Kona and Saint Present the 2012 Supreme Operator by konaworld

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tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:08)

I love the operator frames Drool

one of my favourite bikes, despite what kona haters say

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singletrailrider (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:21)

I could ba considered a Kona hater `cos i ride Spec, but I don`t have anything bad to say.. Good bike, sick vid, gnar riding.
...need.....some.........more.

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hucker03 (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:34) (Below Threshold) show comment

everything looks like trek theese days...

tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:22)

riding a different company doesnt make you a hater, just screaming "KONA IT WILL SNAP" despite never having ridden one is hating. i mean mym cowan has snapped twice but that was my doing and i'm surprised it's lasted as long as it did.

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Samtheman1 (Nov 17, 2011 at 4:55)

@hucker03 you have it mixed around cause trek took Konas four bar linkage and made there bikes so it would be every thing looks like Kona these days

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fr3er1d3r (Nov 17, 2011 at 6:00)

Kona's looking better. I was a total Kona hater a couple years ago. Honestly I still think those frames back in that day were crap but now, they are actually looking better.

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yeahbro (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:03) (Below Threshold) show comment

probalby gonna get a lot of neg props but i dont care that last shot of the linkage looked like crap, and Saint is becoming out of date i think its kinda foolish of kona to do all the components with it. just my opinion.

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tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:14)

how is it becoming outdated when all the stuff works plenty good enough to be used at a world cup level? the Athertons don't seem to mind.

@yeahbro, why complain about getting neg props when you've gone through everybody else's comments and neg'd them? hypocritical much?

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yeahbro (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:49) (Below Threshold) show comment

read it again i said i dont care...

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tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:54)

Doesn't answer you you're being suck a d*ck and negging everybody else, not cool at all.

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JJ-The-Scott (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:26)

i had my 08 stiny for 2 years and went huge on it, didnt snap. really depends on if you can ride your bike properly and set up your shock. stop hating on kona people!!

tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:29)

my cowan has snapped twice and i still love it Big Grin

Views (Nov 17, 2011 at 10:19)

@JJ-The-Scott

i got nothing against Kona BUT a bike shouldnt break when you cant ride or set up your shock awesome, lol

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StefanGlander (Nov 17, 2011 at 10:26)

i have an 07 coilair delux that i beat the snot out of and its still solid. I think all the people who hate konas have never ridden one cuzz if they had, they would find out that they are just as good as any other bike on the market.

doug13 (Nov 17, 2011 at 11:45)

Indeed, my '06 Stinky is still going strong despite having done thousands of miles and being beaten to hell. Although I would like a new one now. :/

fireballtom (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:23) (Below Threshold) show comment

i did like them until i watched a boys snap at the headtube :/

JJ-The-Scott (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:40)

@views that is true but if you go and huck 20ft and bottom out massively and dont hang of the back enough, most modern frames would go "qqhhhEEEHHccchh" sooner or later. sorry if i didnt make my point clear Smile

j0rdan (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:13)

i would like to try the new kona's . they look sweet.

northumberlandrider (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:44)

Had a Kona my self along with the large majority of other local riders in my area, like every one we all had a Kona once. When I went other too A specialized I became a complete kona hater down too the shoddy state i'd seen frame reduced too after comparing it with the standard my specialized up held, its seems nearly all of the Kona hard core bike range from 2007 till now went serioulys down the pan think of how many kona bikes from that area you see broken on here ! the new operator on the other hand looks like it could be a major turn in the Companys rescent track recornd ! aint seen a dinged one yet !

tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:46)

thats because they're new Wink

Downhill340 (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:24)

Sadly I report that somebody has cracked his already
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=124398&pagenum=1

fireballtom (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:32)

i like them but the one i seen snap wasnt on a huge gap it was on a slighty rocky straight

PLC07 (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:35)

Never ridden one as I didn't get the chance but if you search a little on the web you can find several snapped frame pictures of pretty much every model of every brand. Are they all shit? I don't think so. Anyway, Aggy has been sending unreal stuff on them, more than you ever will in your wildest dreams and he doesn't seem to complain.

