FOX's New 36 RC2 - Sea Otter 2014

Apr 11, 2014 at 12:48
by Mike Levy  


FOX's 36 fork has long been a favourite of riders going hard on mid-travel bikes, but recent competition has seen FOX re-work the 36 to further improve its performance. 2015 sees the company debut a revised RC2 damper to the 36 platform that still allows riders to tune low and high-speed compression separately from one another, but also features some important updates. The new damper uses the same basic layout that the RC2 system has utilized in the past, but it does employ a revised tune compared to previous years that sees more low-speed compression damping added. Why the update? FOX says that the new stanchion tube polishing process that the uppers go through before the fork's Kashima coating is applied adds a substantial amount of slickness to the travel, as does a new seal head design that accomplishes the same thing.

Despite a similar appearance at first glance, the 36 chassis is all new compared to the old one. Starting at the top, a completely new crown shape helps the 36 to not only come in with a shorter axle-crown length than the older model but, incredibly enough, shorter by a handful of millimeters than the latest 34 model when comparing 29er options. FOX told Pinkbike that this new shorter chassis has allowed some of their racers to run slightly more travel without having to sacrifice handlebar height to do so. The lowers are also new, with a much different shape to the arch that sees material removed where it wasn't needed and added where it makes sense.

Those who plan on sticking with 26" wheels will be stoked to find out that FOX will be offering five different models compatible with their setup, with coil sprung, air sprung, and air sprung TALAS travel adjust models in 180mm FIT RC2 guise, as well as a TALAS 160 FIT RC2 version. FOX will also have a number of choices with a 1 1/8th steerer tube that will not only fit older frames that use a straight head tube, but also make mixing and matching certain angle adjusting headsets easier if you're looking to go to extremes.

FOX 36 RC2


Compatibility seems to the be the name of the game for FOX in 2015, and that theme continues when we get down to the 36's new thru-axle setup that allows for either 15 or 20mm axles to be used by way of aluminum adapters inserts at the axle clamp. The adapters are pushed into place, and a thin section extends down into the gap in the clamp that the pinch bolts are run through. There is no quick release thru-axle option as FOX have gone back to using traditional pinch bolts.

FOX 36 RC2



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102 Comments
  • 76 30
 Reallly wish it had the QR levers like on the current 36's. I don't like pinch bolts...
  • 11 5
 Oh and something else... why doesn't either of the articles about this say what the travel is for the 29" version?!
  • 13 15
 as a rider who transports bikes in his vehicle I must agree, I always have to take off my front wheel and run 15mm up front. I was waiting to see what fox did before the new fork choice was made but no q/r makes it an easy one.
  • 13 25
flag Motoracer31 FL (Apr 11, 2014 at 12:57) (Below Threshold)
 Same, I've broken SOOOOO many on my 40, the heads strip out incredibly quick just taking them off and on often.
  • 58 2
 If you're breaking them that often then you're doing something wrong...
  • 11 18
flag mfbeast12 (Apr 11, 2014 at 13:08) (Below Threshold)
 yeah I agree, takes much longer to take off as well if you get a flat
  • 11 15
flag Fix-the-Spade (Apr 11, 2014 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)
 So are the pinch bolt holes going to be so thin that they snap at random intervals like the old ones did?
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In all seriousness, why Are Fox not using a 20mm version of their 15mm axle? It's a good design, it doesn't violate the Maxle patent and it's secure. They could also just have a different sized axle nut on the left leg for 15mm and 20mm, it's replaceable anyway. BOS are already doing a similar thing with their Devilles and it works great.
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This just strikes me as Fox being cheap, cheap design, cheap engineering, it's nice to see RC2 back though, as long as it's not plastic inside...
  • 29 1
 Ya, that extra 20 seconds is a bummer
  • 16 9
 You have to transport you bike IN your vehicle? So you can afford a super nice mountain bike, but not a $100 dollar rack to put on your car?? Sounds like it would make more sense to just get a rack for your car, rather than limit your options buying a fork because you can't take the front wheel off *as* quickly.
  • 4 1
 Does anyone know the travel for the 29er version? No? Bueller?
  • 1 0
 140 I think.
  • 2 4
 @ryan. I'm fairly certain 29" still gets the full 170mm capabilities.
  • 1 0
 Could be. This is all just speculation that I've heard. Not see any clear numbers for it yet.
  • 1 1
 @Fix-The-Spade The 15mm axles on Fox Forks are from Shimano, look on the inside of one of their QR levers.
  • 1 0
 Fox co-developed the system all the way back in 2007-8, they must have at least some pull with Shimano for a 20mm version, there's a lot of OE sales at stake for the both of them if brands and riders keep looking at the 36 and saying Pike please.
  • 13 0
 scottrallye: In my case its not about affording a hundred bucks for a rack, its about having a couple of grand of mountain bike sitting on the back of my car like a neon sign saying steel me please!
I not trusting the folks in and around LA that much and feel a little better if its at least locked away in the car and out of sight....
  • 10 2
 Dude, l spend all my money on my bike, how am l supposed to buy a rack?
  • 3 0
 In terms of wheel size and travel amounts it is all in the chart on their website:
www.ridefox.com/subhome.php?m=bike&ref=topnav

