6 New Wheelsets, A Lot of NumbersIbis' wheelset lineup has expanded by six new offerings, including four fresh carbon fiber options. The most notable news for a lot of riders, however, might be the addition of two reasonably priced fat aluminum wheelsets that don't require a fat wallet to get ahold of.
The new carbon wheels and rims include the 742 and 942 (35mm internal), and the 735 and 935 (29mm internal) that all share the same $1,799.00 USD price tag for a pair. The 738 and 938 aluminum wheelsets feature a 35mm internal width, and a pair in either diameter goes for $549.00 USD.
Update: the aluminum 738 and 938 rims can be purchased on their own for $99 USD, and the carbon 742, 942, 735, and 935 rims go for $525 USD each.
An easy way to figure out Ibis' nomenclature is to remember that the first number indicates wheel size, so 942 would refer to a 29" wheel while 742 would be a 27.5'' wheel. There are even more numbers to take in below, and Ibis was wise to send a cheat sheet over that breaks down rim widths and diameters, rim and wheelset weights, and everything else you might want to know when it comes to numbers. See below in order to nerd out.
More Width, Less MoneyCarbon fiber is cool and all but let's be real for a second: the very large majority of mountain bikers are more likely to buy a new aluminum wheelset before they drop three times as much (or six times as much) on carbon hoops. Ibis knows this, which is why they've debuted two new aluminum rims and wheelsets, the 738 and 938, that both sport a 35mm internal rim width (the same as the $1,799.00 USD 742 and 942 wheelsets) and retail for $549.00 USD per pair. Less money equals more weight, of course, which is why the 738 and 938 wheelsets weigh in at 1,880 and 1,935 grams, or 250 and 245 grams more than their pricier carbon equivalents.
According to Ibis, the aluminum rims share the same 5mm asymmetric spoke drilling, a tubeless-ready profile, and equal spoke tension of the pricier carbon offerings, and they have a black anodized and laser etched finish. Claimed weights are 502 and 530 grams for the bare 27.5'' and 29'' rims, or 67 and 65 grams more than the carbon versions.
While Ibis has moved to using Industry Nine Torch hubs for their carbon wheelsets, that wasn't going to fly for something costing about a third of the price. Instead, the 738 and 938 rims are laced to a set of Ibis-branded hubs that they say come from a small CNC shop in Taiwan, and drive comes via a 36-tooth, 4-pawl freehub that's available in either Shimano or SRAM XD configurations. Bearings come from Enduro, and while the 738 and 938 wheelsets will only come with Boost-sized hubs for now, Ibis is considering a 100/142mm hubset if there is enough demand. Speak up if you want it.
More Width, More CarbonWant some extra width and ready to spend more than you would to get an aluminum wheelset? The new 742 and 735 (27.5 x 42mm and 35mm), and 942 and 935 (29 x 42mm and 35mm) all feature spacious widths and the same $1,799.00 USD price tag for a pair, along with the same carbon fiber construction. The carbon rims are all-new compared to Ibis' previous offerings. Weights for all four are as follows: 1,630 and 1,540 grams for the 742 and 735 wheelsets, and 1,690 and 1,590 grams for the 942 and 935 wheelsets.
Ibis has stuck with the 41mm outer and 35mm inner widths for the new 742 and 942 carbon rims, but they are claiming that they've increased impact strength, reduced weight, and managed to maintain lateral stiffness. The 735 and 935, on the other hand, feature 35mm outer and 29mm internal rim widths, with Ibis saying that the wider and shallower rim shape has let them match the weight of their older 928 rims while also significantly increasing impact strength and lateral stiffness.
The new carbon 742 and 942 rims feature 5mm of offset, while the 735 and 935s sport 2.5mm, thereby allowing both sides of the wheel to have higher and more equal spoke tension. Ibis says that the higher tension, combined with a rim height that's been reduced to 19.5mm (the previous rims were 29.5mm tall) make them stronger and better able to handle sharp, localized impacts. Think low tire pressures and pointy rocks. The rim's layup has also been updated: ''we are introducing a new hybrid carbon fiber layup, strategically combining layers of a new, high-toughness carbon/epoxy prepreg with our original carbon composite, increasing both ultimate strength and impact durability. As a result of all this, the 742/942 nets a 30% increase in impact strength yet a 7.5% decrease in weight, compared to our previous rims.''
At the center of all that is a set of Industry Nine Torch hubs that are made in the US. The rear unit employs a 60-tooth ratchet and six out-of-phase pawls that supply a quick 3º engagement. Rotors attach via a Center Lock mounting system (adapter required for 6-hole rotors), and they spin on Enduro bearings and come with either Shimano or SRAM XD drivers.
What's happening to Ibis' previous carbon fiber wheelsets, the 741, 941, and 928? Ibis does plan to stock enough of those rims to fill any crash replacement orders that will arise for a long time to come, and they are also offering some pretty decent prices on the remaining complete 741, 941, and 928 wheelsets that they have in stock: $1099.00 USD will get you a complete pair of any of those in 100/142mm hub spacing. ''After that, with enough demand, we'll keep making them [741, 941, and 928 carbon rims] and migrate to our Ibis hubs,'' said Ibis' Scot Nicol of their plans for the future. ''They're great rims, tooling is paid for, so why not offer this more affordable alternative. We'll let the people vote.''