Downhill340 (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:36)

Im not sure who that was aimed at but I wasnt hating.

tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:53)

The snapped 2012 one had been ridden about 15 times a day at a bike park for a month

JonathanCarre (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:59)

Used to have a Hahanna years ago (and I mean YEARS) and I loved it. For an entry level hardtail I think it's one of the best I've ever owned.

@hucker03: You think this looks like a Trek? Get two images and compare the Trek used by Gwin and the team and the Konas. They don't look the same to me. I personally think the Konas look hot!

lumpy12 (Nov 17, 2011 at 16:02)

kona is baaaaaaaaad

mtnbker395 (Nov 17, 2011 at 18:30)

I haven't ridden any of the new ones since 2009 but I hated those frames. I'm not really a "Kona Hater" but I've never really looked into buying a Kona when I look into bikes.

Kona-Rider1 (Nov 18, 2011 at 6:29)

I have a kona hoss deluxe from '03, on which i have been riding my local Freeride and downhill trails up to may 2010 (when i got my new bike) and i even took it to bikeparks on several occasions and it has'nt snapped yet (it only has a tiny dent in the top tube but thats not from riding it)

konakid1993 (Nov 18, 2011 at 9:37)

I'm now less ashamed to be called Konakid!

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peteders (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:05)

Is it just me of a Kona doesn't look like a Kona without Marzocchi forks!!!! Still love the brand!! Would ride Kona and Norco bikes any time of the week over any other brand.

Lehel-NS (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:44)

Yeah, they were working with Marzocchi for something like 10 years or so, and now Rock Shox? They were looking wilder with the bombers in front! Big Grin

taletotell (Nov 17, 2011 at 4:15)

Maybe kona is trying to drop some weight. All I know is my brother has been rocking Konas for about 6 years and he always pulls the marzocchis off and throws on a RockShox Domain. He's not worried about weight, but the adjustability and reliability, not to mention cheap repairs and simple maintenance, are what keep him going back to RS.

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Iloper (Nov 17, 2011 at 5:04)

the 2010 onwoards Marzos are perfect

DARKSTAR63 (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:52)

Yeah Marzocchi ftw.

JJ-The-Scott (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:27)

ive had marzocchi since i started riding and will always go back to them. more reliable, strong and light! it is a real racers fork these days!

chmod (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:29)

Now, that's why I like this one. Don't like Marz.

taletotell (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:20)

jj-the-scott, I have heard they have been great lately, am not so sure about the light part. I know the 66 weighs even more than the Domain and boxxer. But I haven't looked much at the others. Also the rear shock the Rocco Air seems to perform pretty well, but is super expensive to have rebuilt and get bushings for and Mars is not a great company to have to deal with based on my experience. For example, I sent my fox rp23 back to fox since the propedal lever literally did nothing. The next day my brother sent his rocco air in for a rebuild. Both shocks got a rebuild in the end, but mine took 2 weeks, his took 2.5 months. Even if the performance is good that kinda thing can bring a company down.

taletotell (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:30)

On further comparison there are forks with competitive weights across the spectrum by both companies.

KURTSUCKS (Nov 18, 2011 at 0:02)

People, stop saying kona sucks. most of the time i bet you guys just need to loose weight so it wont snapp hahahahahahaha...

taletotell (Nov 18, 2011 at 4:14)

I didn't say kona sucks. seems like a lot of great riders rock a kona and my older brother has ridden nothing but konas for about 5 years I think. I even had a dawg briefly.

chmod (Nov 19, 2011 at 13:44)

Good friend only weighs 60kg snapped the headtube of his stab after 1 year. Not hucking, just keeping it low. Hopefully the operater is better, but know 5 broken frames in the last year. Good warrenty!!! Everybody got a new one!

