Intense says that their most popular model has been the Tracer. Since its inception in 1999, the Tracer has been a vanguard trail bike, and its evolution is a living history of Intense, beginning as an aluminum, 26-inch-wheel dual-suspension chassis, designed by founder Jeff Steber and manufactured in the Temecula factory—and ending with the made-in-Asia carbon framed Tracer 275c, a breakthrough long-travel design that debuted on same day that Intense announced to the public that it had reorganized the business under a management team led by Andrew Herrick.Through those six iterations, the Tracer remained true to a single purpose—the ultimate dual-suspension trail bike. The
2017 Tracer breaks that evolutionary chain. It shares a number of coils of its namesake’s DNA, but it is a whole different animal: longer, slacker, more aggressive, and a magnitude more capable on the downs. Its suspension kinematics are not tempered to broaden its usefulness. The new Tracer is a gravity predator. It climbs like a bird of prey, circling up the mountain, unhurried, thinking only of the next chase and a 200-mile-an-hour dive to the valley below.
Tracer Factory Build Details:• Frame: Tracer 275 SL carbon, 165mm travel, JS-Enduro Link suspension, carbon upper-link, internal cable routing, ISCG-05 mounts, Boost axle spacing
• Fork: Fox factory 36, Kashima, 160 mm, FIT4
• Shock: Fox factory Float X2
• Transmission: SRAM XX1/X01 Eagle 12-speed
• Crankset: Race Face Next SL, 34T
• Brakes: Shimano XTR, 180mm F, 180 mm R rotors
• Wheels: 27.5” Enve M70 carbon rims, DT Swiss 240s hubs 32-spokes
• Cockpit: Renthal FatBar Carbon 20mm rise x 780mm x 31.8mm handlebar, Renthal 40mm stem, Fabric Scoop Radius Pro saddle, RockShox Reverb Stealth seatpost, 150mm.
• Sizes: Small, medium, large, X-large
• Colors: Red/orange/yellow or matte grey/black
• Weight: 13.4kg/28.7 pounds (actual)
• MSRP: $10,399 USD
• Contact:
Intense CyclesAbout the 2017 TracerThe 2017 Tracer’s carbon fiber chassis is a collaboration between Intense founder Jeff Steber and Cesar Rojo and his
Cero Design studio in Barcelona. Previously, Intense handled the suspension kinematics and frame geometry, and drew upon the composite design resources of Germany’s SEED Engineering.
The new chassis shares some of the trademark profile of Rojo’s Unno trail bike: a slim, ovalized top tube; clean, angular frame members; and a deeply sloping top tube with a triangulated seat mast. There is, however, no mistaking that it is an Intense.
Talking suspension, this Tracer has 165 millimeters of rear-wheel travel and sports a 160-millimeter-stroke Fox 36 fork. The dual-link configuration that used to be called VPP has been dramatically reconfigured to provide kinematics near those of a dedicated downhill machine. Gone is the regressive starting rate, intended to minimize pedaling bob and to guarantee firm pedaling. The new suspension curve progresses gently through the mid stroke, with a more pronounced rising rate to control bottoming at the end-stroke. The feel is huge and bottomless, but unlike its predecessor, the suspension doesn’t coddle its rider’s legs. If you want snappy acceleration or climbing, you are encouraged to employ that blue lever on the Tracer’s Fox X2 shock.
ConstructionTwo carbon layups are offered. Both frames emerge from the same molds, but the top three SL models use a lighter and thinner layup, made possible by stronger carbon materials. Intense offers four frame sizes (small, medium, large and X-large) and five different build options ranging from the $10,399 Factory model we review here, to the “entry level” $4599 Foundation model.
The quality of construction and finish are impossible to discern across the price range, with the only visual cue to define the high-end SL models being carbon fiber upper links. Expert and Foundation models feature an aluminum link. The rear suspension rocks on full-compliment angular-contact bearings and all the critical pivots use Intense’s adjustable collet system. Perhaps the most unique aspect of the chassis design is the suspension’s lower link, which extends from well below and behind the bottom bracket shell, over the top, to a pivot location on the down tube. The only explanation of the unusual link design is that the Tracer’s suspension kinematics dictated the forward pivot location.
