August 2016: Good Month or Bad Month

Aug 30, 2016 at 23:41
by Richard Cunningham  
Pinkbike


Tracey Hannah

Aussie invades Canada

August was a good month for Tracey Hannah, who came to Whistler Crankworx with her sleeves rolled up, ready to do battle with Canada's best gravity racers on their home soil. The Australian has been on a tear this year, moving back up the World Cup ranks, and in a pre-race conversation, Tracey said that she had trained hard for this season, but more importantly, that she has never felt more confident on the bike than she has this year. Hannah had to settle for second place in the Garbanzo DH, two seconds behind Squamish shredder Miranda Miller. The Garbanzo must have been a warm up lap for Hannah, because she then trounced all comers at the Canadian Open, which is that country's most important National contest - sometimes referred to as the "BC DH World Championships." Tracey put ten seconds on second-place Manon Carpenter, and was over 14 seconds up on third-place Vaea Verbeeck, who was the top Canadian. Beginning with Verbeeck, local BC hotshoes filled out the next five spots. With that victory, Hannah nailed down the Crankworx overall DH title as well.

Tracey Hannah smashed out run after run in practice saying that she enjoyed the pain and punishment of it all. With two extremely rough WC rounds coming up in Andorra and Val di Sole it was certainly some good training.
Tracey Hannah says she is more confident on her bike than ever.



Brett Rheeder

Breaks his Joyride curse.

Brett Rheeder upheld the Whistler Crankworx tradition of winning the Red Bull Joyride in the first round with a single run - a story normally written by his arch rival, Brandon Semenuk. It was clear from the start that Sunday was all Rheeder's. Brimming with confidence, power and grace, the Freestyler from Toronto put in a near flawless run on a track that saw most contestants struggling with wind and wits just to finish with a clean run. His score for his first try was an untouchable 93, and it probably would have been higher if the judges (who reportedly were tipped off that Semenuk was using a custom made Freecoaster rear hub to allow him to execute reverse tricks) had not been anticipating a breakthrough performance from Brandon. That was not to be, however, as Semenuk suffered a rare brain fade and botched both of his runs before he even got rolling. It was a convincing victory for Rheeder - his first Crankworx Joyride win - and one that could only have been sweetened if his frienemy had also been on point that day.

Today was all about Brett Rheeder who brought his A-Game and threw the gauntlet down on his first run. Setting the standard and rising the bar higher than anyone else could reach.
Brett Rheeder made the Joyride course seem effortless.



Great Deals on Bikes

Big-brands clear their shelves for 2017 models


New bike buyers who didn't feel pressured to purchase the latest and greatest discovered that some well-known brands were heavily discounting their high-end mountain bikes in August. If you had cash laying around, it was a free-for-all. The cause of the summer fire sale was that most brands over-forecasted their 2016 models - especially at the pricey end of the spectrum. Estimates vary, but insiders report that some noteworthy industry leaders are sitting on 20-percent of their inventory, which
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was an unappealing predicament, further worsened by the fact that most 2017 models are visibly improved with rider-forward geometry, 12-speed transmissions and "Metric" shocks. Collectively, the big brands were tight lipped about it, but with no gentlemanly way to dump the overstock, they pushed the big red "Sell" button in early August, advertising discounts up to 35-percent and more. New bikes were popping up everywhere on the trails.



Pinkbike



World Cup Downhill Announcers

Show some respect to the Reigning Champ


I thought I was the only viewer who was fed up with Claudio Caluori's and Rob Warner's persistent dismissal of Rachel Atherton's outstanding performances as either "expected" or the logical byproduct of a female riding in the proximity of penis-bearing siblings. Turns out a lot of people are fed up with it, including Rachel, who shrugged it off for most of her career. At least, until Mont Sainte Anne, where she was the second fastest racer - female or male - through the speed trap, and was inspired to post a comment to that effect on her social media page.

Consider Rachel's dominance in a different light: She has worked her way back to the top step from a number of injuries. She has come back to the top step from debilitating illness. She has won on every type of race course, and in every imaginable weather conditions. She has adapted to a number of race-bikes that I know from experience, are worlds apart in their handling departments, and yet she rode each of them to victory. She has reinvented her technique and maintained a winning emotional edge after banking at least a year of her life in rehabilitation or physical therapy.
Second fastest male or female through the Mont Sainte Anne speed trap 73.657KPH

But, those achievements pale by comparison to her racing skillset. Talent and luck can win you a race or two, but to win consecutive World Cup and World Championship victories, to dominate as she has, requires mechanical and physical preparation, focus, line-choices, back-up strategies, planning, and execution at a level that few, perhaps only a handful of athletes in the game today could comprehend, much less perform consistently. It would not be an exaggeration to state that Rachel Atherton's understanding of what it takes to be a successful professional downhill racer is unmatched by any male or female competitor in the game today. Claudio and Rob, if you can't come up with anything better to describe Rachel's performances, then give us your silence.

Another World Cup and another dominant performance from Rachel Atherton.
Rachel Atherton's performance at Mont Sainte Anne was other-worldly - the announcing, not so much.



Heckler's Rock

Out of control antics put an end to a tradition

Crankworx Whistler management has been wringing its hands over the shirtless fans who cheer and beer on the infamous Heckler's Rock drop. Behind the scenes, race photographers have been sternly asked to avoid shooting images of the shoulder-to-shoulder pack of boisterous fans who show up hours ahead of the start time to mock and roar at racers as they streak past during the Canadian Open DH. This year, hecklers crossed the line, allegedly throwing beer cans and rocks at chair-lift riders, mocking tourists, and disrobing female hecklers - riotous fun for some, but not the family entertainment that Crankworx promoters were striving for. The party ended with a trip to the hospital for a young man who was struck by a rock - reportedly, a relative to the First Nation Counsel who will determine if Whistler Blackcomb will gain access to tribal lands necessary to complete the corporation's master plan. Crankworx officials say they will re-route the downhill next year to eliminate the "Rock."

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"No shirts on the Rock." Hecklers cheering Stevie Smith at the Canadian Open DH.




MENTIONS: @trek, @Polygonbikes


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Member since Mar 23, 2011
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234 Comments
  • 305 85
 Right ffs, Rachel is an absolute machine on a bike, but really, she needs to get a grip, she is expected to win because of her unbelievable winning streak. Also in several videos she has said her brothers got her into riding, therefore without her brothers she probably wouldn't be in the position she is now, so Claudio and Warner are perfectly correct in making these statements. I can only put it down to a belief in a feminism which only exists to provoke women into believing that any help from men is wrong. So next time, you put such a rude comment down about two people who have helped the sport progress far more than you Rachel please be as polite as you would expect them to be and have a quiet word with them to ask they refrain from doing it again instead of obnoxiously making a huge deal over it on your instagram, everyone knows you are a good rider but get a grip. I think this also stems from a fear that many have of causing even mild discomfort to Atherton Racing others however are not afraid to raise issues we have with teams such as yours.
  • 41 24
 Well put.
  • 35 22
 Well said.
  • 53 33
 Spot on!!! Her ego is growing out of control
  • 26 20
 couldn't put that better myself! BOOM!
  • 47 24
 Agreed, and the guy who wrote the piece putting down Claudio and Warner needs to accept his comment is inexcusable; it sounds as though he's desperate to ingratiate himself with a pro rider. As many have said, that Atherton girl has in the past said how beneficial it has been for her to ride with brothers. Boo to the author!
  • 38 13
 Claudio and Rob say '' cause she ride with his brothers'' in the middle of many ''wow'' ''great Rachel'' ''Best athlete this year'' ''Keep on Rachel'' ''incredible run'' and other nice congratulations. I think is the radbullshit tv Quality to get nervous we all Rachel
  • 15 25
flag davidsimons (Sep 1, 2016 at 3:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Monkeyass: I also wonder about the ego of the guy who penned the piece, I've read some - not many, I couldn't bear to - of his previous writings, and ....well....
  • 62 36
 You think Rachel has done less for the sport than rob or Claudio? Mate that is just a stupid comment.

Maybe she did speak to them as well?