26": 160 mm Float and Talas, 180 mm Float and Talas
27.5": 160 mm Float and Talas, 170 mm Float
29": 150 mm Float and Talas, 160 mm Float and Talas
  • 1 2
 If the 160 is adjustable to 180 how come they're producing a 180 separately.
  • 30 1
 There's no pleasing some people... Everyone complained about the Pike being tapered, 15mm only. Fox release the 36 in straight OR tapered, 15 OR 20... What's the top rated comment? People complaining about pinch bolts...
  • 6 0
 I'm totally with you ScandiumRider. It makes for a lighter fork and most likely stiffer. If people don't ride with an Allen set then they're gonna be fucked if anything goes wrong with their derailleur or brakes. Don't see anyone moaning about the 40 having pinch bolts....
  • 1 0
 Pretty sure the 160 mm isn't convertable up to 180 mm. Like before they probably have made 2 different upper assemblies, the 26" 180 mm, 27.5" 170 mm, and 29" 160 mm for the first, just put different lowers on it for the wheel sizes, and then the second being the shorter travel options.

But the 180 is adjustable to 160 mm or 170 mm or 150 mm. etc.
  • 1 1
 There been a step by step how to on the internet already,also states in the article that 'more travel can be used without raising bar height
  • 6 3
 Sooooo many neg props , why ? Pinch bolts suck , so much stress on the bottom of forks , if you consistently ride
Really hard , there's a good chance they'll crack , if they have fixed the problem that's great , but it is a real headache
  • 1 0
 This:
vimeo.com/90995933

Maybe you're right that they all share identical parts for each wheel size. All the 26 inch may have an available 180 mm, but they put no travel adjusters into the 180 mm forks from factory and two 10 mm travel adjusters into the 160 mm from the factory. This would help out the folks that dont have the tools or technical ability to add/remove spacers themselves.

Also what this means is that the fork bottomed out will have 20 mm of stanchion tube still visible on the 160 mm.
  • 1 0
 Yeah watching the attached video again think your right,you can reduce the 180 travel to 170-160,shows spacers being added to reduce travel. Guess the 160 is fixed,but still badly worded article if so re running more travel not affecting bar height.
  • 1 0
 Also, what definitely wouldn't make sense is if you have all the 26 inch forks capable of 180 mm, that would mean the 160 mm fork would be slightly heavier due to the added spacers (not by much but some weight).

The only good thing I can see from this is that they can take a whole lot more time with just one fork design, rather than one for 160 mm and a completely different one for 180 mm. And in terms of what some riders are looking for, maybe being able to go between 160 and 180 mm would help in their decision, since they may be stuck between the two, they can have both now.

But I do not understand why they would do this when they spent so much time with last generation and getting a new 36 180 fork designed with a lower axle to crown just to trash it a few years later.