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jake00d (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:25)

Kona haters? how is there such a thing.
I admire Kona's, their are kind of like that fat kid in PE who tries really hard at every sport but sucks until they put him at prop in rugby or the defensive line for al you yanks (i think) and then excels.
Plus what an awesome video, regardless of what bike company

pdxtransplant (Nov 17, 2011 at 23:54)

Kinda hard for me to talk badly about a company that invests so much of it's money into creating bike parks. Maby u havent heard of the kona groove approved program maby u have. I dont see specialized, giant or trek forking out money to build trails and they are the biggest companys. Kona bikes might not be the most desirable on the market but are still nice bikes. At the end of the day everyone should at least give those guys props for making mtb what it is today. As I remember it was the og stinky that kinda started the freeride craze oh and the Cowan was the first short travel jump bike. So we can all thank kona getting the other company's to open there eyes and start making other cool bikes

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donch15 (Nov 17, 2011 at 5:51)

I still think the Joe Smith vid they put out for the release of the Operator last year was the coolest mtb promo vid I've ever seen.

Straight James Bond sh*t.

mountguitars (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:48)

agree with you on that one dude.

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baca262 (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:24)

when will you f*cking kiddies learn something about suspension design and stop crapping how it looks like (insert another frame here)?

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snl1200 (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39)

Not a whole lot of info in the advert on what changes have been made or what is actually going on in terms of suspension, angles etc that would make their product superior. The video was a lot of fun but in terms of describing the product didn't do much. I wish companies would stop telling me their product will make me piss lightning, conquer the free world and set all land speed records and have enough respect to tell me how or why in a realistic way. Realistically Aggy, Delfs and Sherrard could put together a video of them whipping Pink Tinkerbell themed walmart bikes in a way that would elicit at least six drops of WTF incontinance. I love watching that but am not foolish enough to believe I could do similar if I had a similar product. Rather, just tell me the advantages, novelty etc. of the product please.

danno527 (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:08)

^^^^
"Realistically Aggy, Delfs and Sherrard could put together a video of them whipping Pink Tinkerbell themed walmart bikes in a way that would elicit at least six drops of WTF incontinance"
Best mental picture ever. Just think about it for a second.

PLC07 (Nov 18, 2011 at 5:03)

I agree that when it's all bling and no content it kind of makes you wonder what's the point of all this really. On the other hand, it seems that when most companies focus on "content" it all becomes a game of bullshit marketing that no one really buys anyway

- Best linkage system ever (insert cool acronym)!
- Best funky rear shock system!
- Best geo on the market!

All with endless explanations (with hardly ever enough data to back it) trying to prove that they reinvented the wheel but in the end it doesn't add much, if anything to the riding.

Sometimes, just guys having fun with their bikes says more than anything else.

konaworld (Nov 18, 2011 at 9:48)

Thank you PLC07, that's what we're going for here. If you want to find out more about our bike, we have tons of info available. Our dealers are all super savvy with the Operator, not to mention there are tons of independent reviews online. This is purely a piece to get people stoked on riding and show the world the range of intended use we used to direct the design philosophy behind the Operator platform. You can check out all the detailed specs and geo of the bike here: www.konaworld.com/gravity_dual_suspension.cfm?content=supreme_operator

snl1200 (Nov 18, 2011 at 10:56)

I can agree with that. I personally would have prefered a bit of a mix of jaw drop media and practical descriptions. It's not a shot at Kona at all (I think Kona has one of the better websites for describing their bikes). It was just kind of a bit of frustration at bike marketing in general. Hype is fun and I want to see these guys ripping and showing me all that these bikes are capable of but coupled with information on what that looks like for me and why. Some of us do care about frame geometry, specs, and technical features and have spent enough time on a bike to notice that. Is there a happy medium? (For example: www.pinkbike.com/video/75195) If I'm going to spend that kind of money on a bike, I'd like to know what I'm getting and how that differs from what I'm not getting... as subtle as that often is. By the way, I did go to the website after watching the video to check out the specifics on the bike so in that regard the ad worked for this impressionable not-so-youth.