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$1.41 = £1
28.35 grams per ounce
1.41 x 28.35 = 39.97
£1 = $1 4/10
1 Oz = 28 7⁄20g
= $39 24⁄25 per Oz
Let's break out of the backwards thinking because someone out there will have better stuff than you and you will have better stuff than other people. When i was young and fresh out of college I asked myself these questions rather than saying "Why not me?". And when people at my local bike park or trails comment on my "nice bike parts" I don't get offended or get mad they think I'm some spoiled guy who doesn't deserve it but as a compliment that my hard work has paid off to allow the weekend warrior in me to buy nice toys.
guess i'm saying i'm equally confused by your imperial units as you are by our metric ones
I WANT IT !
In 100/142. You can keep your Boost hubs.
That leaves $750 for the hubs, spokes and build labor. I think I can do better than that, with whatever hubs I like.
I'll get my coat.
What are your guys thoughts on tires combo's?
With the trend towards bigger grips & weights all around Dampfs are a great option, at least on the front. 800ish grams for good volume and traction on a 29er works for me. I'd like to see a better middle ground tire than the Nobby Nic as I feel like the side knobs on the Damf & RockRazor are far superior. Guess it depends what you're riding. Magic Marys sound very slow and would be overkill on my hardpacked climby trails. There's something about a B-plus 2.5 on a 30mm rim that seems sorta perfect to me, but I've no evidence to back that up.
I really liked my RockRazor until fall when those little baby knobs don't grab through leaves & mud. Great side knobs, though, which I think should have been continued on the Nobby Nic.
I see what they're doing with the 7xx series being 27.5" and the 9xx series being 29". That part is easy, intuitive and sensible.
The next two numbers though. Somehow, vaguely referring to the rims outer width? Because THATS what people care about now? So if I want a 35mm INTERNAL WIDTH wheel, I buy a 741, NOT a 735? Because a 735 sure would make sense to this guy!
Then, assuming I've figured out the Outer Width thing; What is a 742? It seems to be a 41mm Outer Width rim that's ............. wait for it ............. ONE BETTER than the 741! Same dimensions, just lighter. Like 6 Minute Abs!
I like the idea of this new wheel series. Just dress up your naming scheme and it'll make more happy.
agreed. they would make just as much still supporting it as they would changing standards every few months. would love to read only reviews instead of press releases. honest ones after hard testing with no shite given by the reviewer to any mfger or audience.
get them pictures up, make ibis pay for the BS they put you through
I'm not mad about it, but I do wish I'd gone with the option I had for Enve's for $200 more. They've got amazing customer service in my experience.
I'd recommend Derby, Light Bicycle or basically anyone over them. Mine split right along the edge of a spoke drill hole and they didn't give a shit.
Short version: Ibis can eat a bag of dicks. In the business I work in, we'd make it right with the customer if there was any doubt but they don't give a shit.
Normal is the new Obsolete - these companies have to eat.
Shutting the door on 30+ years of products which had no issues is a greed-based business model. It doesn't cost extra money to produce a perfectly good wheel size that has been around for longer than most of Pinkbike's audience has been alive, it is at the cost of the consumer to have to purchase entirely new bikes if and when the industry can convince enough people that sitting 3/4" taller from axle to ground is going to make you so much better that you'll ignore the fact that their robbing us of the ability to choose.
What makes a bike better? The rider.
@scary1: I wouldn't bet on that. Friends 741's lasted 3 weeks, and he never broke an Enve. I haven't broke an Enve either in two years owning, thrashing, and racing on them.
I love the stiff ride of carbon.
Mmm...that sounded wrong
@ibiscycles: Two questions: will the rims be available for separate purchase, and are they compatible with procore now that the rim profile is ~10mm shorter?
On the Procore compatibility, not sure as we haven't tested it yet.
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If it exists will someone drop me a PM, I'd love to buy all the stock from you and have an awesome garage sale for all the folk like me who still rock the 26" wheel
*looks for another article to read*
Edit- heheh sorry, but try reading your comment out loud to yourself in a robot voice.
My local shop was great but ibis offered me a crash replacement cost of $480 for the hoop, plus the build of course. Brutal. Decided to try a new nobl carbon rim instead, as I have heard they are tougher, and certainly better value. I've been a long time ibis fan... But not anymore.
Down Vote for boost standard only AL wheel set.
Put a Chris king in, best wheel set on the plannet..
that being said, i have a set of Enves (overrated) with DT centrelock hubs. i really like the XTR rotors you can use on those.
cheers
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I had derbies before (same width as ibis at 40mm OD) and they were too wide IMO - most tires I tried looked odd. Cracked one up in Whistler (DH bike) and wouldn't crash replace. Looked at LB for 26", but now on 29" Enduro bike.