i dunno, those commentators were so annoying! one sounded like he knew what he was talking about, he just couldn't say it right. the other had a weird thing going on for the word 'manhandling'; did he want to use that word any more??
The whole live coverage soundtrack sounded like a heap of 'cinematic' stock music. It didn't ruin it for me but it could definitely be more interesting and less cheesy.
think it was partly NBC's fault - they had god-awful announcing and interviews during the live stream yesterday, and kept playing this annoying as fuck 'dramatic' music every time someone did a run.
I have NO idea how the redbull player manages to crash firefox AND my computer's media player as soon as it gets loaded on a page... I bet they tried hard to get this result when they made it.... I have no other explanation for it...
Even if Zink competed, I doubt he would have won, unless he flipped the canyon gap...which wasn't likely. He likely would have taken the same slow, traversing line Cam McCaul did, and the judges always scored the slower traversing lines lower. They wanted to see more direct, high paced lines down the course. After watching it twice, I've come to the conclusion the judging was consistent if you consider they were looking for fast lines. But I definitely think Tyler should have placed higher for his 1st run.
Agreed. I was waiting for someone to flip the canyon, disappointed no-one tried it, has it ever been done? I suppose if you under, or over rotate your in a world of trouble!...still would have been intense to see
Hey, stop hating Protour! all the negative comments, someone has to do it...what would pinkbike be without Protour.... hahahaha sorry haters, its just funny
Unfortunately, he's right at some point. Seem's like judges waited for something extraordinary, like fliping canyon gap (oh come on, it is possible. At joyride few guys fliped over satellites, like 60ft gap) If someone did that, the rest just doesn't matter. There's no signature, or you can call it - advert move in this year's contest, but there was good predictions for that, Brendog's gap, Semenuks wall ride, or Zink's whole run. I bet if dialed those runs could score in the 90's. Sadly we haven't seen all, because of injuries
Flipping the gap? Are you serious? It's not dirt bike jumping it's mountain biking. Clearing a 60ft gap in the middle of a gnarly run is an accomplishment in it's own. You guys are so demanding.
I think McCaul just didn't feel it good backfliping this canyon. His life have more value than some entertaining actions ! Great exemple for AM riders : Freeriding is "Have fun on your bike", not "Die by trying some ridiculous things".
According to his face, this guy were stoked about his runs !
honestly at this point i think Protour is getting neg propped just because it's him. he actually has a legitimate point. the judging did seem inconsistent, although Cam's line wasn't all that slow.
Cam got absolutely hosed. Sorge's run was definitely sick and probably the best but the judging was absolutely garbage. Both mccauls deserved better scores. Kind of ruined rampage in my opinion.
The judging has got to be tough, calculating a whole number of factors in to a number within a short period of time. But I agree there was definitely some inconsistency with the scores being given....
Oakley sender is ruining Rampage!!! Because if you wanted to win, you had to hit it! There are two biggest obstacles - sender and canyon - Cam chosen canyon and judges put him down because of "slow" upper section... but if he wanted to hit it, he simply had no choice... it's built so f*cking far!!! In this moment, when judges don't appreciate that he wanted to do something different... where is the variety!!! In this moment the sender is simply an obligation!!! And it's WRONG!!! I say BURN THAT SENDER DOWN and give to riders a chance to choose!!!
I agree. There is more potential of tricking the gap. Nobody did anything off the sender. I saw bender straight huck cliffs just as big and bigger ten years ago. At least throw a no hander off it.
He chose by far the best line down the mountain, and pulled some big tricks. He absolutely deserved it.
How can so many people be complaining about the judging, yet nobody is saying Sorge didn't deserve it? If the best run won, the judging wasn't that bad, cause unless you win, most people don't remember who placed 2nd, 3rd, etc...
I'll tell you what else he deserved as well as the win. Blackbox parts. There are a lot of guys with them that should be behind him in the pecking order I tell thee.
Every run was simply incredible! However, one that I really enjoyed which nobody seems to talk about was Wil White. I loved his style and hope we'll see a lot more of him in the future.
My buddies and I were there,just got back home 9 hour drive, super stocked!. cam zinc over shot and landed on his feet something like 65 feet or better! that was at practice, the guy is not human. a couple of others ate shit at practice pretty bad. I have to admit being on that hill watching these guys was unfucking real!!! big up and up to all these guys. I think the only thing we were like um about was the judging on some of these guys, I mean I'm no judge but I'm not stupid, the crowd was pissed on a few scores but surely you'll never see that footage lol.