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vervi (Nov 17, 2011 at 4:05)

Nice photos/video! And I would give a leg for a bike like this!...but than I couldn't use it, so maybe it's not a good idea Big Grin

cikudh (Nov 17, 2011 at 16:48)

1st picture is truly amazing!! . . . Big Grin

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jeng (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:00)

"One bike to rule them all." Whatever, I find it funny that these bike companies come out with a new bike the shoot a video with the some of the best riders in the world and basically say look what these guys can do with our new bike because it's better than anything else out there. As if we are such cultural zombies to believe such a thing. What they should do is take total noobs and see if those guys can impress with the bike ;-)

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donch15 (Nov 17, 2011 at 5:39)

Too bad they don't have any footage of Delfs riding his 2012 frame last season...b/c it was stolen.

Sweet vid though. I have ridden Demo 8's, 951's, and now a 2012 Supreme Operator. My first hand experience....the bike is pretty rad.

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csucsnowman (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:17)

"stiffer than a skyscraper in a windstorm"

modern skyscrapers are actually built with a large amount of flex in their frames for wind / earthquake safety.

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jeyruless (Nov 17, 2011 at 4:04)

Personally you wont see me on a kona in a long time. They barely just started to get their shit together. This is only an oppinion though

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rangemaster (Nov 17, 2011 at 22:10)

i like joe smith's operator vid from last season. video was better IMO. haven't ridden a Kona so i won't go yay or nay, but i am stoked for my v10 Razz

lord of the rings reference was prime, but does the bike turn you invisible?

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BeardlessMarinRider (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:59)

Can't comment on the bike but there's no denying that was a sick video

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toptenrick (Nov 17, 2011 at 11:38)

wow our world is so beutiful riding our bikes in the wilderness ! love it pease keep telling stories of ridring living enjoing our bikes and friends

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speppy2316 (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:18)

i know i am very much an orange person but i think the next bike i shall be getting will be a kona operator !!!

bigburd (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:56)

Same here dude , if my Gambler was to fail on me ( unlikely yes ) this is the bike I would aim for .

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Pikasam (Nov 18, 2011 at 14:01)

Love my 2011 Operator FR. A little disappointed that they turned it into the Entourage for 2012 and left it an orphan - but it's a great little bike. I've crashed and bashed it a fair amount this season (my first in a bike park) and it's held up awesome, very impressed.

My Dawg I have thrashed for three seasons now, that bike's taken some huge offs and is still rolling strong.

The way some of these people talk, you'd think that Konas were the only frames that ever break. I'd only have to look as far as my friend's garage and his trashed Giant and Jamis frames to know that ain't the case ...

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bigalscrap (Nov 17, 2011 at 6:31)

still always the rider....and a patiently set up bike...as you evolve in your riding, you know , different angles, ride heights, tires and pressures,...combine them and like magic, your bike rides like a dream

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neondion (Nov 17, 2011 at 6:41)

aggy and dylan getting some kool lines....and the operator is looking good!

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barnz0rz (Nov 17, 2011 at 21:48)

Anyone else think that if Kona's not doing it already it's time to show Dylan the $$$$$$$$?

danno527 (Nov 17, 2011 at 21:55)

If not for his insane skills, at least for his manly beard.

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biker-Boy808 (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:26)

I have never sat on a Kona....that's probably the only DH bike i have not tried. I think i am going to have to because they look awesome. The pictures were cool! KEEP IT COMMING

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guy38 (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:10)

was hoping for more of a review then a promo but still improving the standard kona have set for themselves lately i hope

lenmerderdenfer (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:23)

What is new, besides the hype? Flashy videos don't cut it because we want the real lowdown before our "not grown on trees" liquids start to flow in your general direction. I used to sell Kona Bikes. For the love of Kona, tell us what you have done to these contraptions since 2011. Thank you.

Downhillrider441 (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:54)

Shorter rear end lower BB height and lower stand over height.

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garethjudson (Nov 18, 2011 at 13:30)

i dont really like konas even tho ive got one. but i have to say the 2012 range looks pretty damn sweet! the operators look awsome and ive heard quite alot about how quiet they are when riding the ruff stuff. i would consider getting one! Smile

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JStoneMan (Nov 18, 2011 at 14:08)

Personally I think this bike is lame. It is just a modified single pivot (out of date). It also has a crazy seat post angle, and a funky looking fame that just looks weak. It also looks like it has a beer gut for some reason. I'm sure it rides just fine, but there are many other options that would ride better for the same (or better) price. Gota say the video and pictures are pretty sweet though.