It would annoy me if I had to put up the same, I'm sure it would you too. Not obnoxious.
  • 29 12
 If its ok to write "penis-bearing siblings" can we get some balance and drop the odd "vagina" into the next article you write please Richard? Well written by the way marcus2065
  • 32 16
 Agreed, Rachel needs to calm the fuck down and stop pandering to this recent wave of fake outrage that seems to be sweeping through EVERYTHING...It's a fucking joke. They never said anything that she herself hasn't said in the past. Granted I've heard it a few times but I'm pretty sure there were zero fucks given by anyone until it hit social media
  • 23 13
 At any point, was Rachel compared to Gee on the basis of the sexes? The commentators simply said that her performance and outright dominance of the women's field might be due to having two siblings that were into the same sport (and earlier into it...) who are men, who also happen to be quite eminent, in a sport that is dominated by men by a wide margin (is it even accurate to say "sport that is dominated by men" as if sports are NOT already generally dominated by men?)

At no point was there sexism. No sexism here at all, but we just had to make it a sexist thing because you guys are all the TRUE sexists. (pointing towards all the SJWs and the white knights)
  • 65 21
 Am I alone in thinking Rachel actually owes Claudio an apology? She's basically made a twat or one of the most recognisable and loved personalities in DH for her own gratification. He did nothing wrong and I think a true role-model would behave better than she has in all this. Claudio's comments were only offensive to her skewed sensibilities because he said 'brother(s)'. If he'd said 'team-mate(s) for many years' there would have been zero issue (Personally, I'd love to see Claudio refer to Rachel only as Gee's teammate for the weekend).
She's also skirting an attitude which has proven the downfall of many an athlete, male or female if she truly believes nothing but her own hard work and initiative got her to where she is now. She had an abundance of advantages when beginning in DH, not least starting with two older siblings. Any of us would probably give a kidney to have training partners like hers. She'd do well to remember those who supported her and show some humility. Not for us, not for show, but for herself and her legacy. There's no denying she is the defining athlete of the current crop of DH talent but that could so easily be lost if she insists on poisoning the sport and herself by believing her issues are bigger and more important than the people who make it so great.
I think Claudio has handled he whole thing exceptionally well. The question is, will Rachel display the kind of grace befitting a true Champion, or will she continue to wallow in deluded self-pity?
  • 17 41
flag theminsta (Sep 1, 2016 at 6:00) (Below Threshold)
 I really like Rachel and view her as a God-like athlete, and I really hope that Rachel pushes back against the sexist rhetoric she's created and keeps her legacy what it is.... Legendary.
  • 16 10
 @theminsta: Bullshit, he wasn't being sexist
  • 15 7
 @davidsimons: why are ppl down voting this? Author is more out of line than Rach for this bs hit piece.
  • 3 5
 @theminsta: what's sjw? And I'm stealing the white knight comment lol
  • 14 18
flag dtm1 (Sep 1, 2016 at 6:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Deuce-DeuceAndAHalf: Rachel does owe him an apology, but that's her decision.

This author on the other hand.

Pinkbike should force him to apologize and retract this inflammatory nonsense. He knows what he was doing, this is immature and a harsh accusation in today's pc climate against a guy who was just doing his job and was CORRECT!
  • 10 5
 Well put. Sums up exactly how I feel about it. On another note its not like Rob Warner is known for being particularly eloquent in his speech. What he said is simply the truth, what other female rider on the circuit regularly rides with her brothers in training... Tahnee Seagrave? Coincidence? Males consistently put down times significantly ahead of females. It's no doubt these female athletes that get considerable training time with top males will race better, and there's nothing offensive about it.
  • 44 6
 I'm loving how were ignoring that the 2 fastest people (who happen to be men) through the speed trap ended in 43rd and 53rd... Oh and they also beat Rachel down the hill by over 20 seconds. Speed trap is a pretty laughable way to claim you can "ride like them men" or however you would like to say that you are a very talented racer.
  • 11 20
flag ddd (Sep 1, 2016 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 @davidsimons: "that Atherton girl" ...you're a joke.
  • 18 8
 @ddd: And you're a social justice warrior, here to signal your virtue! Good stuff. We now know that you are a paragon of virtue and equality! Please proceed to passive-aggressively telling anyone who says anything you don't like to shut up!
  • 9 6
 @theminsta: exactly, it's recreational outrage by bored sad people that have no life. It's all pointless and should be ignored. The announcing is top notch and any rational person that heard it knows it wasn't the least bit negative or disrespectful.
  • 20 11
 So essentially you're saying she owes it all to her brothers. What a load of BS. While they may have gotten her into racing and help her train at a high level, it does take a considerable amount of work to dominate like Rachel does, and I think that's the part that she doesn't get credit for and goes too easily dismissed. I'm sure all the top women riders train with men, whether they're related to them or not, but so far only Rachel has been able to take it to a whole new level.
  • 10 8
 No one said that she owes it all to her brothers. Stop being silly. She puts more hours into training and honing her skills than a teenage girl does on her bed.
  • 7 7
 @theminsta: Yes, they are. If people are going to put out their opinions, at least have the balls to own them instead of backpedaling.
  • 20 26
flag Bird-Man FL (Sep 1, 2016 at 8:52) (Below Threshold)
 you all are idiots.....if you believe that Claudio and rob are right with what they have said......do they say the same about tracey Hannah, casey brown, and the other girls who have brothers or fathers who have introduced them to MTB....how about gee because of dan and the bearcloughs, etc etc etc....its fucking demeaning and you are pricks for not seeing it!!!! People are responsible for their own path and they get the accolades or the negitives for such choices, but to attribute any of her success to her brothers is bollocks....next you are going to give Gwinn his due because he was given his talents from GOD, or brycland because of steve peat............misogynistic man children!!!!
  • 16 6
 Thing is I bet most of the women in DH had/have male-centric riding groups, some of them also with world-class male riders, yet Rachel is absolutely destroying these women. She states "yes, I ride a lot with my brothers" and acknowledges the benefit. I think she's just finally fed up with that *always* being the "obvious" and sole reason for her success.

Also, she's usually pretty quiet and keeps her frustration to herself, but if you absolutely dominate your sport as she does, I think you're entitled to a pulpit from which to preach...
  • 15 5
 @theminsta: maybe Gee and Dan are so fast cause they ride with Rach..
  • 6 6
 @theminsta: I am? Do I get a badge? Or only limp replies from morally vacant, benighted, butthurt bros?
  • 18 1
 Whatever she's fucking fast, the real discussion needs to be on the asshats who were loser wasted on heckler rock causing shit. No place for that BS
  • 25 5
 @Deuce-DeuceAndAHalf: There is a difference between recognizing the advantages/help/etc. that have gotten you to where you are and someone else constantly thinking you need reminding. Which one do you think Claudio's comment felt like to her? You're all a bunch of hypocrites thinking you should be able to chastise her about sticking up for herself.

Re-read what she says about not just her, but all women being recognized as athletes in their own right. Then think about despite being on an entirely different level, she always treats her competitors with grace and acts like a true professional (other than taking shitty chops at Gwin, which bugs me a little, but that's a different issue.) And f*ck this that everyone here thinks they need to shame her.

f*ck you, @RichardCunningham, for thinking that you need to shame Claudio and Rob. Claudio already apologized, a fact perniciously missing from your article. And even though I find no fault in Rachel for being upset, she needs to accept the apology.
  • 18 6
 oh sweet an internet conversation on gender relations consisting solely of sexually frusturated prepubescent boys
  • 8 5
 @thedeathstar: I'm not chastising her behaviour for speaking up. If she felt the comments were unfair absolutely she should say something. I just don't agree with how she did it, the timing of it, or her refusal to accept a very sincere apology and an offer to represent the values she claims to champion. I don't think she's thought this one through. I understand if she's sick of hearing how her brothers are a major reason she's so fast but to hang Claudio out to dry for having an opinion, which he's shared many times before without incident (and is supported by fact) is low. Persisting the animosity is childish.

She had an opportunity to be a real leader in this debate, instead of siding with the keyboard warriors and armchair feninists on Quora to point out the 'injustice of it all'. She could have accepted the offer to do the course preview, or proposed something which could show this is not a hugely divisive issue but one which just needs a bit mutual consideration to sort out.

