First Look: e*thirteen's TRS Race Product Line

Jun 26, 2013 at 18:33
by Mike Kazimer  
For the unveiling of their 2014 product lineup, e*thirteen chose the bustling college town of Ashland, Oregon. Located near the border of Oregon and California, Ashland has countless mountain biking opportunities, many of them beginning on nearby Mt. Ashland, which rises to an elevation of 7,533 feet, and offers easily shuttleable, high speed singletrack trails. The third stop of the Oregon Enduro Series took place here the day before the launch, and more than a few attendees had sore muscles and battle scars from the loose and dusty course.

The main focus of the launch was e*thirteen's TRSr series of components. This series is intended for enduro racing and all-mountain use, while still being light enough to also be useable on cross-country bikes. TRS stands for trail security, and the “r” stand for race; the race components use more exotic materials like titanium and carbon fiber to achieve the best strength to weight ratios possible. With enduro racing continuing to grow, it made sense for e*thirteen to expand their lineup to offer racers more options in the light and strong department.




TRSr Wheelset
Photo Long Nguyen

The hubs use carbon tubes bonded to tall
aluminum flanges.
The TSRr wheels have undergone a host of design changes to make them lighter and stiffer, as well as more easily serviceable. The hubs consist of a carbon 'torsion tube' bonded to two aluminum flanges. For 2014 the hubs maintain their distinctive tall flange profile, but the flanges have been moved further apart and their height decreased slightly to create better spoke triangulation, which helps increase lateral stiffness. The idea behind the taller than average flange height is to keep the wheel weight centered around the hub to make acceleration as quick as possible.

Angular contact bearing keep the hubs rolling smoothly, and can withstand loading from multiple directions. The internals have been simplified to make disassembling them easier – a small flathead screwdriver and a 3mm hex wrench are the only tools necessary remove the axle. The new internals are also backwards compatible with earlier versions of the wheel for riders wishing to upgrade. Even the freehub body has been refined, with the addition of stainless steel inserts to prevent cassettes from marring the aluminum splines. The hubs have 60 points of engagement, giving the three pawls a 6 degree engagement angle.

The hubs weren't the only thing to get wider – the TRSr's aluminum rims now have a 23.5mm center width and a 28mm external width capable of supporting up to a 2.5” tire. The sidewalls have been reinforced for better dent resistance and a claimed 30% increase in stiffness. There is no carbon rim option yet, but since e*thirteen already has carbon molding capabilities, we don't doubt that this could be on the horizon. The 26” and 27.5” wheels use a 28 hole lacing pattern, and the 29” wheels use 32 spokes. Total weight is expected to be 1560 grams for the 26” wheels, a very competitive weight, especially for a wheel designed to handle the abuses of enduro racing.

Final pricing is expected to be around $1200 per set, and they should be available around late August or early September.


LG1r Pedals
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The LG1r pedals maintain their aluminum core with replaceable wear plate construction, but the race version gets heat treated aluminum pins and a 6/4 titanium axle, changes that shave 62 grams off the LG1+ model. The pedals also get modified seals to make them spin better, the only issue we ran into when we reviewed the LG1+ model last year. Blue, red, white and black wear plates will be available. Final testing is currently wrapping up, and the LG1r should be available at the end of August. MSRP: $319.


TRSr and LG1r Chainguides
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The TRSr dual ring guide and the LG1r downhill guide both get carbon fiber backplates for increased strength and reduced weight. Todd Bishoff, e*thirteen's product director, said that the choice to go with carbon fiber wasn't driven by fashion – during testing they found that the compression molded carbon fiber gave the back plate a 25% strength increase with a 20% decrease in weight, numbers impressive enough to make it worth switching to carbon fiber from aluminum for the Race series of chainguides. The TRSr dual ring guide weighs in at a scant 76 grams, a miniscule weight gain considering the additional security it provides. Currently, both systems use a rolling pulley system, a smooth, stepped wheel on the dual ring guide and a toothed one on the LG1, but we wouldn't be surprised if a non-rolling option becomes available in the future. Both guide systems are available with white or black plastics. Available now, the TRSr retails for $199 USD and the LG1r for $219.


Guide Ring M
E13 M Guidering
e*thirteen has tested a number of prototypes of their Modified Guide Rings that use a thick-thin-thick profile along with chamfering to improve chain retention in all gears, and are still testing various coatings to ensure they last as long as possible. The design is intended to work best with 11 speed systems, but it is 10 speed compatible. The difference in width between a 10 and 11 speed chain does mean that riders running these rings with a 10 speed system may still need to run a chainguide of some sort. The rings will be available in both spiderless and 104 BCD versions with 28-38 teeth in even sizes. Expected to be available in late August, the final MSRP is still to be determined.


