Video: SRAM XX 1 - CHAPTER 2: ENDURO

Nov 15, 2012 at 5:34
by Matt Wragg  









68 Comments

  • + 43
 nearly ¬£300 for the XX1 Cassette alone? f*ck that.
  • + 10
 get a hammerschmit and a 6 speed cassette. More reliable, less unsprung weight.
  • - 1
 Invented a 12 speed too!
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 This whiney crap happened when XX came out four years ago... ten speed cassettes have trickled down. You can get them at the X5 & Deore price levels now. In a few years, they'll be cheaper 11 speed cassettes.
  • + 2
 nice marketing words as well.
  • + 2
 yeah they will be cheaper and weigh 10 lbs.
  • + 1
 I freakn love the hammerschmit!
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 NO need for 11 gears in the words of ALI G ..KEEP IT REAL!..
  • + 1
 Isn't having bigger cogs on the cassette the key selling point of XX1 ? Why would you make a video showing only DH then?

Mind = blown.
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  • + 23
 Bet now, 2012.11.15, that this is every bit as much the future of mtb as adjustable height seatposts.

Bring down the price, please, and make the rear axle compatible with other standards (for a slightly shorter cassette spread, perhaps).

Just clearly the way to go. Thanks for thinking about what is needed SRAM tech people. Cool.
  • + 4
 I don't think this is the future of mountain biking at all, I think it's the past that just won't die. When can we move away from derailleur centric drive trains please? This 'technology' is almost a century old.
  • + 20
 No, the future is a 48-9 15 speed cassette with a single ring crank I think. And the rear derailleurs will be hydraulic because it will be impossible to adjust 15 gears properly with a cable. Everything will be carbon, even the 15 speed chain and cassette. Cassette can be made from a single piece of coal I guess. This will be the last groupset that Sram is going to make. Its name will be SRAM_XXX.
  • + 5
 zorba73 internal gears are much older than derailleurs, but we are still chained to these road bicycle brands and their standards of reliable drivetrains.
  • + 9
 The future, for enduro and DH it will be gearboxes. These fancy derailleurs will do a dang good job, but they too will pass. Imagine never missing a shift, never crashing and bending something, never having your chain fall off and never again having chain slap. All of that is possible with a well designed gearbox bike. Watch, the future is coming.
  • + 10
 I have similar feelings to zorba...but with cars. I mean, seriously, they're archaic, and just won't die. When will we have personal transportation that doesn't limit us to being gravity's bitch? And rubber tires? Those things wear out...clearly this 'technology' is preventing us from progressing as a society. But, I'm too lazy to do anything about it, so I'll just moan annoyingly until someone else takes the initiative to resolve these meddlesome problems.
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 @ assfault: HAHAHA you totally beat me to it! It's funny how people complain about the advancements sram has made with XX1 yet they don't even think twice before buying a set of spoked wheels. Why won't spoked wheels die? WHY?!

Go build your own bike parts and then come back so we can make fun of them.
  • + 1
 Who told you this? How do you know these secrets are you a witch doctor?!?!?!?!?!?
  • - 1
 Not really guys. Some things dont need to change drastically, other thing's do. Evolution of components is fine and necessary until some thing revolutionary comes along. There really is no reason why the big manufacturers won't develope (release) a viable alternative other than there's still a tonne of money to be made from flogging a dead horse.
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 'Flogging a dead horse' is an idiom for doing something that will not succeed or work... which in the example you've given doesn't make sense as cassettes and derailleurs DO work, just apparently not to your futuristic standards.
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 @skierdud89: Just break away from the spokes man, Ive been running these on my trail bike for years

www.woodworkscraftsupplies.co.uk/images/SMALL%20WOODEN%20TRAIN%20WHEEL.jpg

Never get a loose spoke, never had air burp out, and I don't have to worry about rocks dinging the rim. Truly the future.
  • + 1
 One day gear boxes will fit with in the BB shell , BB shells may go up in size to accomodate this but I really think this is the way it will/should go.
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 Gah, almost tired of hearing about this, because i want it, but can't justify the price. get to work on an X-9 version for us dirtbags!
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 I honestly don't think an X9 version would be that much cheaper at the moment. But I'm with ya, it would go on my bike in a heartbeat if I could afford it!
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 2 or 3 years to see trickle down to x-9 and or x-7? that's not too long to wait... i guess i can nurse my current stuff until then!
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 +1 for groghunter. Tired of hearing about it and having just invested in 1x10, am not going to buy a new system any time soon.

