First Look: RockShox Lyrik and Yari

 Which is why I am keeping my Totem until it falls apart...

 So the boxxer is going 15mm too? Otherwise that entire argument is invalid, not many people have multiple bikes in relatively the same travel class, a lot its a dh bike, am/enduro and trail/xc.

 Why would they bother to make a 26" version? So the Pinkbikers can bitch and moan that its too expensive anyway?

Just run your 26" wheel in a 650b fork. It's not hard.

 It looks like the best choice for a 26", 180mm travel, 20mm axle fork would be X-fusion right now. Totally agree, I'm bummed Rockshox didn't just make an SC Boxxer...

 Fox did it right with the 36. All wheel sizes, both axle sizes, lots of travel options, both steerer options, and a great damper.

 Epic fail by RS why the hell would you want RCT3 in a lyrik and 15 mm come on man ffs. Yari + avalanche cartridge (if they decide to do one) will be the option of choice looking at these specs. Fox must be loving this with Marzo on the ropes and RS churning out a long travel pike.

 Yari eh...?!
I think you meant to spell it... Uri (Geller) .

 why, Why, WHY would you not offer a 20mm axle version?! Guys seriously, I love mountainbiking with all of my heart but all of this creating new standards and ditching the old and proven stuff really grinds my gears.
Unless you've already ditched gears overnight as well....

 well that's shattered my dreams, i have a lyric rc2dh solo air, if i get the new upgrade cartridge how big an improvement should it make, will it be worth getting it fitted and set up for me by tf tuned, or do i just think f**k it and get a fox 36 180mm and be done with.

the thing that gets me confused with all these new supposed improved standards comeing out is, why in downhill where the bike needs to be strong, fast and reliable are they using the old proven standards, 135x12, 142x12 and 20mm through axle then, if the new standards are so much better surely we would of seen them on the dh circuits first

 why these guys don't ask the riders but they do what they want. What we want is Lyrik 26" and 27.5" with 170 - 180 mm travel, solo air but, BUT 20mm axle, THAT'S IT, EASY.

 Now that the cats out of the bag...I've had the privilege of testing the new Lyrik and it's far more then a Pike with an extra 20mm. The fork is super stiff and takes small bump compliance to the next level. Definitely an option between a Pike and Boxxer.

 by the way I'm riding Marzocchi 55 CR 170mm air, with 20mm axle, happy as a kid on boxing day.

 15mm with wider flanges to help stiffen up the fork.....one of the biggest benefits to go 15mm was to shave weight off the lowers by reducing the flange and the hub. Now we have increased the size of the hub and the fork we have negated the benefits of 15mm.

 So a single crown boxxer is what you want? RS forks are all interchangeable. Throw boxxer lowers on it and done. Or throw domain lowers on it because they are the same thing.

I like the new lyrik. I have been waiting on it for long enough. And the yari is a nice surprise. Finally an affordable enduro fork from one of the big companies. I hope the revelation is no longer spec'd on the 2-3 grand bikes. The yari just makes the kind of sense that had me buying used lyriks years ago.

 15x100 wasn't done to lighten a fork (except compared to doing a 20mm axle version), it was done to offer a more reliable and secure connection that a QR skewer and open dropouts with 9mm axle ends. 15x110 is doing something that 20x110 didn't do already, offer improved hub flange spacing for a stronger/stiffer wheel, something that's more important as spoke lengths increase (as they do with 650B/700C wheels). 20x110 used the same flange spacing as 9x100 or 15x100, that's something a lot of people don't get. Also disc hubs all lost flange distance to make room for the rotor on the hub shell, which made for #1 dished wheels and #2 loss of wheel strength/stiffness. What should have occurred when discs came about as a industry wide feature 15-17 years ago was widening the dropout spacing instead of shrinking the flange spacing. But instead they shrunk the flanges to keep the dropout spacing so as to make it easier to switch over, as many frames/forks came with both disc mounts AND v-brake posts.

 Something that the industry hasn't seemed to realise is that, smaller people (4'9'' to 5'3'') are likely to not feel as comfortable on a 27.5'' bike than on a 26'' bike. Especially when jumping and doing riding that requires manouverability.

 Frames for shorter riders have come a long way. Give it another 2 years and we will see high end 20 inch and 24 inch wheelsets for shorter rippers, mostly because there are so many young up and coming shredders.

 Ridiculous whining. 26" is fazing out. Expect it. Don't be happy about it, but seriously do we have to hear the same stupid crying every time a 27.5" specific part comes out?
As for the short boxxer vs long pike thing: Did you take one too many blows to the head? The only difference is the axle diameter, and you can't feel the difference. If you think you can you are lying to yourself. Maybe .05% of riders can tell, but most of them don't care. You know how I know? Because if they ride the boxxer they like a little flex! Otherwise they would be on a 40. So a little flex in the next step down won't hurt you either.
Is there anything else that keeps this from being a short boxxer?
Damper: Check
35mm Stachions: Check
160-180 travel bracket: Check

RS had the pike out with no competition worth trying until this year when fox announced the 34 rebuild and xfusion announced a new damper. People actually compared the pike to the 36 and called them equals!!!! That is like having the revelation outperform the 34 (which some people say it does). If this fork is the pike writ large it will slay everything you can throw at it.

So a quick request after that brief rant. Shadup! This fork will be better than anything available 5 years ago and will run with the big boys just fine.

26 is on hayatus. Don't whine about it anymore. 20mm Axles are overkill for most riders (aka you). If you doubt it remember that those pro enduro racers are better than you and their axles aren't failing on them.

 If the market for 26" 20mm long travel forks is a large as the claims here seem to suggest, might it not be a good idea to start a business and actually manufacture what it is you want, and make some money doing so? I mean, it's easy to complain on Pinkbike, but unless you are going to do something about it, you're just whining.

Carry on...

 I think they dropped the ball here. Fox did it right by offering both 20mm and 15mm on the same fork. Also, offering a 29 ver without offering a 26 version is just downright odd in my book. How often do you see a long travel 29er besides the Enduro and the WFO?

 Who breaks a thru-axle?

I'm sure it happens, but I've never seen or heard of it.

 @secondtracks that'd be a waste of time and money compared to if they had just made a single crown boxxer like fork.

 @deeeight yes the original intent was to replace xc qr which is great as it was needed but when it was slowly rolled out to forks with 20mm weight savings was the justification that was given.

@taletotell why are they increasing the hub/lower interface to increase stiffness if it isn't an issue? Look at bikerumour and the torque cap "technology" that rs are rolling out.

