I know there's video fast and real life fast . But Luke just looks flat out fast I'm any bike . I wonder why he doesn't race enduro ? He seems like he could do well .
looks fun- great filming and all, but how does that defy capabilities of a 150mm trail bike? Any of that could be done on a 120mm 29er at least. cool video though, makes me want to go ride in the woods
Great choice in music! I love that you can throw a rock ballad (right term?) at a mountain bike video and it intensifies the riding. You did it with Mumford and Sons in one of your other videos with Luke. Same awesome impact.
...and. Social media platforms have radically altered communications. Company websites while still important overall don't have as much importance as they did prior.
As a past revolt and undead owner their lack of website didn't stop me from just buying a uprising. What got me to buy one was the bikes trail slaying capabilities and it's ability to run your lips off at speed.
You know what no one takes seriously. Armchair quarterbacks on the internet.
If they can't maintain a simple website with up to date info on current models, how are customers ( potential and current suppose to get info?? ) that being said I'm sure they ride nicely. As far as armchair QB's it takes one to know one.
Hadley still doesn't even have a website, but they make some pretty kick arss hubs. Come on man, judging a bike company by how often they update their website is pretty lame.
It's not just that, if they can't keep up a website? How good are they at customer service, warranties, questions about products? How are customers supose to get info? call them?? I'm pretty sure they don't want to sit on the phone all day? True Hadley doesn't but they make hubs, not frames, name one frame builder that doesn't have current website smart guy! Tha's right you can't, because all reputable businesses have a current website.
Since you have no experience with Kevin (I'll assume) I'll let you know first hand how good they are with customer service, warranties and questions about products. Let's take a second to remember this is a niche field. Carbon super aggressive dh and am frames is about as big a market as it sounds like. I was an early revolt owner. 1st or 2nd batch. Rode the ever loving shit out of it. When I needed spare parts I'd email kev or gabe. And I heard back promptly and got what I needed. When my revolt cracked I sent it to Kevin to have it checked out. He said sure enough it was a warranty. Issues arose and like many people I had to wait until frames were available. Kevin did what awesome business owners do. I ended up with an undead at no cost to me. Like many enthusiasts I don't rely solely on a companies pr machine to help me decide what I want. I've found no shortage of info, reviews, specs regarding the bikes online via forums and review sites. Relatively unbiased info.
Being a reputable business and having a current website aren't synonymous with each other. They can exist independent of each other. Kevin's been focusing on building kick ass bikes that people want. I can forgive him for not having a neat companywebsite. Maybe that's where I differ from you, i feel confident and capable to find peer reviews and info and not judge a companies products based on shiny pictures on a computer screen
Glad to hear it, the website is a tool to gather info and yes look at shiney pics. As I said in my first statement " I'm sure they ride well" was derived from other people's opinions, just like your OPINION ( everyones got one you know ). I agree you don't need a website to be good at making frames, but it helps people decide in a NICHE market what bike they want to buy. I personally don't know anyone who has an EVIL so I can't ride one and must rely on other peeps OPINIONS about their products. But thanks for the info glad you like em', they look sweet but I perfer to deal with Canfield Brothers, true professionals in the bike industry.
I'd also like to add for a second regarding my opinion on marketing. I'm a 17 year veteran of the design and marketing industry with full time and freelance clients ranging from nike and Adidas to Starbucks, I've worked in house and agency for tier 1 companies in their fields. So my opinion regarding the importance of a companies website given the current context of media dissemination might carry a little more weight than yours. It might not. You might be the target buyer or I might. My living is made helping companies build strong brands so my opinion in some context might go starkly against how my income is made however we live in a media rich time, one where personal pr machines are less important than they were 10 years ago. Also to be noted Kevin owns and runs one VERY successful creative agency. Very successful. He's well aware of the necessity of a brands own identity. It's possible the site has been a low priority for many reasons. I'm not going to assume why. Just that he's easy to reach, has great CS and is building and builds 2 of the sickest bikes available.
You sound very well informed and I respect your opinion. Two words "Canfield Brothers". Question for you, straight up, does the Undead ride better than the Jedi? I've owned two of em and yes I would very much consider an Undead as my new whip.
There's no argument than vin, lance, Chris and Sean are one of the true great models of the bike industry. I'd consider those dudes good friends, ones I help subsequently with work. I own a Jedi( current and paid for a new one already) a nimble 9. However both companies no matter how the differ in business models are successful in their fields. Which leads me to believe that even with a lack of media on evils part the bikes do all the talking. I'm sure there's a website. He'll there are quite a few new bikes coming from evil as well.
Evil and canfields are 2 businesses I give my money two in this industry regularly. He'll all my bikes have Canfield pedals, the new Jedi has the new cranks, I run their wheels..
Regarding the two bikes. They have some similarities. Both seemed to chew up rough. The Jedi feels faster when things get gnarly. The undead felt faster on snappy park like trails. The undead is a lot more lively and "fun" the Jedi is more a ride for 7 days at whistler and not be best to shit.
I like the Jedi for a DH machine a lot. As a lazy old dude the Jedi is what I want. If the Jedi is a car it's an Audi S8, the undead is a Porsche gt2. One is performance with the feel of luxury the other is uncompromising performance.
I just bought an uprising 2 days ago, it's what I want in a trail bike. I have the new Jedi coming because it's what I want in a dh bike.