If anyone wants to make me a 104mm BCD chain ring with those funky teeth on, and a 10 speed 9-36 cassette, I'd have that.
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 I just love listening French people talking about MTB racing. They have the best attitude ever.
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 not convinced. Working on BB sized gearboxes (like hammerschmit) to make a more reliable ride makes more sense. Derailleur tolerances get too tight. At this point a hammerschmit style gearbox lets you have more variety on a 6 speed cassette than this does, with potential for a wider spread on the spokes (lateral wheel stiffness), a less touchy derailleur with all the benefits of a 1x setup. You can drop unsprung weight, increase reliability and longevity, and give a big boost to overall performance.
Less derail-able chain, not more guys. Stop drinking the koolaid. KISS principle please!!!!

What I want to see is a hydrostatic version of the hammerschmit.
  • + 4
 This is the first "anti XX1" comment I've seen that actually has legitimate thought behind it. A small almost road cassette in the rear could accomodate a short cage der. and keep it up out of harm and still give you the gear ratios. Not to mention the benefits you pointed out by bigger distance between hub flanges.
  • + 2
 the issue with gearboxes is as the parts get smaller and the space available drops, the resistance to pedalling goes up, if you've ever ridden a hammerschmit AM in the "big" gear it's like dropping your tyres by 10-15PSI with no gain in efficiency anywhere else!
  • + 1
 Legitimate concern for sure, I want to see better hammerschmit. They are probably working on if.
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 I could see a 1 x 11 being advantageous for very specific purposes, such as Enduro and aggressive All-Mountain, but less beneficial in other applications, such as DH or XC.

To me, I don't see this a bringing out new standards to replace the old ones, outdate our gear, and force us to spend money. To me, I see this as the industry recogonizing specialized sub-sets or niches within the category of "mountain-biking", and desigining specialized gear to meet the needs of those specific sub-sets.

This is a good thing. Now, all I need to do is find more money for all the toys I want.
  • + 6
 have you seen the amount of xc racers that have 1x10 already, well over half the field
  • + 1
 Well said stever.

@rhiwfawrdirt: did you even understand what he meant? XX1 isn't just 1x10 with an extra gear in the back so I'm not sure what your point is.
  • + 1
 with xc the wide gear spread would be nice...
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 @ rhiwfawrdirt:

Maybe you're right. I suppose, if a 1x11 setup was lighter than a 2x10, competitve racers might want to go that route. Having said that though, I suspect it would be most attractive to the highest level of elite weight weenies, whereas, I suspect your every-day recreational xc rider and casual racer would probably benefit more from the wider gearing options of the traditional 2 or 3 ring and front derailleur set-up, then they would from the minor weight reduction.
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 Why can't manufacturers put this technology on 1x9.
The chains last longer and they are generally more reliable.
I wonder if this is an excuse to just sell people things?

Nothing beats someone on a 1k bike rip someone on a 6k-8k bike.
I love the fact that with mountain biking the pilot makes such a big difference.
  • + 2
 hahahaha yup! love watching young guys on mountain bikes go past 40 year old guys on pinarello dogmas like they're standing still riding up the road of our local mountain
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 @betsie