TRSr Crankset
photo

The spindle uses a shape inspired by a
driveshaft design found in tanks.
The TRSr crankset uses e*thirteen's P3 Lobe Interface, a design previously used in industrial applications, including tank drive shafts. Instead of a spline system at the end of the spindle, there is a rounded triangle shape that allows the spindle to be in complete contact with the surface of the crankarm. Crank installation has been simplified over previous versions – it's now as easy as pushing the driveside crankarm spindle through the bottom bracket, tightening the non-drive side arm until it bottoms out, and then adjusting the preload ring by hand to remove any remaining play.

The TRSr cranks use a spiderless design, allowing for a wide range of gear combinations in both single and double set ups. The single ring set up will come with e*thirteen's Modified Guide Rings for increased chain retention in even tooth counts from 28 to 38. Dual ring users have 38/24, 36/22 and 34/20 tooth count options to choose from. Weights vary, but for a single ring, 34t cranks set with 175mm crank arms and a threaded bottom bracket the claimed weight is 689 grams. TRSr cranksets retail for $369 with one ring and no bottom bracket.

e*thirteen offers bottom brackets to fill all current “standards,” but we found the PF30 bottom bracket to be particularly impressive. Rather than pushing two sleeves together, the two sides of the aluminum BB thread into each other, allowing for a more precise fit, with less chance of creaking because of imperfect frame tolerances. Like the TRSr wheels, the bottom brackets use angular contact bearings to better handle axial and radial loads. Prices range from $49-$89.


Photo Long Nguyen
  Thick fog greeted us on the final day, making for surreal riding conditions. Photo: Long Nguyen

First Impressions:
bigquotes We were able to get two solid days of long shuttle laps aboard the new components. While the trails around Ashland aren't the most technical, they are extremely high speed (it's not uncommon to reach speeds of close to 40mph), with plenty of brake bumps and loose corners to keep riders on their toes. The trails were too smooth to truly test the dent and big hit capabilities of these wheels, but once the production versions are ready we'll be sure to put them through the wringer. There were, however, plenty of opportunities to test the acceleration of the wheels, a test they passed without issue. Likely due to their light weight, they felt quick from the starting line, snappily accelerating up to the warp speeds possible on the trails around Ashland. The cranks arms felt plenty stiff as well, without any noticeable deflection even when standing up and mashing on the pedals. We did manage to drop a chain when running a Modified Guide Ring without an upper guide on a 1x10 setup, but other riders went both days without issue on the same setup. Riders with 1x10 setups will need to experiment for themselves - different suspension designs and even the brand of chain may influence how effective the rings are. 1x11 shouldn't be an issue, as the narrower chains will increase the retention the thick-thin-thick rings provide.

Overall, these products are designed for the way most of us prefer to ride, on components that don't balk at hitting drops and jumps, and don't become boat anchors as soon as the trail heads uphill, sitting somewhere in the middle ground between cross-country and downhill riding. Plus, e*thirteen has taken care to make their components as user-friendly as possible; installing chainguides and crankarms can sometimes lead to bouts of cursing and hair pulling, but it's evident that e*thirteen has gone to great lengths to make this unlikely to happen. While we can't comment on long term durability, at first glance the TRSr products are an excellent addition to an already solid lineup of components. - Mike Kazimer


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  • 386 9
 Knock knock. Who's there? $319 platform pedals that weight over 400 grams. THAT JOKE IS HILARIOUS
  • 22 9
 Its not all about weight but yes 320 for pedals of any type are expensive. I have the chromo axle model that you can get for $100, and the grip is absolutely ludicrous. i like the fact they come with an assortment of different length pins, they are decently thin, albeit a little thick by todays standards, and the platform is huge and confidence inspiring. definitely some sweet pedals. can tell they are built to last a life time when you hold them in your hand. and the initial unboxing is a bit of an occasion, e13's packaging is top notch. I have some of the original LG1 cranks and they came with real nice hive branded tools, very clear instructions with pictures and even a link for a video of installation on their website. got to say i've loved e13 even more since they were acquired by the hive. back to the pedals, $220 more for 62 less grams? and with weaker aluminum pins? no thanks.
  • 58 6
 knock knock. who's there? $319 for pedals in general!
  • 5 47
flag jaycubzz (Jun 27, 2013 at 0:35) (Below Threshold)
 knock knock. No ones home i guess im going to monsters university alone again....
  • 6 44
flag fr3er1d3r (Jun 27, 2013 at 0:37) (Below Threshold)
 HAHAHAHA omg ccolagio that was the best joke ever! With that said, I think everything else is pretty legit.
  • 12 22
flag ccolagio (Jun 27, 2013 at 0:59) (Below Threshold)
 *weigh*
  • 32 2
 That crank set is a work of art
  • 7 3
 TWENTY6 are about 200$ and absolutely worth it, mines weigh 320g the pair and the grip is the best you can expect even with skate shoes
  • 6 6
 Shame twenty6 pedals last about 5 minutes. Look pretty though.
  • 25 7
 Superstar components make 375g pedals with phenomenal grip for about €100 and a 425g version for about €50. They have unbelievable grip and are strong as f*ck. Even if they only lasted half the length of these you could still buy 5 pairs for that price. (And you wont need to as I said they are really strong).