Bottom line in my eyes: Claudio saw how he could have offended her and he acted.
Rachel has yet to be so gracious.
  • 1 0
 @thedeathstar: Where and when did she take chops at gwin?
  • 3 5
 @jyemen: From a logical standpoint, that is less reasonable than Rach being fast because of Gee and Dan.

But who cares about rationality in this day and age of... no actually, less intelligent people have always been everywhere. They just have a platform to spew their idiocy now, under the wings of "social justice".

Basically useless banter for 1st world citizens so that they don't have to deal with real sexism in the world today... hint: it's not in 1st world countries
  • 7 7
 I agree.

Imagine they were talking about Gee Atherton and asked "Well why is he so good?" And Warner or Claudio replied "because he had an older brother who inspired him and rode with him from a young age".

Would Gee be complaining ?

Or would Tracy Hannah be complaining if the same was said about her and her brother Mik?

It's simply a fact , having an older sibling who is fast and brings you on is probably the biggest advantage you can have as a rider . It doesn't mean you don't have to do anything - but it's a great setup to have . They were talking about her influences - it was in no way to detract from her effort and achievements.

It's a bad month for this column in my opinion .
  • 1 1
 @Bird-Man: don't label me!
  • 6 3
 bad month: pinkbike jumping in the politically correct bandwagon bashing Claudio for a statement that is completely true and Rachel herself has said on interviews.

I don't know if the writer of this article put it on purpose to increase the number of comments, but is f*cking ridiculous, it should be
bad month: Rachel being a snowflake and getting triggered by a simple comment
  • 2 6
flag mattsavage (Sep 1, 2016 at 15:30) (Below Threshold)
 Rachel is boring to watch and a cheater... No one likes a sport that is dominated by one individual. Women's DH is exciting, I'm far more on the edge of my seat watching them than the men. But as soon as she comes on track, may as well turn it off. She has to crash to lose, cause even when she cuts the course they still let her win.
  • 6 1
 You do realize they say it every race. I am sure words have been said before this. It's not out of line for her to say something.
  • 1 0
 Agreed.
  • 6 0
 Did anyone else have no idea what they were walking into when they clicked on this link on pinkbike this nice quiet evening. I've always thought the mtb community was pretty cool headed and a tight knit family. Who needs this inflated dramaaa?! Just say sorry and go ride some bikes!! Maybe I'm ignorant but I can't imagine Claudio and Rob did this on purpose.
  • 2 1
 come on @RichardCunningham, money where your mouth is! A little more justification on your commentary.
  • 1 0
 Feminism still exists because in our society women are still not threaten equally to men. A good example is that even in West-Europe (at this moment still) at the same work place, women will get paid less than their male colleagues in the same function. Yes we have come a long way in the past decades, but I will have to agree with feminists that there are still some points in our society that are outdated and should be changed (a good example being the lower wages for the same work).
  • 3 0
 @Mattin:

Well I cannot speak for your country but if your espousing the whole women make 77 cents on every dollar men make that has been well refuted by many many sources. If you take the raw numbers, your correct they do, but when you correct the statistics based on job title/profession there is no disparity(IE if you actually learn how to make accurate statistics).

www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=www.forbes.com/sites/karinagness/2016/04/12/dont-buy-into-the-gender-pay-gap-myth

time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism

dailycaller.com/2016/04/12/equal-pay-day-revisited-why-the-gender-pay-gap-is-still-a-myth
  • 99 3
 wait... Claudio and Rob are getting shamed for sexist commentary? I understand Rachel being pissed off when her achievements are downplayed but did you guys listen to the retards who do the crankworx dh commentary?! If you want to shame sexism in DH commentary that's where you got to f*in start...
  • 4 1
 Funny if you the @ambatt stuff
  • 2 0
 Wasn't there a comment about the female commentator's shoes?
  • 34 51
flag AndyBillRobertz (Sep 1, 2016 at 2:54) (Below Threshold)
 The whole thing wouldn't have been so bad if she'd just made a small and witty comment rather than doing the typical feminist thing and turning a small situation into a big blown out, essay written rant.
  • 5 1
 *if you remember
  • 8 28
flag RedBurn (Sep 1, 2016 at 4:02) (Below Threshold)
 the question is.. could the speedtrap have failed and miscalculated rachel's speed
  • 26 34
flag Murph86 (Sep 1, 2016 at 4:39) (Below Threshold)
 Anyone that has a problem with Claudio or Warner has a problem with me. Calm your tits Athertons
  • 28 6
 Let's all just settle down. This is clearly a primer for Trek's new DH prototype we've been seeing, the Session SS, or Session SafeSpace.
  • 3 7
flag Murph86 (Sep 1, 2016 at 5:11) (Below Threshold)
 @MTBrent: Richard Cunningham started it
  • 3 0
 @zede gets it...
  • 1 1
 @Murph86: RC didn't do shit.
  • 104 17
 Its almost impossible to not offend someone in this highly sensitive politically correct age.
  • 137 6
 How dare you!
  • 46 5
 You called a minority group "highly sensitive" and implied they were politically motivated!

I don't have any connection to them or their plight and suffering but as a third wave cyclist who identifies as a Stan's No-tubes fluid, brand fluid bicycle tyre...
I'M TRIGGERED.
  • 10 1
 @SASchofield52: had a genuine lol, as I still run tubes. How insensitive of me.
  • 86 25
 Is this a reference to heckler's rock or the commentary?

The behaviour on the rock was nothing short of abusive assault - ripping shirts off women? Throwing rocks at people? FFS that behaviour is totally unacceptable, the persecutors should be named, shamed and prosecuted for assault. Have you got a mother/sister/wife/daughter? Let me rip her shirt off and see if that's politically correct. Having a laugh is all well and good but treating other people like pieces of sh*t to get a quick laugh is way, way too far.

As for the commentary, it's about time we stopped dismissing the successes of women as by-products of male influence, and that's exactly what this is. Say what you want about it (and I love Claudio and Rob!) but their comments clearly come from a place of patriarchal misogyny. Rachel is the most professional, committed athlete out there, and she deserves to be recognised for it. Not only that, but she's achieved all this in what remains a very male-dominated sport, which only makes her accomplishments more impressive.

I'm not having a go, we do live in an age where political correctness has gone mad. But, this is not political correctness. This people is behaving like douchebags, and professional commentators degrading women. It's about time we stopped pretending that behaving like this is OK, it's about time we stopped defending their actions and it's about time we call them out on it. If we don't, things will never change. Down vote me into oblivion but it won't change this being right.

BTW, the 1800s called, they want their attitude to other people's personal safety back, and the 1940s are on the other line, they want their attitude to women back.
  • 12 3
 @blahblahbikes: very well said pal
  • 15 0
 @BlahBlahBikes I think he was referring to Rachel Atherton's argument. I'd like to think noone on this site would think ripping a girl's shirt off is acceptable behaviour.

As you said the actions of that group of ruffians should be condemned. Were they drunk? Yes but that doesn't excuse their behaviour. Noone should ever be treated like they were and noone goes to an event to have beer and rocks thrown at them either.
  • 11 0
 @blahblahbikes: commentary only. The whole hecklers rock situation isn't mountain biking news, its disgraceful behaviour regardless of the event.
  • 9 6
 seriously, all these comments by all the butthurt bros about how offended they are by Rachel's comments, but none of them seem capable of a bit of self reflection
  • 4 3
 @blahblahbikes: thank you.
  • 15 9
 @blahblahbikes: Agreed.

Yes Rachel could have maybe been less bombastic with her response, but its very hard to put yourself in her shoes so to speak, and know what its like to have this behaviour in every walk of life - this was likely the thing that made her lose her tolerance.

I think Claudio and Rob meant no harm/malice or are even necessarily remotely sexist, but institutionalised sexism comes from a place of lazy default language, behaviours and attitudes, a product of a history of patriarchy, that all need addressing.

I am a feminist (Men and women should be treated with EQUALITY, neither superior) but I am sure I am guilty of institutionalised sexism now and again, because I grew up surrounded by male-centric language during my formative years (TV, Films, the pub etc).

However, I am not a world-stage commentator, so have no role model status or international influence. If I did I would be sure to choose my language carefully, to do justice to athletes regardless of gender.