Key construction details include substantially oversized seat and chainstays, braced by a matched pair of vertical struts – a configuration made possible by the elimination of the front derailleur. The swingarm has clearance for tires up to 2.4 inches, and any chain-slap should be silenced by a large rubber guard integrated into the drive-side chainstay. Cable routing is internal, and lightweight plastic tubes are installed inside the frame to facilitate easy component swaps. Down below, a 92-millimeter press-fit bottom bracket assembly is flanked by ISCG-05 mounting bosses that are squeezed between the crankset and the lower suspension link. Intense did not make any provision for a frame-mounted water bottle, which could be a deal breaker for fashion-minded riders who can’t picture themselves wearing lumpy cargo bib-shorts or hydration packs.
GeometryGeometry is a moving target in the long-travel all-mountain and enduro categories, and at present, exaggerated reaches and mega-slack head angles are taking center stage. Intense’s collaboration with Cesar Rojo handily puts that debate to rest. Rojo was the man who designed Mondraker’s Foxy back in 2012, arguably the first production design to meld an exaggerated top tube length and slack head angle with an ultra short stem. Mondraker called it forward geometry – and since then, Rojo has been perfecting the concept. As a result, the new Tracer’s geometry is deeply rooted in the rider-forward school of design, but not to the extent that only the world’s fittest and most capable riders can enjoy it.
INTERVIEW
There’s a story here, but rather than feed you the information second-hand, I asked Jeff Steber and Cesar Rojo to comment on the Tracer’s geometry and design.JEFF STEBER: Intense Founder
RC: What was the motivation for using Cesar Rojo and the CERO Studio instead of the folks at SEED to develop the new Tracer?
Jeff Steber: I had been wanting to work with Cesar on some projects for a while and now, with our European headquarters in Barcelona where CERO design is located, it also seemed like good timing.
I have always admired Cesar’s design vision and him pushing MTB suspension, geometries, and design forward. This is right in line with the Intense design philosophy and pushing our new models to the
leading edge. We have been working on a DH project with the new Intense Factory Racing Team as well as some other exciting projects, and mostly on the longer-travel bike projects.
We also have some projects with Thomas at SEED - one that I personally am very excited, as it is a new category for us at the other end of the spectrum. We currently use both SEED and CERO as developers of the carbon bikes and, depending on the type of bike segment, they both have their strengths. They are both important parts of our development teams and work through alloy prototyping here at our factory, through developing those into carbon models, and through the manufacturing process. The whole process is overseen by our product manager, Chad Peterson.
RC: Did the new Tracer begin as a clean-slate design, or is it a continuing evolution?Steber: The Tracer has always been one of our strongest brands within our brand, so really it is a redesign/evolution, but at the same time, Enduro has become a very strong global segment, so it was a perfect time to push Tracer a little further.
We have the Recluse in the line that really sits solidly in the trail bike/all-mountain segment - where the Tracer used to be, as far as its geometry and suspension feel, and it is still using our Trail Link setup. Whereas the 2017 Tracer has the new Enduro Link with suspension kinematics and geometry that are optimized for enduro.
RC: Now that Intense has a model dedicated to the genre, when will you announce an EWS enduro team?Steber: We are currently focused on Intense Factory racing and pushing DH bikes to next generation for the next season. It just so happens that some of our DH team members are quite good enduro racers, especially Jack Moir, who placed really well in a couple of EWS events last season, including a second place in stage six and eighth place overall in La Thuile, Italy.
CESAR ROJO: Cerro Design
RC: The new Tracer rides like an entirely different bike than last year's 275c. Did you have any time on the original before you began work on the 2017 version?
Cesar Rojo: Of course. The first thing we did was to get me on the old Tracer to understand how it rides and also because I never before had a chance to ride any type of VPP suspension. So, it was really good to see the strength and weakness and try to work around them to hopefully improve it.
RC: You pretty much established the rider-forward geometry movement while working with Mondraker. The 2017 Tracer, however, seems to
be a step back from the more exaggerated numbers that we would expect from you. Can you explain?Rojo: Well
that initial Forward was developed around a ten-millimeter stem, so we did compensate the bike length for that. But, once Mondraker went back to the 30-millimeter stem, they never compensated, so the bike was 20 millimeters longer that it was designed for.