 I agree that a convertible axle would be a good idea. As far as long travel 29ers go, this fork reduces 150, which works with a 140 travel bike. Not unheard of. I am more excited about the yari, which may finally kill off the 32mm fork for 120mm+ travel.

The torque cap idea started with the rs-1 that really needed it. I am inclined to think taking it to other forks is a gimic.

 It would make sense for RS to just throw a boxxer lower on a lyrik and offer it just to quell the old schoolers out there.

 I am happy to switch and probably will to 15 when I need to but the frustrating part is that they roll out "new tech" that does what the old design did mainly because they spent too much time telling us you don't need the old tech.

 Literally the only people asking for a new revised Lyrik were the 26" bike park crowd who prefer 20mm axles, this is just a giant middle finger to all Rockshox' fans.
I understand the spare parts market had stagnated and so now we're all being forced into 650b so brands can sell new bikes still, but for the same reason dh bikes aren't top sellers, this fork will also attract hardly any oem or aftermarket sales in this configuration as that much travel isn't needed by all the 650b and 29r loving nancies out there.
For the record, I ride 650b as I couldn't buy a 26" anywhere, I feel no real difference in it and find it just harder to manoeuvre and throw around than 26", it all just a big farce.... Rant over.

 So is it no difference or is it harder? Can't be both.
The lyrik fill a huge hole in the rs line up. The 36 came out and RS had nothing to fight back with until now. I was asking for this. So were tons of others.

 @taletotell props to your rant x100000000

 RS still has nothing to fight with the 180mm rc2 36 with. 3 comp settings isnt gonna cut it against independent H/LSC. if theyd have made a mini version of the charger in the boxxer and dropped that in itd be better. I'm not a huge fox fan but if i wanted a 170/180 single crown DH fork regardless of 26 / 27.5 id be going for a 36 rc2 or dropping a 3rd party damper with more adjustment into this chassis.

 I wonder if you could just drop the boxxer one in. They thread the same I am 99% certain.

 15mm, so what's the point? Totally wack shit rockshox. Go home.

 Dammit @hllclmbr and @taletotell, learn English! You must read all the words in a sentence, not pick and choose, as that changes the meaning - I wrote: "no REAL difference"... as in - no major difference. I find 650b to handle slightly worse but on the flipside, grip better, so overall... 'no REAL difference'... It sucks you have to spell things out for complete retards on this website every time!

 The boxxer charger damper doesn't have external high speed compression or beginning stroke rebound either. Just like the Pike and Lyrik it has ending stroke rebound and low speed compression. The Lyrik and Pike also have the 3 position (open, pedal, lock) switch in addition to low speed compression.

 Maybe I interpreted real by its original definition: royal. There is no royal difference. The queen prefers neither. Or maybe I interpreted it as significant difference: within the margin of error or identical for all intents and purposes. I found that my 26" DB mission back in 2010 handled like a 29er. I sound that my spesh bighit handled like a large turd. I found the 26" sortie handled fairly snappy. I found my 27.5 remedy handles the same: better than the mission.
I would need to try it next to my wife's yeti 575 (same size frame) to get a sense of how it compares to them.
Every bike I'd had has been different, from my old kona dog to my iron horse boat anchor yakuza. I'm not sure I can pin it on wheel size. I will say this though. When I ride a 29er I can tell the difference. So you might be right. They might be the same. But then you might be right. They might be different.

 Lyrik measurements aren't posted yet, so I'm not sure but the difference in axle-crown height between a 26 and 27.5 Fox 36 is 12.7 mm. I would imagine RockShox would be somewhere similar. People are freaking the fuck out over 12 millimeters. TWELVE.MILLIMETERS.

 Not true im 5ft 4 and 27.5 feels fine for me. And 29 as well. Notice 27.5 hasnt caught on for dirt jumping where wheel strength matters more as well as maneuverability

 I kinda agree. With the pike already out, theres no need to release basically the exact same thing but a couple grams lighter? They shouldve made the lyrik more freeride oriented to seperate it more from the pike. Now they basically have 3 of the same fork. Keep it simple rockshox.

 Exactly that. It's just a pike that weighs more. I'd buy a pike myself to save a bit of weight. Actually I'd buy a marzocchi 350 ti while the price is low. 15mm but it's worth it for coil and open bath. Marzocchi will get picked up this year, problem solved.

I don't see the point of this fork. Even if you could fit boxer 20mm lowers on it who would do that? Just buy a 36 or a metric. You've lost it with this fork, rockshox.

 Or you can wait the new 2016/17 Boxxer with 15mm axle.

 I see a lot of complaints here that the new Lyrik isn't 26" and 20mm thru axle. If you read the end of the article or visited Rockshox's website you all would've noticed that the Lyrik rc2dh is still for sale with 20mm axle and they are offering a drop in charger damper for $300. I'm not sure how they "dropped the ball" on that one when the fork you all want is clearly available, and you can modify your old Lyrik, too.

For four years I have enjoyed a Lyrik RC2L on my enduro and would be happy to drop a $300 damper upgrade in there if I still rode that bike on a regular basis. I ride a 29" Xfusion trace now with 15mm axle, 34mm stanchions and 140 travel. One thing I noticed right away was that my current fork chassis was no where near as beefy as the lyric. I would've loved to try a pike but its gonna be hard to pass up the $700 yari with 140 travel and the motion control damping. My son has motion control on his reba and I actually prefer it to a 3 switch damping system. I would have bought a solo air pike RC already but they're only available OEM and no one seems to want to get rid of them.
I wonder how the Yari would fair in a side by side test with the new generation Xfusion trace

 Except the older model doesn't come in 180mm. So your argument is invalid.

 I've always been a Sram fanboy but all their new stuff is seriously shit. First they give us boost and now this "improved"version of the Lyrik that is worse than the old one. Come on Sram engineers, we kown you can make great stuff (Pike, 1x11, X01DH,...) why do you confront us with all this bullshit?

 180mm, ~38mm stanchions, 20mm axle, charger damper, 5 lbs - youd have nothing but praise. This is still basically a pike. Coulda been so much more.

 ill be interested when available in 20mm axles, in case rockshox was wondering.

 @inked-up-metalhead, what was it that you didn't like about this Lyrik when you test rode it?

 I couldn't test ride it because ive only got 20mm front wheels...

 If it's stiff it's stiff. If it's not it's not.