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Nico-T (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:17)

Looks ace! Great video & photos as well

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tomcrowther (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:17)

One bike to rule them all, kona has a sense of humour and still managed to make dope looking bikes

oodboo (Nov 17, 2011 at 5:52)

One bike to rule them all - Until you try to ride them uphill. Good luck with that Razz

kaijumps (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:29)

its a dh bike....

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striker1990 (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:13)

One Bike to rule them all, One Bike to find them, One Bike to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. RULZ xD!

nomnom (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:23)

One bike to rule them all is alot to say. But I'm glad that Kona has confidence in what they now produce, because confidence will definitely show on their products. So far so good Kona.

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mRcRaZyKiEs (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:21)

again another sick looking bike from kona but must admit the video for last years model was better and made me want to buy an operator more still sick though props to kona

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dirtbagluvin (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:42)

Yeah Dylan!! Good to see you getting more exposure!! Great vid and company- I personally have a FEW friends that work for Kona.....they all are hard-core bikers and shred!!

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NWBorn (Nov 19, 2011 at 6:31)

"Welcom to Kona may i take your order?" Yeah ill have the 2012 supreme operator and a side of the sickest bike being made right now.

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mrdudeman (Nov 18, 2011 at 19:21)

i don't care what the haters and such say, i hope that bike wins some races because it looks sick. shows that kona is getting pretty legit.

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dhowie (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:35)

Not normally a kona fan. Never liked the bikes both aesthetically and the linkage. But had a shot of a mates 2012. And what a difference. Really nice bikes. Smile

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commencal1supreme (Nov 18, 2011 at 12:39)

old konas are best starter bikes that can get trashed around and will still last Smile

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bluezac17 (Nov 17, 2011 at 18:04)

I'm waiting on a "one does not simply shred into mordor" comment, I though the Lord of the Rings theme was pretty chill tho

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RTMSoReaL (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:15)

It seems that kona does some real effort to cr8 good bikes and this starts from 2010 models.I just like them! GJ !!!

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trycycles (Nov 17, 2011 at 15:10)

2012 Saint? Kinda looks a lot like 2010/11 Saint....when are Shimano going to re-vamp this groupo??

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DBomberMan (Nov 17, 2011 at 13:41)

effective video. i now want one

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stillmrg (Nov 18, 2011 at 12:54)

Well i got mine and I think the bike is awesome.no complain till now.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/7396999

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Kawaa (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:21)

awesome video but not so awesome bike but still cool-tommorows vod (kona już o to zadbała -.-)

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propza (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:04)

stiffer than a skyscraper in a windstorm? so it moves 6ft then?

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buckingham32 (Nov 17, 2011 at 4:22)

yes, if the wheelbase was 120 stories long.

propza (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:37)

haha, good answer Smile

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owenomalley (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:07)

DOPE AS FUH

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DownhillerX14 (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:42)

Very nice, best bike on earth!

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EddyDave (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:44)

I might just have... Sorry gotta wipe off my keyboard, brb

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jaketinnelly (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:18)

Cool, now, uh, whens the slope bike released?

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luis-beri (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:28)

great pics!!

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marzocchi170 (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:34)

what happen to dope system????

superpowerphil (Nov 17, 2011 at 6:18)

yeah, where did that torque arm go... Mine still works fine, even after 5 years of hard riding! My Garbanzo Delux might not win beauty contests but it always comes back home in one peice and begs for more.

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Ryanlak (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:14)

Looks like a Kona

ryanf93 (Nov 17, 2011 at 1:32)

Probably because it is a Kona...?