And why wouldnt they fill in the columns on their website showing that they can have a 26" with 150 mm and 170 mm too. I know its still early and they probably need a few weeks to update their entire website, but some things just don't make sense now.
  • 2 1
 They need this Axel system for the forty, i went from a talas to the 40, and had to get the bigger hub, if only they would have had this axel.system! And the retro arickers are cool, but hopefully fox doesn't make them standard on all their suspension, if hate to see the iconic logo go
  • 3 1
 i also wish they made the axels out of something slightly less maleable than butter.
  • 1 0
 Bye Bye white forks?
  • 3 0
 I think a big part of having Q/R levers instead of pinch bolts was to reduce the chance of over tightening as they are set & left. Undoing/fastening pinch bolts all the time just leaves it open to be over tightened again. The first sets with pinch bolts didn't even have a shim so could easily be over tightened & therefore crack the lower. They basically solved a problem & now re-introduced it again.
  • 1 0
 I feel like it is 160 since they said mid-travel
  • 1 0
 Rockshox uses the same lowers on lyrik and domain, and you could throw pike lowers on either one too.it makes a gt on of sense for manufacturing and for consumers who need parts.
  • 1 0
 So fox's updated website shows a 26" fit rc2 180 and 2 650b fit rc2's, a 160 and 170,both with the same weight,are they 2 different models just for the extra 10mm travel and if so what fork are they showing having the travel adjusted? I guess the 26" version. Much confused by all this.
  • 1 0
 Yay! Finally 160mm forks for my 29er! Oh wait they're over $1,000 -_-
  • 1 0
 Go to the shop and buy lowers only. You can turn your 26er fork to 29er.
  • 1 0
 Fox says they will get their technical drawings showing Axle to Crown, rake and other things up soon. Also availability is June for new 36 forks and May for updated 32, 34 stuff. About the 36, they share the same lower and uppers for the longer and shorter travel options. If you buy the longer travel option you can reduce it down, and the reducing spacers actually pull down the uppers to shorter the axle to crown height. But if you buy the shorter version the only way to go up is buy a new damper and air spring assembly. They claim the weight is the same for the longer and shorter travel options, but it will be slightly more since a longer damper and spring assembly for the longer. Don't see why you would buy the short travel option at all, seems like you would just reduce the longer travel option and always have the option of going larger. They are probably showing any of the forks adjusted in the videos.
  • 1 0
 At last! This makes somewhat more sense,although like you say almost pointless having the 160 version,but also the video gives you oil quantities for 160-180 surely indicating the fork being adjusted is the 26" version. Anyways I have the 170 650b version on order. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 Nice, should be a great fork, I am probably going to order the 180 talas for 26" and convert it down to 160mm right away, so I always have the option of going big without buying more parts. Since they said it weighs less than the 2015 34 fork, I guess its a smart choice weight wise, adjustability and more.
  • 1 0
 So just to clear final thing up the 650 version will only be available in 170-160? Seizing as no 180 shown.
  • 1 0
 According to Fox's website, yes.
  • 21 2
 Thanks Fox for apparently listing to your customers Smile this is how you keep brand loyalty!!!
  • 1 0
 Totally man, I kept reading and waiting for some inevitable WTF moment but it never came. Bigger better faster more. And 26".
  • 17 2
 Finally employing a proper axle. interesting thing for the 20-15mm adaptability
  • 5 4
 proper axle? That looks like a proper pain in the ass if you have a flat on the trail. I admit that I do like the 15-20mm adpatability. Guess it's the good ole, "You can't have your cake and eat it" saying applies here....
  • 3 0
 Yeah because to unscrew a couple,of screws is such a bother. well I had more bother with my maxle qr than with my plain old marzocchi axle. Nothing to break, nothing to mess up, you can easily machine it if needed, no threads on the fork either, and no bajillion standards so every 20mm axle fits every 20mm fork. No mechanisms or anything. Simple and effective. And it never loosens up.
  • 2 1
 With all the respect... fuↄk off to the bolted axle and the big 'M' on crown 'n bridge.
Is the design based on the stolen prototypes from the Marzocchi?
Wink
  • 1 1
 It only misses the engraved bomber on the arch. Razz
  • 5 0
 I'll take the reliability,weight, and stiffness of the bolts over a clamp any day
  • 15 0
 26" compatible and 20mm axle. Sold.
  • 10 1
 even better you can still get 1 1/8 steerer as well
  • 13 0
 Rad! Good to see a company that actually listens to customers.
  • 6 0
 This fork in 180mm with 1 1/8 steer tube is definitely on my short list. Peel off the decals to get the 'stealth' look. I wonder if you can get the black dials aftermarket for the 180mm?
  • 7 0
 I believe they have a 'stealth' decal set all ready to go for 2015....
  • 3 0
 Not for the 36 according to another pinkbike article:
For a limited time, FOX is offering three blacked out FLOAT fork models with stealth black decals and black anodized knobs.

