NSSuburban26

From the OG 1st post its the basic logic with building but you don't need to take it completely literally. Simple rules to run by: 1. fix what you f-up 2. if there are locals there building ask them if they need a hand before you go riding their work 3. don't tear something down if you didn't build it, specially if you are not local 4. respect each other and dig/ride for the love Totally know what you mean bout the building "skill" some people have it others don't so you might just have them move dirt for you and pile it up, not necessarily shape the jump but an extra set of hands always helps. Now the whole vision thing it really depends on the spot but usually there are a set group of guys that build/ride all the time there and they are the go to guys about any ideas of what you may want to build, most of the time if they don't want it coming threw their lines they will have no problem you building off to the side. But its always good to bring new ideas to the table, and if you make your own thing to the side that is your own just let them know you wanna keep it that way not for them to edit it since you may not be up to par with their riding level yet and want something your size too. Now the good old "Local" term, Locals in my eyes are the guys who run the trails for the most part, they are putting in multiple hours out of their day into the trails. Just because you live a block from the trails and just bought a brand new bike and started riding does make you a Local where you can call the shots and boss people around, thats how you lose respect and just make a bad name for yourself. Clean an simple work your way up to the top if you wanna be considered a Local, help out the current Locals, put in your fair share of hours, ask if you can build you own lines. Don't just show up pick up a shovel and go hacking away at the already existing things there to make them to your level of riding.