| Look at me you know what you see? You see a bad mutha. - James Brown |
Five out of six stage wins this weekend for Graves. He was quite simply the boss this weekend. Really there is little else to say about the 2014 series champion and now he has a win under his belt aboard his new Specialized bike, don't be surprised to see him challenge at all the remaining rounds this season... In the women's race it was business as usual for Cecile Ravanel, sweeping all before her once more. In the Under 21 category the Dailly vs. Claquin dogfight dominated once more as the two French youngsters traded stage wins all weekend, to finished tied at three stages apiece, but with Dailly edging ahead with his lead from day one.
// UNDER 21 RACE // WOMEN'S RACE // MEN'S RACE
MENTIONS: @davetrump /
@mdelorme /
@mattwragg
When he's on the podium, he'll get the press.
When you open your eyes you will find that altruism doesn't exist. We always act in a way that can contribute to our own interest. Standing by the edge of the abyss I say: We all die in the end so make this life count. Each day the light is fading more and more.
Where were we... AaaH! Pay respect to
that dude or you bunch of insensible a-holes! Ok ok... Yes baby, I forgot to take my meds... I am the child of the Stars, son of Rand and Neitzsche! Schveinhuuund!
Pink bike should give the lesser known riders and bikes a good mention.
@SteveDekker maybe you should head over there too and whine to them that you've never heard of him
You fanboyz crack me up just kiss his face on the poster in your bedroom and go to school.
We can't please everyone, but we do our best
To be honest i couldn't care less that hes from the UK, it just speaks to how bias the media around a marketing driven sport is.
The quality of the photos is outstanding as usual.
No industry marketing conspiracy
And Curtis has been around for over a decade, and one of the first American riders to promote enduro on the World Stage. He has earned all the coverage he had received over many years.
A stage win doesn't make you famous or a household name overnight. But it's a good start.
We simply ran other shots of other roders, and for reasons already stated.
@davetrump: I get it, can't have everyone but by his own admission, Blenki (I know, not a top EWS but a hell of a racer/rider) was really gunning for stage 6 as the most downhill of the bunch and took 2nd on the stage. This does feel a bit personal somehow - for Matt, that's how the world works so make friends!
Your responsive to peoples' (frankly justified) surprise that Matt has no mention comes across as a little defensive, and untactful. The way I see it is that you could have taken one of two routes here: agree with Cunny (@RichardCunningham), or say something like "oops, well spotted, Matt had a stormer of a run. We'll keep our eyes pealed for him at the next round".
Finally (i'm sorry if this seems like rant, I'm really just interested and writing down my thoughts), I'm not buying the "they were all taking it easy argument" ...Sure Graves was, rightly so. Maybe Lau, maybe, but, the rest of them... Nah!
(Average position over first 5 stages - position in stage 6)
JC: 8.2 - 7
Maes: 6.6 - 8
Keene: 7.2 - 6
Absalon: 9.6 - 11
Oton: 14 - 12
Melamed: 9.8 - 4
Kelly: 16 - 10
Carlson: 17.5 - 21
These guys were not taking it easy! ;-)
When I watched Wyn's feed it kinda looked like the guys who where jumping that last jump to flat and nearly crashing in the last couple orders were trying a little eh?
Lots of riders have won random stages over the years, some have been featured in photos and some have not.
I think you are missing whats wrong with this whole argument. A select few people who happen to be fans of one rider, or simply "expect" certain things are angry that we did not do exactly as they would have liked. It's just so easy and convenient to come on here in the comments section and tell people what they did wrong, what they missed and what you would have done differently. Even more rich is digging though archives to feed your arguments without any context (Keene, Jesse, etc)
We have lots of photos of Matt... and simply decided to focus the story elsewhere. As I said before, he was outside the top 20 all weekend and coverage is never "mandatory" based on some scripted criteria.
And YES... every rider in the top 5 overall said they took it easy on the last stage because they thought it was to risky to push for extra time. Facts taken from actual interviews on site at the race face to face with riders. Pretty hard to argue with that, but if you insist....
It's brutal out there.
Im not a butthurt fan for wanting a massive media outlet to give impartial coverage instead of shooting their bros.
Please note. At no point in my comment did I criticise you, at all. I employed tact you could say - something which you have once again failed to achieve.
Out.
Again I am sorry we did not post a photo of the rider who got 22nd (his best over overall finish)
It's awesome he won a stage, and hopefully it gives him some confidence and his results improve. But as stated winning a stage doesn't automatically ensure headlines.
I hope you guys still enjoyed the coverage
You had the photo, what is adding one more to the post? While I hear your rationale - to win even a stage at this level is amazing. Especially so when you are paying (in one way or another) to do it...
While comments alone may not indicate doing something "wrong" or "right" it does serve as some sort of data point...