 Maybe it can't be so much more than a pike. Maybe the pike is one of the best forks on the market right now and this makes it available to more new bikes. Maybe better suspension tech hasn't developed yet.
So from what I can see people either want the old lyrik with the new damper an one more cm of travel (so much more) out they want a new totem.
There isn't enough market for a totem when the boxxer is lighter and does the same job.

 @inked-up-metalhead: ohhhh.... you didn't.... how do you know it's f*cked up than?

 The only boxxer that is/was lighter than a totem is a WC which was at least £300 more. 2015 team has only just got under 2.9kg. Original totem IIRC was 2.85kg

if there's no market for a fully adjutable totem/lyrik, why are fox still making the 36 180 RC2 float ?

 Totem was a failed cause, it came out when 66 was ruling the segment, it was heavy (only 100g less than Marzo only 200g less than Boxxer) had issues with dust seal stiction and holding oil in, while strangely common 2-step air version was giving it a very bad name. It also suffered from teething problems of otherwise great mission control damper. Finaly it was the end of huck era, NWD lost to Roam, It simply came at a wrong time. When Fox released 180 I only ride park was gaining momentum, and the whole fork was well executed in every aspect from the moment of release.

This Lyrik is a one big Meh overshadowed by the hype of it's older brother Pike. It just looks as if RS made a quick fix to keep the OEM market for super enduro monsters like, Capra, Kona 167 or Enduro 29.

 Ding...we have a winner... most of the options on the above specs list are OEM only, that's the market that Rockshox cares most about. And the OEM doesn't care about 26" wheels anymore, or 20mm axles.

 Probably anticipating more Enduro 29ers because of the races being won on them.

 Well you can't run only on OeM when you are Rockshox, as this is the territory of RS Suntour when it comes to margins and sht. You have to showcase some cutting edge technology, and Pike bubble is slowly bursting as Fox realized they were losing parking lot tests. i know that executives at Hyuandai are far richer than owners of Porsche, but still, this is a very slippery ground having Suntour below and Fox above. I still have no clue how has RS managed to convince the whole biking world that A) Pike offers something new, while it basically is a 8 years old Fox RC2 architecture (being a bicycle adaptation of MX cartridges) and B) Revelations RTC3 is nothing more but better dialled Fox CTD. I have no clue how it went under people's radars. It must be same case as with IPhone. You hold same sht under your nose but someone delivers it to you in a more digestive package.

But I think PB crowd is after genuine technological innovation, not resizing. This Lyrik is not a breakthrough by any means just a Pike on high heels. Who cares? People looking forward to what future brings, a genuine change not some sht they can munch at the moment and pretend it wins medals

So as for pinkbike audience, I guess no innovation, no care

 Totem failed because the original lyrik was so good and hit a great weight balance/price point. being just a tad over 2.4kg(solo air) whilst much lighter than a 66 . yes the SL version was pretty light @2.6 but i remember those being the first marzo that really started suffering from production issues. I remember the RCs weighed in at a gnats cock under 3kg although claimed weight was 2.8. The thing was most people were riding 32mm forks so jumping to 40mm totem with the weight penalty when you could have a lyrik at the same weight as a 32mm pike was a no brainer.

2 step was crap but again so was ATA and talas at the time.

Now everything is a lot lighter, RS should be using the totem chassis and making it as light as possible (if they can shave the lyrik from 2.4 to 2 then surely the bigger chassis could be trimmed down too) with 180mm travel.

the 180mm market is pretty damn small i will agree but if your gonna bother to put something out at least make it what the people buying that kinda thing are looking for

 I mentioned 2-step, because for unexplainable reasons there were exceptionally many totems with that system. There was a time at my friends shop where he had 3 or 4 totems waiting for solo air replacement.

 Don't worry, Now you guys can put your hope on new Totem with 38mm Stanchion, 20mm pinch bolt axle, weight at 2.3kg and 180mm only.

 Maybe the boxxer would get a stanchion upgrade too so it would be closer to the 40 in stiffness and the totem and boxxer could share lowers and dampers. It isn't a bad idea, especially with so many other great DH forks coming out lately. Or maybe we will see a rockshox long travel inverted fork. Not likely, but the RS1 is supposed to be a good little inverted critter.

 But Fox did some stuff to 40 so it feels more like a Boxxer. Their team riders complained on it being too stiff.

 So maybe 35mm forks are the ideal and the lyrik is actually well thought out? I am struggling to see the problem people are having. Except for the final 10mm of travel it seems like the current 26mm lyrik with a new damper is exactly what everyone wants: a mini boxxer.
I should stop beating the dead horse. In 5 years these will be prolific just like the 26 lyrik a few years ago. The yari will be on middle bikes alongside the low end fox 34, and no one will be remembering the good old days of crappy 32mm forks on $2500 bikes. Instead forums will abound with conversations about changing pikes into lyriks and how the new 36 still actually needs service to remain plush, and Suntour will buy marzocchi and use it to finally break through to the top end, but no one will trust it and customer service will suck. . .
In other words life will go on.

 Stiffness is overrated, just like light weight. The reason 40 is so stiff is for uppers don't bend too much at G-outs so that lowers can slide on them. That was the thing detonating lowers on 32 Boxxers In the section between bushings, back in the days. But it comes at a cost of tracing as too stiff fork bounces around. The issue could have been solved if Pike didn't come along with it's impressive 1800g weight at a stupid low price (Pikes go for 750$ in Europe). It would require putting a sliding surface inside lowers and a bushing at the end of the uppers. In this way bushing spacing increases with travel. It would be A more expensive and B heavier, but it would allow best compromise between handling and stiffness. I guess in general, since old Lyrik was such a great fork and Pike became such a hit, people were expecting more but at the same time, we may be seeing the butt of the end of development of MTB suspension technology and since those forks are so good these days, I ain't going to cry about it. MX folk reached the peak in that area many years ago and they are not really bummed. If it would be so, the next series of Pukes and Lyriks would have some stupid bell and whistle, probably some electronic BS or carbon crown.

 I've got a totem and have also had some other forks. Actually I pulled the totem apart for a service last night as I'm going to start using it again. I'm my opinion, what's good about it is it looks rude and it has 180mm travel. It's also big enough to use 650b but you'd have to limit it to 170mm so that's kind of a moot point. What's bad about it is pretty much everything else. It has too much stiction and it is too heavy. Obviously no one wants 40mm legs because things only get canned when they stop selling. Basically the lyrik works better and is cheaper and lighter. Rockshox won't build anything bigger than 35mm again, but they should have used the boxxer 20mm lowers for the new lyrik. That's a mistake. They already have them, why not use them? Otherwise it's too similar to the pike. The old lyrik was available oem as 180 too, further to my death of the totem beliefs.