I have TRS+ stuff on my bike and have had a lot of problems with it. Both the cranks and chain guide have failed on me so no I dont buy this rubbish that more expensive is always better. In my experience it generally lasts no longer than XT level stuff and provides no substantive difference in performance.

Ive had so much really high end stuff that fails just as soon as the mid to high end yet people still spend money on it. There is always someone who will say "Oh I've had mine for 84 years and they last a lifetime". Well guess what! A shit load of people have also been running less expensive equipment just as hard for just as long a time.

There is a thought process in marketing that a certain percentage of people will pay for the "best" regardless of how expensive it is or how small the gains in performance are. Therefore they price it accordingly and you end up with people paying double the price for something which is only marginally more expensive to produce and provides tiny gains in performance. But once these people have "the best" they dont care. Some people will be dumb enough to buy these pedals...
  • 19 3
 Spank spikes "."
About a third the cost....
  • 19 1
 rich people dont get that joke dude
  • 2 11
flag Michaelhealy (Jun 27, 2013 at 5:20) (Below Threshold)
 Shut up eoghan
  • 11 10
 Are ethirteen products hand-craftet in a western country? If not this is a total rip-off!
  • 10 1
 To me, the crank spindles look more like a rotory engine's rotor, but then again, ive never seen a tank driveshaft.....
  • 4 3
 Those pedals look kinda similar to the $45 VP 001 I just got, and the VP's work great, why pay over $100 for pedals?
  • 11 1
 The Canfield Brothers Crampon Ultimates have been treating me like a rockstar, weigh in at 342g's and cost around $170, have yet to find a better deal for the features.
  • 2 0
 I had the Straitline AMP with Ti axle and love them, cheaper than the E13
  • 4 0
 that price for a pair of pedals is LOCO
  • 12 17
flag seraph (Jun 27, 2013 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 You guys are apparently all forgetting that the LG1 pedal has gotten a 5-star review on almost every site on which it has been reviewed. At some point in time you have to start considering performance as something that you're paying for, not just weight.
  • 7 0
 Haha yeah they are rather wankel-esque haha
  • 3 1
 We know you like e13 quite a bit, but that's a stupid price to spend on pedals no matter what brand they are.
  • 5 3
 Agreed that it's a little steep for pedals. You don't see me with a set. I'm just commenting on the fact that everyone is judging the pedals solely on weight and price, seemingly forgetting that they have received extremely high marks in terms of performance. Also there is a less expensive pedal from E.13 that does not feature a titanium spindle or aluminum pins and is a bit more affordable.
  • 4 1
 I'll stick with my wahwah's.... everything I could ask for in a flat pedal
  • 4 5
 seraph most official reviews are paid... just pointing that out
  • 1 0
 LOVE my VPs!
  • 3 3
 E.13 doesn't have the kind of capital it would take to pay off a publication. Their reviews speak for themselves.
  • 1 0
 maybe, but then again how many other five star pedals are there for cheaper? answer rove fr, kona wah wah, original straitlines.... I've had all of those with no issues whatsoever
  • 3 3
 There's no denying that $300 is a lot to pay for a pedal (ti axles are expensive), but don't forget that e*thirteen will still be offering the standard LG1+ pedal that retails for around $130.
  • 9 0
 I think the point was that for that kind of money, you expect a product to be 100% dialled. If a manufacturer wants me to find a reason to drop $300+ on pedals, they'd better be market leaders in EVERY respect, not just one or two. Not "works well but pretty heavy", not "super light but only lasts 5 minutes", and definitely not "crank brothers".
  • 2 3
 Well obviously titanium-spindled DH pedals are sort of a niche market, but within that market I'd say that the LG1r pedals reign supreme.
  • 1 0
 Blackspire sub's.end of story.
  • 3 3
 Knock knock. Who's there? $89 Shimano Saint PD-MX80 pedals with more grip, easier serviceability, larger platforms, customizable pin lengths, and Shimano reliability.
  • 2 2
 answer, shimano, truvativ, deity, chromag and crankbrothers all have equally as quality alternatives. at a third the cost. ridiculous
  • 1 3
 Tsetse, the Shimano pedals are puny in comparison to the E.13. Seriously the E.13 pedals are one of the largest platforms on the market. Also the E.13 pedals come with 3 different length pins and are easily serviceable and adjustable. So basically you have no idea what you're talking about. And billy3197 since you listed Crank Bros in your argument it is invalid. Sorry.
  • 3 0
 Straitline defacto?
  • 2 1
 I'm sure the LG1r and LG1+ are great pedals if you are fortunate enough to have them, but they are bad value when you consider the price and all the other alternative pedals on the market with similar performance and cheaper price tags. Shimano Saint pedals offer everything an average rider on a budget such as me can ask for. I've never seen the size of the platforms on an E.13, but the size of the Saint platform is more than enough to fit any 5.10 Karvers or other bulky shoes. The pins can be adjusted via shims so you can have it at any length you desire. And you literally just have to unscrew the cartridge axle out, squeeze new grease in, refit and all the old grease gets purged out and your bearings are as good as new! All this for $89 seems like an incredible value pedal.
  • 4 3
 seraph- the 50/50s are great pedals dick
  • 2 0
 Twenty6 Predators smoke every other choice out of the water! And yes...50/50 pedals are a terrible atrocity brought into this world
  • 2 4
 billy3197 anything Crank Bros makes that has moving parts is terrible. It's just a fact.
  • 4 0
 Seriously, if you're on any 200+ dollar pedal game and buying flats, it sure as hell better be for the cool guy factor. If you're riding flats and trying to shave grams at that price for the sake of performance just buy some clippy pedals and some click-clack shoes and bask in the glory of having coin left over to buy some fast food to burn off with that solid pedaling efficiency.
  • 3 2
 Some of us just don't like clips. I have tried them and I don't like them. For the road bike they make sense but my MTB will always have flats.
  • 2 0
 dmr vaults for less than $120 on ebay. very durable and good for big feet size 11 and above. get the red ones Smile
  • 1 3
 They aren't "decently thin", whomever wrote that. They are somewhat thick compared to the top contenders.
  • 1 0
 21mm at the thickest point. Not exactly thick. Maybe compared to the new Tioga pedals...