Saying "sorry, we should have thrown one up" - or "maybe we'll highlight him soon" is a lot better than "his results don't cut it" - cause we both know that's not true.
I never said it was easy, but there are no medals for 20'th place, how about the guy who got 10th, or 15th or 19th.
They didn't get a lot of press either. All did better than Your boy.
Instead of celebrating a strong Graves victory, 5 bullets is pretty darn good; you are all whining because your guy didn't get his picture taken.
Grow up.
But all these excuses are beneath you, just admit you dropped the ball and move on... And stop blaming nationalism for it to.
Other sites managed to do it, so there is zero reason why you guys couldn't either.
Also, as to your "facts" and "reasoning" for not including a guy won a stage with the worlds best riders (I know, I know, you seem to have "insider info" that negates that), but I thought the same same as @joel4 , and it turns out it is true! Many of the top riders, 6 of the top 10 overall finishers in fact, were in the top 10 for the last stage, and that doesn't seem like cruising. But I guess the win doesn't count because you have it on good authority that the top 5 guys walked down the trail. Even though one of the top DH guys, in Blenki, had absolutely nothing to lose and was surely gunning for that spot. Maybe he went easy because he wanted his countryman to win? No matter that before your reasoning was that he didn't crack the top 20 on any stage except the last, even though that's not true and in real life, at the race you covered, he did crack the top 20 in 2 stages with a 20th on both stages 2 and 5. Oh, and that pesky 1st for stage 6). And again, there were photos in the Elite Men section of other riders outside the top 20 in this race and well back of Stuttard in the overall standings. I don't know, maybe you have good reason why these actual facts don't count against your set of seemingly blurted, impulsive, and defensive "facts" (funnily enough, very Trump of you, by the way, way to rep your handle!) and by the progress of this thread and others in the past that you've been involved in (why didn't you just use the slow internet one to blame lack of pics or pic quality on, like that one EWS stop last year where you got similarly defensive, can't remember which, and not going to search for it, wasted enough time on this already) maybe we'll hear those reasons, too. Sorry for the snark, Dave, I'm sure you're not a terrible guy, and very probably a good guy or I'm sure PB wouldn't keep you around, but the way you've handled this thread, and others in the past you have filled with defensive snark, really force these reflections of your manner of interaction with others. You've earned it. Do with it what you will.
I'm an American by the way, lifelong so far as I remember, and don't know Matt Stuttard from Matt Delorme, but Dave may tell you that, because my wife is from Vancouver and her mother is a Brit, I also count as Mr Stuttard's countryman by association. Whatever, you've been warned so take this next bit for what you will, because I really do think it's the important thing in all this:
Matt Stuttard, damn good show ol' chap, keep up the good work! Hope all the momentum, literal and figurative, caries over as you head north to Whistler! Unless of course Dave has it on good authority that you eat puppies for breakfast, and absorb their should like the Highander to gain your newfound speed... that I cannot abide Cheers all, go ride some bikes!
Congrats Matt on your win and I hope it sets you up well for the future...
Also, I live a fairy tale life now, similar to Dave's in many regards, in that I get to do a job, 3 actually, that I love. Every. Single. Day. Yet the work I do in all cases, well, very very few people understand what actually goes into it, so it can be easy sometimes to bristle and fire off half cocked at any criticism. I've learned over the years though that every so often these criticisms are warranted and I'd be missing valuable opportunity for personal and sometimes professional growth to just wholesale dismiss all criticism for the reasons "You don't know me!" and "You don't know what I know". Because sometimes who we are and what we know blocks us from seeing something that is readily apparent to an objective observer. It's up to us to keep our ears open and then discard the crap and weed out the valuable tidbits though it may hurt our egos sometimes.
Again, as I said above, and mean it honestly, even with the teasing both before and after, I don't think Dave is a bad guy (or else aren't we all, really), but do think the drubbing he's taking here is self imposed, and pretty well deserved. I'm not saying we all meet those standards on every interaction of every day, I'm just saying maybe it's not a best practice to willfully, and repeatedly, strive to thwart them. That, and once it's absolutely clear we've obviously gone way astray, have some humility and throw up a mea culpa, that's all. I've had to, I'm sure we've all had to. Anyhow Waki, cheers man, thanks for all your entertaining input in the comments sections, nice to know there are other mischievous souls out there questioning, making others question, and generally lighting up, and when needed lighting on fire whatever corner of the world they inhabit at the time. I guess I feel a bit honored to have made it into your crosshairs!
You are all petulant little wankers, a pox on all your houses!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js
Where's your sportsmanship? No congrats for Jared or Cecile or Adrien? No mention of the quality of the event, the stages or the racing? No... The first and only thing you've said was that the guy who finished outside the top 20 wasn't included. He won a stage yes, maybe he should get in maybe not as there are reasons for both. We presented our reasons and as a team stand by it for better or worse and despite the personal insults.