 Sucks eh! Marzocchi are not doing so well, I was kinda hoping the new lyrik would have charge damper etc… and would be a perfect upgrade.
Oh no, not available in 26" Bunch of C-units.

Rockshox you have failed so hard to deliver something a lot of people want. Surely different stanchion/crown combos would have been the easy way change between wheel sizes.

 Yes they failed to deliver because for all the talk of people here, and propping up others who said what they have thought, those numbers aren't actually enough to justify a production run of a fork for 26 inch wheels. SRAM is not in the business of losing money just to please internet fan boys who clearly aren't actually going out and spending money on new products each year. Kirk Pacenti is blowing out his remaining inventory of DL31 26er rims BECAUSE so far this year, and we're now in july, he hadn't sold a single one of them.

pacenticycledesign.com/index.php/blog/entry/is-the-26-wheel-dead

 deeeight- I just ordered 2x Ex471, 2x Superstar Tactic and 1x Superstar Ds-25. all in 26". If I could only buy Pacenti rims in Europe at same prices as he sells them in US, it would be 3x DL31 and 2x TL28

 Well since I first read about Kirk's clearance a few days ago, he's sold precisely TWO of the rims. and that's with it being posted about on mtbr and here in respective 26er forums. And while he says 50% off in his posting about them, the actual MSRP is $90 so really its 66.66% off

 I buy 2 if he can ship tonEU for 10 quid

 They aren't selling because they are shitty rims!

 @deeeight, well Ok fair comments, but I believe people are moaning about it more because they are being told what they can have, and feel like all their hard earned is potentially, in a short space of time is wasted. (It feels like that for me).

At the end of the day, riding is a hobby for me (and a load of people too I guess), as long as I can have spares then I'm cool with that.

 And what's this exposed stanchion insanity? Without fork boots those things will be toast after 1 ride!

 What am I supposed to do with all these 9mm qr wheels? Jeeze guys. . .

 And no 65mm travel option???? WTF

 At least they got the black stanchions right. Fits in with at least half the bikes at Walmart with susp forks.

 Yea a 26", 20mm, 180 travel version would be a great park fork.

 Remember boost? Cant sell it if you offer 20mm as well...
Btw 2010 Revelation 20mm was incredibly stiff for 32mm fork. But with boost you can screw us over with more stile.
Rant over

 Not sure why sram loves 15mm so much, their top of the line pike dj fork is only 15mm? Who the fudge would buy a 15mm fork for dirt jumping?

 Because #1 with the improvements to the rest of the fork the 20mm axle isn't required and #2 the industry as a whole are settling around 15mm as the new standard for front wheel thru-axle diameters. The hub spacing may vary but only needing one diameter does simplify everyone's job for manufacturing (bearings, axle rod suppliers, etc). 15x100 is going to largely be everything from XC to Enduro, 15x110 is going to be the plus bikes and ones where they're trying to boost wheel strength, 15x135 and 15x150 for Fat bikes. Now if they could only agree on the end threading pitch/length and QR design, you could at least swap axles between different brands of forks.

 Lyrik the SC fork for every DH rider out there with 180 travel,good competition for the Fox 36 180

 because improvements? jayzus. reread 2 articles below this one.

 So do you want more standards or less? Come up make up your mind

 @MDRipper It wasn't SRAM that killed the 15mm axle, it was Fox. SRAM had 20mm options for a while (Older Lyriks and Revelations) but Fox stuck with 15mm and hub manufacturers kind of killed off 20mm.

 The new Yamaha YZ250FX has 22mm front axle. Sure its supported by a big fat moto fork but its also holding the weight and force of a dirt bike

 Torque Caps as a "new standard" to sell your own wheels?

Makes SRAM look very Trekked.

 I have a 160mm Lyric Solo Air on my 26" Slash - the 'Charger RCT3' damper upgrade is sure tempting... It'll keep me in the game on this bike for a few years longer.

Love the frame, love the geo, already have a few wheelsets (20mm), so this is a welcome surprise.

 The X Fusion Metric HLR already exists. 20mm axle, 163-180mm travel, stout as f@#k

oh and its available in a 26" version

 People who moan about 15mm. I would love to know, whether you'd actually feel the difference in a blind test?

Are you basing your opinion on older generation noodle forks, that just happened to have 15mm axles, or legitimately feel the difference between two equal forks - one set at 15 and the other at 20?

 torque cap on these is what 20mm solved initially, isn't it? make the 15mm axle stiffer by increasing the fork flange interface? man...

 20mm axle is only slightly stiffer. The bigger issue is the lack of a 26" fork.

 If it's such an issue, why not ride the 27.5 just with 26" wheels?
More clearance is pretty much the only thing you'd notice.

 You're so wrong about this, because they'll never "settle on a standard". The moment it looks like there is a standard in place, they will present a "new standard" for more planned obsolescence.

 agreed. it is what it is. those who have zero reason to switch perfectly good whls and with sound skills literally gotta ride till the wheels fall off i guess. progress...you evil, b*tch in disguise! hehe

 @sup3rc0w.... that's too obvious a solution for the folks who would rather complain on the internet....650B got to where it is because 26er forks/frames existed to take 650B tires as conversions to get the ball rolling. That 650B frames/forks today can thus convert the OTHER way with a sufficient width/diameter of 26er tire seems lost on most.

 Stop there, you just given marketing 2 separate Enduro formats. Trail Enduro Or Gravity Enduro

 I am more of an all-mountain-enduro-trail-mountain-freeride type of biker. I need a special fork for that. With a 17.5mm axle(almost as strong as 20mm but still lighter, most likely has better roll over or something).

 At least All Mountain Enduro is gone.

 @streetfighter848

I would say the Fox 36 is also an excellent choice. 36mm stanchions, 1 1/8" steerer, 20mm thru axle, 26" wheel model, travel up to 180mm.

 Your absolutely right. I put a 27.5 fox float on my brothers bike and it looks no different than the 26 he had. I couldn't tell and no one else could either.

 this gives me another reason to keep my 26" fox 36 on my bike. If RS releases a totem for 26" wheels again, I would buy it.

 Your old lyrik will last forever for those who are crying about the lack of old standards. The seals and damper for this will fit it, as will the bushings and stanchions. Basically you can't use these lowers, but you can use the lowers off the boxxer so you literally can completely rebuild the old 26" 20mm lyrik using all new parts if you really want to.
As for your 26" wheels, that is a different story. Your tire selection is shrinking, your rim selection is shrinking, even your hub selection is getting smaller bit by bit. Lets cry about that for a while and give the new kickass fork a brake for a while.