Also the Canfield stuff is as strong as a Spanish bull on pcp. You can ride the absolute shit out of every one of their products and never fear an issue. The evil stuff is high tech weapon still learning how to exist in a competitive market.
Excuse the typos on an iPad. After a major injury in whistler thT took me off a bike for nearly a year the Jedi has helped me feel confident and comfortable again on big trails. It doesn't do some things as well, like jumping. The undead literally snaps off things like it's having fun on the trail too. The Jedi coasts through the roughest terrain literally like its laughing.
If I could I would own both bikes. And the Canfield balance, uprising, insurgent, yelli, faction, Canfield dj. But I can't there's a woman that lives in this house with me and she has the ability to make life miserable.
btw , not that I care anymore but on those annoying PB polls something like 4900+ polled, use factory websites for tuning, setup , and other info related to their bike VS. 1001 who don't. just noticed this.
And maybe that's Evil's problem too. And maybe that's why there still a niche market bike company. What reasons could any company have having a 10 year out dated web site other than trying to avoid customer service. I don't care how technically knowledgeable you are about anything. If a company don't have a up to date web site they don't give a shit about marketing, or the customer. I would have bought a Evil too. Only they did everything they can to sway me from it. Hence, the sh*t we are talking about. Next frame I'm looking at because of Evil's shit marketing is going to be a Airborne.
Maybe because evil is 2 guys. R&D'ing, designing and overseeing production the website is falling to the wayside. Maybe because they dont want to get any bigger, maybe its because atm they cant handle any more growth. maybe its chemtrails or bigfoot. Who f*cking knows, Kevins a smart guy and maybe concentrating on other things.
When you own you own bike company you can do it however you want. Until then, this is all armchair quaterbacking.
Airborne. HA! So you're looking to buy a Taiwanese catalog bike from the guy who drove ironhorse/rs cycles into the ground and jerked around alot of customers in the process of bankrupting his company. Sounds like a solid game plan. I'd give the dude from Nemesis $$ before Randall Scott.
Part of the problem is that we as consumers are so conditioned to go to a website as part of a companies customer service. A lot of companies tell you straight out " check the website". Also I have always thought of Evil as a "creative" bike company due to their creative artwork and graphic design associated with the brand. So a website is a form of graphic design/art. If they don't want to maintain a website, how about just a current webpage w/ contact info a some quick and dirty info and a picture of current models and availability. To be honest I hate computers and respect anyone who can run a sucessful business w/o one, the old fashion way, but filing cabinets and sitting on the phone all day does seem to be a dead business model these days. But god damn their bikes are rolling sex. @SithBike check out Canfiled Brothers, they'll take care of you
You guys win. It's so easy to have a updated web site that there must be a reason why EVIL is not doing it. Maybe they want to have their customers call to keep a small loyal customer base. And know their customers personally. It would make the customers feel like they are apart of the EVIL team. Perhaps part of the allure of buying a EVIL over the competitors? In the end, it's something different. Just like the Airborne. Both company names sound awesome and the frames look good. I don't know anyone that own's these bikes so I have no idea what to expect from either. But I'm impatiently holding out from buying a new DH rig because I want to see where this 650b thing goes for 2015. Until then, "26", 29" 650b, Hut, Hut".
@Pichy. Even though I'm a 26er. I like the fact you picked your wheel size and choose to be a d*ck about it. It's funny. Good to know it's not always the 26"ers who throw the first punch.
i HATE how when editing footage the speed is altered (ie sped up. Dont mind it being slowed down) .Makes this video meaningless crap. Im sure he is pinned without doing that.
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Pretty intro and nice camera work though!
sup3rc0w comment FTW. Glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth or I would be buying a new keyboard.
www.bikemag.com/videos/2014-bible-of-bike-tests-roundtable-reels-evil-uprising
I think Luke is too smooth for the majority of people to appreciate just how pinned that video was!
Being a reputable business and having a current website aren't synonymous with each other. They can exist independent of each other. Kevin's been focusing on building kick ass bikes that people want. I can forgive him for not having a neat companywebsite. Maybe that's where I differ from you, i feel confident and capable to find peer reviews and info and not judge a companies products based on shiny pictures on a computer screen
Evil and canfields are 2 businesses I give my money two in this industry regularly. He'll all my bikes have Canfield pedals, the new Jedi has the new cranks, I run their wheels..
I like the Jedi for a DH machine a lot. As a lazy old dude the Jedi is what I want. If the Jedi is a car it's an Audi S8, the undead is a Porsche gt2. One is performance with the feel of luxury the other is uncompromising performance.
I just bought an uprising 2 days ago, it's what I want in a trail bike. I have the new Jedi coming because it's what I want in a dh bike.
Also the Canfield stuff is as strong as a Spanish bull on pcp. You can ride the absolute shit out of every one of their products and never fear an issue. The evil stuff is high tech weapon still learning how to exist in a competitive market.
When you own you own bike company you can do it however you want. Until then, this is all armchair quaterbacking.
Airborne. HA! So you're looking to buy a Taiwanese catalog bike from the guy who drove ironhorse/rs cycles into the ground and jerked around alot of customers in the process of bankrupting his company. Sounds like a solid game plan. I'd give the dude from Nemesis $$ before Randall Scott.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/9954347
No. A 150mm trail bike, defies the common capabilities of Lucas Strobel.
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