Enthusiast press strikes again. Cliquey to a fault as always in MTB coverage. @joel4 had the best response in this thread.
@davetrump went through a lot of shovels digging this hole.
Seems like you lot have just projected your emotions back onto the editors and have chastised them for not providing exactly what you want, and then not dropping to their knees to apologize to you for it.
No photo of a guy on a website for getting 20 something in some race. Call the whhhaaaaaambulance that no one cares but a few keyboard heros.
Delorme & Trump(ore) for president
T H A N K Y O U
First y'all were all fists out about not getting included, then when you get reasons you say "oh maybe those are good reasons but I don't like how you said them" How is Waki the only one making sense? if thats the case y'all are way off the mark.
hah but in all seriousness, sick race, and nice job by Matt on stage 6. Overall, the article was pretty sick too, so credit and good vibes all around from me.
Do all of you haters understand what even goes into getting these images taken? Shooting all day, up earlier than the riders, interviews, intro shots, pit shots, up on the tracks before the riders, on the track until all the riders have gone by, oh what, they have to get themselves around too. Add to that finishing up with more interviews and shots that show the vibes of the race. Back to the media room to get editing, maybe some food to refuel after the massive day if they get time, more editing, sorting, editing, editing. Decide which to post between Dave, Matt and Matt. Write something creative about the day. Photo captions. Putting them all into the blog in an order that flows - it's harder than you may think. Finalise and send off to get double checked and published for you add for FREE just HOURS after it happens. Next up each of the photographers have certain teams they work for that they have to get photos to immediately.Hours upon hours of work crammed into the limited time between sundown and sunrise the next morning. Oh wait, they need sleep! Looks like they're not getting any with that work load. All of you please quit your complaining and be grateful for what you have. A lot of effort for what seems to be pointless right now with all of you haters. Such a disgrace.
I'm not at all saying that the rider shouldn't have been mentioned, but there is no reason he definitely had to be. Shit happens, these things are on a strict time limit so there's no point getting fired up if Dave or the others miss one moment of the day.
@davetrump: There's some out there who actually understand what it takes to cover a race and then 99.9% of pink bike's users have no idea. It seems like that 99.9% of users are all commenting here. I'm glad that I am that 0.1% who appreciates what you do! I hope to meet you in Cairns next year if you come this time
How do you downplay 22nd place? No offense Matt, ya had a good run in there in the process, and ya probably have more fans now than if they ran a photo of you next to guys that won
Our honor, out valor must prevail Hector, the treason of Asgar, the cowardness of Kalahar cannot continue, we shall have our revenge! Our brothers at Grimeton showed us howto fight and die with honor! Borock my friend! They will respect us, we shall leave a legacy!
Jarad is a great Warrior indeed, but the victory our fellow brother Matt is not much spoken about in Galaghad! His honor must be defended, for he deserves every bit of it! The fould Steward of Pinkbah Davos Trumpmoir has defiled Matts honor for the first and ladt time. Rise my fellow warriors! Take your keyboards! Tonight we fight! Let No key be unpressed! Davos shall fall, justice will be broughtback to this dominion! Mountain Biking shall be great agaaain! We will be spoken of as Matts companions! We are Heroes!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Fact is that the coverage is incopmlete if a stage winner is nowhere mentioned.
It is totaly unprofessional of @davetrump to defend himself the way he did (desrespectfull for one mans win).
Good photos are not the only ingredient in order to make a proper race report...just saying...
1) Matt had the stage of his life. He's a privateer, and everyone likes a good privateer story. He wasn't included in this article.
2) Dave Trumpour (hope I spelt that right bud) is an incredible photographer. The pictures on here speak for themselves. He had to work far harder than most of us realise to produce this and other articles. He's probably tired. He chose not to put a picture of Matt on here for the reasons given.
3) He was questioned why, and gave a response that wound a few up. I sit on the side that he was a bit dismissive of Matt's achievement and that that was a little unfair, but I get the other side of the argument.
4) The world went went mad...
Like my earlier post I think that this was very avoidable. I understand that Dave and Pinkbike don't want to bend to everyone's whim as, let's be honest, where would it ever end, but as others have suggested had this been conveyed in a more positive manner (I.e. We made the decisions we did as he's not a big name but this was a great result and we'll keep an eye out for him in the future) this would be no additional work and would have placated most of the commenters above. At the end of the day though we do all appreciate the hard work you guys put in and love the site. And I laughed when Waki got compared to Kanye...
Now we just need to get Protour back - he will distract everyone from all this and form a fully united Pinkbike audience against him with a single comment about the big S...