 @fabriciofracchia It's made of steel and has a much thicker wall thickness, so it is not really relevant at all.....

 27.5 forks sit higher, and if you have a 26 bike it would change the geo

 It is still a change. Even a little change can make a big difference. Just look at the uses of angle headsets a half deg change can make a bike feel and fit different.

 @WayneParsons, Metric is a great fork but if anything goes wrong like mine, you're f*cked. Customer support is a laughing joke, and parts don't exist period! Hopefully Fox has finally dialed in the 26" Float 180X20mm?

 That's what I thought when I put a 160mm fork to replace my 140 but here we are and I shred like a bat outta hell. The change in geo doesn't count for spit when I'm behind the bars. I could ride a huffy beach cruiser down the mtn and still shred. The semantics of the tired ol argument is a bone well chewed on and lost all its flavor. If you can perform it don't matter what ride or "geometry" you have.
It boils down to how you handle your self on 2 wheels.

 @taletotell ding ding ding ....... exactly. Quite honestly Im happy with my RC2DH damper I'm not even interested in Charge. This 26 fork of mine will carry me through the rest of my frames life and then when it's time - it's 27.5 for my trail bike. Why fight it? I want the best components out there, I'm not going to compromise my choices in the name of being stubborn. I'm also not going to drop $1000 bucks on a fork with dated standards - not many would - hence why they are not producing this fork in 26.

 @dirtdoctor Customer service is a joke? Brian from RCS is one of the best in the business! I have never once been left without spares and anytime I need repairs it gets done right away. What specifically are you referencing? Because my experience has been top notch. Best I've encountered in my 20ish years in the bike industry. Its part of the reason why I chose to buy X Fusion suspension is for the customer service.

 ^have had same great experience with xfusion as well. always got a prompt response back regarding anything

 its not that im against 15mm hubs but if i already have a few wheelsets with 20mm front hubs im not going to buy a fork that isnt compatible. besides front hubs last forever, the amount of $ involved is not worth it. however if i bought a new bike i might consider the 15mm hub, but i still cant swallow the 650b pill.

 @deeeight your one of those people with solutions to problems that dont exist.

 you don't want to take medicine for a non-existant condition, whitebullit? me neither.

 fine, keep living in the yesteryear... the rest of the world will move along happily without you.

 living in the now, deeeight. ...and right now there is no difference in yours and my version of happily moving along on the trail with the rest of the world regardless of wheel size. glad to face the herd. buy what ya think ya need to move along happily. no right or wrong

 deeeight, why do you expect people to keep buying and buying all the latest standards year in year and out when a lot of the new standards are purely for marketing/money making only, are you a bike shop owner or sales rep or something bike retail related by any chance, I'm all for upgrading but only when it makes a worthwhile improvement to actually justify the cost, sorry but imo a lot of the new standards/trends coming out recently look to be a waste of money.

 @WayneParsons Ok I don't mind talking about it here because I'm pissed. Sent the fork to Brian $28 for a warranty CSU - creaky as hell steer tube. Received it back with the same CSU and gobs of green locktight on the stantions, wtf are you kidding me! Sent him an angry email, no response. So I Called Quebec to buy the CSU 3 months ago which was back ordered, sent them an inquire a week ago no response. I'm a chill mountain biker, but this company sucks.

 green loctite #620 is actually what you use for sleeve fittings and pressing bearings onto drive shafts and the like, though they should have cleaned the excess off before it hardened.

 @dirtdoctor sorry to hear that. My dealings with RCS for the past 6-7 years have been above par.

 Try to buy a used RC2DH and buy the upgrade kit! For sure less expensive then the new one!

 why by the rc2dh cartridge if you're going to upgrade the damper. get the cheapest version of the old lyrik you can get a hold of with the spring setup you like...personally, im a fan of the solo air

 And the old damper has multiple external adjustments

 Damn sorry, I meant the Lyrik R not the RC2DH.. my fault!

 Let your money do the talking. If RS/Fox no longer offer 26" forks buy from someone that does. I believe BOS and X-fusion still offer 26" models (I'm sure there's others as well).

 Trailsoup: It would be cheaper to buy a new 650b bike than to buy a 26" BOS fork

 fanatikbike.com/m/product/bos-idylle-air-26-11969.htm?variations=55315&gclid=CjwKEAjw8e2sBRCYte6U3suRjFESJAB4gn_giUzOZFBqLX-Yw9-xMz7w1vS8eGQttmoq5wA_dxTecxoCNa_w_wcB

Look what I found Pedro. Thats dirt cheap

 this^
forced to $$$

 Exactly...old stuff doesn't generate money for companies. #Buynewstuffyoudontneed

Coot

 Nonsense... if they're supporting old stuff with a Charge damper upgrade, that's above and beyond the call of duty, and they should be congratulated for offering the upgrade.

 @Spittingcat this is true too... my '11 boxxer is 100% better with the drop in charger damper

 True with the upgrade. No 26" for these though. I do feel sorry for the folks that are sticking with 26" as it has got to be getting harder every year.

Coot

 This just in. All 27.5" forks will fit a 26" wheel. The added clearance and mildly slacker geo are provided free of charge.

 Phased out, forgotten, whatever. Nobody is forcing you to buy new stuff. They are targeting their manufacturing efforts on where they are going to sell the most product. 27.5 is the new industry standard wheelsize. This doesn't mean you can't keep using and loving your 26er but it does mean that you probably won't be able to buy the latest gear for it. Forks don't really die if they are properly maintained. By the time they do, usually the rest of the bike is ready to be replaced.

 @cueTIP doesn't it bother you at all that they are changing their specs just to make people by new stuff that is more expensive. I hate that shit. I appreciate companies both bike and non bike that don't force the customer to change for changing sake.

 Not even slightly. Have you ever stopped to consider that their primary motivation may actually be performance related?

Even if it isn't why does it matter? It makes no financial sense to put a $1000 fork on an old bike when you can buy a new bike for $3000 with said fork. They are even offering a charger upgrade for people with existing forks.

Seems to me that everyone on Pinkbike batches about literally every new product. If the industry didn't keep reinventing things I would be pissed. I know for a fact that my new bikes are orders of magnitude better than my 2001 stinky and the 1998 mongoose I still have in my garage, and all the bikes before that. If they never introduced the 20mm axle my Wilson wouldn't be possible. If they hadn't introduced the 150mm rear hub my rear end would be much more prone to broken spokes. If they hadn't killed the v-brake I would be a lot more hesitant to rip down my local trails. The threaded steerer, the non indexed shifter, the concept of suspension etc.