Good contest but it missed that killer moment of 2010. Can't help thinking Zink would have thrown down something completely new to retain the title. His three from 2010 remains the most progressive move ever seen in the competition. But all in all I'm amazed at how much the standard of riding overall has improved, even Rookies hitting the Oakley sender for fun!
Both Sorge's runs were full of killer moments, but nobody was expecting them, and he wasn't one of the last riders, so the anticipation wasn't there like it was for Zinks run in 2010. Luckily the judges noticed them and that's why he had spectacular scores.
What about that dude who through down 4 backflips in one run!! You saying they were expecting that? Even the one on the part!? Which everyone was blown away with because of the technicality of the top section!
I don't think Zink'10 is the most impressive run in Rampage. The best trick, hell, YES. But the rest of the run was pretty simple. For me, Gee'10 is the best run ever, from the start to the end. Speedy, smooth and fluid, ending with a perfect stepdown to wallride. Using smartly the brakes and stopping the bike to zero not a single time.
Rampage is not Crankworx. It's "another" thing. I think that this year Sorge understood "that" thing.
i really like sorges style and his kind of riding but i cannot understand why they build such a monster gap which only cam took in the finals and in the eyes of the judges its without any value? did the judges not recognize that the winner of last year had big problems with this monster, as he was not able to ride in finals? such an event should be a show event and a big show was done by cam definately!
For me i like to see variety in a line not just flips. Saying that it still doesn't take away how sick those flips where, especially the one at the top of his line.
Great riders, amazing event.... robbed by the inconsistent judging and way to wide heli shots - 'wow look at that no hander' ....um, nope, couldn't see that, nice view of the mountains tho! lame music and annoying nothing commentary, what happened to Warner or Shut the front door, to throw some humour or passion in? - How do you make the judging better, only thing I can think of is the riders themselves vote and have their say, who knows better than them? - but then I guess even that is open to tactical rigging.....The McCaul's were for me the stars of the flow and the show.
AHH perfect! If anyone knows the ski event where the riders judge themselves, throw the name down, but why can't this be like that? I mean, my other comment would need to proceed this (RBR not being a FRWS stop, but a seperate event), but then if that's true, why can't they pick their own!!!
Great Run by Sorge but i thought Cam should of been higher up. It seems a shame that every contest hast to be about tricks these days, Rampage was the only one where big lines and drops counted but it seems this year just doing that wasn't enough and you had to have flips in your run as well. It basically means the big mountain guys have little chance of winning in future unless they want to flip. It would be preferable if tricks and lines were rewarded so either type of rider could win.
some insane riding, think the judges had been sitting in the Utah sun to long though very inconsistent scoring, def think some Rob warner would have been made it better.
gee is one hard fucker, lucky to be alive after that one
Can't comment on the Judging because nobody knows what its like to be in their position. They are I"m sure professional Freeride judges and look for very particular things. Getting excited as a spectator is different than looking for key points as a judge.
On another note, I found it cool and amusing how they tried to put on the professional appearance and theme for this event. Definitely trying to take freeriding/mountain biking to a new level as a professional sport. But what was funny was how you cannot hide or mask the honesty and down to earthness of these riders. They would come in from their run for the interview, cussing, grabbing their nuts, stoked, depressed, whatever they were feeling was all over their face. They did not come in all calm and thank their sponsors etc, etc like MX riders do. Just a bunch of local boys riding mountain bikes for the love of the sport.
As much as mountain biking could use the mainstream media, attention, and sponsorship. Its great to see the hometown attitude, untainted by money and politics
did anyone watch the video on what the judges were looking for? rampage is not a slope contest. its a big mountain style contest. of coarse the guys who are blasting big lines are gonna get more points than those who are trying to trick every lip. granted tricks obviously help.
top 4 should of been kurt Cam Norb and Tyler . not sure what was going on in Chris Lawrence and the other judges heads . anyone else surprised Darren didn't throw his helmet off a 150 foot cliff
What everyone fails to realize is that the comp has 4 categories you need to have a high score in all four. Cam, Tyler and Norbs all took lines with low line score. Yes norbs and Cam had a bit of a bump up for the canyon gap and and the Gee quarter line but all 3 took lines that didn't compare to what most of the other riders were doing...add 5 points that they lost in the line category to each one of their scores and see where they place...
i just wondered how Aggy would have scored if would have entered...his skill level and big mountain know how is on par with Sorge. For once in my life I just wished Matt Hunter would have gave that a shot
I think its funny that a Rockstar rider won the Red Bull Rampage. All their promo shots are gonna have their competitors product prominently displayed. Rock on Sorge!!
and this is the major downfall of judged events.
