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UCI and USA Cycling are an absolute joke, politics, money, corruption with Phat McQuid the captain on the ship of fools. The sooner DH can break away from these clowns the better.

Yep. PODs have been booked until 2015.

BeardlessMarinRider, you are absolutely correct Amgen is a manufacturer of EPO. Given cyclings long and continued issues with PEDs I find it amazing they would think it's acceptable to be sponsored by a company who makes drugs which are used by some people as PEDs. The race organisers should be saying thank but no thanks and aligning themselves with sponsors who benefit the image of the sport. It should how truly stupid some people are.

RadBike13 - they didn't choose to fight, they chosed to tell the truth and were persecuted by LA and his vast resources. From a comment like that I seriously doubt you've done any reasearch on these people. Do youself a favour and look up Mike Anderson's story, he's only one of many.

Scott-townes - that chart I think you're referring to is an excellent and damning visual of the extent of doping during that period. By memory it means cadel Evans should be the winner in 2005 from 8th position. I agree with your last comment as it was from 2000-2007 that I took a keen interest in the TDF and remember some of the classic stages eg Pantani v Armstrong on Mont Ventoux in 2000. Now I watch it knowing most were on the juice and it's almost depressing. I'll just shut it out and focus on downhill.

I said large sums of money not substantial :), and I stand by that comment.

I do get the concept of not for profit as I actually have a finance/accounting background but thanks for checking. Fact: he was paid for that charity ride, they won't disclose what it was. Also do youself a favor and read these articles: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/wheel-dubious-lance-charity-raises-ethical-flags-article-1.1190810 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/sports/cycling/lance-armstrongs-business-brand-and-livestrong-are-bound-together.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0. It has been widely reported in a variety of media of the grey lines between the charity and a business. I never stated he made substantianal amounts of money so nothing insanely stupid was written. Your responses have been quite calm given your aggressive responses a week or so ago.

If you read more than just the headline it's a clinical trial matching service, not providing funds for clinical trials. I'm not against canceer awareness or reasearch, what I am against is people making large sums of money under the guise of a charity. LA was paid for speaking appearances at Livestrong events, something I think should have been done gratuitously for someone in his position. On the cyclingnews forum read the account from a bus driver involved in a Livestrong charity ride where people paid $35k to ride with LA and received tax receipts for $25k, there were 100 people on this ride over two days, do the sums on that one. BTW Our Meidcare system in Australia is excellent, it's still beggars belief why poeple wouldn't want a decent health system in place, it's a right not a privilege.

But I still don't see anything on the Livestrong site relating to clinical trials?

I'm looking and I see nothing in their mandate or programs that relate to research. They are programs to assist those with cancer and have survived cancer. Please direct me to the relevant section, it is Monday morning so I might still be stupid that'll wear off by lunch time.