15mm has been around for over 6 years now. It's here to stay. Buy a hub conversion or a new wheel. Everything else still works. 27.5 has no drawbacks compared to 26". It may not have any major improvements either but I can personally attest to the slightly improved traction provided by the larger diameter.

They are in business to make money just like I am. Just like you are. That is how this works. If you don't like it, don't buy a new bike. Otherwise who the hell cares? The 26-27.5 transition has taken well over 2 years. Your old bike still works, this isn't forced obsolescence it is forced progression.

 Avalanche cartridge is a better upgrade for an older Lyric in comparison to the charger dampers I've ridden. Also, all my front wheels are 20mm on my DH, trail and DJ bikes, even the 27.5 bikes I've got, so fuck 15 x 110mm axles on forks.

 @CliffRacer - Just buy a $30 hub conversion. 15x110 is for + size wheel/tire combos, not for normal 27.5" wheelsets. That is still 15x100.

 Bingo.

 I agree.

 Why would you use 26 version when 27.5 takes 26 wheels anyway ?

 When your 26" frame requires a lower stack height to get the proper front end geometry. That extra inch will put another .5-1 degree of head angle in there plus if you are running a 2.5" DH tyre you won't have as much clearance for the side knobs (but more for the top of the tyre)

 Because the rake is different

 It's not an extra inch, it is an extra 1cm. The trail is different (better IMHO, because the 26 trail was calculated for bikes with steep angles), you can compensate the stack height with a flatter bar. You also get ~+3mm BB height. Angles get little slacker, but this does not hurt these days.
Anyway, I run 27.5 pike on a 26 bike, and for me it works great (after lowering stem by 1cm).

 Or I could (an probably will) buy from a company that supports 26

 Says at the bottom that they'll be selling a charger damper that will fit in the 26in Lyrik.

 That's ok, but actually I'm happy with my Lyrik's performance and I'm not gonna give the half of the money of a new fork for such an upgrade. But when I decide to go for a brand new fork one day there is no option for me here. It's ridiculous to made a 180mm fork and not having a 26", 20mm option. I'm shocked to be honest.

 yeah, I am starting to fear for my bike, I have a 26" 2012 Revelation and the plan was to replace it with a Pike or a Lyrik as soon as the Fork is no longer good, it's been almost 4 years and no sign of the Revelation wearing out, I am afraid that when the Fork finally wears out, there wont be any 26" Pike nor Lyrik in the market.

 FWIW, My buddy has been running a 27.5 XFusion Vengance on a 26" bike with zero problems for at least a year. 27.5 forks pretty much work fine on 26" bikes.

 Yep. Unless this thing somehow ends up being a piece of crap for some unforeseen circumstance the Yari will be the next fork on my Mason.

 As long as it has less flex than the revelation... its impossible for it to be worse.

 They still make the 26 Lyric, its a great fork, its cheaper now, and its still 20mm and 26. So... your crying for what?

 Didn't fox nix CTD after it was jammed down our throats by marketing. Then proceeded to be hung out to dry by the same media as a terrible damper. They honestly suck so bad. Now everything will be the new fit 4 damper.

 Mountain biking is expensive. This is not news.

 I get that and I would love to buy the yari. When i start adding up the costs, instead of a really quick fork refresh, I'm getting closer to metric's and 36's in price. Just sucks because I like rock shox forks.

 Just buy something used or NOS with a 20mm axle. Unless you like to spend money on new things there are always totems and fox 36's for less than a yari. Let the idiots keep spending their money on new and improved standards. Hopefully these same people keep selling their "dated" gear for less.

 Your right it is bud so why would we wanna spend any more than we have to. Back in the day when I needed a fork I had full range of forks from each brand. And all I had to do was buy one and install it. Now I have to make sure I find the exact fork I need which very few forks have full 1 1/8 steerer and 20mm axle anymore. So if I wanna go new my options are really limited unless I pay for a new frame to fit new 1.5 or tapered steerer than a new hub for the 15mm axle thats at the very least. Thats if I could find a 26" frame so if I couldn't and had to go 27.5 now ive gotta get new wheels which means new treads and it just keeps adding up. Good thing ive got and old Santa Cruz jackal with s types on it as long as the argyles stay 1 1/8 ill be good for years to come!!!

 LOL

 The 27.5" version will work just fine on your 26" bike.

 As a lyrik rc2dh owner considering the charger upgrade option, i appreciate your opinion.

 What exactly are you trying to say here?

 Because that's where the industry is going to meet the demands of the actual buyers spending the real dollars, not the people whining about it and not really spending any money. The industry moved away from 26" because sales had dropped off significantly enough to no longer justify producing the fancy parts in that wheel format. Same goes with 15mm replacing 20mm in terms of thru-axles. There once was a time when suspension forks had so much flex, that a whole cottage industry sprang up around aftermarket upgrades to tame that flex. Different fork braces, new lowers, suspension hubs with oversized axles, oversized axle end caps, better skewers, etc. Except as forks got stiffert the need for those things went away, and now the need for 20mm axles is likewise, going away.

 My next bike will be a 27.5" not because it what's I "demand," but because it's all that's available.

 Deeeight. You make good points on PB many times. I like reading your input.

You made some good points in an earlier post about waiting to find what meets your needs; things come along eventually and we can pick up bargains. I picked up a 26 Pike earlier this year on clearance just for when my current forks die a death.... no disputing that.

However, I am fed up of reading that the MTB industry is only "meeting the demands of the actual buyers spending real dollars".

Is there really a perfectly balanced relationship in the MTB industry between the consumer and producer where the producer only makes what the customer wants after doing extensive consumer research?

You, I and every sane minded person who has even a modicum of sense knows that it is not that open-and-shut simple.

So, could I ask you a favour; you have every right to tell me to take a hike, but anyways, here goes.

1) Read this. www.helpscout.net/blog/why-steve-jobs-never-listened-to-his-customers
2) Then I'd be interested to hear your take on the following:

"To what extent is innovation and product development in the MTB industry led by moving consumers emotionally to accept the innovations created by the product development team and to what extent is it led by research into consumer desires for new products"

If you had the time, many here may be interested to find out your take on that.

 A quick reply on the question at the end... 650B taking over the industry was led by research into consumer desire, because it was consumers doing conversions thanks to one guy producing tires, and a couple rim makers offering rims that got the industry owners/managers to realize a good thing was staring them in the face. And none of them wanted to be left holding the bag again like happened to many brands with 29ers.

