Renthal Carbon Fatbar Lite - First Look

Dec 3, 2013 at 2:22
by Matt Wragg  





















FIRST LOOK
Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon

WORDS & STILL PHOTOS: Matt Wragg
bigquotesYou need to be careful buying very light, carbon handlebars. - Ian Collins, Renthal, January 2012

When Renthal entered the market for mountain bike handlebars they didn't follow the conventional route. On the moto side their components have been developed from racing for nearly 50 years now and are well-known for having barely an excess gram to be found. With this long history in motocross, they understand better than most that small margins can make all the difference. Yet their Fatbar weighed in at 360g, noticeably heavier than most of the competition. Their reason for this? That was how heavy it needed to be, to be as strong as they wanted it to be.

We visited their factory near Manchester in England at the start of 2012 to take a look at their product development and production. Looking at their testing rigs first hand, it was readily apparent how thorough they are in approaching something like this. As we watched one of their bars go through the cycles on the test rig, Ian Collins, their MTB marketing manager, admitted they had put their competitor's bars through the same tests, just so they could know where they stood in comparison. Prodding him on which bars were good and which bad, he remained silent. The one thing he let slip: "You need to be careful buying very light, carbon handlebars..." So how comes now, just under two years later, Renthal are launching the lightest carbon handlebar in its class?

The First Carbon Bar

Catching up with Ian again as they announce the carbon version of their trail handlebar, the Fatbar Lite, he feels it is something they had to do. "It wasn't really a decision for us, it was a must. We're obviously a premium-level brand and if you don't have a carbon product in your lineup, then you're not fulfilling what the brand can do."

Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon

Details:

• Purpose: Trail/All-mountain/Enduro
• Uni-directional carbon fibre lay-up
• 740mm wide
• 7° back sweep, 5° up sweep
• Available in 10mm, 20mm, 30mm and 40mm rise
• Weight: 180g (for all rises)
• MSRP: $159.99
• Available now


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This is new territory for Renthal. In all those years, they have never before produced a carbon handlebar. In fact they have never produced a handlebar made of anything other than aluminium, the demand simply isn't there with motocross. To work with carbon is a very special skill, to understand how to lay-up the right fibres to create precise qualities of strength and stiffness takes years to master. Ian is utterly candid about this, "If we wanted to do it in-house, then we'd be looking at do this in five or ten years' time when the expertise level had reached where it needed to be. We had to decide who to use a partner to manufacture it. Initially we wanted to keep it in the UK, we spoke to a few vendors, a few manufacturers, but they were all doing small production runs, looking to make carbon products for Formula One and other sorts of motorsport. They were typically falling behind Asia in terms of technology but also, because they were geared up for doing small production runs, the capacity for production just wasn't there for. We're a worldwide company, we sell a lot of handlebars. So the decision was made the decision to go to Taiwan, and we partnered with who we feel is the very best carbon handlebar manufacturer in the world."

Pre-prototype Testing

However, Ian is clear that the new handlebar is not an off-the-shelf job. To start the development they began testing existing handlebars because they wanted to understand how the bar should feel, how stiff or flexible it should be. To do this, they put together a group of four riders and made them ride a loop again and again, with masked handlebars on their bikes so they had no idea what bars they were riding with each time. In the test was Renthals own Fatbar Lite and a selection from their competitors, both aluminium and carbon. They scored them on climbing, descending and cornering and in each of those categories they rated the bar on comfort, control and stiffness. As Ian explains, "We wanted to identify a bar that had the right level of control, but equally had the right level of comfort, which is very important. From that test, the majority favourite bar was the Fatbar Lite aluminium handlebar, which was great news for us, it rated highly in all the categories. From this testing, we wanted to make a carbon handlebar that felt like the aluminium handlebar."

With the data in from the testing the next step was to gain a deeper understanding of the stresses that handlebars go through out on the trail. For this stage they used strain gauges fitted to handlebars and took them out on downhill and cross-country tracks. Testing was done by a broad mix of riders, of all shapes and sizes, from top-level professionals all the way down to beginners to get data on what a handlebar could go through with a broad spectrum if different riders and different riding styles. The two main datasets from this were the peak load the bars went through and the mean load while riding. With this kind of real world information on what a handlebar goes through while riding they could match this to the desired characteristics from the first test and begin to create models of the handlebar they wanted to produce.

Photo Tommy Bause
  Neil Donoghue was heavily involved in the testing and development of these bars. Photo: Tommy Bause/Renthal

Keeping Form

The final step was to give the bar a shape. From the testing they established that they wanted to use the shape of their existing Fatbar Lite. As Ian explains, "We know that's a great shape. We feel that a 740mm wide bar hits the nail on the head for the majority of trail riders. We didn't want to make it wider, because if you make it wider, you need to add a lot more material to the centre. We found the majority of people were running 740, or even less, for this type of bar and by making the bar that little bit wider, those people then have to suffer having to carry a bit of extra weight that they don't need. Something we picked up on, is that the relationship of the position of the first bend to the second bend is very important. When you roll the bar, it stays very neutral. Some handlebars, if you like to roll your bars forward or back, can get a bit funky, the handling gets a bit off. Where the shape of ours is such that it remains pretty neutral when you roll them forwards or back."

bigquotesWe never like to follow fashion for the sake of fitting in with what our competitors are doing.