• 32 29”/100mm CTD w/Trail Adjust
• 34 27.5”/160mm CTD w/Trail Adjust
• 40 26”/203mm RC2
  • 7 0
 good one Fox, not trying to impose things to customers but adapting to them, that's the best way of taking care and keep people buying.
  • 7 0
 Fox never ran CTD on the 36... it was always RC2.
  • 2 0
 Do any writers not know this fact? Seems like people can't remember things when marketing tells them what to write. It would make sense to write about CTD if they trashed CTD on the 34 or 32, but 36 always had RC2 or earlier RLC.
  • 1 0
 yeah for 2012 they offered the 160 with RC2 and RLC. other than that it's always been rc2
  • 7 1
 That is one nice looking piece of equipment!
  • 7 1
 I am mclovin those decals...
  • 7 1
 That's so sick! I wish they showed the one with all black decals.
  • 3 3
 Yea I know what you mean. The decals just look a bit cheap. I know they are a sticker but you can see the background too easily. They look a bit eBay after market.
  • 7 0
 I want this fork so bad.
  • 5 0
 If it's close to the Pike in price, I think I'll choose this over it on my next built!
  • 1 0
 Can anyone shed any light on why you wouldn't use a 27.5" fork with a 26" wheel? Obviously the clearance would be greater with a higher arch. Would there be any negatives? I'm sure there must be a reason or surely companies would be sharing lowers across their models, but can't think of what is bound to be a completely obvious answer :-)
  • 3 0
 If what I just read is true, I'll be buying a new Fox 36 with a 1 1/8" steerer tube very soon. 575 is about to get burly
  • 2 0
 You're making a good choice, I ran a 36 on my 575 for a while, really did a lot for the bike, granted i was running a 130 mm fork before hand.
  • 2 1
 The travel adjustment on the Pike is horrible and takes a death grip just to change the travel in motion. Fox forks have always been silky smooth I love how bike mag gave the Pike 5 stars what a lie.
  • 2 0
 1 & 1/8th.... Praise the LORD. Another few seasons out of my rampant yet. If be loathed to swap frames just for a taper head tube.
  • 4 1
 of course this was announced out after i just got my pike lol
  • 3 2
 I'm pretty sure your Pike will do just fine. I wouldn't fret. The only thing going on here that may have something on a Pike is the 15/20 adaption. Which we will hopefully see done throughout the industry.
  • 4 2
 Is it just me or does the Kashima coating on the 2014s look more bling-ier than last years?
  • 5 0
 Not just you, they revised the polishing process.... (found that bit in the article)
  • 4 0
 Ill take the 180 please
  • 3 1
 So many of the 2014 bikes aren't even readily available yet, and many aspects of em are already out of date!
  • 2 0
 More low speed compression = less plush. That's ok the forks looks great!
  • 1 0
 ooo...they really mixed up the surfacing on the crown and arch. Who are Fox's ID guys?
  • 1 0
 The real change is spring side, not mentioned here...mark my words
  • 1 0
 Why no a qr ? It make no sense.
  • 3 2
 Any a-c measurements on the 36 160 27.5"?
  • 1 0
 If someone reads this, maybe they can take the measurement when they are at Sea Otter. If I remember I will try to do this Sunday for everyone that is interested. They should have the technical drawings up on their site within a few weeks I would think though.
  • 1 0
 But looking at the 34 150 mm Axle to Crown measurement for the 29" wheeled fork from last year at 562.8 mm, subtract a "handful" and you get 555 mm? And this is for the 36 29" fork maybe?
  • 3 2
 Thank the weight weenies out there for the loss of the QR axle...
  • 4 2
 My next fork. Fox Rules.
  • 2 1
 but will it creak after 6 months of hard riding?!
  • 1 0
 No more scratched thru axles! Thanks Fox!
  • 1 0
 Nice a 170 for my new bubble gum Nomad!!
  • 1 0
 You've got one of those. Damm I'm jealous! Good looking bike.
  • 1 0
 it's good they are making a twenty six inch version.
  • 1 0
 give them a twenty mm thru axle though.
  • 1 1
 These will knock the Pike of its perch. They look rEELLy good.
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