Imagine a young girl growing up wanting to get into the sport, seeing Rachel and getting motivated, and then hearing that her success is down to her brothers!? Not a great message. Theres no doubt they have all influenced each other, and helped each other, but to attribute her success to only that one element does total injustice to her absolute commitment, and complete dominance in the sport.

Claudio and Rob regularly refer to Minnaar as 'the greatest DH'er of all time', (He's my fav rider personally) but thats just not right. Its Rachel - ~22 or more WC wins, to Gregs ~18. No malice meant I'm sure, but its a product of a patriarchal society. If people think the patriarchy is nonsense, it shows they don't know what it means.

The hecklers rock thing, thats utterly abhorrent.
  • 15 3
 Facepalm. Also, they refer to Minnar as GOAT due to the fact that the depth of talent in the men's field is greater and has always been more closely challenged. It's not a 'product of' anything other than common sense, historical results, and grade school mathematics. What a crazy concept. Making it out to be the product of a culture is absurdly obtuse as it may resonate in other aspects of the sport but certainly not in calling someone the greatest due to the actual challenges and opposition one faces. Had Rachel accumulated those wins against ACC, Jonier, Mosley, etc, then there would be an apt comparison. As it stands, the depth of talent isn't comparable.
  • 10 2
 @OrangeGoblin:

Everyday sexism sucks, and as you say is the result of lazy default language, often not with any malice intended but it there all the same. Sadly it often takes it being pointed out before most (male) people ever notice.

How many times have you heard people out riding say something like " I'm riding like a girl " to imply that they are slow, bad or generally rubbish?
  • 5 2
 @blahblahbikes: awesome. well said.
great writing.
  • 4 1
 @OrangeGoblin: Call me sexist if you must, but the greatest DH'er of all time should be the fastest of the fastest. Now, the most dominant DH'er of all time - yes, Rachel.
  • 3 2
 3000% triggered
  • 4 2
 I'd love it if we could just stop using some high fly terms for "sexist" behavior and picturing people as monsters because that consequently transcends us to some higher moral grounds. Yes that was one time too much from Rob and Claudio and yes we are talking about it because this time they got caught. By Rachel who managed to defend herself and owned them big time. So I do not think men have anything better to say about it. When I hear words like Patriarchy from a man Involountarily roll my eyes up and have a hallucination of a guy with a guitar who never got laid and now compensates in a more or less conscious pussy talk - remember that's like rape, sorry.

As to Hecklers Rock @OzMike - I do not agree that it is an issue separate from MTB because it is deeply rooted in gravity part of MTB. Win or loose we're on the booze - do I need to say anything else? The constantly revived image of the one of few sports ever where a "true" athlete wins and then goes party hard. Masters, Warner, Peat, Gracia, Palmer, Kovarik, Rennie - all loved in a particular way for combining racing with drinking. Chainsaws and partying by the course tape. Yea other sports have it too, what happened this year at TDF and even today at Vuelta is insane but I'd say gravity MTB rules in that.
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns: and how about this advert for the bike park and for whistler village life?............

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOQ8Z-awfis

drunken fighting in the village,speeding on the sea to die highway, drunken shenannigens pullin' the fire alarm...

they market this shit to people and then are suprised when douchebags feel entitiled to act this way in the village or park?
  • 4 0
 @atrokz: I also submit that GM is the GOAT because of the way he carries himself. No attitude, no drama, and never in any pissing contests. As comfortable speaking eloquently at a formal event as he is behaving like a schoolboy with the Syndicate bros. Even in a fairly laid back sport he stands out.
  • 2 1
 @stacykohut: yea I thought it was weird right after I saw it few months ago. But as I wrote somewhere below I think everyone saw this coming but cheered along to not come out... Too serious? Because in order to keep DH spirit alive we need a bit of... Belch? Because what would the fans say if Danny Hart got on the Hot Seat on the World Champs and started drinking a balanced carb/protein shake in a weird bottle with big opening at the top to easy mixing? Defo worse than helmet cam from Lenzerheide where Peaty stops for a beer.

Look I'm not against Peaty and Stella instead of Peaty and 20 aminaocids in a brown colored beverage. But we can't have one without the other. Champs show off drinkin, fan pigs wreck havoc. The best thing we can have now is a commercial with Cedric saying: "drink responsibly". That would be the fkng end Big Grin
  • 3 1
 @blahblahbikes: I agree with you on the rock part, but don't you think that riding with people faster than you makes you faster? What Claudio stated is completely true, he isn't being misoginist.
  • 55 14
 Always the one person who ruins the fun for everyone else. *cough cough* Rachel *cough cough*
I'm kidding, hecklers rock always looks so lit, sucks some people ruined it.
  • 1 0
 Exactly - some people ruined it. If one of your friends starts being an idiot, rein him in.
  • 36 0
 Big brands dropping prices on all the overstock, hey? I have to wonder how much of this is due to ever changing standards (from boost and bottom brackets) making customers wary of taking the plunge on a big purchase for fear that the "next big thing" is just around the corner!

I know that I, for one, definitely did. Not buying another bike until all the waves of innovation have settled and some consensus between major manufacturers is reached.
  • 19 4
 Still choked that 20mm axles (for all but DH) were somehow phased out years back in favor of a rather nonsensical 15mm
  • 5 1
 F*ck it, great news for me man. Today's bikes are damn good and the next big thing may be better, but it won't make today's bikes any worse. The n+1 rule struck and I'm about to head out on my first ever proper dh bike, courtesy of a phaaaaaaaat disoc*nt! At last I'll stop breaking bits on my poor 160mm bike!
  • 1 0
 @blahblahbikes: Instead, you'll get to start breaking bits on your DH bike! Haha. Been riding DH for a while now, and haven't found a bike yet (160mm or 200+mm) that doesn't need half its parts replaced after a week of beatdowns in the bike park Wink
  • 1 0
 I think it's good for smarter people who take a look at second hand bikes. A friend of mine just got a 2014 29er Intense Carbine with DVO front and rear, carbon Next cranks, full 1x XT, FatBar carbon, Reverb, decent wheelset and so on. All you could put in a custom build and with minimal signs of wear for 2300€
  • 1 0
 @blahblahbikes: Totally agree...the bike you buy will stick kick ass either way. Part of my concern, however, is when you want to keep a $8000K for several years and worry about the parts being phased out and availability becoming scarce because the standards have shifted. Resale values are always something to think about as well. I know my 26" v10 is worth distinctly less now because of the advent of 27.5.

Progress is good...no denying. But just like back in the 2004-ish era it feels like we're in a period of extreme changes and I'm waiting to see what comes out on top before I re-invest in my rig for the next 5-10 years.
  • 32 0
 Goodbye to a tradition thanks to a few mindless morons
  • 16 1
 Not mindless morons, just drunk Australians. I'm in Bali at the moment, and I'm really hoping that the Australians I'm seeing here aren't representative of Australians in general. Because it's just like 90% douche bros everywhere. So if you put these idiots on the rock, I bet they would throw bottles and so on
  • 4 6
 @zede: but your are australian too
  • 6 0
 @zede: haha no of course not but anywhere there is partying is where you'll find our craziest.
  • 15 0
 @Fribour: contrary to popular belief, Austria is not the same as Australia
  • 1 0
 @zede: It's not just you who thinks Aussies ruin Bali www.youtube.com/watch?v=96NrIz_khQM
  • 1 0
 @zede: "bali bogans" aren't representative of australians in general
  • 38 17
 Actually, another point, feminism demands equal rights for men and women, so they are treated equally. This situation highlights a flaw, not only was this comment not intentionally (or actually) derogatory. Had this been brought up by two male siblings, for instance Ed and Wyn Masters, Ed only goes fast because he trains with Wyn, they would have just had a laugh, even if one did take offence no one would do anything about it, because theyre men, so why do you deserve a special treatment? Yet for some unknown reason, Rachel decides to take offence, this is not something we should support as she is the one out of order, no one read this as a slanderous comment other than Rachel, making her the only person making gender stereotypes. Unfortunately I don't believe she will reply to this comment as she believes she has a right to have her opinion, be it wrong or right, and get the "issue" fixed yet when a lowly peasant of mountain biking like myself brings up something she couldn't give a toss hence the larger issue in mountain biking, started by the Athertons, the heirachy, you believe you are better than all other normal bikers, with no idea of their hardships in life You're to busy wining childishly about how someone said something mean to you. This isn't trolling, it's life. Get a grip
  • 19 4
 I think its because this isnt the first time this has been said buddy. I think she is just fed up of being compared to them / using them as an excuse why she is so fast. There is no denying her results this year or to date come to think of it, I believe she just wanted to let people know that it was more than just riding with Dan & Gee as to why she is so fast in the hope that maybe, just maybe the guys will give her props for her training
  • 6 2
 So you don't think she ha a right to her opinion? Read again what you wrote.