While many companies are experimenting with 35mm diameter handlebars, Renthal have resolutely stuck with a standard 31.8mm diameter. In their own words, "We never like to follow fashion for the sake of fitting in with what our competitors are doing." Ian goes on to say, "We have a number of reasons for not following this latest standard. Firstly, and most importantly, when looking at the combined package of handlebar and stem, the weight is actually higher, due to the extra material needed for the stem. We have proved with the Fatbar Lite Carbon that they can be made light enough, definitely strong enough and have the right flex characteristics in 31.8mm. By offering a high performance 31.8mm carbon handlebar, the rider can gain these advantages at the cost of a handlebar only, rather than needing the stem to also be replaced. When looking at aluminium handlebars, the disadvantages of an overly stiff ride negates the use of the 35mm standard. We will only adopt a new standard if there are genuine performance advantages for the rider. In the case of 35mm, we feel that where there may be some small gains in certain areas, but when looking at the big picture, the disadvantages are too significant."

The First Prototypes

With the data and the shape from their existing bar, they could create an accurate computer model of the bar they wanted to produce. Once they had the model, it was time to pass it to their partner in Taiwan to lay-up the carbon to match the characteristics of the model. Since the 1970s, we in the West have been outsourcing our manufacturing to the Far East, and while at first it may have been for the cost, if you spend 40 or so years doing something you are going to get good at it. Really good. Today, many of the best carbon manufacturers in the world are in Taiwan, and that experience paid off for Renthal. Ian was clearly impressed with what came back, "We received the prototype back from them, and took it back to the blind field test that we did. We used the same handlebars that we used previously, but also put our carbon bar in there, and then got the riders to score the bars again on the same criteria they used the first time. We got a really positive result from that, the carbon fibre bar turned out to be the riders' favourite. So, it was job done at the first prototype, because we put all the work in before we made any handlebars at all and we had all the criteria laid out. These guys we are working with out in Taiwan are incredible, they really know their stuff. They produced a bar that was exactly to our requirements, so the first proto was absolutely bang-on."

Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon
  The re-profiled taper - Renthal were unhappy with this shape on the first prototype, so had it re-profiled to create a more flowing shape.

Once Renthal had the ride qualities of the bar right, the next step was making it look right. Ian recalls, "We did go through two rounds of prototypes, because we wanted to make a cosmetic change. The oversize centre section extends all the way up to the second bend. By having that oversized centre section, you are able to tune the ride feel of the bar better than if you have a small diameter, you have more material to work with so you can tune the lay-up better. On the first prototype we didn't like the transition between the two profiles, purely as a cosmetic thing. It took a couple of goes to get the graphics how we wanted them too, but structurally, the bar hasn't changed from that first proto."

Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon
Renthal Fatbar Lite Carbon
  The Fatbar Lite Carbon is 740mm wide, with clear cut marks if you want to make them narrower. Like all Renthal bars, there are positioning guides on the centre of the bar, and textured sand to help the stem grip the bar securely. We always like the logos on the aluminium bars, but we reckon it looks even better against the matte carbon. As with all carbon bars, if you look closely you can see the overlapping edge of carbon sheet from the lay-up process.

The Big Question

Of course, the inescapable question with any carbon bar is strength. Most of us have heard the horror stories about carbon bars snapping, and it wasn't so long ago Renthal themselves were warning us about the dangers of ultra light carbon handlebars. Their answer goes back to that reoccurring theme with Renthal: testing. "We are very aware that people's big fear about carbon is catastrophic failure," says Ian. "We wanted to build the handlebar as strong as possible. From the data acquisition, it's very clear that you're never going to break a carbon handlebar in normal use. Your body weight against the handlebar will never snap one, even with the weakest ones on the market, the breakages come from crashes. This means you have to build crash durability into it. We drop-tested our handlebar to the BMX test and quite a significant amount above that. We wanted to know that the handlebar, despite being so light, wasn't going to break. We have to do that because we want to produce the best components possible and you can imagine how damaging it would be to a company like Renthal if there was a breakage of our carbon bars. These are super-tough."

The Fatbar Lite Carbon is available now, and is already shipping out to Renthals distributors. MSRP $159.99. And the good news for anybody looking for something a bit wider is the Renthal are already working on a 780mm DH version of the bar, that they hope to release next year.

www.renthal.com

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211 Comments
  • 118 1
 f*cking hell was you testing the bars or trying to kill niel donoghue with explosives ?
  • 41 0
 the intial ones did add something to the cinematography but the gate was just fucking cool
  • 6 0
 maybe it was cause i watched that at work with no sound, but it was weird. Trails looked sick tho!
  • 3 0
 "We wanted to build the handlebar as strong as possible"
  • 2 0
 Slow-mo 1080p explosions.... I 3 U new PB video player!
  • 11 1
 I'll have to try these. Riding has gotten a bit boring lately with my Easton carbon bars...
  • 15 5
 why only 740mm?
  • 2 0
 I'm going to try some exploding obstacles on my friends next time we ride. Thanks for the idea!!
  • 4 0
 So its true 27.5 inch wheels really do make the trail come to life. Sweet bars.
  • 4 0
 It says why in the article.
  • 5 3
 I thought that video was way too cheesy , and I don't think that was their intention. Looked like the effects they used in Thunder Birds.
  • 1 0
 How many riders will try the stunt on 3:21 and eat it? "Ahh man! It worked in the video I saw last night!"
  • 12 1
 easy way to advertise to Americans, good riding, explosions.
  • 1 0
 These guys may have taken the explosion idea from a skate film a while back. I think it was fully flared. Pretty cool idea still. The intro is worth a check out for any body who's interested in skating
  • 4 7
 740mm! Haha, maybe for XC.
  • 4 2
 740 is fine, I used to use that for dh and they were fine, went to 780 and just can't get used to 740 again but I can understand riders using them in 740
  • 3 3
 What? No exploding sheep?
  • 6 0
 directed by Micheal Bay........
  • 2 0
 That Gate designed for 740 bar and 27,5" wheels
  • 3 0
 This will make them trees think twice before smacking my bars ever again!!!
  • 1 6
flag minty1 (Dec 8, 2013 at 14:35) (Below Threshold)
 I don't know a single rider who runs 740 or less,r&d f*ck up? How long before we see an 800??
  • 1 0
 740 mm is more than enough when you ride in the woods -- sometimes it's even tricky... so forget about a 800! But there's a 780 coming out soon if you're interested. Wink
  • 1 3
 Nope,too narrow,run 800 on dh bike,the norm nowadays,and 790 on trail bike. Big mistake I think not giving the customer the option to cut to their own preferred size.
  • 32 0
 Bestestest video ever. How come noone thought of explosions before Big Grin

