Diamondback was showing prototypes of its aluminum-framed DB8 downhill bike almost four years ago, way back when gravity bikes had only one wheel size. During that time, while they were threatening each spring that the pre-production versions would actually be manufactured and sold to the public, Diamondback continued to massage the DB8's geometry and suspension, and more recently, they redesigned the 200-millimeter-travel chassis for 27.5-inch wheels. When we were notified that the Diamondback was planning to debut the production version at Whistler Crankworx, we jokingly referred to their pride and joy as the DB-L8.
Puns aside, Diamondback's Jon Kennedy showed us the 2015 DB8 and said that framesets are in stock and that complete bikes will be shipping this October. The debut of the DB8 will give dyed in the wool Diamondback fans much to revel about, and its very affordable
(for downhill) $3500 USD sticker price should put the well-appointed gravity racer squarely on the radar of potential customers who may know very little about the brand. Diamondback offers the frame with a DB seatpost, FSA headset and a Fox DHX RC4 Kashima shock for $2500 USD. Sizes are "long" and "short," with the two sizes sharing the same geometry, except for the small’s 22-inch and the large’s 23-inch top tube lengths. Weights were not given at the launch.
Specifications
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Release Date
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2015 |
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Price
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$3500 |
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Travel |
200mm |
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Rear Shock |
Fox Van RC, 9.5"x3.00, 400lb spring/short, 450lb spring/long |
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Fork |
RockShox Boxxer RC 27.5" 200mm travel |
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Headset |
FSA - 57-1 |
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Cassette |
Shimano Tiagra, 12-28 |
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Crankarms |
Shimano Zee |
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Chainguide |
FSA Gravity chainguide |
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Bottom Bracket |
Shimano |
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Pedals |
DB4L Platform CNC, w/replaceable pins, sealed bearings |
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Chain |
Shimano HG54 10-speed |
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Rear Derailleur |
Shimano Zee |
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Front Derailleur |
NA |
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Shifter Pods |
Shimano Zee |
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Handlebar |
Diamondback Probar, 785mm, 15mm rise |
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Stem |
Diamondback Direct Mount, 31.8mm |
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Grips |
DB4L "Lock on" Kraton |
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Brakes |
Shimano Deore, 203mm F/180mm R rotors |
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Wheelset |
Diamondback OEM spec |
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Hubs |
Novatech |
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Spokes |
Stainless steel, 14-gauge |
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Rim |
Sun Ringle Inferno |
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Tires |
Kenda Honey Badger, 27.5" x 2.4" |
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Seat |
Diamondback Race, M-series |
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Seatpost |
Diamondback, 31.6mm |
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ConstructionDiamondback constructs the DB8 chassis from 6061-alloy aluminum. The suspension system is derived from Diamondback's "Knucklebox" system, which uses a stiff, triangulated single-pivot swingarm to drive a downtube-mounted shock through compound linkage. Reportedly, the two Knucklebox links create a rising shock rate to buffer G-outs and large events, while keeping the mid-stroke supple in order to maintain traction. Much of the DB8's suspension strategy is intended to keep the mass of the frame centered as low as possible. The Fox Van RC coil shock passes through a forged-aluminum tunnel and mounts low on the downtube, and the linkage is very compact as well. Cables and hoses are routed externally to facilitate quick component changes on race day, with the exception of the final run of housing to the Shimano Zee rear mech' that is threaded inside the upper swingarm tube to keep it out of trouble in a crash.
Details, like intelligent cable and hose routing, frame-mounted rubber fork-tube bumpers and a dedicated mudguard to protect the exposed rear-suspension linkage give the DB8 credibility in the pro ranks, and its geometry looks good too. Stability should be enhanced by its 64-degree head angle, which should act like it’s a degree slacker, given the larger wheels. Chainstays are on par at 17.75 inches
(451mm) and its 68-degree seat tube angle should help the DB8 feel centered while descending steep trails. The larger wheels allow for an eight-millimeter bottom bracket drop, which will boost cornering traction and help the DB8 get up and over rocks. Rear axle spacing is 150 millimeters and the bottom bracket is threaded, so most customers will be able to transfer their favorite components if they so wish. As mentioned earlier, Diamondback offers the DB8 frame in two top tube lengths - 22 and 23 inches
(559 and 584 millimeters) - so the wheelbase lengthens by 30 millimeters, while the all other numbers remain the same between the two options.