In the latest years, I have been jumping around some Mondrakers we still have in the office, and other not-so-extreme long bikes and the main difference for me was that those extreme long bikes are super stable, give lots of confidence, but also take away fun due to being so long and hard to maneuver - even more if you are not so strong.
So, in the end, when you buy a bike (at least from my point of view), fun to ride is on the high side and performance, for sure, is super important. But, since I am not trying to win EWS’s, I put the fun part as a quite important one. So, in the end, it is all about compromises, and those [long] bikes have advantages, but for a certain, very small group of persons. And, they still need to be proven by winning races. As you know, in downhill, Mondraker has no forward geometry, so really, no wins on long bikes yet.
RC: Why did you abandon the regressive starting curve that characterizes the kinematics of the modern trail bike, in favor of a continuously rising rate?Rojo: That was the hardest part to achieve. What I found out of the regressive curve, is that when you are braking or riding light, the bike gets kicked all the time due to the very harsh initial part. So, this regressive made sense when XC bikes used to be ridden with zero-percent sag, but nowadays, you really don’t want this anymore for pure suspension performance. What you want is a suspension that can start moving with the smallest of the bumps, so this is what we tried to do here. And, it wasn’t easy, because it is something that is inherent of VPP with top-link driven shocks. But, I believe we have succeeded and this gives the bike a completely different riding feel than any other VPP out there.
Key ComponentsTen thousand dollar mountain bikes are equipped with most rider's dream list of components, and Intense's Factory build is exactly that: Fox's 36 fork and X2 shock are sitting at the top of the charts at the moment. SRAM Eagle 12-speed is both desired and necessary for a softly-sprung long-travel machine that is required to earn its turns. Renthal has become the must have among the sport's most talented descenders, and who's going to argue with an Enve wheelset that costs more than the shuttle trucks that some future Tracer owners drive? The Tracer's lofty component spec is the main reason that it hits the scales at only 28.7 pounds.
The Factory Build
Specifications
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Release Date
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2017 |
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Price
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$10399 |
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Travel |
165mm rear, 160mm font |
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Rear Shock |
Shock: Fox factory Float X2 |
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Fork |
Fox factory 36, Kashima, 160 mm, FIT4 |
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Headset |
Cane Creek |
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Cassette |
SRAM Eagle 10 x 50t |
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Crankarms |
Race Face Next SL, 34T |
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Chainguide |
ISCG 05 mounts |
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Bottom Bracket |
SRAM press fit 92mm |
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Pedals |
NA |
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Rear Derailleur |
SRAM Eagle X01 |
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Chain |
SRAM Eagle |
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Front Derailleur |
no provision |
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Shifter Pods |
SRAM Eagle XX1 |
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Handlebar |
Renthal FatBar Carbon 20mm rise x 780mm x 31.8mm |
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Stem |
Renthal 40mm |
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Grips |
Intense Lock-on |
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Brakes |
Shimano XTR Trail 180mm rotors front and rear |
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Wheelset |
Custom build |
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Hubs |
DT Swiss 240s |
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Spokes |
DT Swiss |
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Rim |
Enve M70 carbon |
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Tires |
*e-thirteen TRS 2.35" front and rear |
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Seat |
Fabric Scoop Radius Pro |
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Seatpost |
RockShox Reverb Stealth 150mm |
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| ...The Tracer's ability to claw its way around corners is the first hint of its descending talents. |
Intense gave Pinkbike a medium and a large sized Tracer for this review. I typically ride mediums, and initially, I felt stretched on the medium Tracer, but found it to be comfortable after I had some time on it. Test rider Harold Preston chose the large and reported a similar adaptation period. Taking the advice of Intense team mechanic Chappy Fiene, we set the shock and fork towards the stiff side of supple, which initially feels like it will result in a choppy ride. Once you build up some speed, however, the suspension delivers a supple, extremely quiet ride that is sensitive over the smaller hits, and with a lot of support in the mid-stroke. I prefer to set my shock at 30-percent sag, but the nature of the Tracer's gradually rising rate is such that increasing or decreasing the shock pressure simply moves the rear suspension to a different ride height while delivering a similar suppleness off the beginning of the travel. That blend of supple and support translates to predictable traction, and the Tracer's ability to claw its way around corners is the first hint of its descending talents.
