wheels that I had laying around, I was trying to not spend any money on the bike.

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reilly (May 21, 2009 at 18:21)

nice, but couldn't you easily save over 2 lbs with lighter tires?

seraph (May 21, 2009 at 18:32)

These are just parts I had lying around in my garage.

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seraph (May 21, 2009 at 18:34)

For reference, this bike is built with parts I had just sitting around. The only part I bought specifically for it is the fork.

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gary1 (May 22, 2009 at 0:46)

Even if it is a 'budget'/spare parts build, It would look really nice with a change of saddle.

seraph (May 22, 2009 at 1:13)

That saddle doesn't even belong to me.

gary1 (May 22, 2009 at 1:32)

I don't know whether that's a good thing or not.

seraph (Jun 9, 2009 at 16:51)

It has a Funn Skinny RL saddle on it now, so it's all good.

gary1 (Jun 10, 2009 at 0:05)

Indeed it is. Yayyy.

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keiran (May 22, 2009 at 15:33)

i got my sub at 23

seraph (May 22, 2009 at 17:58)

I'm not trying to get this thing super light. My Blur 4X is 27.49 lbs so it's my light bike.

seraph (May 26, 2009 at 19:35)

For point of reference, I could easily get my Suburban down to 21-22 lbs (with suspension) if I wanted to, but I've already got a light bike.

jv86416 (Nov 4, 2009 at 19:58)

21 lbs wouldn't hold up though for what the bike is meant for.

seraph (Nov 4, 2009 at 20:23)

Sure it would. I'm a light rider and I always land smooth.

jv86416 (Nov 7, 2009 at 8:39)

than you're not actually jumping it. i could ride small smooth dirt jumps on a xc bike. if you're riding what that bike is meant for, there is no way 21 pounds without rigid would hold up. I barely cased a jump with those exact forks and now my steertube is bent

seraph (Nov 7, 2009 at 10:01)

Well, what can I say? I like light bikes, and I know how to ride them. If I can't ride this at 21 lbs, then how can BMXers ride sub-20 lb bikes and not break them constantly?

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TheBlackNasty (May 31, 2009 at 18:13)

hahah i was gonna buy a sub before i saw the Jab!

seraph (May 31, 2009 at 21:43)

They are both pretty sick rides.

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GeorgeOfTheJungle (Jun 9, 2009 at 16:05)

this bike's on craigslist... how much for whole thing?

seraph (Jun 9, 2009 at 16:50)

Considering the nice parts she has on her (Masterpiece post, XT cranks w/ceramic bb, King headset, ti rotor bolts, etc) I'd not let her go for less than $1000.

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ez-tyron (Jun 12, 2009 at 9:28)

are the wheels heavier then my azonic outlaws? cause im wondering f i should switch em

seraph (Jun 12, 2009 at 11:15)

I don't know, how much do your Outlaws weigh?

ez-tyron (Jun 12, 2009 at 11:19)

about 1200 g for each

ez-tyron (Jun 12, 2009 at 11:21)

well from azonic website its

Front Wheel weight: 1 lb 2.5 oz
Powder coated Rear Wheel Weight - 135mm: 1329g,

seraph (Jun 12, 2009 at 11:27)

So the Outlaws are about 5.3 lbs for the set. Mine are around that weight, if not a little bit lighter. I'd be happy to sell the bike without the wheels though.

ez-tyron (Jun 12, 2009 at 11:28)

for how much less?

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windowlicker (Jun 12, 2009 at 12:03)

Wow, this is a steal dude.

seraph (Jun 12, 2009 at 12:06)

Yeah I know, I just don't really need the bike anymore.

windowlicker (Jun 12, 2009 at 12:08)

For a thousand dollars, this spec is ridiculously epic.

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jfloyd (Jun 12, 2009 at 17:37)

nice bike if i was a bit younger

seraph (Jun 12, 2009 at 17:39)

Age is a number bro!