Diamondback DB8: Geometry | Short | Long | Seat tube length | 430mm" | 430mm | Seat angle | 66° | 66° | Head tube length | 120mm" | 120mm | Head angle | 64° | 64° | Wheelbase | 1234mm | 1264mm | Top tube length | 559mm | 584mm | Chain stay length | 451mm | 451mm | Bottom bracket height | -8mm | -8mm | Stand-over height | 765mm | 765mm | Reach | 432mm | 460mm | Stack | 627mm | 627mm |
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I owned a set of 2012 Avid X0s on code calipers, really good feel and power when they worked but air would mysteriously get in and then the lever bodies started coming apart so I replaced them with shimano Zees which didn't have as good lever feel but still had the power, they weren't the most reliable and needed bleeding very often, so I changed the lever bodies for XTR race which don't have servo wave so feel as good as the avids and they have been reliable so far. Also have owned Hayes Nines which were bullet proof and formula Rx's which I wouldn't recommend as they lack good feel and power.
i consider myself to be a pretty competent bicycle mechanic and i've worked in the industry a little while now. in my opinion a lot of mechanics don't know how to maintain avid's very well. as i said above, if they're set up correctly, they work great, and they're easily adjustable, particularly the higher end models with "pad adjust".
please note that i have not knocked shimano brakes once here, they're excellent! i just hate listening to people bitching about avid all the time. they make great brakes, they're easy to get parts for, they have their own unique feel (just like shimano does!), and they're well priced in comparison to the equivalent models from their competitors. so each to their own. neg prop away!
I know what you mean with the issues with Saints. I had the same issues with the rear brake on my set of Zee's. Took me a few bleeds in a row before the issue went away. Didn't have to replace any hoses or anything however. Kinda the opposite with Avid, whenever I bleed Elixir's they end up rock hard and I have to let a bit of fluid out.
Past couple of years I've owned two different elixir models and they both worked really well. I've had more problems with shimano zee and formula brakes, but nothing major on either one. Generally IMO all current brakes work really well, if set up correctly.
Nope, I love mine too. 2014 XO Trails on my SB66 are the dream.
Is there really that much hate for Avid? I thought I was the only one who had a bad experience. Back in 2000 my Hayes brakes were ok but required frequent but not unmanageable bleeding (and those syringes were annoying). Then I got some Juicy 5s which were a nightmare so I upgraded to the 7s. Talk about a pain - spongy, frequent bleeding, even more annoying syringe setup (although the threaded connectors were nice).
I'm now using a British brake brand. You know what it is - go get yourself a set. I bleed mine once every couple years just for kicks (since they're so easy to maintain). It's been 7 years now and they've got my business for all their high quality products.
Think of it as advertising cost to the manufacturer. Just like MS will sell windows censes to say Dell for $50. Even if DB sells it at cost they're probably making a nice chunk off the frame anyways and if the cheaper price brings in a horde of new customers they win.
You guys are seriously cranking me up!
good thing you people dont ride motocross...you would be really bummed when you have to disassemble your brand new 9k$ motorcycle and regrease every bolt and bearing before you can ride it...
And if you really have to bleed, it can be done with one hand tied behind your back in in 5 minutes... Both brakes...
That said, you can get A LOT of bike for $3500 in the buy/sell section.
The YT Tues has the DB by a few hundred bucks but nobody in the Americas can get it so we don't care.
I know what I would pick...
The good news is, most of the in house stuff is either things that come down to personal preference and get swapped out anyway, or stuff that doesn't have major performance advantages between high and low end. OEM wheels on most bikes suck, so that's nothing special here. Deore brakes are probably the only real complaint I would have, and it's clearly a cost cutting measure over the still relatively expensive ZEE brakes.
Good to see DB thinking about the lower end of the market (and I don't just mean the budget/cheap and nasty end).
And the Deore brakes... They just work, I've been very impressed with all the Deore stuff.
www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3272
I know the Avid brakes are a no-go but overall where would it rank? It's £2078 currently which equates to $3448.41 which is only a smidge under the Diamond Back.
Someone shed some light please?
www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=3271
I still like the Zee stuff that's spec'd on the DB more, but the Canyon seems like a not bad deal, either. I didn't do a currency conversion to USD, but I figured since it was less than the one you linked, it's still less than the DB.
But cheers @gromer
The new Mission 27.5 is a very nice bike and this looks to be another great bike for the $. Keep it up DB, this may be my next bike.
www.airbornebicycles.com/products/138-airborne-toxin-complete-bike.aspx
www.rosebikes.co.uk
Can't find a geo chart though.
Same can be said about this one, a nice clean-looking bike with a very solid spec for super good price. Did I overlook any info about when it hits the market, or is it not known at this point?
PS: I like an affordable 27.5 wheeled bike. Kill me now.
See, I can make irrelevant comparisons too.
Looks like a session.
Looks like a transition.