www.pinkbike.com/photo/8782116
  • 3 0
 Ha, those tioga pedals have been in the qbp catalog for 2 years and still none released...good thing cause those bearings will fail just like the Holzfellers do. 21mm isn't super thick but isn't thin either, compared to all the brands out there that are significantly thinner. BB's are so low these days it's a priority for most riders.
  • 1 0
 you know, pedals are the one thing you should not spend no more then $100
  • 2 0
 @evilamish i agree that something that you might pound into the rocks is hard to spend money on...but at the same time its the main contact point between you and your bike. much in the same way i dont like using shi*** shifters and saddles, i cant stand shi*** pedals. i spent 2 seasons on Twenty6 pedals before i went back to clips and never regretted it once. i would rather spend a little less on a frame than skimp on pedals/shifters/brakes/saddles
  • 1 1
 Skimp on the only non consumable part of a bike to spend extra on parts that wear? That makes no sense i'm afraid.
  • 60 3
 THE PRICE IS TOO DAM HIGH!!
  • 6 12
flag EnduroManiac (Jun 27, 2013 at 1:26) (Below Threshold)
 They'll sell some anyway so why (would they) bother?
  • 3 2
 cramnks are worth it
  • 8 3
 Hmmm... People on my team run the cranks and have massive problems with them coming loose all the time and other things, one guy has gone through 3 sets of cranks in less than a year
  • 13 5
 That would imply you got a deal on E*Thirteen products. If so, with relatively little sponsorship available and a vast reduction in availability of even discount deals, you'd do well to remember that the brand has chosen to help you in return for representation. By all means, talk about problems with products within the team, and speak to the people who've given you a deal in the first place, but don't go bad mouthing brands who're helping you on the internet. It's not too professional and doesn't look great to either current, or prospective sponsors. This goes for any brand; appreciate what you've got.
  • 6 1
 cloverleaf, what's your relationship to E*thirteen? I had similar, very frustrating and expensive problems with E*thirteen cranks last year. Reguardless of any relationship Joebohobo and his team have with the company, I would've been glad to hear about such problems before buying the parts. Hopefully the E*thirteen's mods to the finicky install process have fixed things. The fact that they made changes seems to validate joebohobo's comment.
  • 4 2
 Absolutely none whatsoever, it's more the 'we've got a deal with this company and have had problems with their products' that grates, no matter which company it's in relation to. Yeah, it's honest and I'm sure some people will call that commendable, but the number of kids who don't appreciate the deals they've got is maddening. People need to understand that deals come with strings attached and you're supposed to represent the company professionally, and in a good light. That doesn't involve portraying them in a poor light on the internet.
  • 1 1
 @cloverleaf, they aren't helping me, it's sort of just a few of the guys on the team, they aren't one of the team sponsors but they "help" out a few guys
  • 2 0
 I also had issues with the first gen LG1r dh cranks, went through bearings flat out, but the guys at e thirteen were really keen to help get it sorted. the New TRSr cranks are the result of a whole lot of feedback from all over and are a massive step forwards. I've been running a set since january and since the first install they've needed less attention than my XO or Saints on my other bikes, extremely stiff, light and foolproof to install!
  • 34 1
 Maybe I need to visit my eye specialist, but I'm pretty sure I saw $319 price tag on... pedals.
  • 1 2
 yeah it's kind of stupid money. But there's pedals in that price range for sure and I'd go with others if I were to spend that kind of money twenty6 makes the sexiest pedals in that price range.
  • 5 1
 I just don't get how this new model can be almost 3x what the original model costs and the only difference is 62g. These things are basically made for gravity riding, spending an extra $200 for a 62g weight savings seems ridiculous.
  • 1 1
 TRS is their trail stuff, not their gravity LG1 range.
  • 3 2
 It says "This series is intended for enduro racing and all-mountain use". Enduro racing is Gravity riding. Point being we are not talking about weight weenie cross country gear here.
  • 31 6
 ooooh tank inspired driveshaft, it's not just a triangle.... nope it's a tank inspired triangle!
  • 8 0
 No, its a rotory engine rotor
  • 3 0
 just missing the apex seals, irons, and rotor housings! 3 MOVING PARTS! lol
  • 3 1
 Oh, how I love the ingenuity of mr. Wankel
  • 1 0
 And 99% burn efficiency
  • 1 0
 sowwy to bust your bubbles erryone but 1J over anything, anyday Big Grin
  • 1 0
 bro get out of the dark ages, LSx swaps where its at
  • 1 0
 typical response i hear..