Before you can enjoy the Tracer, however, you'll need to follow a couple of rules. The first is to keep your weight over the stem. There is no escaping the effects of the bike's 65.5-degree head tube angle, tiny stem, and long reach. Until you learn to take the reins and direct the Tracer where you intend to go, it feels a little cumbersome. The second rule is (as fellow test rider Harold Preston remarked), you have to be the boss. You have to make a conscious effort to push the front of the Tracer into the ground, unless you are descending steeply, in which case, your body falls naturally into position, more or less centered between the wheels, and with a noticeable amount of pressure on the handlebar grips. Reproduce that feel and the bike will do just about anything you ask of it.
| Its rear suspension never settles into a spot where pedaling feels efficient without switching the Fox X2 damper into climb mode. |
It should be no surprise then, that the bike's rider-forward geometry favors much steeper and more technical descents than its 2016 cousin. Spend enough time on it and you will begin to seek out rowdier trails - the ones that used to be the domain of DH sleds. While that may seem like journalist's cliche, the latest Tracer would be at home in any bike park, and by the same token, it isn't much of a trail bike. Descending trails that don't trace the fall line, however technical, can be a little boring.
Speed makes the Tracer happy. When you start doubling rock gardens and airing drops that you would normally roll, the Tracer awakens and the real fun begins. Push it hard through the turns and the worse you'll get is a grippy rear-wheel drift. It will slam through a nasty set of boulders, or if you choose, you can finesse your way through—as long as you keep your momentum up, all things seem possible.
| The Tracer is a forgiving platform for jumping. Think wheel high and the front end will stay up, keep an eye on the landing and the Tracer's front end will arc towards your target. |
As important as it is to keep the front end weighted when maneuvering in earnest, the Tracer is a forgiving platform for jumping. Think wheel high and the front end will stay up, keep an eye on the landing and the Tracer's front end will arc towards it. It saved my bacon by shrugging off a few landings that should have tossed me. The better jumpers who rode the Tracer reported similar results—that it didn't buck and that they were comfortable jumping from uneven, natural terrain.
What the Tracer doesn't do all that well is climb. Its rear suspension never settles into a spot where pedaling feels efficient without switching the Fox X2 damper into climb mode, and even then, it is not all that inspiring. Once you get it and stop racing to the summits, the Tracer settles into a more luxurious pace and actually feels OK on the legs. Of course, the Tracer doesn't care about the work required to get to the top. All it wants is another crack at that short, sweet dive to the bottom.
Technical performance The Tracer's big numbers were on the money. Its 75.5-degree seat tube angle seems just right for muscling up steep and techy climbs and its front end is slack enough to take on scary vertical without causing the steering to go haywire on slower trails or seated ascents. Its smaller numbers were also well executed. The bottom bracket was just high enough to keep the pedals from smashing everything in sight. I only had a handful of pedal bashes and none so great that it sent me off line. I had to research the chainstay length (they are remarkably short, at only 17 inches/432mm) to discover how the rear tire could find grip on wet boulders while I was leaning over the front of the bike.
Suspension, both the Fox 36 fork and X2 shock, and the Tracer's revised kinematics are spot on. The bike felt right from the get-go. That said, though, I wonder what a coil shock with a climb switch could bring to the table?
Braking felt smoother and more controllable than I recall Shimano's XTR stoppers have been, partly due to the Tracer's rear suspension, which does a great job of keeping the tire glued to the soil. We did overheat a caliper shuttling DH runs, which resulted in a bleed session to remove the bubbles, but beyond that, the Tracer found enough traction to use the sharper braking power of Shimano's best trail brakes.
Our Tracers came with super grippy 2.35-inch e*Thirteen
TRS tires, which hold onto the earth like scared baby monkeys to their mothers. Unless you are pointed nearly straight down, though, they feel draggy. If you shuttle most of your trails, then you will rave about the grip and consistency. If you earn your turns, however, consider investing in some faster rolling rubber. Harold switched to a Maxxis Minion DHF up front, with an Aggressor in the rear and his Tracer was noticeably easier to pedal on the flats and climbs.
Intense has nearly broken free of its loose pivot curse, but we did have to adjust the lower link bearings twice during this review. Nothing huge, just a small amount of bearing play that may have been natural, but it's worth reporting.