The masters boys lol! I hear heaps of commentary about hope they're so fast and winning everything due to riding together...... Ha ha did you just smoke a twenty papery?? I sure hope so
  • 4 2
 @sewer-rat: But this whole thing about training hard is a non-starter. All of the pro's train like crazy. No one is saying Rachel doesn't work her butt off. Thing is, so do all the other gals and guys. At this high level of racing, just like the highest level of any other sport, you have to be looking for that certain special something that can give you an advantage, because you won't out-train your competitors. That certain special something in Rachel's case is very likely the fact that she spends quite a lot of time chasing her brother, who is also one of the fastest racers in the world. Saying that she's fast only because she trains extremely hard would be imply that the other gals aren't training as hard, which simply isn't true.
  • 2 0
 @tsheep: BOOM. +1000.

"Just like at the highest level in any other sport...you won't out-train your competitors." And therein lies the truth.

One thing she may have access to, which her competitors may not, is BETTER training thanks to the unique structure of Atherton Racing. Not good or bad, just an observation.
  • 28 6
 Maybe riding with rach was the key to Gees success!
  • 6 0
 If it was a female dominated sport, we'd just nod.
  • 6 0
 gotta say the team is all rach's now. the rest just seem to be riding her coat tails. she has done the most, over and over again.
  • 4 2
 Raching is carrying the shit out of Gee, but nobody would say that Gee is so fast because Rach, do you know why? is it because we are all misogynist pigs? is it because women are opressed? is it because is a male dominated sport? is it because we live in a patrarchy? is it because we can't conceive a woman being better than a man? the answer is no, because Gee is fastest than Rach and you can't argue against the clock.
  • 16 2
 the arthetons are legends of the sport, no question about it...simply legends! but, there is no doubt that ride with faster riders can help you, a lot, I'm an exemple, I learn a lot from follow faster riders than me, claudio just said that it could help her.."Well, we always say she rides with her brother, who’s one of the leading men in the field, so that certainly helps." what claudio said it's right, but I'm sure she doesn't train always with them, but if she rides with her brother it can help....why the h*ll are you people accusing rob and claudio of sh*t they didn't mean?
  • 4 6
 because rob and claudio are lazy journalists and tv commentators. they have nothing better to do than grab at low hanging fruit and beat it to death. they talk just to hear themselves talk, and are more interested in furthering their careers, rather than report on the insane action on the track. the racers are the stars, the real attraction, not two half wits in the booth.
  • 2 0
 @stacykohut: Dude, you obviously haven't heard Rob in his former glory when he used to commentate for Freecaster. Now he's on Redbull he's gone all 'professional' and has had to tone it all down to a level that is acceptable for mainstream.
  • 1 3
 @krissboo: you call being half ripped and going out to pee every 10 minutes someones glory days?
  • 3 0
 @stacykohut: It's not like this is a major network were watching this on, or even a sleazy cable channel. It's crappy video quality on a internet site. It's not like these guys are making money doing this. Where lucky we get anyone to do this. If DH becomes a more mainstream sport and we get real media coverage, then they can get announcers who do this for a living and have time to prepare for the event.
  • 1 2
 you honestly think the announcers are doing this for free?
they are paid son, they are paid.


their quality just makes them seem like they are volunteers.
  • 1 0
 @stacykohut: I never said they are doing it for free...I said they have had to reel in their piss breaks and piss takes. And yes, I do think those were his glory days, the commentary was so much better on Freecaster. And I also just realised you were replying to MTBRMann, but whatever.
  • 16 5
 When I posted this there were about 30 replies of presumably males all tooting Claudio's horn and saying Rachel was wrong to react the way she reacted. I'm glad to see that by now some other opinions have been expressed.

Instead of expressing a 31st opinion on the topic (that Claudio was wrong for a few reasons), I preferred to address another topic, which is that maybe a group of pure males is not the right circle to decide how a woman should feel and what is sexist and what not. We are not the experts.

Just the same a group of only male politicians should not decide on female's birth control.

Interestingly, and is was just shown again in the answers my post received, is that we males just want to defend ourselves by barking something (not well thought through) back instead of reflecting on ourself. And buhu, sexism against men. Yeah right, poor us.

Oh well.
  • 7 0
 well written; i think the comment in this thread from jmrbauer (2 hours ago) expresses a similar sentiment: "oh sweet an internet conversation on gender relations consisting solely of sexually frusturated prepubescent boys"
  • 2 0
 Well said mtb-journal!
  • 17 4
 C'm on look to the bright side, maybe next year there will be a Heckler's Canyon!
  • 21 0
 Filled with more bro-dude retards trying to be the "raddest brah" on the hill.
  • 28 0
 Then hopefully they can fill it with cement during the race. The rock just turned into a spot for the biggest ausi douchebags in whistler, which is saying a lot. Once the fence went up it was a sign of the disrespect from that crowd. you don't need fences at WC races, just the douche-bro rock.

And since there's definitely some of those douche-bros reading PB between laps of clogging up the trails and annoying everyone in sushi village: You guys suck.
  • 5 0
 @atrokz: you tell em man.

double truth ruth.
  • 1 1
 Thats the problem the people will be there in a new location. If you want thousands of spectators at your event you are going to get a certain percentage who are out of control. If you want it somewhat contained they will have to hire security guards to patrol the course which may or may not help.
  • 8 1
 @atrokz: even though I haven't been there, I find it hard to believe that this year's event has taken it to a whole another level, wasn't it already messed up last year but since they haven't crossed the threshold of people getting hurt, we were all FK YEAAA!!!

Last year in Val Di Sole I saw a few widely applauded, stoke generating DH circuit clowns trying to tip the Toi Toi toilet with a girl inside, which resulted with the door being pushed in instead. Right beside me an old Italian man was sitting and staring at it with disbelief, it was the first time in my life that I have seen the genuine "the world is coming to the end" face expression. But to contrast that a renowned photographer who got drunk by a one fkng piss of a beer was looking at it laughing like a caughing pig and taking pics (which never made it anywhere ofc)

I mean... Fk Brahs, Bros, Braws, really... When I hear a dude saying that Gwin never parties, I want to strangle him with a plus tyre...
  • 12 3
 @marcus2065 you are correct. I never hear any of the young male riders that have been team mates of Sam Hill getting their noses out of joint when commentators mention how he has helped them become better faster riders. The simple fact is if you ride with better/faster riders you will most likely become a better faster rider. I would hazard a guess that without having her 2 brothers to chase she would probably not be as fast as she is. As for all the jokers and your idea of an open field I suggest you better study the finish times and compare the men and women's before you get too carried away. Yes I know she would smash me down any hill, and probably up too.
  • 5 1
 I wonder if every guy whose ever ridden with Hill gets upset every time a commentator mentions the fact
  • 8 4
 mate this is exactly the sort of thing she's pissed off about! Sure her brothers probably got her into riding when she was a kid, but her success has been down to HER hard work, not just tagging along with the boys! The simple fact of the matter is, hard bloody work makes you a better rider! Otherwise Tracey Hannah and Manon Carpenter, who have racer boys in their family wouldn't be 10 seconds or more behind!!
  • 2 0
 @BorisBC35: some advise to Tracey and Manon, make your borthers train harder.
  • 10 0
 Ah well, let's hope the totally gnarly and rad fuckwits who have ruined a tradition were all super stoked with themselves for being so awesome and cool. Nice work you fucknuggets.
  • 12 4
 At any point, was Rachel compared to Gee or any other male rider on the basis of the sexes?