all im saying is a bone stock 1j (aside from single turbo conversion and 272 in/ex cams, internals are not touched!), will net you atleast 500hp, and torque not being far behind (which is what really matters), with two less cylinders. oh and btw, if your smart and know what your doing it would cost about half of what a LSx motor runs ya... Smile next time you come at me, recommend a japanese v8 like the UZ or something.. 10k rev limit, quad cam, all alum, list goes on and on!

youd think someone from canada would know whats good seeing as how you probably see soarers, tezzas, and crestas on the regular.. stupid DOT and EPA wont ever let us have any fun (Japanese) motors =(
  • 1 0
 It was more sarcasm than seriousness, my bad. And about the jdm cars, I actually saw 2 soarers and an aristo today, as well as 3 jdm imprezas yesterday. Were spoiled hahaha!
  • 1 0
 no worries. im just someone whos into stuff people arent usually into here in the states. LS swaps are huge here right now, as you already know.. i was waiting for the jz thing to take off here, but im kinda surprised that the RB series has the I6 platform on lockdown.. fine with me! makes the 1j plentiful, and cheap!

and ahhhhhh, love me some yotas ans subies (fuji heavy!), best cars out there (IMO)
  • 19 0
 Cranks look amazing!!
  • 4 9
flag phobospwns (Jun 27, 2013 at 4:37) (Below Threshold)
 if by "looks amazing" you mean " looks like they are constantly coming lose", then yes, the cranks look amazing.

They aren't good.
  • 6 2
 Actually no, I have the LG1's on my bike and I've zero issues whatsoever. Best cranks I've boughten!
  • 2 3
 You must have gotten a lucky pair then, the only 3 guys I know who've had their cranks complain about them constantly. A Giant rep, a mechanic of 20 years, and a privateer racer. I've never bought them due to this. Maybe the recent ones have been better.
  • 11 1
 these cranks won't come loose if installed properly
  • 3 1
 I have the TRS+ cranks on my Black Market without the new preload ring and they have never come loose on me. I also had the LG1+ on their previously and the XCX on my XC bike. Never came loose. Just gotta use a torque wrench and get everything tightened up properly. Also nothing is flawless, so you might want to check on the bolts every now and then.
  • 2 0
 @phobospwns - The're awesome cranks made by a highly respected company, if youve never ridden a pair and you have no first hand experience with a product, dont hate on it. Please explain how they "look" like they will come loose, i just dont see it.
  • 1 0
 i know someone whos lg1s kept coming loose, after lots of complaints and pissing about i pulled them out and found a tiny bit of grit preventing them from tightening properly, once that was cleared no more problems
  • 10 1
 Wow , 319 bucks for pedals ? C'mon E-13 dont be " that " company , you guys been doing great so far .... I dont have a problem spending money on the high end stuff but there is a thin line between spending money and just being stupid.
  • 10 2
 Those are the best looking pedals I've seen, bar none. Never in my life am I going to shell out over 300 bucks for pedals though!
  • 4 2
 Check out these bad boys:
www.reset-racing.de/reset/images_pedal/6412_6850_pedal3_web_big2.jpg
they are even pricier with a price around $780
Whoever rides these must be the king at the ice-cream parlor.
  • 6 1
 DAM those are ugly as sh*t and DAM it hurts my shins just looking at them...
  • 2 0
 for 780 doll hairs those had better work on my bike for me, make me coffee in the morning, or bring me eternal happiness!
  • 4 0
 Well if you like the pedals but don't care about the 62g weight savings buy the LG1+ pedals which are the exact same thing just a tad heavier and only run about $125.
  • 3 3
 Man, you clip one rock and the threaded pins that hold the whole thing together are likely to get sheared off, destabilizing the whole platform structure. Not much strength their construction.. Once they're sheared off, it could be tricky backing out the broken screws to make the whole thing work again.. Expensive. Fragile design. no thanks.
  • 10 1
 they look like optimus primes morning dump
  • 9 2
 why does all of these newly released products have to cost so much, why cant they just produce some with a bit more availability to a lower price range market.
  • 3 0
 Because companies are for making money.
  • 4 1
 Remember this is their top end stuff; the equivalent of XTR. They do cheaper products that fulfil the same purpose too, albeit they're slightly heavier.
  • 2 2
 Yes, however don't you think $300 pedals are a bit of an overkill
  • 2 1
 Buddy, when you are an elite rider like myself, all the best components are necessary to shave off milliseconds from your run, which in turn could give me the time necessary to win. But you wouldn't understand......... Your a weekend warrior
  • 5 0
 One thing no one has considered is the fact ( albeit I think $300 is steep for pedals), the crank and other components are pretty reasonable compared to the competition (xtr and raceface sixc). The pedals are hard to swallow but if you were buying the whole kit you would come out about even (or less) with a full xtr set up. I probably would stay with xtr, but mainly because shimano products are more venerable in general.
  • 2 1
 Remember that XTR has a three year warrantee rather than just one year.
  • 4 0
 The LG chain devices work really well the problem is with the materials they use to make the bash guard and chain guide parts, they're the cheapest plastic and really do not last well enough to justify the price.
  • 3 1
 i remember reading their manual that i downloaded online (i need to get a chain guide soon for the DH bike), and i lol'd when i was reading about the 'prohibited' greases on their stuff. i had never known of certain greases to breakdown or weaken plastic...