Pinkbike's Take: | Intense, in collaboration with Cero Design Studio, has successfully reforged the Tracer from one of the more versatile trail bikes in recent history into a sharp-performing enduro racer that could double as an epic park shredder. Intense says that the 2017 Tracer is an evolutionary step, but I would describe the Tracer's transformation as a metamorphosis. The playful, ready-for-anything trail bike has enlisted in enduro boot camp and graduated with honors. The new Tracer is sharply focused, eager for mortal combat and (dare I say) far more capable than most of its owners will be. If you want to slay trails, Intense can now sell you a proper weapon. - RC |
I have no idea what would come out best, but this isn't like Ferrari vs Skoda. It's more like Ferrari 488 vs Audi R8.
$10,399 USD = $13,683 CAD at todays rate.
Add in the beauty 12% tax here in BC and the grand total is (cough) $15,324.
On the bright side, that's only $534/lb. A bit more than Kobe beef, but a steal compared to Beluga caviar.
Friends don't let friends ride SpecialEd
www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_library/bulletins/pst_204.pdf
whoops, my bad you're right. That changes everything. Only $14,367 then... I'll take 2.
Import duties in BC are 13% plus 5% sales tax.
And that will also be purchased from a company that can't get any other Fox parts aftermarket. (MEC)
Have you tried the FIT4 with the E16 tune and PTFE damping fluid? I've tried both and while bother are amazing dampers I'd say the FIT4 would be better suited for 90% of riders.
I would agree that the non RC2 setup is better for most - I just like to have more things to tinker with/excuses at the trailhead!
Yup! And that's the 10% I'm talking about.
Lots of people will just run the RC2 damper on a random spot because they either don't care or don't know how to set it up.
That's why they make both!
ouch.. not a great report for a $10k bike, unless it was a DH bike.
And that's before tax and shipping. But that's not a bash on just Intense, bike mftr's and parts companies have all been complicit here. MTB is becoming a sport for the rich it seems like. $1000 forks, $500 droppers, $200 pedals, $1500 drivetrains......
Several smart motorcycle manufacturers realized that they needed to start selling smaller, cheaper models (that don't suck!) to create a new generation of riders. After all, in another 20 years the current group of buyers will disappear.
I hope that is not also true of mountain biking (I know a guy in his 70's who still rips) but there don't seem to be too many mountain bikes that I'd call decent for less than $2500 USD. Sure for $1000 you can buy a bike with a RS fork you've never heard of and questionable brakes but who really wants to ride that? The trick is to sell a cheap bike that doesn't suck. Fox 32, Deore brakes and drivetrain, etc. Good enough, and won't poach the market of serious riders.
We don't complain that DH bikes don't climb well, & it's similarly silly to complain about the technical climbing skills of a bike designed around smooth, untimed ascents & nearly DH worthy speed & challenge on the downs.
Granted, we should soon see a new Nomad and I'm sure a new Spartan not that far behind and I would expect them to be even more DH orientated. (because the last versions of the Troy and Bronson were more Enduro orientated) Though I'd be surprised if they gave up that much of their current climbing abilities in doing so...? (The test on the new Slayer makes it out as needing to be in the steeper geo setting, but once there it was a decent climber.)
(IDK about tracer/recluse, etc.)
Any company that makes a "AM" bike & an "enduro" bike, the enduro bike is going to be the fastest downhill weapon it can be without being a burden on the liasons. Any climbing ability it has past that is a bonus, not the expectation.
The word you looking for is 'comfort,' Richard.
Hello Mountain Bikers with limited world view. Enduro is not the most fashionable thing in MTB anymore. Laughing at Enduro is. This stupid anti-Enduro push, making people say they enjoy smaller bikes, trail bikes they call them now. Hey you found yourselves another safe space where nobody can see how slow you are. Because that's what Enduro did - it exposed who you are. Hey! There's nothing wrong about being slow or non- competitive. We all make different life choices. It is pretending you are fast, lying to yourself is the stupid bit. Keep hiding in whatever niche you can find and pointing fingers at water bottles, goggles in open face lids, fanny packs, too much travel, it won't change who you are.
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And how long have bottles been around for? Longer than back packs anyway. So to dismiss those who use bottles as fashion minded is simply way off the mark.
