and first i said ew....but thats actually pretty sick colours!

thats sick if i had the $ i would buy that, its sick!

still like last years better. the line up didnt change much. neg prop me if you want. but thats my opinion

btw, its a grey frame. go look at the homepage. i thought it was greyish blue, which i didnt like...

its not a DH bike...

its a hell of a nice bike but in my opinion the 2009 empire 5 had way sicker colours

wont rear wheel hit saddle when compressed shock?

thats what i was thinking but obously the linkage says therwise

this is pretty nice, but last years was so much better looking, this is just not as top notch as last year, i was so stoked to see what they were going to do this year with it, and i got disapointed

is this all stock? if so y does it have a kenda in the front and maxxis in the back??

This looks like a sick bike i perfer this over the empire 5 any day

it is the Empire 5... (SE)

Well i know i ment the normal empire 5. I should have mentioned that...

how dare you say CAFE and NORCO in the same sentence

yeah sorry for my disobedience i shouldve realized

Ya u should have i mean cafe????

norco probly just screwed up, i bet if you bought this bike the tires would be the same

they would definatly come with nevigals

if prefer it with the maxxis, Pivotal on a FR rig, AT LAST, looks sweet, id have one if i had the cash

i agree wildabeest, but those are elixers not juicy threes.

Thank you mountain goat, my bad. but still.

And just the shock alone is worth quite a bit of dough. About $750 i belive. I have one of these and I'll say they didn't skimp much. The only thing that really needs upgrading is the brakes. But I have to mention that this bike rides amazingly. You wont be dissapointed.

brakes? the brakes are decent..... i think you mean, cassette, chain, derailleur shifter

most likely. theres several bikes missing. a-line, six, etc...

I dont think so. I think they are replacing it with the Empire five.

dont you think 5" is a little much for 4x? thats why they had the XXXX (4x). but then again, someone mentioned something about they thought Norco no longer has rights to FSR, which is what the 4x is...

The empire 5 uses FSR - so does the Team DH - and both those bikes are availible for 2010 so i don't see why the XXXX wouldn't be availible as well...

which makes no sense cuz them norco frames look nothin like a specialised frame

if you take a look at the rear triangle kyleg43, you'll notice it looks a whole lot like a specialized..

o...didnt realize they were FSR...what is FSR anyway...? maybe google knows...

Full Suspension Research. Quite a few suspension designs fall under the design that was patented by specialized quite avfew years ago. Its not the frame design that is patented but the linkage design and the way is effects the shock. Unfortunatley for other companies, specializes thinks that they own full suspension even though their recent attempts with their in house shocks and forks (Cross country) were a failure. But their downhill designs are solid.

ok. all i knew was they worked on it with the help of Norco, so Norco has some rights to it as well. thanks for the info though!

aflo661, you're misinformed if you think that SBC's recent foray into the front suspension market was misguided. Their single crown forks are on par with anything that Fox makes for the same categories, and they work more efficiently in conjunction with SBC frames than any other suspension fork on the market.

Such big comment you alk right. Noy reading anyones just giving u neg props... Simple as that!

I agree

i know it's just opinions. but i think both yours are sour. this bike looks sick!

its just color... id give anything to ride a decent bike

they dont sell them in the uk

has the 2010 ones actually come out yet ?