I have a Fatbar Lite and they're sweet, the handling is very natural and I considering the carbon has the same sweep it should be an awesome bar! 180g is freakishly light and the price is competitive relative to other carbon offerings. Way to go Renthal!
  • 12 0
 Damn you Renthal .... I need a second job.
  • 6 0
 You've never seen Fully Flared..? The Intro totally rules.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE5Yz_UII1g
  • 2 3
 Fully Flared was the first thing I thought! Great riding in this one but the effects were kinda weak.
  • 33 1
 Something similar happens to me when I eat any food with so much onion: I ride with explosions in my back!. Feel like Nitro Circus...
  • 28 1
 just like Americans with thomson or Canadians with straitline, Ill happily pay that extra bit of hard earned cash to buy a properly engineered British product.
  • 6 5
 Im with you on that but would of personally liked it made in the uk, just a shame they could not source a company to do it mass production
  • 13 0
 thats fair enough but its not as simple as just finding a carbon company and saying build this, the factory they are dealing with in Taiwan has probably been building carbon bars for years and working with carbon in general for much longer, when you design a top of the range product you want the factory with the most experience and skill building it for you whether its in the UK or abroad. in my opinion anyway.
  • 1 5
flag yocheckit (Dec 5, 2013 at 6:03) (Below Threshold)
 yeah
  • 7 1
 Straitline or Chromag Wink ohh Canada!!
  • 12 21
flag prestonDH (Dec 5, 2013 at 6:56) (Below Threshold)
 Properly enigneered? They have contradicted themselves with saying be careful with light carbon bars and they are a company who has never built a carbon bar and do so in Taiwan in under a year or two..... Seems a little sketchy to me. But the price is right and its not to bad looking.
  • 9 3
 Yeah you might have missed the point on this one...i think it's pretty clear to see they're strong bars
  • 9 16
flag prestonDH (Dec 5, 2013 at 9:41) (Below Threshold)
 What is pretty clear, the point that they use some fire crackers and are blowing up pieces of styrofoam painted to look like rocks and wood? Is that your definition of "strong bars"?
  • 16 3
 So you obviously only watched the video and didn't actually pay any attention to the article itself. Nice one
  • 11 11
 Actually I did read the whole article. Are you basing your argument on the statement "these are super tough"? Unless you have some inside information, it does not appear that they have revolutionized the carbon bar, its probably just the same as other bars.

I think you are missing the point, its ironic that they just made the statement that was warning of light carbon bars and then they mass produce some in Taiwan and say they are super tough. They very well maybe, but this article doesn't support that other than statements.
  • 17 10
 I don't get why I am getting neg propped, just because I am pointing out an ironic contradiction of a company? I swear pinkbike is full of immature kids...
  • 7 1
 It is ... that bit is true, but it seems to me that they did this right. Im also almost 100% Renthal would not put their name on a product if they didn't think it was top notch.
  • 5 2
 " We never like to follow fashion for the sake of fitting in with what our competitors are doing "

" We're obviously a premium-level brand and if you don't have a carbon product in your lineup, then you're not fulfilling what the brand can do."

Seems contradictory to me.
  • 9 2
 preston, if the neg props are so immature then why are you letting it bother you to a point of having to comment about it? Just ignore it. I don't really see your issue with the whole contradicting/ironic/whatever you want to call it. It's marketing mate, all companies do it. They're only trying to make there product stand out from the rest, and I think it's safe to say they have!

I get that you commented due to you're annoyance in what they wrote, As am I commenting due to my annoyance at what you wrote Smile
  • 23 8
 once you went for a wider bar you dont wanna go back to narrow ever again...so when i put on a 780mm on my DH bike i hadnt felt comfortable going any more narrow than 760mm. i run a 780mm bar also on my AM/Enduro bike now and i love it...so i dont understand how they ended up with 740mm, at least for nowadays standards. but i got to say it looks awesome and once they make a wider one i'd consider buying it.
  • 4 0
 Because of stress resistance. The wider it is, the more critical it is
  • 5 0
 I run 725 on my hardtial and that feels about right but my dads stumpy far 29er with the 660 feels mad narrow next to my hardtial or yeti with a 760.... I'd say 740 is a solid option for trail/am usage....
  • 4 0
 It will almost certainly happen, presumably they are selling more "lites" than regular ones so went for the lite version first.