Another bike to never own. I don't care how good the bike is or how much of a good deal (YT etc) it's good to have the choice between the two ways to carry water. Taking a back pack on a two hour ride is a joke.
Meanwhile:
dirtmountainbike.com/news/exploding-e-bike-battery-causes-half-million-euros-worth-damage.html
Imagine if this News get's on Pinkbike... I can smell a poll
A) Over $10,000
B) had 26" wheels
C) on fire
D) Make freeride great again.
E) all of the above
That hasn't happened here. Intense put RC on a large and the numbers are not out there.
Add in the fact that there is no water bottle mount and you have the true rebirth of the freeride bike.
On another note, what happens next when they relaunch the Carbine as a 29er Enduro sled that can climb as well, does it make this bike redundant for anything but park riding?
The "too much travel, too slack geo" argument has been used in 2010-2012 when people were swapping DH bikes for 160 bikes. And it was bullcrap. People were doing it not for handling, but for ability to climb. These days this argument doesn't exist. People just don't want to be identified with Enduro. It's a fashion thing. And a rather self unaware and mistaken one. Because in one way (just like 5 years ago with DH bikes) they say, that they want a smaller bike, BUT they still want the very long reach and slack head angles - as you can see under this article where people say that this Intense is not long enough. Theeen as I wrote above, people say they want smaller bikes, but they keep components from the big bikes: 150-160 forks, big knobby tyres, tough wheels, wide bars etc. So the only real difference people say they want is that they want less rear travel. Which is... stupid because as I wrote above, great shock will make big bike pedal as well as small one. And people don't care for these shocks for small bikes because these bikes suck at bump eating anyways. Don't believe me about geo? Go look at articles on Pole bike or Geometron. Almost everyone is super excited for these. Then a bike like Intense comes along and people whine for them being short across the entire fleet.
I've been there with enduro bikes before enduro got cool and I've been there with short travel bikes before trail got cool. Bronson does sound like a good alternative for Nomad, but 5010 is plain stupid, unless you use it as a long travel XC bike in a very, very light build.
As to what pros use - it is beyond our comprehension. They use whatever feels right to them. Jared Graves surely deadlifts 10x 300lbs with ease, comfortably clears a double on BMX track at speed that would make you not even make it to the landing - how about trying to mimmick these treat of his? Their physical and skill capability far exceeds what we can do. Try riding Yeti Sb66 down PMB track and open some gas - you'll fkng die. Treating a 160 bike as an otpimal park bike is not smart by any means - why wouldn't you ride a DH bike? Forgives more mistakes of a person that doesn't ride like Jared graves, and is more durable. The last two years is where downsizing in MTB started going wrong. And call me a conspiracy theorists, I feel it has to do with A:bad taste left by Enduro hype, and B: the current hype for short travel bikes. It has nothing to do with actual performance
I also pointed out that Mitch Ropelato won the Enduro National Championship here in the US on a 5010 even though 99% of the riders would have walked certain sections on a 160 bike. Roughest courses I have seen in the US ever.
In this day and age, the high end components are great and the mid range stuff is just as good to the average rider. The low end stuff isn't even bad. Bike tech has come a long way in the last couple of years to add very small compromises between price points.
I learned a while ago that top of the range suspension on an average frame is better than average suspension on a top of the range frame. People can do demo rides and decide for themselves...
Conversely, I fully lost my ass on that M6. More interest doesn't always translate into getting a good sale price. Basically, lots of people asked me about the Intense, but most of those offers didn't pan out. On the Titus, rather than getting interest via brand name searches, I got interest when I dropped the price enough to show in the searches of people who didn't search by brand, but instead looked at every bike for sale under a max price.
We are going backward performance-wise, think early 2000, but cost is up 4 times to what it used to be!!!! Ridiculous!
At north of 10k the industry is pushing pricing well into completely mental territory.