Ruairidh-fife (Nov 17, 2011 at 5:04)

well it not a golf Wink

ryanf93 (Nov 19, 2011 at 14:13)

Haha! Aren't most of the cars in that ad golfs anyway? :s

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samminett (Nov 18, 2011 at 21:51)

first thing i thorght wen i saw it was KONA = SNAP hahahaha and it will poor buggers who race on them Smile

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Mart1121 (Dec 19, 2011 at 13:43)

Has there been eny change at all to the 2011 frame for 2012?

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jackelrider (Jun 5, 2012 at 15:35)

kona the bike to have full stop,the operator just rocks

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NMK187 Plus (Nov 19, 2011 at 19:45)

Love that song, anyone know the name and/or artist?

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yarno (Nov 19, 2011 at 14:25)

sick video best video ive seeen in a while

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chuckmanbob (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:24)

really cool, any news on fixing the problem with snapped toptubes?

hoolydooly (Nov 17, 2011 at 2:06)

Im not sure how many people that has happened to. the one cracked one that i saw had apparently been in an insane crash.

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wesdadude (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:40)

Almost as good as their vid with Joe Smith. First picture looks very flat.

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Cold-Blooded (Nov 17, 2011 at 21:44)

So Sick!

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RannarA (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:13)

I am not big kona fan but this video was amazing.

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johnmorrison (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:22)

Great bikes, Great vids..thanx

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andres555 (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:20)

great location so the bikes

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caiocrz (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:00)

Sick video! Best looking Kona Ive ever seen! Although I wud rather spend the money on some other bike...it doesnt look as good as the other top dogs out there...

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nick-hawkins (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:50)

is crashing and then getting stuck good advertising for a bike? not exactly a high point to finish on.. nice bike though!

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ridindurty831 (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:54)

Too bad the frame snaps where the down tube meats the head tube otherwise I wouldn't mind riding one.

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jordancole (Nov 17, 2011 at 17:11)

getting the operator dh 2011 about a month from now... STOKED

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spencershreder29 (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:27)

i pearsonaly dont like the feel of any of the konas iv ever rode

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pedroa (Nov 17, 2011 at 12:30)

Awesome vid, awesome bike.... loving KON@ !

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gnarbar (Nov 17, 2011 at 8:09)

unreal, Aggy is The Man

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black-fox (Nov 19, 2011 at 5:33)

excellente vid!

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TheoSheridan (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:09)

OMG aggy got some teeth!

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juzam888 (Nov 17, 2011 at 0:40)

but,its kinda same frame as the trek session 8 or 88
what happen to dope system????
kona stinky is my first fulsus bike..... love it..

tic226 (Nov 17, 2011 at 3:23)

Congrats! You're yet ANOTHER idiot judging bikes (in general, not just Kona ones) by their looks and nothing else. I was a bit bored by the comments here, no Kona haters with invalid arguments like usual but jeez, stupidos like you are the best! Big Grin

Hehe, don't get me wrong, you're still an idiot but i laughed so hard when i read your comment, you made my day! Definitely!

superpowerphil (Nov 17, 2011 at 6:22)

wow man, chill out. Not sure here, but I'm pretty sure we still live in a free country that allows us to give our opinions freely. And as far as haters, your the only one so far doing the hating. Just go easy on teh stupid buton there champ. Now for some coffee eh...

baca262 (Nov 17, 2011 at 7:23)

uh, i believe tic226 is simply exercising his right to express his opinion too.

kaijumps (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:31)

@juzam888 - this same argument was posted earlier, trek uses kona's designs

bigburd (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:40)

kaijumps , the kona system may look like treks ( if you have poor eye sight or do the typical forum thing of having one quick look and making judgment call ) but if you look into it it is actually quite different.

baca262 (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:51)

no, kaijumps is trolling ffs.

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fenderdude345 Plus (Nov 17, 2011 at 14:21)

kona sucks their frames are so weak

BLIPDH (Nov 17, 2011 at 20:12)

i scrolled all the way to the bottom just to see idiots like you

shredderk (Feb 2, 2012 at 10:36)

Props BLIPDH.. So true ^^

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benisgod (Nov 17, 2011 at 9:46)

Just shame it's a kona!

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