I'm not sure about "wider is better". When it was all the rage 4-5 years ago I moved all my bikes up to 760mm, then backed off to 720mm a year later, and now use 740mm. Then again i use grips with no locking bolt on the outside and place my hand right on the edge. It obviously depends on the rider size and style as well as the terrain, but there 760+ is too much for many people.
  • 2 3
 I agree, why not go with 780, and put cut-lines on the ends of the bar.
  • 6 5
 Fufi7 - Oh yes you do... after you hit your hand way too many times into a tree at speed. I started 780, then got 750 for over year, now it's 720. all depends on how dense vegetation you have on your trails. riiz - because 780 bar must be made stronger thus heavier than 740 bar, especially when we talk trail use VS downhill use
  • 2 2
 I understand the aspect of the vegetation and also the fact that it has to be crafted havier and more stable for a wider option..but you still can cut it. Wider bars give me just more balance and most important more security in fast, steep and technical terrain... I dont feel comfortable when i try out narrow bars anymore..of course you can get used to anything. But also from a physics point of view wider bars make sense at least in the described area where i ride.
  • 5 0
 In theory the idea of just making the bars long and letting the customer cut them down seems simple, and I'm sure there really wouldn't be a problem with it, but I would think that you probably wouldn't end up with the best performing bar at the shorter lengths. I'm not an expert but I assume that the entire bar has to be constructed differently if its going to be 780. The clamping areas, tubing and bends probably all need to be beefier/different in order to handle the added leverage of the long bars. So cutting them short might make them stiffer and heavier than they need to be at that shorter length.
  • 4 2
 I think the point missed here is the bar witdh relative to the witdh of the riders sholders. I'm 6'0 with wide shoulders and long arms. A 740mm bar feels awkwardly narrow. I run DH bars on my trail bike and they feel great for my lanky frame. What was silly was 5'6 guys with flat 800mm wide bars. I'm looking forward to seeing the 780mm Renthals coming out soon.
  • 1 0
 I agree with body proportions with regard bike fit. But I also think bars.bikes should be customized to where they ride. I do it in lots of heavy lodge pole and pine single-track. Fast as I can not shit my pants.
  • 20 1
 What? No exploding sheep?
  • 14 1
 Haha.. I think the explosions just sold it for me... was not expecting that !!!
  • 3 9
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 5, 2013 at 3:28) (Below Threshold)
 I think it is a bit funny though to make a video like that to promote just handlebars. It must have been inspired by this vid from UNKLE "heaven". Whatever, their marketing definitley knows what they are doing, they are BIG! Im not going to complain, watching Neil ridign is always a treat, I love his style
  • 2 0
 Some Michael Bay shit right there!
  • 15 1
 Was that promo vid made by Michael Bay?
  • 7 0
 It appears to have been directed and produced by Richard Cunningham's evil twin "Richard Cunynghame"
  • 6 0
 My team and I made the props that exploded. I've made props for Hollywood blockbusters but this was special as I got to work with my mates Neil and Cuny. Had a great day at Revolution Bike Park filming.
  • 9 2
 Damn. Been waiting for carbon Renthals for ages. And now they're almoist her,e they're only 740, and I have to wait another Renthal-year for the DH ones?

Hello, Sixc.
  • 6 1
 i would buy a 780mm renthal carbon bar right now if it was avalable, you just need to come out with a narrow wide chainring now
  • 4 0
 YES. I don't understand why they haven't jumped on the narrow/wide ring...
  • 2 0
 They don't follow trends, but here is a cahbon bah.
  • 2 0
 So…reliable chain retention without a guide is trendy now, but might not be in the future???
It's not a trend, it is a solution.
  • 7 1
 The vid is crazy and original, I like it!
  • 3 5
 Its a ripoff:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlQibJfn0KY
Only a bit cheesy. Some great riding though.
  • 3 3
 Its not original, neg prop all you like.
  • 2 0
 Stuff the product and the explosions, although they were pretty fun, the most impressive thing in that vid was Donny's riding... Every weekend Revolution bike park is full of riders slithering and sliding down those track on full DH rigs spending a fair amount of time on their asses and faces in the mud ( myself included)!! His riding was totally amazing :-) get over there and just try it on your trail bikes if you think your ard enough!! Massive respect to the Don!!
  • 3 2
 "You need to be careful buying very light, carbon handlebars." Let us see how the competitors weigh in, according to their respective websites.

Easton EC90SL XC 135g
Specialized S-Works Prowess XC 160g
Raceface NeXT 175g
Easton Haven Carbon 175g
Specialized S-Works Prowess Enduro 205g
Raceface SixC 220g

Other than the Easton XC flat bar, the weight is about average for a non DH bar.
  • 2 1
 Easton Haven Carbon is 711mm though (I have one and it is sketchy light) Pretty impressive that they were able to produce a bar that is essentially the same weight but 29mm wider and probably stronger.
  • 4 1
 "You need to be careful buying very light, carbon handlebars. - Ian Collins, Renthal, January 2012"
There is no definitive truth.
  • 2 1
 Anyone know where this is? Normally when I hit my bars agains a post i fall off and my lever bends. And if I clip my pedal on a rock, they bend and I crash as well! I would love explode the buggers that normally mess with my bike!
  • 1 0
 One thing I find highly annoying is the lack of any real variety for anything other than the standard 9/5 back and upsweep. I have a Salsa Pro Moto flat 11 degree bar, and it actually feels like it has less angle than my standard 9/5 riser bar. I would be very happy if I could find a riser bar that was a 10/6, or something like that, minimum 680mm width, reasonable price, please. Yes, there are alt bars, which for the most part have extreme bends, and there are Salsa Pro Moto bars, which due to the flatness require longer stems.