But while reading the review it sounds like a very "modern" geometry, like Mondraker or Geometron inspired, I dont really get it compared to other reviews- for example the Merida One-sixty has in size Large (granted, they seem to not offer an XL but still) 475mm reach, 430 CS and 65,3° HA and the reviewer says "It might not they longest or slackest bike out there, but I found One-Sixty's numbers worked really well for me. "
Mondraker Dune 160mm Travel
FRAME SIZE S M L XL
A Seat Tube Lenght 380mm 420mm 470mm 510mm
B Top Tube Lenght 608mm 633mm 656mm 678mm
C BB Drop -2mm -2mm -2mm -2mm
D BB Height 343mm 343mm 343mm 343mm
E Chainstay 432mm 432mm 432mm 432mm
F STA Actual 68.9º 68.9º 68.9º 68.9º
G STA Effective 74.7º 74.7º 74.7º 74.7º
H HT Angle 65.5º 65.5º 65.5º 65.5º 65.5º
I Fork Offset 44mm 44mm 44mm 44mm
J Wheelbase 1190mm 1215mm 1240mm 1264mm
K Head Tube 110mm 110mm 120mm 130mm
L Reach 450mm 475mm 495mm 515mm
M Stack 593mm 590mm 602mm 611mm
The medium Tracer has an effective TT of 597mm and a reach of 436mm compared to the Dune's 633mm and 475mm.
"Rojo: Well that initial Forward was developed around a ten-millimeter stem, so we did compensate the bike length for that. But, once Mondraker went back to the 30-millimeter stem, they never compensated, so the bike was 20 millimeters longer that it was designed for."
The math doesn't add up. Note that Intense put RC on a large, when he normally rides a medium and that the dropper is almost as slammed with the seat tube as it can get. The dropper is a 150mm.
Intense used to be special. Sure they use to crack all the time and had horrible customer service but they were "special". Welded up in right here in the USA.
Cerro designed it.
Generic Chinese Carbon Factory builds it.
Intense designs the graphics and picks the colors?
What's the difference between them and Transition? Not even going to compare them to a company that actually engineers their own stuff.
I like the paragraph starting with: "before you can enjoy the tracer" - it describes the proper way of riding a bike... I just don't know why nobody writes that in reviews of modern DH bikes which feel like sht unless you ride them on steep sht full of huge rocks, keep the gas open and commit to everything.
Is it because of MEC carrying the brand now?
Seems like they are just fostered a really bad reputation for themselves.
Nomad 4 drops later this year. It'll be interesting to see what direction SC go considering the Bronson 2 covers most peoples 'all-around' needs. I'm guessing a mini version of the V-10...
This more linear progressive design will make for a more predictable ride which faster riders will appreciate.
Problem being a lot of the people who buy this kind of bike will be older more well off types who wouldnt have noticed the Nomad is a turd (do any SC riders use one at all in EWS?) and will instead like the fact that it feels 'plush' and they can mash on the pedals with little technique and still climb at a decent rate.
I may be biased as I hate bikes with odd leverage curves, this new Tracer looks great but I simply cannot afford one.
The Bronson gets more mainstream attention because it caters to a much larger percentage of riders who can make the most of it. To get the most out of a nomad you probably have to be in the top 10% skill wise versus a Bronson you can be in the top 45% and really enjoy it. By saying the nomad is a bad bike all you are revealing is that you aren't a high skill rider who can appreciate or push it to where it needs to be to excel.
Think about an F1 car as an extreme example. Unless you have the skills to push that car fast enough to create downforce and heat up the tires you will slide off the track and crash, this does not mean the car is bad but rather it demands a high driver skill threshold to perform properly.
Also if you were right would Josh Lewis and other sponsored riders not have used them at the EWS? They all used bronsons until the Hightower was available.
The truth is many Nomad riders are middle aged weekend warriors, the comparison to F1 is hilarious.
I wont bother arguing the point, just wait until the next gen bike is released with geometry and kinematics similar to this Intense.
For that kind of money,I would go full custom,and not with a Intense frame.
1) Press fit BB
2) I had three (THREE!) defective Intense frames over the course of 15 months.
3) Sh!t customer service
4) Countless other weird quirks
1. The bike specs clearly state a press fit BB, am I missing something? Are they not going to get the BB they paid for? Of course I understand you don't like press fit BB but unless the bike was advertised with something different the buyer is getting exactly what they paid for.
2. There are a-lot of factors that can lead to a defective frame but again this is your personal experience. I can guarantee you are thrilled with parts that I have had fail on me, does that mean you did not get what you paid for because of my personal experience?