I doubt there were many top pro's cruising that last stage......
We should find a photo and ask PB to add it in....they are good guys so sure they will
It didn't bother me that they chose not to include a photo of coverage, I was originally here to see how Richie Rude recovered for Day 2 and the points race and whether Jared was finally able kick his shite luck with mechanicals this year and wrap this thing up! What bothered me was the way Dave lit into the thread and started burning things down over a petty issue, while backing his position was poorly considered BS. To me it smacked of something personal, like the team covering the race didn't like how Matt Stuttard handled himself in the pits of interviews, maybe Dave being a fairly competitive former racer thought Matt riding really earn the highlights which happens sometimes when still competitive guys get to do the coverage, they become the kingmakers and their subjective criteria become law, or maybe it was just an oversight, and maybe all, some, or none of these are true. Point is I don't think most of us would have ever thought that far into it had Dave not blown up in the comments section. Dave handled the situation badly, it's clear, so we called him out on it. Based on precedent and his current track it seems likely this won't be the final time something like this happens, so we'll probably get to call him out in the future if we so desire. However I do agree with him on one important point: the racing is getting lost in all this (though we're all certainly more aware of one particular UK rider, haha)
In the end, Dave's work is rad (that birch tree berm shot is one of my favorite images of all time, when I first saw that sometime last year I just stared at it for 15 minutes straight taking in the colors, the framing, the perfectly chosen location, and the implied motion of the shot, truly fantastic), as is the work of the other guys contributing on every article here. The race was rad, and I was psyched Jared got his first win this season and proved that the bike or the encroachment of age wasn't what was holding him back, and that Richie Rude salvaged something from the weekend and is going to be ok for Whistler. That and the community here is rad and passionate and I really appreciate that everyone takes time from their busy lives to make their voices heard and celebrate and commiserate together.
@catfish9797 you are taking things too seriously, that's all i can tell you
Winning an EWS stage as a privateer is a big deal. Props to Matt Stuttered. Hope you post a few more results like this in the future and make PB cover you better next time.
pb clearly has its "idols"
Awesome for him -- and typical of him -- to find the best way to ride it!
adapter for metric shock and probably a touch more travel too. Stumpy 29 is 135mm travel stock, maybe it's at 145 w/ 150 fork? The angles are pretty similar to the enduro 29, so maybe he was looking for a longer chainstay to get closer to his Yeti? stumpys are 437. #chainstaygate
Bike check!! Not the most glamorous pic I know, but it's the best side on pic I have, and I'm trying to keep it real! A lot of people are asking about my bike setup so here we go....
Frame: Large #sworks #stumpjumper29 Fork: #rockshox Lyrik 160 mm @ 97psi, 3 bottomless tokens, 51mm offset. Rear shock: Rockshox superdeluxe @ 212psi. (One off prototype yoke to fit shock at this stage) rebound: best described as slow. Wheels: #roval traverse fatty sl. Tires: #specialized butcher grid 2.3 front and rear. 26psi front, 28psi rear
Drivetrain: full #sram eagle X01, 36t chainring, 170mm cranks . Brakes: Sram guide ultimate levers, code calipers, metallic brake pads, 200mm G2 rotors. Bars and stem: #renthal 35mm fatbar, 750mm wide, 20mm rise and 50mm apex stem. Chainguide: #mrpbike carbon SXg . Pedals: #htcomponents T1. Saddle: specialized #phenom ti rails. Seatpole: specialized command post, 125mm drop. Thanks also to #stagescycling for the power meters for training.
Main numbers:
Head angle: 65.9
Bottom Bracket: 340mm wheelbase: approx 1180mm Rider specs: 178cm and 81kg. I think that's about it, hope some find that helpful...
@iamspecialized @iamspecialized_mtb
- Can you give us your view on the fork offset for 29ers please.....the 46 vs 51mm thing?
- Why a Stumpy instead of an Enduro? Is the stumpy frame already strong enough (so you don't need the Enduro) and its just a question of slapping a stiffer fork on as you go up in travel to 160 (Lyrik vs Pike) which in also helps reduce the head angle? Does the extra CS length help balance the bike better on a larger frame?
- Tyre pressures...I seem to be able to get away with a lot lower on front 22F vs 27R...Is there a reason that the pressure needs to be so high? (I am sure you are hitting the trail harder than me and running lower sag)
Cheers
EDIT - I didn't see the FB bit and thought you were JG Spec frontman on PB.
hope we don't get slammed by the mob for not including this in the report as well
Damned if you do, damned if you don't- Bart Simpson
But that is pretty much what happened from what I saw. Lightning did crash, old dude did get t-boned and girl did spectacular OTB in Hells Kitchen. It was good value for money.