Comments?
  • 1 0
 Look at trials bars. Wide with good sweep and rise. Goto tartybikes and look at TOTAL rise, not juat the rise at the bends. I run trials bars on all my bikes because the back and upsweep are more comfy than what'a offered by mtb companies.
  • 1 0
 Rupintart, thanks a ton for that recommendation. I looked at tartybikes and then trialspads and nwtrials, the two latter with which I had been familiar. Yes, I believe trials handlebars would be a great option for me, but the prices are a bit of a turnoff. I also recently found that Salsa now has the Rustler 3 riser bar, 11 back, 6 up, 750 wide, $38 from Universalcycles. That would be within my budget.
  • 1 0
 one of those brands to avoid is ritchey on a low speed as in barely moving flip over backwards coming out of a stream their wcs carbon bars fractured on me on both sides, and the superlogic seatpost cracked riding in the cold and I only weigh 160.....lol
  • 1 0
 I'll happily replace my Fatbars with these and I can cut them down to my preferred 720mm.

The weird thing about wide bars is that after a point the extra width results in decreased, not increased application of force, but continues to give you greater angular accuracy for any given amount of movement. So in reality wide bars are just for thugs who have no finesse over their movements. ;-)
  • 4 4
 Seems a lot of you guys don't understand the basic economics of most goods made in the far east that have low turnover and fairly high development / marketing costs -
Costs £10 to make in Taiwan they sell for £20. By the time Renthal get it they pay £25 for it.
Renthal sell it for £65 to your LBS.
LBS sell it for £129 and then give you 10% - 12% discount. You pay £115
Isn't this how everything that we basically buy in the bike industry works?
If you pay £60 for a part then it cost about £6 to make etc
To get stuff cheaper you have to buy direct (loose a middle man) or get lower costs!
  • 3 2
 Bike shop mark ups are too high. 100% mark ups are unreasonable. That's why online get's so much of my business. I understand why the shops have to operate on that margin, they have to keep the lights on I get it. But they would sell so much more if they even came close in price to what I can get mail order.
  • 3 1
 You two are absolutely deluded if you think a lbs makes over 50% mark up on products. Maybe support your lbs and they may give you a discount as they get to know you but 50%? Ive worked in a shop and one example i can give is if they sold a certain brand headset for the same price as crc then they would have actually lost £5. A lbs simply does not have the same buying power as bigger websites and whilst people continue to support bigger sites over their lbs shops will continue to close.
  • 1 0
 A 50% mark up would be great for my shop but in reality I make very little profit form anything due to the big online companies forcing me to price match.
Us little guys just can't compete. Just think of a future where there are no bike shops around, no more friendly unbiased advice, no more ability to quickly pop out to get some spares and no more mechanics to quickly fix your bike just before the weekend. In short...
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BIKE SHOP
  • 1 0
 I agree, to a point. I think this depends on the area, because I have shops near me who are WAY high on prices. I would gladly pay a bit more but it's substantial. On top of that my local shops don't have good selection of the parts I need, no I can't depend on them to have what Im looking for. Not entirely their fault It's a vicious cycle, people don't buy then they can't stock. It's also tough because I do all of the work on my bike, Im an ex-bike mechanic and certified auto tech so I just don't need service. However, I have recently developed new relationships with some local shops because I broke a frame and realized it's best to have a warranty on that sucker. So I just purchased a brand new complete from a shop and will do that in the future.
  • 3 0
 So that means that you will be able to buy a 35mm Renthal bar in about two years...
  • 2 0
 So upon installing these bars on my bike, obsticles will now spontainiously explode as i ride over/around/through them. Sounds too good to be true!
  • 10 10
 It fascinates me how a "relatively small" company like Renthal could make such a buzz in MTB world that they are everywhere you look. Good looking bars, seems kind of TLD of handlebar world, they are carbon but have this "moto" touch. Only 7 backsweep is going to get your teeth up there over the front wheel going aggro as if you wanted to bite the arse of the guy in front of you Big Grin thumbs up!
  • 7 23
flag mnorris122 (Dec 5, 2013 at 4:36) (Below Threshold)
 The Al fatbars are ugly as fuck, if you want purdy colours and great products, go to Chromag
  • 6 0
 there's nothing 'small' about Renthal ! look into the motor cross scene or even go back to the 80's BMX scene for that matter, they were everywhere even then with their handle bars and lay back seat posts to name but 2 items !
  • 3 0
 Agreed but any big company can make a product and fail, renthal has a small range of mtb and its all taken off. Why? one word.....reliability, reliability is so massive and renthal make parts that are not just on par with performance of the top brands but they are strong and reliable. Weight is a big thing these days but I think renthal do a good job of giving us strong parts we can trust. They seem very reluctant to compromise on performance for weight and I love that. They seem to build parts to last and be abused and as riders we do that pretty regularly. They win over riders because what they give in performance and reliability far outweighs the slight weigh penalty. Let be honest anyway there are riders on bikes 1kg heavier at worldcups and they still beat the lighter bikes. Unless your a rider at your peak weigh is probably insignificant to worry about better off spending the time training than adding up the grams.