If you have the money, what's wrong with people having a 6k-8k bike? Of course there'll be people out there on 1k bikes that can rip past somebody on a more expensive one, but that doesn't that person should go buy a cheaper bike. Not everyone who drives a ferrari can drive like Alonso or Massa? Should they go out and by a Punto?
  • + 1
 You can of course buy whatever you like, whatever your wallet allows you to buy. It is your choice.
I have a few nice bikes, nowt wrong with that, just the wife gets on at me for it Smile
  • + 1
 Never had a XT or XTR 9 speed chain break on me... ever. Though I did break a couple 9 speed KMC's and blew apart a couple 9 speed Sram Powerlinks. I can't help but think that going to narrower chains is a ploy to get ppl to buy more chains.
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 Triple-X from above, funny!LOL! I too live and die by the 1x9 but I am opened minded about the 1x11. Like every one else the price is the limiting factor for now but I will just be patient and when the time is right my next bike will be speced with this system. 1x9, 1x10, 1x11, sounds like we are talking about lumber. Bwah! Hah! Ha! As you were gentlemen.
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  • + 4
 X9 version with an 11-40 or 11-42 cassette so it compatible with existing cassette bodies, and match it to 32-38 chainrings with a normal BCD. That would be spot on!
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 Jerome - sick guy. Not so serious and boring all the time. Always looks happy and light-hearted, yet still clearly very competitive on the quiet. I'd buy his sponsor's products based on that
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 I think AM riding (aka aggresive trail, enduro, bc singletrack, "honey, I'm headed out for a ride with the guys"...or whatever else someone wants to label their target demographic to assist in sales) is an area that is really growing. The idea of a larger spread, less overlap in gearing, access to more secure chain guides and ring protection on a single ring, and no annoying front derailer and all the hassles that go along with that is a great idea. I'm excited about it...just not willing to pull off the XO and spend an ass tonne of money to replace it with this. As with all new MTB products, if you don't think its a great idea for you're unique style of riding, likely because you ride in a way that is dramatically different and way more [insert current MTB adjective such as steezy, gnar, epic, etc.] than anyone else, then don't worry about it and go on with your day unaffected. I look forward to when this filters down and generalizes or to selecting my next bike with this product in mind and see it as beneficial for me if it works as advertised.
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 At 0:55 thats a good tactical enduro racer right there, creates the dust cloud and next guy slows down
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 SICK! Im very lucky to see with my own eyes that same bike. I think that worth the spending on XX1, smooth precision shifting and never drop the chain Big Grin im looking forward to see that machine working on the track this weekend!!
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 So does this mean that the front chainring is backwards compatible? Jerome mentioned he was testing it before going to 11 speed cassette.
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 I really didn't want to like this drivetrain. It is stoopid expensive. But the more I see and hear about it the more I want it. Combine the chain ring retention and 11 cogs from this with shimano's shadow plus on the rear and trigger feel, and you just might have the perfect drivetrain.
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 does he run his forks really soft?? they looked almost bottomed out on the smooth stuff
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 What allows him to ride without a chain device, the Clutch type mech or the XX1 setup...???
  • + 1
 clutch + special chainring. I have SLX with clutch and Im really impressed (it basicaly allows me to run front mech without chain guide) would love to get that chainring... but Why TF 11sp... hope some guys (like HOPE) will try to do such chainring for 9sp and 10sp on their own
  • + 1
 O great, I've got the clutch type too and I'm still running a full chain device, I'm going to change that now then.. Save weight Smile

How does the ring do that special job then, the ring holds the chain down to itself? Is there any diagrams or something that I can look at?
  • + 2
 Just read the whole XX1 article and seen the new teeth design - - - "Clever girl"
  • + 1
 I say: kudos to you for not reading it at first, but well now it's done anyways - feel better with all that knowledge inside? changed your life forever? Smile


Not taking the piss out of you but of the way the e-cyclists brains work - Step 1.must know moar about bikes - Step 3. Success and happyness - eee what about step 2? - dunno
  • + 2
 I'm using an XX1 chainring on a 10-speed system. XX1 chainring and spider on an X0 crank.
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 I don't want a f***ing cassette as big as a goddamn frisbee plus wont that thing inevitably wreak havoc on freehubs???
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 Man i really wanna give 1x11 a try but chances are ill never get to with a price tag like that
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  • + 1
 BIKE at 3:48, props to him if he did the mountain of hell on that!
  • + 1
 I think that's Frank Schneider, he wan the Megavalanche Masters on a hardtail.
  • + 1
 I can hear Aretha Franklin going R-E-S-P-E-C-T
  • + 2
 i see joe barnes would be nice to see more of him around pinkbike =]
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 ....3:48 a hardtail!
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