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ez-tyron (Jun 13, 2009 at 7:58)

ill buy ur frame and cranks n seatpost for 400, u can switch the xt cranks for those otherones if u want

seraph (Jun 13, 2009 at 8:33)

$450 and you have a deal.

ez-tyron (Jun 13, 2009 at 8:40)

where can we meet or else u ship??

seraph (Jun 13, 2009 at 9:50)

I can ship it from the shop at which I work via UPS. I can accept money through PayPal only.

ez-tyron (Jun 13, 2009 at 10:10)

u pay ship plz, 450 is all i got

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donthitthedog (Jul 29, 2009 at 23:39)

Is this a single pivot also? is it just a glorified single pivot?

seraph (Jul 30, 2009 at 10:53)

You're an idiot.

donthitthedog (Jul 30, 2009 at 22:22)

Thats alright! at least i know what a single pivot is! =]

seraph (Jul 31, 2009 at 11:24)

You clearly do not.

spudlord (Nov 8, 2009 at 12:46)

do u think he has realised what he has said?

seraph (Nov 8, 2009 at 13:18)

This is from an old argument. He was just being a smartass.

donthitthedog (Nov 9, 2009 at 20:53)

hahahahha. this bike is rad though

seraph (Nov 10, 2009 at 2:36)

This was a very fun bike. I somewhat regret selling it but there will always be others.

donthitthedog (Nov 11, 2009 at 21:48)

how much did you sell for?

seraph (Nov 12, 2009 at 0:00)

$200 for the frame to a friend of mine. It only cost me $340 or so originally. Story of my life :/

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blkmrkt-uk (Aug 26, 2009 at 16:54)

i want

seraph (Aug 26, 2009 at 16:59)

Too late, I sold the frame for $200.

blkmrkt-uk (Aug 26, 2009 at 17:08)

lol i hate u thats such a good price

seraph (Aug 26, 2009 at 17:08)

I tried to sell it for a long time, finally had to take a loss and sell it for $200 just to get rid of it.

blkmrkt-uk (Aug 26, 2009 at 17:10)

yah man i feel ya its only good on the buyers side of a reduced price bike, its just this is the first time i have seen the top in yellow and it looks realy good

seraph (Aug 26, 2009 at 17:22)

It's not a TOP, it's an NS Suburban.

blkmrkt-uk (Aug 26, 2009 at 18:28)

lol my bad as was looking at the top page on transisition.com when i wrote that lol

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WAKIdesigns (Aug 28, 2009 at 14:33)

Woo Seraph U got URself a finest bike piece that ever came out of hands of a polish designer. I think NS frames kick ass, but their components are just bloody average and they charge for them way too much. In fact NS hubs are nearly the same price as HOPEs, and that's hopeless... apart from the average stuff their handlebars are actualy a crap! heavy and bend/break easily.

seraph (Aug 28, 2009 at 14:35)

Well I don't have it anymore, so all this is moot.

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gary1 (Sep 8, 2009 at 9:36)

How did you like the Sub frame?

seraph (Sep 8, 2009 at 10:00)

Well I didn't really ride it for very long, but I can say that the geometry wasn't as comfortable as my Riots. I did appreciate the standard headtube, though. The paint is also very weak and not very thick, tightening the disc brake mounting bolts decimated the paint job in that area.

gary1 (Sep 8, 2009 at 10:06)

I am considering one as a replacement to my Holeshot.

seraph (Sep 8, 2009 at 11:24)

With the same parts as the Holeshot? The only problem I had with the Sub using gears was that there are no cable guides, so I had to use plastic adhesive guides and zip-ties all over the place. Also the lack of ISCG mounts makes setting up the chainguide less than ideal. My next hardtail frame is going to be a 2010 Santa Cruz Jackal, which I think combines the best of both worlds: street/dj geometry with adjustable horizontal dropouts, and ISCG mounts with cable guides.

gary1 (Sep 8, 2009 at 11:31)

No gears. Apart from that, pretty much the same.

seraph (Sep 8, 2009 at 17:07)

Well then yeah, it'd be a sweet street/dirt ride. Actually your parts setup would end up looking pretty similar to the one you see in this photo.

gary1 (Oct 21, 2009 at 13:05)

Our builds are wayyyy too similar. lol

seraph (Oct 21, 2009 at 13:06)

Well...this bike is no more, so you're on your own.

gary1 (Oct 21, 2009 at 13:07)

Well ye, but still. Im glad I have mine has cable guides, only thing that ruins your old build.

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Date: 2009-05-21
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Description: Can't leave a poor frame sitting around un-built! 08 Sub, 09 Pike 454, XT M770 cranks w/ceramic bb, XTR M975 32t ring, Stroker Trails, FR6000 wheels, Graffiti SF 2.2, Masterpiece, Funn Serial Killa, NoThreadset, Speed V. 29 lbs (the weight is killing me).
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