I'm glad these guys came into the mtb scene and I hope they continue to stick to there guns of giving us strong reliable parts we can thrash and not worry about.
  • 2 12
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 5, 2013 at 6:21) (Below Threshold)
 I said relatively small, because comparing to a frame, suspension and wheel manufacturers - they are small. Bloody Nukeproof makes more stuff than they do.
  • 2 0
 the 7 degree back sweep is conducive to the current trend in the 'elbows out MX-like' riding style. it's also a great way to increase reach without having to buy a slightly longer stem.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13) (Below Threshold)
 The only thing that matters for your actual reach is the relation between grips and headtube and grips and pedals in 3-dimensional space. Stem and handlebar sweep are interchangeable - if we take the stiffness factor away, it would have no impact what so ever on your reach if you had 50mm stem and 7 backsweep or 100mm stem and 12 deg backsweep. Apart from hands position affecting your elbows and stance - that you mentioned.On a DH or Enduro bike that is off course a good thing to ride "moto" style, but in everyday riding, invlving a lot of seated pedalling a bit more sweep is just more comfortable and may even take the edge of the pain. It depends on many factors. For me for instance 5 up 9 backsweep is the sweet spot for fully for trail riding, and 8deg backsweep for HT or DH. But riding HT requires to be over the front wheel more often and I stand all the time while riding DH - I'd like to try that 7deg Smile
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 thats true. you can also just rotate the higher sweep bars forward to achieve the same thing i suppose
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 5, 2013 at 11:54) (Below Threshold)
 Waki wrote: "Apart from hands position affecting your elbows and stance - that you mentioned". I am pretty sure you could ride quite well with 100mm stem and 12deg bars... what are you trying to prove?
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 Why are you trying to ride with a 100 mm stem?
  • 2 0
 waki you make me laugh. as the great Kelly McGillis once said: "did your mother not like you or something?"
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 you've lost, that love and feeling, oooh that love and feeling, you've lost that looove and feeling, now it's gone, gone, gone, and I can't go on, woh woh woh too doo too doo ta daa da daa da too doo
  • 2 0
 "you're a lot smarter than you look" -Slider
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 Iceman: You can be my wingman any time.
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 So fast everything around him explodes!.............. Speed only attainable with carbon bars no doubt....
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 Its nice, l guess. Too narrow, too many other great choices and too late to the game.
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 Bummer on the width. Even 28" bars feel narrow to me. Why not wider for us tall guys with long reach? Just to get the weight to brag about??? You can always chop off width. I can't glue width back on.
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 28.5 730mm. Either way. My sweet spot for comfort and roundness' is right there.
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 That's nice. It's way too narrow for me. Unfortunately. My trail bike runs 30" bars, my DH bikes were 31". I've got a 78" reach...
  • 2 0
 Sick riding from the Don!! Guys this is just another advert for us all to enjoy, we don't have to out and buy the things!! Just get out on your bikes and ride.
  • 1 0
 This looks amazing! Can't wait for the DH version to be released. I wonder how the Raceface SixC and Enve bars compare to these as now it's a toss up for me between all three of what to go with?
  • 1 0
 sure its revolution bike park, kinda embarrassing, it was only last week i rode there on my downhill bike and he was 1,000,000x faster than me and hes on his AM bike i spose thats why hes pro and im not though
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know who is selling these? Renthal's website says "sold out." They aren't on Jenson, and they aren't on Amazon.
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 There comes a time when your steering become too slow. I run 760 which feels less better to me at least. I reckon 740 would be fine for me
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 agreed, though I feel like backsweep makes a big difference in how wide a bar I can run. I was running a 9 degree 720mm and now am running a 9 degree 780mm, and I can say that I'd love something in the middle: 740mm, 8 degree sweep. too bad, Renthal.
  • 1 0
 Finally some carbon bars with rise! I'll still have to get use to the looks though. But that is definitly an interesting item.
  • 2 0
 What no moaning or whining because of the explosions? Skidding bad, explosions ok?
Pinkbike cracks me up...
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 Skidding bad. Michael bay boom boom epic
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 Typo. First paragraph under the video.

" "If we wanted to do it in-house, then we'd be looking at do[sic] this in five or ten years'"
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 " We're obviously a premium-level brand and if you don't have a carbon product in your lineup, then you're not fulfilling what the brand can do."

" We never like to follow fashion for the sake of fitting in with what our competitors are doing "

Sounds contradictory to me
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 They mean they won't compromise on thier values for the sake of keeping up with the trend. They won't produce an inferior product that weighs less if its compromises on what they want and for them it appears strength is number one not weight like many others.
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 30 and 40 mm rise. Consider me sold! Every carbon bar manufactuer is making low rise bars ( save for CB and answer). Nice to see an offering for us taller riders.
  • 1 1
 It may be a great, light and strong vibration dampening handlebar, but it looks like a packet of Benson & Hedges cigarettes. Bike industry, hire bloody designers with an interest in aesthetics. Please.
  • 1 0
 i wish i would have waited a few weeks i bought the enve ones to replace mine, and these would look way better on my gold and carbon bike, anyone wanna trade?
  • 1 0
 Two thoughts spring to my mind:
1 - wow making that video looked like fun, I'd be down for some of that.
2 - wow mtb is disappearing up it's own ass.
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 Ooh look, that photo in the middle was taken in our garden, here at Pure Mountains in Spain.
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 I'm a little hesitant to buy this 'quality' brand. I've had the Renthal duo stem and despite all the testing and research Renthal put into it it still creaks and groans like crazy. i've tried greasing the bolts lightly, heavily and using different types of grease all with the same result: Excessive creaking after two or three rides. Has anyone managed to solve this problem yet?
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 Yeah, clean and grease the plates as well and that should fix it, i keep mine clean and greased and never had a problem.
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 Mines creak free...never had any trouble with it..
  • 2 0
 You can tell they only had one take to hit that fence
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 Should of called this bar the Prophet .....bet it takes less than £10 to make in Taiwan ....Fat Bar = Fat Profit
  • 4 0
 corporations, maannnnnnn
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 Dang those corporations! Wanting to pay their employees! So greedy!
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 Ahem, shareholders, not employees....
  • 3 0
 How many mountain bike companies are publicly traded? And even if they are, are shareholders somehow evil, or less deserving of income than other people?

If we label a group of people "Jews" or "Roma", or "Wetbacks", we can instantly see the hate involved with singling out a group of people. But we call them "shareholders" and its ok.

