Maybe the short cockpit is an illusion? I was comparing the geo from this bike to the Kona process 153 which is supposed to have a longer than average top tube (to account for short chain stays.) The Process has a TT length listed as 604mm, and the Warden's TT is listed as 601mm in size med which doesn't seem overly short. Granted a real life experience on the bike would obviously be a better indication than just numbers on a website..
Mount Burke, it's an amazing place. Sucks that some of the trails will be taken down due to the development of houses... Living belongs in the city, not in the mountains.
Agreed , but look on the bright side , there is always the rest of the mountain and the higher up known & unknown trails that they can't develop because of the park boundaries.
Totally disagree! I had to live in a city when I went to university and I never want to live in a city again. People need to live in the country, and on mountains, and in valley meadows, near rivers and creeks and down by the sea. It is perfectly possible to have amazing trails and people living near them too!
"Men go back to the mountains, as they go back to sailing ships at sea, because in the mountains and on the sea they must face up, as did men of another age, to the challenge of nature. Modern man lives in a highly synthetic kind of existence. He specializes in this and that. Rarely does he test all his powers or find himself whole. But in the hills and on the water the character of a man comes out."
Love it! I moved just from Whistler(almost-city) to North Van(too much of a city, yet not-so much for the average city-man), and man I wanna get closer to the woods even though I'm a mere kilometer or two from Fromme..gotta get myself a cave. With internet though, just to keep doing my nerd job to buy bikes!
Ha, it's funny that out of all videos I decided to look up where this was when you wrote it was Mt. Burke. Turns out we stopped a night at the side of the road in our motorhome whilst being uber british tourists going across the west coast of Canada for a few weeks last summer, we were too tight to pay for a place at a proper motorhome site so just drove up some random roads looking for a spot to stop. Found a sweet spot into the entrance of a construction site of (probably what you are talking about) some new houses for the night. I spotted a few sweet looking trails winding off through the woods too and a few DH guys up. During the night quite a few folk seemed to be up and down the road stopping in the next layby to us, was wondering what was going on and we decided either drug dealing or couples coming up for a quickie in a secluded spot... Yeah I know, 'Cool story bro!'
@jeffsworks . That's not even close to "most" of the park , not even close. The property they auctioned off has always been the citys property and is part of "Burke Mountain" and not "Pinecone Provincial Park". All those property lines are as close to the park line as they can get , from there on up they can never and will never be able to develop on a Provincial Park. This will effect mabey 25% of the trails and still leaves the rest of the mountain.
jeffworks. Your link shows Burke mountain crown land being sold. NOT park land!
This has been established for decades that this land will be developed. Then you cry like it is new news.
NONE of Burke Pinecone park is being sold or developed.
The huge variety of trails in the Park boundary are safe and a blast to ride on a all mountain bike. Be prepared for a long climb. No shuttling on this mountain.
I have never heard of problems with Knolly CS, although they make solid bikes and the customers rarely have to get in contact with them. My only contact was due to me screwing up an axle and I was taken care of quickly!
I have owned two Knolly bikes and if I ever have a problem they fix it ASAP! Don't know if people are using the same CS as me but I have been treated well for years now.
I have a Chilcotin @ -=30lbs. It has carbon wheels/seat post, XTR, and a Fox CTD shock + Talas forks. I change it from steep mode to slack mode all the time (66/67 HTA (same as Warden)... Its funny because I rather be on my knolly Podium any day on anything but an XC trail and that is -=38lbs. It is fun, fast, and stable.
Stop. This joke is done. Ride what you like. Let the Pinkbike hate begin.. I'm just tired of seeing comments about wheel size on every article released.
It's a sick bike from a sick company. It's just fun to trololol you guys a bit. If you were really on your A-game, you would have had replies like: "It's not the wheelsize, radarr, it's because you're a hack on a bike" or "even 36" wheels couldn't help radarr roll over things."
It actually has one of the longer wheel bases and top tubes on the 27.5 market! I am 6-2 and the large Warden I demoed was dialed with plenty of reach/room in the cockpit. Camera tricks and the fact that he is a big ass dude is all.
This is one of those videos you can show to your non riding friends when they ask things like "Why do you get up at stupid o'clock on a Sunday and drive into the woods?". The simple answer is.....because it's FUN!
Frame size can often depend what kind of a background / history you have. A lot of us who started out on BMX's back in the 80's prefer the feeling of a slightly smaller frame underneath us.