sad part is they arent joking either.. i read not too long ago that they didnt warranty this dudes guide cause he wasnt using grease/lube on the safe list.
  • 5 1
 of course certain greases don't work with certain plastics. why do you think you can't use certain lubes with condoms?
  • 7 0
 I never use lube.
  • 1 0
 @naughty-

why create a part that cant take standard everyday stuff (like wd40 or other chainlubes), seems kinda dumb.. i dont follow MRPs stuff cause i really want an lg1+ for my build, but ive never heard anything about them limiting lubes and grease.. maybe i should be drooling over their stuff instead.

who knows.. it may sound like im shooting myself in the foot already for wanting a chain guide that will make me carry around special grease and chain lube in my tool box. its really not that big of a deal, but theres a reason why i use the fluids that i already do, they work great and dont break the bank!
  • 1 0
 You make a good point but wd40 and other petroleum based lubricants will still eat and melt plastic. By the way, the lg1+ parts that I have rock!!
  • 1 0
 not saying their stuff isnt good (cause it is), i just find it odd that they chose a plastic compound that can only handle non petro based products (and judging by their list, there arent that many).. apparently they're the only ones using that compound, as ive never herd of another chain guide company that heavily restricts what you can and cant use on your guide.

although like i said earlier, i dont follow mrp or the other companies that make guides closely cause ive never had to buy a chain guide (until now), so ill do some more reading before i buy. although i liked the lg1+ guide the best from what ive already seen.. im not ruling it out just yet Smile
  • 1 0
 MRP warns against harmful cleaners and lubes as well. The stuff is plastic, it can only take so much.
  • 6 3
 Balls to that. I will never spend a fortune on pedals when the superstar nano tech are available for about 60 euro, are pretty light, and offer savage grip. Not into being ripped off, thank you very much.
  • 7 1
 Love their stuff, but soo pricey....
  • 2 2
 I think the only ridiculously priced thing is the pedal. That pedal doesn't offer anything I'm interested in that other pedals do, for half that price.

The wheels, and cranks/guides etc are fair competition but those pedals...idk. I don't think many people will buy them. People spend that kinda money for sexy looks and weight savings, on top of the expected things. I just don't like anything about them
  • 1 2
 Their wheelset is also pricey. You can built a set of custom DT Swiss 240 with some Flow EX for around 1100 and it would be just as strong and lighter. And for those who want higher engagement, you can built it with Kings for a few bucks more. Those wheels are 700 dollar wheels at best.
  • 2 1
 240s on Flow EX rims is not lighter than TRSr wheels. I know because I have built the exact same wheelset.
  • 1 1
 My buddy had his built by Colorado Cyclist and it came out barely under 1500 grams(15mm F and 135x10 R). It was built using Sapim CX Ray spokes. Obviously it wasn't weigh with the valves, but it did had one layer of Stan's tape on each rim.
  • 1 0
 I take that back. My apology. It was built using the Arch Ex.
  • 1 0
 $1200 for alu. rimmed wheels? Pass.
  • 2 0
 Show me a set of carbon wheels that you can get for $1200.
  • 1 0
 The Spec Rovals are about that......Light Bicycle wheels 660.00 built on Novatec hubs.
  • 1 0
 Roval Traverse SL wheels are $1650.
  • 1 0
 @seraph - the point isn't that you can get carbon at that price - which is possible - the point is you can get nicer aluminum rimmed wheels at that price.
The comparison to Stan's is tough because the E13 fall between Arch EX and Flow EX widths.
  • 1 0
 "Nicer" is subjective as hell though. I would argue that the TRSr rims are way nicer than anything Stan's has to offer.
  • 2 0
 If anybody's interested, I got the new seals, and they do make a huge difference, much wider range of spin control, and they almost spin fully free with it as far out as it can go. and that's before they're broken in. I ain't spending 300 bucks on these new ones, though.
  • 3 1
 E13 - make us the MRP's XCG-style protection for those awesome guide rings! Make it prettier, smaller and lighter Smile It will sell like pancakes with those ring guides! And as for 104BCD - luv ya!
  • 1 0
 You'd think that at over $300 for the pedals, they would come with all the plastic colors available in the box. Considering the low cost of those parts (A factual estimation on a low run production cost would be about $5 per plate, at the MOST), it *should* be a no brainer for E-13 to do this. But they won't, and you'll pay more for a few bits of plastic than you can buy a Magpul P-Mag and MOE+ grip for combined.
  • 1 0
 i know what you mean.. and it doesnt cost anywhere near $5 bux for a plate. id be surprised if it cost more than $2-3 per plate (not including cost for the mold, just material only)