Another thing: who are shareholders? If you have a 401(k), YOU are a shareholder, and in more than one company. No one is becoming a millionaire off the mountain bike industry.
  • 3 0
 780 please?
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 Blow up everything you can find, because 'MURICAAAAAA Big Grin





(Like Stan from American Dad said, you're not an American if you don't blow up things for fun)
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 Except they're British...?!!
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 Like explosions? Been done before and better youtu.be/yO2SJmMUr6A
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 I believe these bars are bomb proof to all you skeptics.... Sold!
  • 2 0
 lots of motorbike handlebars experience... one brand i trust!!
  • 1 0
 740 wide? Possibly missed a trick here. They should be offering 760 with cut down option
  • 1 0
 Nice plastic rocks during the explosions hahah
  • 2 1
 MTB videos need more explosions
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 cant wait for the dh version to drop..
  • 1 0
 Bars...what bars?!?! That was one fun video to watch.
  • 1 0
 EN BMX drop test? How it looks like?
  • 2 1
 They look flash as hell! only the rich kids will have some!
  • 2 0
 $160 is actually quite affordable for a wide, light carbon bar.
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 sorry, i can't pay 160 dollars for handlebars
  • 4 1
 Still not as bad as the £200ish for Thomson Ti bars....
  • 5 1
 i agree, but the prices are becoming absolutely outrageous... and no one knows why
  • 4 1
 Not really you can still but all the lower spec parts for cheaper. These are their top of the range parts, of course they are expensive. And no one know why? Its to do with brand positioning, nothing to do with the cost of manufacturing.
  • 5 1
 see, the problem is that all of this is just pure marketing. do you really think that it's the price they're worth? come on, mate, we all know it's not
  • 4 1
 "and no one knows why"

Part of the reason is that there are a lot of people who will pay that price for those bars.
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 They're not designed with the amateur in mind, of course they want everyone to buy them... But they're meant for people who can afford through being a professional face and that need carbon bars because they say "it saves weight" where its not even a noticeable differance
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 It will make the front end a bit lighter, a tiny bit and will feel slightly stiffer. I feel a big difference riding my mates Uzzi with ENVE bars compared to my Havoc aluminium bars.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 5, 2013 at 10:49) (Below Threshold)
 Why do I get an impression that certain people here would welcome only a bike that is like sub 10kg and will cost under 2k quid? That stuff costs money, alright? Some of your dreams won't happen, we've been all stuffed with BS that one day all the pain will go away, all this everyone can be a millionaire bullcrap - wake up! You got the money for nice toys or you buy second hand aluminium stuff, that BTW is not going to make your riding experience any much worse. Great stuff helps but it will always come at a price. Accept the fact that there is always a trade off - What do you want carbon bars or time to ride?
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 I never said anything about the price of Carbon. I could buy 2 sets of ENVE AM 26 laced to Chris King's right now if I wanted to but I can't justify spending that much money when I haven't got the skill to ride them and get any kind of performance increase out of them. The bars on the other hand I would buy right now because I know they make a difference to my riding, just feel stiffer and give me more confidence.
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 huh... we are all having our own experiences and preferences but I assure you that 90% of people would appreciate carbon rims more than carbon bars. Quite honestly if there is anything from carbon that is worth going from aluminum, it is the rims. If there is anything being an unnecessary luxury from carbon, I'd put handlebars quite high on the list with brake levers or rear mech cages. With rims I don't necessarily mean ENVE ones because they are both heavish and expensive. You pay for the legendary name and people working in good conditions and paying taxes in America. I'd say that those latest 33mm wide rims from lightbicycle are currently the best in the business. Wide, between 380 and 440g dpending on how hard you want to ride them, and "only" 170$. If you want stiffness nothing will beat Renthal alu fatbar, these are painfully stiff, I'd say too stiff.
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 That's why I'm saying I can't justify spending £750 per rim as I don't have the skill to get any benefit out of them. I could buy some OTP carbon rims from eBay for like £50 if I look hard enough and will probably feel a huge difference on my bike but I see no point until I can successfully destroy my wheels just through pure riding and not smashing them up from crashes.
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 If there only was more people like you, world would be a better place. Cheers!
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 I used to be all about putting carbon on bikes cos I thought it would enhance my abilities but all it really does is make it less skill based until you get to the point where it would benefit your riding due to your skill level and trying harder hitting things and needing to make the rear end stiffer etc.
  • 1 0
 it's gonna shatter if i use it cuz its carbon!!! Big Grin hahaha
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 xmas pressy for the 951
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 Dammit just got a Sixc Frown ..please take my money Renthal
  • 1 0
 what's wrong with sixc??
  • 2 0
 Nothing TBH but since i'm running a Renthal stem i would've liked to keep it in the family
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 They talk about expertise in making carbon work ...yes I agree there's been a lot of R and D done ...so just lay out some money for the machine ...load it up and press the big green button ...hey presto a handle bar you can charge us a massive amount for and make a big fat profit ...sorted !
  • 5 4
 lot of money for something made in taiwan
  • 2 1
 I wouldn't pay more if built anywhere else. (and I would pay much cheaper if made in France!)
  • 4 0
 80% of all bike parts are made in Taiwan.
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 BIKESPLOSION!!!
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 When I get carbon fiber components for my bike, I want it to look like carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is an amazing and beautiful material, why hide this beautiful material by making it look like some inexpensive aluminum bar?? Regardless, the bar seems to be of high quality, too bad it doesn't look like it.
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 If you can see this comment it means my PB suspension is up ....
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 Mount Zoom carbon bars 740mm 165g(ish) £80 and none of that shite gold colour that renthal persist on...almost as bad as mavic and yellow.
  • 1 0
 Magic yellow was choice Tho.
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 Oh shut up, being anti cool anti new trends is all the rage.
I prefer my bars at 780, I like it more than anything less and more than anything more.