3. Personal experience
4. Personal experience
While I understand you are not a fan of the brand because of your personal experience, your personal experience does not = people who buy this bike will not get what they pay for. I have several friends who ride Intense bikes without issue, did they not get what they paid for?
It not that it can't climb, it thrives on descending, you wouldn't want this whip between your legs on a 50 mile epic with 10000 feet of climbing.
The New Tracer is suited more towards an "Enduro World Series" lifestyle, Intense needed a bike in their fleet to compete at this level. The prior Tracer was a tad under gunned in this league and still a brilliant do it all bike.
I love my T275C in long setting for most everything. Just wish they'd make the short travel setting more usable for the occasional low angle punchy/tight turned trail riding (e.g., Gooseberry) by making it steepen the HA/SA and raise the BB.
But while the promotion of regressive Leverage Ratios as an exemplary characteristic of mountain bike suspension geometry was a wholly misguided exercise the modifications that have, evidently, been needed to dispense with the regressive Leverage Ratio bathwater have resulted in the baby, i.e. the first rate anti-squat profile so common to VPP bikes, being thrown out as well. With the anchored pivot of the lower link being in the position it is (which is at odds with Steber's other Santa Cruz influenced designs) this linkage can't possibly result in the high anti-squat levels of a common VPP design. From the common elements used to turn out VPP designs exhibiting all the classical qualities Cesar Rojo has fashioned a bike that shares none of these qualities. I doubt that it will be up to the standard of other VPP bikes. That's a pity, because ridding the bike of the regressive Leverage Ratio was a laudable objective. But this is not the right way to achieve it.
Frame only option?
You and Ronald Macdonald can be buds
When I think Intense this video comes to mind.
YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO OWN EVERY BIKE. Yes YT, Commencal, and Canyon offer bikes for much less but guess what? Intense will still sell many of these regardless of the complaining. There are A LOT of people that will buy this bike. And you will be riding the YT's and Canyons having just as much fun. So what's the problem? This bike isnt driving the direct sale bike company's prices up. This is a Ferrari 458. The YT is a Z06. They can perform basically the same but no one complains because it's a Ferrari. This bike is for those that want the Ferrari.
There is a demographic here who can afford this sort of bike. But even if there wasn't, the criticism of its value for money is still very valid since it doesn't seem to offer anything over other "boutique" frames like the Nomad or SB6C.
10k? 10k for what? The tracer doesn't seem like a real winner here. May as well buy a mondraker
• MSRP: $10,399 USD
more of everything!
Puzzled that the response to this is the launch of an increasingly expensive product. When brands have run themselves into these dead ends before, it usually takes a few years of "buying business" to rebuild brand faith. Marin are doing it now. Whyte did it five years ago.
I can't see this bike relaunching their brand. Just ripping off their existing loyal client base. Get this wrong and theyre on a hiding to nothing. Watch this space I guess.
For a bike?
www.pinkbike.com/news/lets-not-be-a-holes-opinion-2017.html
"ask yourself, "Would I say this thing that I am typing right now to their face if we met on the street?"
Vernon Felton
mrblackmorescorner.blogspot.com.es/2017/07/santa-cruz-nomad-4-vs-ibis-mojo-hd4-vs.html
I mean seriously, relocate one of the pivot points by a few mm, shorten / lengthen the link by a small amount or change its angle and you will make a huge difference to kinematics - Though you wouldnt notice this in a photo when on the end of a computer screen.
You give the name 'Maestro' etc to a system which has effectively been around for decades before use in cycling - Cycle suspension designers have just refined the principle in a manner specific to the bike to give the characteristics they find desirable.
Pretty much any design with a migrating pivot point is a 'VPP' by its definition as its pivot position is not fixed, hence 'Virtual Pivot Point' Santa Cruz just capitalised on the word game and seem to be the only brand associated with what is a very common form of suspension design.
Alloy prototypes that were built and designed at Intense were being ridden and tested before Cero was brought in. Cero collaborated with Jeff and Intense engineers to create the carbon model and tweaks for production.
But it's a little bit "plastic"
You can take out a loan to buy the intense or other bikes at Jenson.
Class acted by Intense Cycles.
when are we going to get a new Tazer HT?
Where do I get one!!!!!