Its nice to romance about a company like Knolly. I did, so much so that I bought one. They have done an excellent job marketing the story of noel and their bikes. If you spend the money it to takes to buy an "aluminum" knolly with an out dated suspension design that really only excels at absorbing big hits that you have made a huge mistake. I know im gonna get flamed for this, the truth isnt always popular. Buy a Santa Cruz, Devinci, Specialized, Rocky Mountain he'll buy a Trek. Just don't waste $6000 on an aluminum story.
You have the point, but the video shows a downhill section and it seems it would be more stable and faster on a big bike. In fact I also ride this mtb / downhill / enduro / freeride stuff and do it all on a dh bike. Whenever I think of something lighter, and it's often, I still can't help thinking what if I come across some more agressive section? It also depends on the size of a rider. I am a big person so dh bike is not that big to me.
@jedrzeja a decent rider could rip this trail on a hardtail if need be. nice and flowy, no nasty rock gardens. a full on DH bike would make it too easy. plus the pedal up factor.
@Dan I pedal up. I choose a smooth and evenly rising uphill to climb, if it is possible. I pedal up sitting, but it is getting hard soon, so I change two gears into harder and stand up on pedals. Standing up on pedals involves gravity and weight of my body to do most of the job, so this is how I get.up. I also involves the perfect suspension setup, so before an uphill I change the volume of the platform chamber. Climbing on a dh bike is a psychological game. Human body is albe to do this. It should not be a totally exhausting section, so I do it my pace. Off course there are hills so steep that can't be pedalled up, but then I choose to hike the shortest and steepest way uphill. Knowing the landscape I am able to choose paths and to choose how I get up and down. It's also a way to improve fitness. I remember I used to hike almost everything up when I started to ride this way and now I pedal up everywhere not even stopping for a break. There are no big mountains where I live, only hills, but it does not matter really. What matters is what we want to achieve. So riding a dh bike across landscape like mtb or enduro is having fun descending, and thinking all the time about the potential energy of altitute. I can gain speed to use it before uphill, mix gears like a lunatic. There are ways if there is will. Afterall there is not so huge difference between an enduro bike and dh bike. It's just heavier. How truks and tanks go up? There is more power. So how to pedal up a dh bike? Grow stronger. Whenever I think it is getting to hard while uphilling, I try to fight it with my mind, or hike to take the next approach soon. Hills don't go anywhere. Mountain climbers also go agains gravity and they don't cry when it's hard.
@mrgonzowww.pinkbike.com/video/144343 This is the answer. Any biker can do anything on any kind of trail. It's just the matter of will, fun and preference. I should have written that "I" would prefer to hit the trail on the video on a dh bike, because I hit everything on my dh bike. I do road trips too, just aiming to reach an attractive freeriding site. What I think is choosing the type of bike is only preference. People differ in body build, characters, attitude to life. The bike is in fact the prolongation of this. So if you feel you are like a god of wind, it would probably be a road bike. If you feel like a tiger, it is probably an aggressive enduro bike. I always thought about myself like of a polar bear, because I am of a similar body build and I don't mind cold weather. I never have goose-flesh or how you wanna call it, when it's cold. So whenever I was asked in my childhood what animal I would be, I have to decide what I choose. It remained. It's not that I don't think of having a lighter bike. I consider it all the time. My perfect bike would be an universal one, but it is really hard to find. What is most universal though is my body. Using a mirror I look at myself and I see some parts of my body that need training still, but I am conscious that I will never look like a ski jumper. The bone frame of mine is already huge and there are muscles, especially legs and there is fat, so I am close to a bear. Bears do climbing, swimming. In fact they are very active and capable. When I sit on my dh bike www.pinkbike.com/photo/9734372 it is not so big bike under me, so I can do more with it comparring to smaller people. This brings disadvantages too. The bike is not that huge dh bike when landing, or hardcore downhill sections, so I have to watch out more. I don't fly high. It's mostly low and long jumps at speed. I often ask producers if a product can handle my body weight.
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Hell must have frozen over.
its about skills not about the wheel size !!
TOO MUCH GEOMETRY CAN KILL YOU !! lol
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In fact I also ride this mtb / downhill / enduro / freeride stuff and do it all on a dh bike. Whenever I think of something lighter, and it's often, I still can't help thinking what if I come across some more agressive section? It also depends on the size of a rider. I am a big person so dh bike is not that big to me.