He basically did 2 tricks on the whole run. He went big and road a sick line but I don't see how that absolutely blew everyone away. One trick should not win an event that big.
He did 3 and they were spread nicely through out the run not just at the bottom to play it safe, he had a streep technical line and he flowed it fast and smooth, he went big om the oakley sender and stomped a burly step down back flip watch his run again....
I'm not saying he doesn't serve to win. He does. I just don't think he blew everyone away. And it wasn't that smooth. His superman was even pretty shaky... huge but shaky. Dude won it for sure. My problem isn't with Sorge's score. I think he got what he deserves.
I think they got the first place run right. Second could be second but I honestly think it's a third place run and Cam should be second with Nord in 4th.
Just because someone doesn't do a crazy trick doesn't mean the level of difficulty isn't there. The gap cam did was HUGE and styly.
Hard to juge the event. It's very subjective to make a fair top 15 today, so at the moment... I prefers not shiting on the jugement, but one thing is not fair in my opinion : Semenuk's score at first run. I think it secured the FMB title by not giving a single chance to Söderstöm.
haven't seen any of the other runs, but given past rampage's, i guess i was expecting a little more from the winning run... and it seems everyone else on here was as well.
It wasn't just that... no one above him won best trick... And no one above him hit the huge gap.
So he had best trick and the huge cap AND a super flowy fast line. If the only thing judges were looking for was a bunch of tricks then they should have just come out and said that. But they didn't. It's suppose to take in to account, line, style, speed, flow, tricks, gaps, etc. He had it all.
I think Sorge deserves the top spot but I think Cam should be 2 or 3. I think the judges locked in on one thing and forgot about the rest. Major major flaw in my opinion. I think you'll see a lot of things change for this event as it's not what it's suppose to be.
dont get me wrong....the landscape they were on was epic....the drops bigger than anything i ever seen. but after watching all those epic edited short movies on pb where big names nail run after run with huge flips spins n whips, i kinda realised how much work goes into making those vids, how many rides it takes to film that one trick, how much editing to make all the tricks look like they were linked up in one run.
after watching rampage....i was so unstoked i was rather disapointed.
big names droping in and what i saw (admitedly not the whole comp) was them just rolling the whole course.
I think you're severely underestimating just how ridiculous this terrain is in person man, and thats understandable thing seeing as your from the UK, I don't mean any offense when i say that so please dont take it that way, but it is honestly the truth. Alright, I'm from Greater Vancuver, thriving mountain bike scene, the shore, coast, whistler etc all within range. So I personally do think know a little bit about, you know, gnarly riding and terrain, at least from a general standpoint, because the majority of riding im sorrounded with and enjoy regularly is some of the best and some of the most legendary in our sport (A definite privilege, might i add.) I've also been lucky enough to go to a few contests in a bunch of different places in north america and experience some of what those areas have to offer, and honestly, none of it comes anywhere near what Utah, most specifically this "course" are like.. I cant stress enough how high the consequences are when you're riding that terrain, because on top of the rocks, thorns, snakes and whatever else, the lines are steeper, bigger, windier and scarier than pretty much anything you could have ever been able to find and willingly ride before. To top it off, the dirt is unpredictable and tough to get used to, and if in the middle of trying to navigate all of that you should happen to falter and miss a line, theres no trees to stop you, and theres a very good chance whatever you're riding just so happens to be perched on top of a cliff....
I loved what Antoine had to say about how when he and his friends will ride back home they try to search out gnarliest faces around to ride, but when you come to rampage, no matter what line you take, you're just trying to survive. Look at Kurt in the vid, first thing he says is he was scared shitless, thats your champion saying that.
Not to keep ranting, but also look at how many top guys, Gee to Brandon alike, have gotten taken out this week, it's not because they arent good at riding, it literally is a feat just to make it down.
@dustingilding i totaly agree. what ive experienced from the media side of thigs has hugely hyped up my expectations of the top names. and we all know how cameras can make things look small and insignificant. i appreciate the difficulty and the balls it takes to ride that place. i know i could never do it. but my comparrison comes from all those video edits and i guess im wrong to do so. the rampage was REAL FREERIDE! with no editing! just as the sport actually stands.
one thing i noticed was all the big players come from country with massive mountains! something we here in the uk lack!
i didnt mean any disrespect to anyone, especially the riders of the rampage. i simply thought it looked lack lusture compared to what edited videos make freeride seem.