of course all the money is in the molding, factory costs/upkeep, machinery etc etc... but if youd spending that much on pedals, you had better be gettin some spare freakin parts!
  • 1 0
 Surely making the chainring 10 speed would be a better bet, very few people run 1x11 and if they do they'll already be running Sram and won't need a new chainring, they're are lots more people running 1x10 who I'm sure would love extra chain security and e13 wouldn't be competing with Sram either.
  • 2 0
 I doubt there's much difference between a 10 and an 11 spd chain. The roller width is the same, only the plates are slightly thinner on 11 spd chains. The tolerance thus increases only slightly.
  • 1 0
 I think I remember someone mentioning that it was possible to run an 11spd chain on a 10spd set up without any issues. Can't remember where I saw that though.
  • 1 0
 it says it works with 10 spd setups. just how well is the question!
  • 1 0
 erik i wouldn't do that. The plates are thinner, but they can be since the chain suffers less stress when changing gears. CHanging in the back is easy. The pickup on the front pulling the chain by the plate is a whole another thing. Thinner plates mean there's less of the pin in contact with it, so it's weaker laterally. I think you'd quickly snap the 11 spd chain if you put it on a 2x setup.
  • 2 0
 the burgtec mk4 pedals are not better....... you pay 180€ ..... and then.... at the end of may..... you get..... nothing....at the end of july.........you get nothing......
hopefully not to be continued! Frown
  • 1 0
 " Instead of a spline system at the end of the spindle, there is a rounded triangle shape that allows the spindle to be in complete contact with the surface of the crankarm." Now I'm no scientist here, but I am fairly certain my splined spindle and cranks are in complete contact with each other as well. I am also fairly certain that a rounded edged object is prone to slipping and stripping, just ask my knuckles how many times they have been cut open due to rounded bolt heads.
  • 1 0
 Im sorry but the trs cranks could be nice..but the piece of shit plastic abs crank lock is well you guessed it..a complete piece of shit..what a waste of money..turn it to tight and its done...it never locks , comes loose all the time....why would you not make that aluminum...do your research ethirteen...the ABS sucks !
  • 1 0
 The pedal price is absolutely insulting, while the bottom brackets are so bad, they render the cranks useless. this company should just stick to chain guides, which are still the best in the biz.
  • 7 4
 hahahahahahhaahahaahaha 320 dollars for a pedal ahahahahahaahha If i ever see someone with that, i'll kill him.
  • 2 1
 Then steal his pedals....
  • 1 1
 'a pedal'
  • 4 0
 Well killing seems a bit extreme, but I'd definitely point my finger at him and laugh.
  • 4 2
 Love all this "enduro" stuff coming out now.

Dont overtighten that chainguide pulley bolt even a little, it cracks the cheap plastic.
  • 4 0
 The same could be said about any bolt that fastens plastic.
  • 2 0
 * any consumer plastic

dont doubt plastics! theyve got some nice stuff out there. its just far too expensive or not needed for our bikes.

id love to see more chainguide parts made out of delrin. although im not sure if its too soft, hard, porous, etc for bikes.

edit:
btw, some engine blocks are made out of plastic. like i said, never doubt plastic!
  • 2 1
 I doubt their plastic from actual use. With hardly any tension or resistance the front pulley housing split in three. I would not call that confidence inspiring. I do like e-thirteen products but I was HIGHLY disappointed with that experience.
  • 5 1
 Diggn' those cranks.
  • 3 4
 until you use them... Shittiest bottom bracket on the market...
  • 2 3
 Hahahaha e13 makes some cool stuff but honestly they have the worst customer service and warranty programs. On top of that they do a poor job informing customers who have purchased their products. No where on their packaging or inside will you find information on what lubes to use. Yet you can find a pdf on their website which tells you in depth what lubes you should and shouldn't use. Why is this not included when the product is purchased? Awful replacement program for any of their parts that are CNC. Good quality components with shitty customer service!
  • 1 0
 damn, thats lame..