The commentators simply said that her performance and outright dominance of the women's field might be due to having two siblings that were into the same sport (and earlier into it...) who are men, who also happen to be quite eminent, in a sport that is dominated by men by a wide margin (is it even accurate to say "sport that is dominated by men" as if sports are NOT already generally dominated by men?)

At no point was there sexism. No sexism here at all, but we just had to make it a sexist thing because you guys are all the TRUE sexists. (pointing towards all the SJWs and the white knights)
  • 2 0
 synchronysed swimming is a female dominated sport
  • 12 1
 Dipshits are all lickin the rock I bet.
  • 6 0
 Wouldn't wanna chew it.
  • 7 0
 "This year, hecklers crossed the line, allegedly throwing beer cans and rocks at chair-lift riders, mocking tourists, and disrobing female hecklers" ...*sighs* great way to make the mtb community look like a bunch of shitbags.
  • 1 0
 Yeah it is, especially as the a majority of the people that cause the problem aren't mountain bikers. As someone who saw it first hand this year and last, Its easy to tell who are the real mountain bikers that go to hecklers to have a couple of beers, watch some great racing and heckle the riders, and those that don't have a clue about MTB , they just go up for the party.
  • 8 2
 Rachel is so dominant. It's not the training regimen, it's not physical blah blah, not mental fortitude, it's not having an incredible family... it's all of those. Having incredible brothers is certainly a rare gift, but it's the other parts of Rachel that make incredible brothers so valuable. I don't feel like talking about Dan and Gee are any slight against Rachel; she's the one dominating the field.
  • 8 2
 they weren't saying Rachel is good because she is a woman who rides with men, they're saying she's fast because she rides with people faster than her. I get faster when I ride with people faster than me as well, that's a large part of being faster. That's pretty much how racing works.
  • 10 0
 And no mention of Zarja? That's a pretty big deal.
  • 9 3
 Bring back Missy Giove, Leigh Donovan, Anne Caroline Chausen, Marla Streb, Tracey Moseley etc...and then we will see how well Rachel does in the races.....her skills along with timing in life may be the keys to this current success
  • 4 1
 With the exception of maybe Anne Caroline or Tracey on her best day, Rachel on her best day smokes those women on their best day. Nothing against any of those women, legends in their own time and place. However, Rachel dominates her field in ways very few do.
  • 2 0
 Although on an unrelated note how Amazing would it be if yeti came back with a downhill team with Ritchie rude and Cody Kelly managed by missy giove
  • 8 0
 They're going to reroute the track to eliminate heckling from an area? Aren't the hecklers just going to pick another spot?
  • 6 0
 Yes. The rock isn't the problem. The behavior is. However, by eliminating the rock, they will force the existing mob behavior to disperse, which may help for a year while the hecklers select another location. I suppose one of the attractions of "The Rock" was the chairlift being so close overhead, providing an audience for the drunken abuse of the bro-dudes below. And an additional, unsuspecting target of helpless victims. It's hard to hold individuals in a mob accountable for their actions, but I wish they could find some video to arrest a few pukes who hurled items or assaulted the girls.
  • 6 0
 @herzalot the chairlift WAS the captive audience the hecklers needed to keep going further and further with their douchebag actions. it definately fuelled the fire.

i'd say over 75 percent of the people on the rock this year were temporary foreign workers, and not canadians.

the aussie invasion wasn't just on the race track.
  • 2 0
 in my previous years hecklers rock was awesome spectacle from the chairlift. This year was a little different. People where enjoying themselves but at some point it came to hurling objects at the chairlift riders. My friend had to dodge a beer can, which then almost hit me. We laughed it off but if they were to hit a kid, that would be a shame. It was way more rowdy than I have ever witnessed. Sad that tradition will be gone. It was awesome watching the riders go down that section of course on the chairlift.
  • 1 0
 @stacykohut: I agree that over 75 percent were probably temporary workers, and yes, a lot of them were
Aussies. But that is true of any large group of people in Whistler.
Its non mountain bikers that are the problem at hecklers. It's the groups of bro's that are killing time partying between winters that head up to hackers rock because they heard it was a wild party. There are plenty of people, from all over the world (Aus included), that would head to the rock because they wanted to see the worlds best, have a few drinks and heckle the riders in the spirit of a good time. But Heckler's became to appealing to people that aren't involved in mountain biking and that was its downfall.
  • 10 2
 Only reason Rachel is dominating is because Tracey Mosely went full enduro!! Wink
  • 5 0
 Sarcasm guys!!
  • 11 4
 How about a good month for Scott bikes with their riders taking gold in Rio?
  • 4 0
 true that... though with the form he's on, Nino coulda won the Olympics on a unicycle Razz
  • 1 0
 scott makes bmx bikes?
  • 4 0
 Does anyone find it interesting that Lindsey Vonn is equally as dominant as Rachel? Lindsey is petitioning FIS to compete with men. Maybe Rachel should do the same thing. But I digress. This is truly an issue of emotional intelligence. It is OK for Rachel to get angry. It is also OK for Claudio to defend himself. I am 100% sure he meant NO disrespect. Unfortunately a posting on social media has blown this out of proportion. If Rachel would be willing to sit down with Claudio for a few minutes and talk this issue through, I'm sure they could get past it, in a respectful manner.
  • 3 0
 The further away we get from being kids on bikes, the more stuff like this somehow becomes important and chips away at the fun of just gett'n out and riding. Only a few of us are in it to win it. The majority of us just want to ride cuz is PhuckN fun!
  • 4 1
 Just ask anyone who travels a lot overseas: There's no one worse than British and Aussie tourists... They're always wasted, making mess, trying to fight and brawl locals, pissing everywhere, groping local chicks, they always trash everything they touch. No wonder the people organizing the event are pissed..
  • 4 1
 pinkbike readers crack me up. I'm reminded of the fatass drunk at the bar criticizing top (american) football players for "not doing it right" while he dribbles beer down the front of his shirt.

opinions are like a*sholes. everyone's got one and they all stink.
  • 9 7
 Pinkbike editor in chief: this is irresponsible journalism, fire the author. The fallout this garbage could create could easily cost this announcer his job. "We can't have someone announcing / managing Scott / etc who is perceived sexist and disrespectful to women."
  • 4 8
flag ddd (Sep 1, 2016 at 7:43) (Below Threshold)
 go to bed.
  • 4 2
 Rachel has significantly raised the bar for female racers, pushing them to get faster. She has narrowed the gender gap and places on men's result which is not done easily. There is more room for improvement for all racers same goes for media and announcers too. So grossed out by the single mindedness in comments of this post. No wonder why women want nothing to do with the sport. Thank you Richard Cunningham.
  • 2 0
 Maybe none of this would've happened if RedBull didn't castrate Rob's balls in commentary! When he was on Freecaster he was really SO much more Exciting to listen to. Now, it's about as exciting as a rowdy golf game!
  • 6 1
 And Casey Brown is getting awesome from hanging with the trek lads.
  • 4 0
 No mention of Connor Fields, Mariana Pajon, Nino Schurter, or Jenny Rissveds? I think they had a pretty good month.
  • 1 0
 I just wonder what Claudio is meant to say when Rob puts him on the spot with that question. He's got to look for a factor that makes Rachel stand out and then explain it in a language that, although proficient in, is not his mother tongue (he struggles to get his points across in a fluid dialogue quite frequently... which is fine because that can be difficult enough sometimes in your own language) and do it within a couple of seconds without any warning (although i guess you can maybe argue that its come up enough times that he should have an answer fairly well sorted by now).

Sure she puts the effort in, quite possibly more so than any of the other riders, and is incredibly talented when it comes to bike control but it's hard to use those things as the entire justification for her dominance when she's so far ahead of the rest of riders, who I'm sure also put a hell of a lot of effort into their training/riding.