I get what you are trying to say socommk23.
If anything you are giving props to the editing on most videos which is indeed spectacular. Not many other sports media get me as excited and amazed as MTB media.
I don't want to rain on anyones parade but to me , Sorge's run was less than spectacular. It was fluid, but if I'm not mistaken there was not one single trick .. How was that scored higher than other runs?
He pulled a back flip off the drop, and a superman over the double.. But I thnk it was over hyped, it was agreat run, but then were so many others that didn't score nearly as high,
What the **** is that?
There's no signature, or you can call it - advert move in this year's contest, but there was good predictions for that, Brendog's gap, Semenuks wall ride, or Zink's whole run. I bet if dialed those runs could score in the 90's. Sadly we haven't seen all, because of injuries
According to his face, this guy were stoked about his runs !
How can so many people be complaining about the judging, yet nobody is saying Sorge didn't deserve it? If the best run won, the judging wasn't that bad, cause unless you win, most people don't remember who placed 2nd, 3rd, etc...
and edit 'oldskool lookin ride' Karpiel Disco Volante $$$$$
Rampage is not Crankworx. It's "another" thing. I think that this year Sorge understood "that" thing.
did the judges not recognize that the winner of last year had big problems with this monster, as he was not able to ride in finals?
such an event should be a show event and a big show was done by cam definately!
If anyone knows the ski event where the riders judge themselves, throw the name down, but why can't this be like that?
I mean, my other comment would need to proceed this (RBR not being a FRWS stop, but a seperate event), but then if that's true, why can't they pick their own!!!
I'll say it again, he's one of the reasons I left XC behind and started doing "freeride" and other stuff... but still...
On another note, I found it cool and amusing how they tried to put on the professional appearance and theme for this event. Definitely trying to take freeriding/mountain biking to a new level as a professional sport. But what was funny was how you cannot hide or mask the honesty and down to earthness of these riders. They would come in from their run for the interview, cussing, grabbing their nuts, stoked, depressed, whatever they were feeling was all over their face. They did not come in all calm and thank their sponsors etc, etc like MX riders do. Just a bunch of local boys riding mountain bikes for the love of the sport.
As much as mountain biking could use the mainstream media, attention, and sponsorship. Its great to see the hometown attitude, untainted by money and politics
i thought should of been
1)Sorge
2)McCaul (cam)
3)Norberton!!!!!!!!!!
Missed zink this year tho
after watching rampage....i was so unstoked i was rather disapointed.
big names droping in and what i saw (admitedly not the whole comp) was them just rolling the whole course.
Alright, I'm from Greater Vancuver, thriving mountain bike scene, the shore, coast, whistler etc all within range. So I personally do think know a little bit about, you know, gnarly riding and terrain, at least from a general standpoint, because the majority of riding im sorrounded with and enjoy regularly is some of the best and some of the most legendary in our sport (A definite privilege, might i add.) I've also been lucky enough to go to a few contests in a bunch of different places in north america and experience some of what those areas have to offer, and honestly, none of it comes anywhere near what Utah, most specifically this "course" are like..
I cant stress enough how high the consequences are when you're riding that terrain, because on top of the rocks, thorns, snakes and whatever else, the lines are steeper, bigger, windier and scarier than pretty much anything you could have ever been able to find and willingly ride before. To top it off, the dirt is unpredictable and tough to get used to, and if in the middle of trying to navigate all of that you should happen to falter and miss a line, theres no trees to stop you, and theres a very good chance whatever you're riding just so happens to be perched on top of a cliff....
i totaly agree.
what ive experienced from the media side of thigs has hugely hyped up my expectations of the top names. and we all know how cameras can make things look small and insignificant. i appreciate the difficulty and the balls it takes to ride that place. i know i could never do it.
but my comparrison comes from all those video edits and i guess im wrong to do so.
the rampage was REAL FREERIDE! with no editing! just as the sport actually stands.
one thing i noticed was all the big players come from country with massive mountains! something we here in the uk lack!
i didnt mean any disrespect to anyone, especially the riders of the rampage. i simply thought it looked lack lusture compared to what edited videos make freeride seem.
concider me put straight.
i found some better footage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6FQuTtXVYY