i really like the idea of them putting it online in a PDF (saves paper, makes the world a better place, etc), but if they dont even note it on the box, then whats the point!?
  • 2 0
 Every product that E.13 sells comes with a note that says that specific instructions are available on their website. There are even detailed tech how-to videos on the website for everything they make.
  • 1 0
 Pedals looking nice. Like the idea of protecting the core with wear plates. At this price mag/ti dont feel right. Unobtainium better choice.
  • 2 0
 Hope F20 pedals - £120 RRP (can be sourced cheaper - CRC, Wiggle, etc.) - Usual colours, usual Hope build - 'nuff said.
  • 1 0
 I just wonder who the hell can afford most of this stuff. We sell Nukeproof Electron day in day out, £35. Simple and at a real world price. why would you want to spend more.
  • 2 0
 I wouldn't spend 300 on pedals, but does no one here actually ever spend over 300 on anything? Is 300 dollars really such a fortune? I'm not being sarcastic or whatever, I'm genuinely curious what the community here has to say.
  • 1 0
 Can you also put a fine print or a disclaimer that some of your chain guides (if not all) is not suitable or won't fit at VPP frames?
  • 3 2
 These must be by far the most ugliest pedals I've ever seen. But that price tag was a good joke though.
  • 2 1
 lol at those prices. How about i chunk a grand in a paper bag, burn it and kick myself in the nuts?
  • 1 0
 This is the best thing I have heard all day
  • 3 1
 I will stick to RaceFace.
  • 2 0
 And VPP?
  • 1 0
 You haven't seen my latest DH rig have you?
  • 2 0
 I'm just messing with you buddy! lol
  • 1 0
 I know it's all good. Never thought I would like the Demo as much as I do. Worst part about eating crow is the damn feathers
  • 2 0
 The wheelset seems to be competitive with i9 specs and similar price
  • 3 1
 although id much rather try out the i9 wheels.
  • 1 0
 Those are sweet, I wish I could get those cause my bikes always broken but for some reason I never have money
  • 2 0
 Best pedal we test here in Rincon mountain bike pro shop
  • 2 1
 I thought someone was BBQ when I seen the price for those pedals!!! I cant wait to see their $50.00 valve caps
  • 1 1
 i love the look of these parts but it is cheaper to drink crude oil than run these components
  • 2 0
 Nice...that is all
  • 2 2
 (because they are, e*13 bought them out)
  • 2 0
 Actually it's the other way around: The Hive bought E.13.
  • 2 1
 Sounds like there rings don't work as well as others
  • 1 0
 ... and then there's lord of the rings..
  • 1 0
 Their new Guide Ring M got a 5-star review on VitalMTB.
  • 1 1
 P3 Lobe interface....previously used....there's a reason they don't use that design anymore, prone to wear!
  • 1 0
 Light pedals make my wallet even lighter!!!
  • 2 1
 Chain guide is what Im most excited about tup
  • 1 0
 Where is this stuff made? North America, Asia, Europe...?
  • 2 1
 As with most components, it's prototyped in America and made in Taiwan.
  • 1 1
 Yeah man, almost everything MADE IN TAIWAN, wtf and the prices are monstrobigus
  • 1 1
 Prices are based on materials used and workmanship required.
  • 1 0
 The prices would seem to reflect domestic, low-quantity production rather than overseas sourcing. The plastics used are higher-end materials with better engineering properties - the guides look like glass-reinforced nylon or nylon/ABS.
  • 1 4
 I have a hard time accepting $1200 for a pair of bicycle wheels. I have a set of beautiful19" wheels with brand new Yokohama tires for my car which I paid $1400 and there's 4 of those wheels, not two bicycle wheels without tires! Just the Yokohama tires alone are a 100 times more advanced than these wheels. If these simple bicycle wheels cost $1200, then by that logic the wheels and tires for my car should cost around $75,000 because I'm pretty sure the manufacturing techniques that went into making the wheels and tires are far more advanced than that which is required to build bicycle wheels. If I do see someone with these wheels, I'll honestly have to just laugh, laugh at the fool who spent $1200 for a pair of bicycle wheels.
  • 1 1
 Sorry kids, you won't be eating for the next few day! Daddy's just got a new set of pedals!
  • 1 1
 r u serious, R U SERIOUS, $320 for pedals, even if I had millions I would never buy them, ever
  • 1 1
 what's going to be next, wheels jokeys for bashguard with the price of £239.99, Ppfffffff.....
  • 1 0
 Don't like them? Don't buy them. But don't bitch about it. It doesn't affect you.
  • 1 1
 RF Atlas cranks are sexy c:
  • 2 1
 Nope
  • 1 1
 Never heard of the make, sounds proper pikey.
  • 1 1
 aluminum pins? No! Just no.
it is a bad idea guys.
  • 1 0
 There is a steel pin available. Twenty6 uses aluminum pins in their pedals and they seem to work fine.
  • 2 2
 I like. Smile
  • 1 3
 320 dollar pedals thatll snap an axle 10 rides in and the customer service rep will tell you to kick rocks!
  • 1 0
 My ti-spindled pedals have been great for many more than 10 rides.
  • 2 3
 Looks like a sick line to me !
  • 1 1
 unaffordable.
  • 1 1
 because its merica....







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