Your opinions mean sweet f*ckall to me.
  • 1 0
 Moral of the video..... Never eat Mexican food before you ride!
  • 1 0
 all the hype and no tech data going off the edit, not great
  • 1 0
 i wish shit exploded when i ride my trails, sucks to be the guy behind me
  • 1 0
 All rises are the same weight? I smell BS.
  • 1 1
 Every video on pinkbike should be required to have pyrotechnics!!
  • 1 0
 Small!
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 nice exploding they mused have look at the bars
  • 1 0
 Sick VIdeo xD
  • 1 0
 Awesome!
  • 2 1
 best video EVER!
  • 1 0
 I LOVE EXPLOSIONS.
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 Sexy. Big Grin
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 Hollywood mountain biking
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 740 nar need 160 better all round for all riders
  • 1 0
 I don't know what you are saying?
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 Sorry I mean 760 not 160 . Got fork travel on my brain lol
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 740mm wide? 765 is the minimum for me
  • 1 0
 looks like theres nothing here for you
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 760 should be standard, then cut to pref. From there.
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 Only in lancashire do trails explode under your wheels! Go on lads!
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 Err this is Powys, Wales
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 Ah hell knows, thought they mite have done it local like. Either way sick hell.
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 Too narrow Frown
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 Narrow for DH yes but for AM? - I'd say thats a perfect width for AM
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 Did you read the article? "And the good news for anybody looking for something a bit wider is the Renthal are already working on a 780mm DH version of the bar, that they hope to release next year."
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 I don;t change bar width based on the bike - always 780.
Ryan - no missed it Frown
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 F me in the face, 780?! Thats like...very wide for me. I run 740 and I can't imagine wider, but I will give it a go and see what it feels like.
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 I like mixing it up and riding my AM bike on "DH" tracks.
Also, I found that I keep getting squirly and jack-knifing in corners if I have my bars cut narrower.
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 Unless you're concerned about weight or have an extremely short wingspan, wider is always better. Mountain bike handlebars have gotten progressively wider across the entire spectrum of riding. A wider bar increases your stability and control on downhills and opens up your chest for breathing and also gives you more leverage on climbs. I will be waiting for the Carbon fatbar.
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 Bar length is a personal preference and also greatly depends on the person. Preaching "wider is always better" is just flat out wrong. Too wide of bars can greatly inhibit your ability lean and move side to side on your bike, which to me has much more effect on “stability and control on downhills” than the slight increase gained with a little wider bars.
  • 1 0
 True, but they've also gotten sharper on backsweep. which is part of why we can run such wide bars nowadays. and I'm not sure 7 degrees is gonna cut it after riding 9 degrees.
  • 4 1
 I really don't get the "opens up your chest" thing for wide bars. I've tried them, and while they have obvious benefits, breathing wasn't one I noticed. If that was the case, you'd think roadie and cyclocross bars would be going wider (esp cx cuz aerodynamics is less of a concern), but they obviously have no troubles with breathing. And many (most?) xc race bars are sub 680mm too (or into the mid 500s), no breathing problems there either.
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 I love how some people are completely set on the idea that you CAN"T use anything narrower than like 760 without riding like a total weenie...... The average trail around here has a dozen spots where you can't fit anything wider than 720mm.... I used to use 760 but I've gotten so much faster since I dropped down my 711mm easton havens.... a lot of enduro riders seem to be shortening their bars too.. I raced the green mountain enduro this year and it seemed like everyone had under 760.. hell the overall winner (adam snyder) was using narrower bars than me I'm pretty sure... I find it way easier to wheelie with narrower bars as well (im thinking because I can use less of my body to pop the front end up)
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 @shredjekyll spot on, and I've noticed that with the wheelies too. Plus there's the added benefit of not crushing knuckles every time I duck into the tight trees. Don't see myself going back down to 580s for everyday riding, but I also hate having my arms way out to the sides and losing the ability to weave, twitch, and jerk though tech stuff.... but then again these are things you only do in 26er xc riding, which we all know is dead now Razz
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flag waxyfeet (Dec 5, 2013 at 10:43) (Below Threshold)
 Christ shredjekyll and bkm303, talk about storm in a teacup.

Seemingly, your reading comprehension is woeful, or you have a flair for the dramatic, so I'll try type in caps so you can understand:
NO ONE SAID CANT - I SAID I PREFER 780.

I ride better with my bars @ 780 than I do with my bars narrower, get over yourselves - dismissing personal preference for the sake of sounding superios on the internet is just dickish.
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 lol... "dismissing personal preference for the sake of sounding superior on the internet is just dickish"... you literally dismissed thousands of peoples' personal preferences by labeling these bars at 740mm as "Too narrow Frown".....

Neither BKM nor I dismissed anyone's preferences..... we just chimed in with our opinions...

If anything, you should have been more careful with your original post and said "I ride better with my bars @ 780 than I do with my bars narrower" instead of just "too narrow"..... hypocrite
  • 3 1
 "Your opinions mean sweet f*ckall to me"..... i guess that makes you a dick using your own definition!
  • 4 1
 Storms in teacups indeed, supercow. Everyone was lightheartedly exchanging opinions til you got your f*cking panties in a wad. Nobody said you were wrong for liking 780+, I just said I don't buy the breathing benefits (also an opinion), and jekyll noted anecdotally that people in enduro races seem to go narrower than 780. Seems you just wanted something to cry about though.







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