 Absolutely, everyone's favorite Kirk, after the captain of course.

One guy with a vision, one guy making tires and a couple of rim makers. Exactly deeeight. One guy with a vision and a couple of rim makers. It was a great opportunity staring the industry in the face. No-one asked the vast majority of riders (if you read the link I gave you, they'd all ask for Swan Lake again); no, dont for christ's sake ask the majority becuase they don't want innovation, they want more of the same.

And that is why I am over being told that I, my mates, my mates' mates, my Japanese mates and my Japanese mates' mates demand for 650B was why it has taken over the industry.

It wasn't us. It never was. It was Kirk, the visionary, his motivation and vision, and a bunch of industry owners/managers realizing there was an opportunity to educate the inertia laden masses.

He has done us all a favour by shaking up the applecart, putting a "dink" in the universe (to paraphrase Steve Jobs), and led us kicking and screaming down the garden path to better bikes. We should all thank him for that; and all other similar innovators.

The consumer is always the last to jump on the wagon; and most of the time needs to be co-erced into realising they need what the innovators have created. We all know that is how it works, so PLEASE, I am begging you, stop telling us it was us who asked.

Have a good evening and enjoy the week. Look forward to reading other stuff in the future.

 It is a good read. Better than using your time on this thread.

 Wow, this is probably one of the best comments I've ever seen on here.

Why are people so stuck on 20mm? just because it is a larger diameter does not mean it is any stiffer or better.

 deeeight is the perfect nemesis for a perfect PB commenter, a perfect match, he quotes actual facts which are exactly what people don't want to hear, pixxing them off. He doesn't get only one thing, his consumers are irrational and they will buy any longer story, and standards, wheel sizes are mostly trends, so just because people buy it and ask for it, does not make a product any more valid in reality and does not make PB whining any less valuable than everything that comes out of deeeights high-horse arse.

And 15mm is an excellent example, originated as PR project to sell thru axles to weight sensitive crowd, no science nor engineering involved, in 99% of cases, no weight saving either. But it looks lighter and breaks reference to a DH 20mm axle. In general, this Lyrik is a joke, I see no reason what so over why not to go for a lighter Pike instead. Fox has it sorted out with 36 180.

 Sorry, but can't agree with deeeight on moving on from 26ers. If RS is meeting demand, it is only meeting the demand of OEM customers, not consumers. It's all about the numbers / dough /bjs or however you call money nowadays.

Just look back a few years what happened: FOX was feeding us the CTD crap with all the MK engines at full throttle, RS was the underdog/second choice OEM supplier until they nailed it perfectly with the new PIKE. It took a while until the hype (from riders, not publishers) got to the surface and RS got enough courage to challenge FOX officially on the MK field. The PIKE was a great product, greatly engineered and executed, it beat up FOX fair and square. Unfortunately for RS they could not extend the good PR on other products fast enough, mostly because on the suspension front they had nothing new, besides the PIKE, so they kept beating on it, making it better.

Now, a few years passed, FOX lost OEM ground and crowd hype/support, so they gathered they engineers, sent away their accountants for a vacation and produced the new 36. As with all good products, they come only when the company's in dire straits (let's hope For MZ). So, FOX did the right engineering/execution, going all in, all wheel sizes, all axles, all heads, all travels, stiff and sub 2kg. Also, opened up for self tuning and service. They produced a fork as a Pinkbiker would like it, everything for everybody. Unfortunately, the bean counters came back too soon and they priced it high. Started the Mk and PR engines and hope for some OEM ground regain.

FF to present, RS is doing all the accounting now, less engineering (some brand/product extension) more economies and synergies. I think they would lose in the medium term, as they need something new and they still don't have it or don't think they need it.

Similar examples: Shimano vs Avid brakes ? who was the king of OEM specced brakes ? The Elixir range, Shimano was at the end of the cue. What happened ? We all know, the big S introduced on of the best brake range in the market and wiped the floor with EVERYBODY in the brake business ! You could even buy SRAM fully specced bikes but with XT brakes
. Why ? because they were just better. Result ? Avid is gone, hello SRAM branded greatly engineered Guide brakes...

26 vs 29 ers ? Yes, the answer, is 27 not because it's great and better and pioneers and co, but because 29ers had a too slow market penetration and companies needed a quick fix to keep the hype up and the numbers rolling in. The pioneers just handed them the answer on a plate !

And this can go on and on.

My opinion is that you are way too biased in your (financial) opinions and yell at Pinkbikers as if we want to bankrupt the industry. There are way more forces involved !
Get in the present and stop yelling at us ! We don't want to change our bikes because the upgrade is marginal sometimes and if the companies are not coming with greater products, then they should and will die or at least lose market share. Do I need to give you examples again ?

 Get a kona process 167. It has 26" wheels and a lykric.

 No.

 @Charge262 WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR??? (interrogator voice) Sram?

 Yah come on guys 26 inch and 20mm was so two years ago move on. Just go buy a new bike and stop complaining lol but honestly iv'e rode 29's and 27.5 and id still take a 26 any day. funny it doesn't seem to hard keeping up to my buddys on 27.5 considering how much better everyone says they are.

 26" wheel and 20mm axle is still the best combo. For wheel size it's personal. For axle size it's out of question. I'm not against moving on. I'm against moving on in a wrong direction.

 Putting a 26" on a 27.5 would be dumb unless you enjoy bashing the chainring on every little log or rock you try and go over!!!

 Putting a 26" wheel on a 27.5" fork would do the complete opposite of that. a 650b fork is taller, not shorter than a 26" version, you raise the BB.

My god. Front page logic.

 You have to be one stupid fella if you think putting a "smaller" wheel size on a fork thats like saying putting 24s on a 26 would raise it higher your a complete moron!!!

 Wow. Just fucking wow.

 Good stuff mhoshal- very entertaining. When it finally clicks, you're going to feel really stupid.

 This is literally the only relevant complaint I've seen about no 26". Even Trek still has a 26" park bike.

That said, they'll probably drop it after this year, put 650b wheels on it next year, or just sell it with a 27.5 fork.

I've got a buddy who's been running a 27.5 Vengance for a year on a 26" with no drama, FWIW.

 forgot to mention most huckable bikes like dirt jump and 4x are 26 so while they are niche 26 inch wheels serve a purpose, also who the heck is gonna huck a 29er hard enough to require a fork like a lyrik.