At the end of the day, none of us really know these people. Claudio really could be a sexist knobhead. Rachel could have instantly regretted posting the comment in the heat of the moment. The whole thing seems to have been blown way out of proportion either way.
  • 3 2
 Until we see an apology from Rachel to Claudio & Rob for her childish comments, there's no sign she regretted anything. She's just acting like a spoilt brat with no consequences for her behaviour. Claudio said, "Well she races with her brother, one of the leading men in the field, so that certainly helps." This is literally a verifiable FACT that could be checked in two simple questions to Rachel. Or is she going to say that riding with her bros DOESN'T help lol? No. His comment was 100% spot on - it "CERTAINLY HELPS" lol. Claudio & Rob deserve an apology, not the reverse.
  • 1 0
 @TheBeauford: well that's kind of what I was getting at with the comments about not really knowing the situation. As far as we know, there could have been an apology and Rachel may well genuinely have wanted to concentrate on her build up to the race rather than do the track preview. Having the potential to make it the perfect season, she may well be feeling the pressure. This might also explain why there's been nothing posted online

I do feel like a lot of people are offended too easily and it does look to me like Claudio is taking unnecessary heat for this. But if I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, why not the same for Rachel?
  • 6 3
 I would love to see Rachel post what spot her time would've landed her in the Men's overall.
  • 5 2
 exactly. What is this "2nd fastest thru the speed trap" nonsense
  • 1 1
 @dtm1: She was 7th fastest through the speed trap.
  • 3 0
 She pulled 4:37 and change, good for 80th in the mens field.
  • 5 2
 I hate it when you think some one is cool and then they turn out exactly the same as the rest...
  • 3 0
 Harry Hill would know how to sort this out... Wink

(non uk crew, google him.. Wink )
  • 5 5
 @RichardCunningham: "[..]Claudio Caluori's and Rob Warner's persistent dismissal of Rachel Atherton's outstanding performances as [..] the logical byproduct of a female riding in the proximity of penis-bearing siblings."

Do you realize that many of the top 10 WC female racers also have top 25 WC racing brothers? Now add ANOTHER brother into the mix and the entire sibling/childhood dynamics change. To a non-insignificant extent, Rachel's success has some roots in the fact that she rode with her two older, faster siblings and probably rode a lot more than people who had 1 older sibling(brother) that enthusiastically rode bicycles.

Not only that, but racing isn't just about skills and riding time. The way that a racer deals with the stress/mental burden/anxiety/etc is paramount to a competitor's success. I bet having family around all the time helps a great f-ing deal, especially when they know exactly what the younger sibling must be going through minutes before her race run, no?

No one intended to say that her success is ONLY because of her "penis-bearing siblings", Richard. After looking through what Claudio and Rachel both said, it seems that the point in which this became sexist was in this article.
  • 3 0
 Okay is it just me or did pinkbike forget about Zarja Černilogar? If thats the case thats horrible. Frown
  • 1 1
 Rachel wouldn't be winning any world cups if her brothers weren't talented bike riders. Just like all the fast girls. They got there by riding with guys. I couldn't care less about the rider that has to crash to lose. Bring back Casey brown. She's way more fun. Cuz it sure ain't all about winning. In fact. Winners suck.
  • 1 1
 actually guy, racing and life is all about winning.
  • 1 1
 Richard Cunningham is at the top of his game. What a tour de force this is. In mortal hands an up/down column like this would be just a throwaway, but this piece tackles a big topic in a provocative, smart, and original way. Plus the bit about the industry's 2016 sales calamity hints at another big topic. It's a pleasure to observe the master at his craft.

And, by the way, he's dead-on right about Atherton. The sooner the industry outgrows its juvenile misogyny and joins the 21st century, the stronger and healthier our sport will be.
  • 5 2
 Rheeder deserved that win! And Semenuk was NOT happy lol
  • 4 2
 The Athertons are the cancer of mountain biking
  • 1 3
 dude you are so wack. f ing kook. racheal takes shits that have more talent and grace than you. kill yourself now.
  • 9 8
 i agree with rachel. stupid ass thing for claudio to say, acceptable in the nineties maybe, but get with it.
  • 3 4
 When you compare the training regime (if you had access to it), would you say that Rachel's results are all due to hard work? Or is there something to her environment? Or instance, having two older siblings that understand the kinds of stress and anxiety you have when racing at the World Cup level?

Having your family there for you and know exactly how to help you is REALLY F-ING GREAT I'd bet.
  • 3 2
 Why was it stupid? Should Claudio have said "well, she trains really hard", as if the other gals and guys don't? I have a hard time believing Rachel works any harder than any other of the pros in the top 20, because there are only so many hours in a day, and you can only physically train for so many of them. I guarantee you anyone in the top ranks trains the absolute maximum amount you can before your body starts to deteriorate- that's why they're on top. All Claudio was talking about was something any rider knows to be true- following faster riders makes you faster. Rachel has been following faster riders for 20 years, hence she's faster than all but a handful of riders on the planet.
  • 2 2
 @tsheep: Stop with all the logic before pogs4ever starts crying...
  • 4 2
 i dont disagree that having an influence and support from your family is a major factor, but it isnt THE major factor; and it belittles her achievements by saying that.

it's cuz she trains hard, even watching the atherton series i felt she trains harder and more focused than her brothers.

training, focus, natural talent is the key to success.

hanging out with fast people for sure makes you faster, but if you dont want to win you arent going to win.
  • 4 1
 @pogs4ever: Do you think Rachel trains harder than Mannon Carpenter, Tracey Hannah, or Tawny Seagrave? Do you think she wants to win more than them?

The story is the same for top athletes regardless of their sport- training and will to win alone doesn't make you special. Everyone you're competing with trains just as hard, and wants it just as bad. You need something special- maybe it's certain genetic gifts, maybe it's a technical advantage, and maybe it's 20+ years of experience in chasing someone faster than you every single day.
  • 3 1
 @tsheep: i do actually; its not just tranining harder, it's length of training: for instance, Tahnee is quite young at this point in her career and I'm not sure she has had the years to build the cardio and strength training that Rachel has; couple years and she may be the dominant rider.

but I agree with what you are saying; that's why racing is so f*cking fun to watch. generally speaking, the top riders are all pretty close, just that spark of brilliance or superhuman feat of strength/agility that splits the top rider. and that's why we love them for it.

quality time on the bike, individual strength, bmi, heart of a champion, etc. all that goes into making a winner, especially in sprint racing.

it's like that 10,000 hour rule, maybe she has more hours in the gym, more hours on the bike, we dont know really know.
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 @tsheep: I think your point illustrates the issue she took with Claudio's comment.

" maybe it's certain genetic gifts, maybe it's a technical advantage, and maybe it's 20+ years of experience in chasing someone faster than you every single day."

That first part about genetic gifts gives the credit to Rachel. You even listed it first. But the first thing that comes to mind when people think of why she is fast, the credit goes to her brothers. I'm not saying there is any ill intent here. We are just conditioned to think that way. Its a way to justify why someone is better than we are at something. If you or I had brothers or sisters in the sport would that automatically make us faster? Nope. That in and of itself isn't going to make us faster. Rachel has the physicality and mental capacity to ride the tracks faster than the other ladies. Racing as a family has certainly helped her training and experience, but when it comes down to it, she is the one that has to lay down the run.

What has made Aaron Gwin so dominant these past few years? According to the comments in this article, we can't say that he trains harder than the other men. We know he's not chasing someone faster.

Another point that came to me as I'm writing this in terms of training. Many are saying that all the women are training just as hard as Rachel and that she's faster because she's chasing her brothers. Well, guess what, chasing her brothers is a form of training. So if we are going to credit chasing her brothers, we can't say that the other women are training just as hard as she is.
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 ITT: The proof that Pinkbike users are no better than redditors.
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flag jaycubzz (Sep 1, 2016 at 11:29) (Below Threshold)
 the fact you use internet slang and colloquial terms for people who use reddit totally eliminates the freedom of speech you think you have in your comment
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 @jaycubzz: Congratulation for the use of the word colloquial. It's too bad that your comment makes no sense what so ever. Don't worry, you will find solace with your Reddit karma. Here, have a downvote.
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 @Bragelonne: thanks man, means a lot coming from a user of reddit
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 Oh my word. This is the problem with people these days. Claudio made an offhand comment during a race run. He wasn't giving a complete synopsis of her racing career. You people need to settle the eff down with this nonsense of extrapolating hate and people's entire opinions, on any given subject, from single sentences. It wasn't misogynistic, it wasn't hating on Rachel, it wasn't anything. Get a grip!
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 To summarize the comments: mansplaining a woman's success.
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 PinkBike you're WAAAAY off the mark with your sympathetic comment to Rachel, who acted like a complete princess in making ANY negative comment about what was said. Claudio literally and ONLY said, "Well she races with her brother, one of the leading men in the field, so that certainly helps." And Rachel gets all hurty-feely over THAT comment lol.

What Claudio said was literally a verifiable FACT that could be checked in two simple questions to Rachel. Or is she going to say that riding with her bros DOESN'T help lol? No. His comment was 100% spot on - it "CERTAINLY HELPS" lol. Drop the feminist "treat girls special" rubbish Pinkbike, it's archaic & outdated & an insult to the ability of the rest of the female riders to not generate the same false-victimhood drama that Rachel has tried to stir up. If anyone is owed an apology it's Claudio & Rob for Rachel's childish comments.
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 Goodbye to the rock
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 All you dudes complain to much
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 I dunno PB storm in tea cup
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 thank you, Richard Cunningham.
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 Weak article.
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 Pathetic for @RichardCunningham to even address Rachel's childish rant on social media
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 Hows it pathetic to address a serious issue regarding how women are seen in the sport? It wasn't a childish rant, it was her venting the frustrations of always being seen an gees sisters. The fact is shes one of the most successful dh riders of all time, regardless of gender, so why should she put up with comments like 'shes fast because she rides with her brothers'? Shes fast, end of, and saying its because of anything other than her own hsrd work and determination is selling her short.
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 She is really fast and in part it's down to her brothers. They should have said that in the commentary. It's not the only reason she's fast. Anyway now we know she's the second fastest regardless of sex, it's time to kill the sexist gender classes. It always pisses me off when the blokes get away from having to race the girls. Most of the blokes would get smashed by Rachel. She should be allowed to smash them. As it is they can still escape a beating because she's in a different class. Totally sexist and unfair. Open class for the win. All sexes and ages welcome. May the best human win!
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 @inked-up-metalhead: I'm on team Rach on this one. At least Claudio has apologised... singletrackworld.com/2016/08/claudio-caluori-apologises-for-atherton-comments It will make for some interesting viewing this weekend.

PS I only upvoted @poozank so the comments wouldn't be lost below the threshold.
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 I kind of agree with that, why bring it up yet again for discussion, Claudio publicly apologised - what more can be done now?

Fact of the matter, she was brought up into a bike racing family so it will have helped ar some point - yes its wrong to keep putting her undeniable domination of the sport down to that but it I am sure no disrespect was meant it it is how Rachels path to success began.

Time to put it to bed and move on - Claudio obviously wanted to and invited Rach to do the course video but she 'didnt turn up' - why not go, make light of the subject and be done with it - Obviously the apology from Claudio wasnt enough but we see lots of diva attitudes from the Atherton pits so I am not suprised.
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 @jaame: 'Open Class' is ridiculous idea - Just like it would be in most sports.

Its not 'sexist' to identify the physiological differences between men and women and realise that they should not compete against each other in most sports.

Rachel, however good she is would not 'Smash' the men - she as nearly 40 seconds back on Danny Harts winning time at the last World Cup - It would have put her almost last in the mens field - Thats right 80th!

The idea that you think it is 'totally sexist and unfair' that there is no open class is hilarious, utter madness.
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 @Racer951: Dont be so sexist. I for one cant wait to see open class boxing, mixed team rugby, MMA. My U17 ice hockey team played the GB womens team once, think we put double figures past them and we weren't even allowed to hit.
People need to realise that ignoring differences is worse for society
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 @bluumax: I think my sarcasm meter is broken and think you agree with me - I am 100% behind equality in society but that ends in the majority when physicality comes into play. Unless you are a genetic anomaly like some of the high-testosterone female runners (even they are miles off the mens times) women have no place competing against men in sport.
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 @yerbikesux: I guess you've got to give @bluumax as they're under 17. I was also full retard at 17 (and still not much better at 42)
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 @fartymarty: no. we were u17, they were adults, similar thing happened recently with an under 15s football team beating the OZ national womens team (adult not u15). And yet people think we should ignore physiological differences and have open categories in sports.. no matter what sport, males will always have a physical advantage. Hence why Rachels winning race time would have placed her last in the male elite category.
@yerbikesux great input bro, you managed to write a sentence without actually saying anything.
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 @bluumax: I think we agree that there are physical differences which is why we have male and female classes. I think we all agree there shouldn't be open categories in sport unless there is no physical component to the sport (can't think of many - maybe darts, curling or bowls but those aren't really sports Razz ). I think with time females will get closer to males and maybe the debate can start again.

PS when is the Sports Person of the Year Awards - Rach should be nominated.
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 @fartymarty: Females will only ever get closer to males in sport by the means of doping, even then they will never compete. Thats just biological fact.
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 @Racer951: I think a few hundred years of evolution could change things ... if we get that far as a human race without killing each other. But until then I agree.
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 @fartymarty: Evolution will allow women to grow testes and produce testosterone?

We live in a largely sedatory society where we have no requirement of physical attributes for survival - why would women evolve to become physically stronger, it hasnt happend over the last 200,000 years, why on earth would it happen now.
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 @Racer951: a new level for pinkbike... neg propping a guy stating facts about evolution.

BTW evolution does not occur over hundreds of years, it occurs over thousands as stated, BUT, lets say women get bigger and stronger over the next hundred years..... what do you think will happen to men? human growth trends apply to our species not our sex. But nah, ill just go back being full retard with my buks n lernin.
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 @fartymarty: 100% agree on the SPOTY.. in fact, she should have been nominated in previous years but unfortunately it will not happen due to the way the the list is put together, Also its an Olympic year.
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 @yerbikesux: good one mate
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 Sports should all adopt an open class. That's the only way to make all the mouthy sheilas STFU about how they are underpaid or don't get the recognition they deserve. Saying they deserve the same recognition as the men is sexist in itself. If you deserve the same recognition, you must be as good as them. If so, put your money where your mouth is and race against them.

It's not about how hard you train or how committed you are. It's about how good you are. If you're not the best I'm not interested. I don't care what gender you are. If you're smoking the field you get respect. If you're smoking a watered down field, you get watered down respect.

Look at Theresa May. She's the prime minister of the UK now because she is the best human being for the job. She smoked all the men. She's a world class politician. Do you even know the 80th ranked politician's name? Thought not. Should we have a class of politics for women only? Of course not. Women are awesome at politics in their own right.

Awesomeness is the same in every country regardless of gender.
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 YOU GUYS ARE ALL SEXIST. MEN AND WOMEN ARE THE SAME. ACTUALLY WOMEN ARE BETTER #FEMINISM

Did I do it right?
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 @theminsta: no. you forgot to link your tumblr blog and mention three of the following: "Patriarchy"; "systemic"; "white male"; "culture"; "gender"; "low-fat-mocha-chino"; "basic"; "social studies major"; "like, even"
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 @Racer951: Hey, how a bit of open class in WWE Wrestling, that'd be madness wouldn't it!! Hahahah
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 @atrokz: Every single word triggered me. I'm reporting you to the UN. How dare you call me a fat mocha chino.
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 @inked-up-metalhead: the thing is Claudio made an off handed comment for the purposes of an off the cuff commentary you can't expect him to go in depth into her training and diet regimens in those circumstances. Riding with her brothers has undeniably been a very firm foundation to her riding that she has built on and she has even referenced multiple times.

There is not an issue with how women are seen in the sport. Do you not see the hoops the industry jumps through to cater to women despite the fact that they are a sliver of sales. Having worked in a shop I can also tell you that most men actively try to get the women in their life to get into the sport. Claudio made an off handed remark that was read into and got a childish reaction from rach who like her brother gee has an attitude problem. It wasn't an assault of women, there is not an issue with women or how they are viewed in the sport, like I said people jump through hoops to include them. Just because rach is full of hubris and easily offended does not mean sexism is at play.
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 @jaame: as with almost any sport if there was an open class women would get shit on to the point it would be noncompetitive between sexes. For all Rachel's ass busting and hard work as she put it she would place around 90th with random privateers.
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 double post
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 Athertons are a bunch of whinging divas.
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 Really, or are they just professional sports people who deserve respect?
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