 Nobody. Don't tell that to a long travel 29'er rider though, they need it.

 yeah im pretty sure wade simmons or curtiss keane would dirty their underwear if they didn't have one. really guys catch a grip, why don't you go ride another wheel size and see how it rides, and if you have and don't like it then so be it.different horses n all that .I cant afford brand new forks I loved the totem and lyrik and dh bikes , but ive got 3xkids and one bike and its a 29er remedy and I can tell you it handles as well as the 26 does if you have any talent on a bike the wheel size dosent matter as long as your riding its all good.

 yup. The pike was considered a match for the 36 even with less travel. What else could you want? Don't say 20mm and 26". it has been said enough.

 What I'm saying is why the hell not just give the pike a bit more travel?

 The pike was just a lyrik with a bit less travel in the first place. It was the answer for everyone who was sick of flexy forks in that size bracket. Admittedly this is not a new mind blowing fork. It is something that should have been released at the same time as the pike. So the big selling point is reverse compatibility and the increase range of travel. A good question is whether the air spring for the old lyrik, increasing its travel to 180.

 Dropping your bb 9mm doesn't sound like a good idea especially on a fully

 Maybe it's for big boned riders who need more stiffness...

 or buy a domain lower for your new lyrik. . .

 Ehm, you dont see the problem here, do you? If there are hundreds or thousands of people that are passionate about mtb to the degree of writing their complaints on the interweb, then the logic of "this is what buyers want, and you few old fashioned oddballs can suck it" isnt right.
Introducing new wheel diameters means that riders will have more options, indeed.
I want 26", 160-180mm, 16kg (~35lbs) bike with an option of running front derailleur, 20mm pinch bolt axle and ~66° head angle that can be peddaled to the top of hill and wont struggle or acquire excessive wear and tear (Im not sure if this is right expression) on the occasional downhill track ride. Oh, but that is just not an option nowadays.....

 I used to believe people controlled the market too, but that is only generally true. Our demand for new and better drives the market. The development guys direct that desire into new items through their own research. What you want sounds like a sweet bike. In fact it sounds like a 2010 Nomad. Get one. Ride it for 10 years. Maybe by then 26 will be back. If you want a new lyrik get an old one and drop a damper in it. Your problem is solved except tires. You may want to stock pile those and rims.

 @taletotell I actually ride '08 Ransom with Van 36. I would ride it for nex 10 years without problem, but I really can see a day, when I will break that sweet frame (espacially as I dont ride that ultra-progressive proprietary rear shock, because it kept failing every 2 months). And I am scared that I wont be able to find that Nomad for sale somewhere in that time....
Maybe Im just stubborn or old fashioned (heh, 24 yo), but I cant stand that be-faster-on-650b-racing-hype. I dont want to be faster, I dont usually race (as what, 95% of people riding bikes?) and when I do, I dont take it so seriously. I want to have fun...
I agree about the innovations, but some of them are unnecessarily phasing out perfectly working things. 1x11 drivetrain for example - great thing for racers and people who can handle the gears (and ride relatively lightweight bikes). But this innovation leads to frames which arent front derailleur compatible - and this is issue when one wants to ride his heavy bike up some long and steep climbs.

 You may have to stockpile a lot of stuff. . . We see old bikes come in to the shop all the time. They sell for a couple hundred bucks too. that may just be our proximity to Park City, but there seems to be no shortage of 25 year old mountain bikes hanging around. i think you will be alright for a frame.

 The new 350 was surprisingly good! Just worried about that company being around for support in the future.

 you can ride it while using your blackberry. . .

 I read on another forum that its the Moto division that is struggling not the MTB division. It was an employee at Marzocchi who gave that information, having seen the financials. They're up for sale, they're not being closed down. Every company with shares is technically up for sale. I'm not worried - I have the new enduro shock (053 S3C2R) on the way I have 55 RC3 Ti Evo V2 (catchy name) on the front....26" wheels...20mm axle....perfect.

 i just keep waiting for the new marzocchi dropper post to come out, hopefully it will soon

 It's is a question of who will buy marz. Sr Suntour could use it. That might be the boost the need to get back in the game with their high end. But if some Walmart producer buys them it is game over.

 They don't make windows 95 programs anymore either... DAMN IT

 LOL

 I have a frame thats still going strong that lets me ride as hard and as fast as anyone else. there is no reason for me to upgrade it for the sake of upgrading. It just means i can buy older forks cheaper

 Then don't whine about it.

 Look closer, it says yari on the arch.

 Now it does ; )
This pic was before that www.pinkbike.com/u/mikekazimer/album/RockShox16/?directtolastphoto

 it will come on cheaper bikes and make for a cheap aftermarket. Keep your eye out for used ones in a couple years for $300 or less and then upgrade the damper. This is the nicest thing a suspension company ever did for you. They basically killed the revelation so we can have a better fork on cheap bikes.

 I can see from your user name you think 'bigger is better,' but stanchion size is not the only thing that makes a fork stiff. Keeping stanchions the same size is good for cross compatibility, design, and tooling.

 For instance, because this uses the same stanchion diameter as the boxxer, people who were wishing this was coming in 26" with a 20mm axle can have their wish, as you can just put a pair of boxxer lowers on this fork.

 What! I thought the boxxer was a 40 or something close to that.

 People have been interchanging them for years

 I bought an old lyrik with blown bushings and a cheap domain and swapped lowers. Sold the domain for next to nothing (they aren't worth much without blown bushings, let alone with them) and still only had $300 into the lyrik. Everyone should be happ that they can play old games on their new system. . .oops, play station flashback.
Seriously folks. RS proved how awesome they are by offering you a high end and low end lyrik (called the yari) and made them all cross compatible with the old stuff and the current stuff. There is no reason for all the complaining. This is wonderful! New bikes will come with better and more upgrade-able stuff at lower pricepoint (I am pretty sure). The only way it cold be better would be if it came with free ice cream.

 People are really going to complain when they stop making 26inch boxxers.

 Pmsl. Thanks.

 Yeah! now our only concern is how much to cut down our bars so we don't clip them on the moon!

 I was pretty bummed by the lack of good fork options for my Spartan. I bought the 170mm Fox, and now I want to sell it so I can buy this Lyrik!

 Just checked, and the single crown Domain is now gone from RockShox website.

 well it works now.
what about a2c heights on these new forks?

 @half-man-half-scab, yes, the 2016 Pike will also be getting SKF cartridge and dust wiper seals.

 mike, do you know if the new skf seals will be compatible with the previous generation lyrik?