The name might be the same, but the bike is entirely new. The six inch travel HD3 is the third iteration of Ibis' long-travel trail machine, and it features a revised version of dw-link suspension and updated geometry that brings it more in line with the contemporary long, low and slack way of thinking. Those who follow the Enduro World Series may have already spotted the new, 27.5'' wheeled Mojo under Anne-Caroline Chausson, with her and other factory Ibis riders racing aboard the bike since July. EWS racers we're not, but we were lucky enough to get our hands on the new HD3 far enough in advance to put some serious miles on it over the last month in Sedona, Arizona, all in the name of testing. The HD3 that you see here is the 28lb X01 'Werx Spec' model that sees a 2015 FOX 36 160 FIT RC2 fork in place of a 150mm travel Pike, Cane Creek's DBinline used instead of the FOX Float CTD, and Ibis' own mega-wide 741 carbon wheelset, a build that adds up to a $7,600 USD price tag. The 5.9lb frame and shock goes for $2,900 USD with a Float CTD, and there's a $60 up-charge if you go with the DBinline. | Mojo HD3 Details
• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro • Rear wheel travel: 6'' / 152mm • Wheel size: 27.5'' • Revised dw-link suspension • Removable direct front derailleur mount • ISCG 05 compatible with removable adapter • Optional poly-carb down tube cable guard • Internal cable routing options • Threaded bottom bracket shell • 12 x 142mm axle • Frame weight: 5.9lb (med, w/ shock) • Weight: 28lb (large, w/o pedals) • MSRP: $7,600 USD (Werx Spec)
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Frame DetailsThe HD3 has similar lines to Ibis' previous Mojo platforms, but the fact of the matter is that this is an entirely new carbon frame that's been designed from the ground up. Part of that re-design was to incorporate a longer top tube that's more in tune with the short stems that a lot of riders are preferring to run these days, with Ibis adding an extra 20mm in length on each size compared to the older HDR model. The new front-end also makes use of a ZS56 lower headset unit that allows for a larger gap between the top and down tubes, something that Ibis says adds strength in a critical area without requiring more material and therefore more weight. Speaking of weight, a medium-sized HD3 with a FOX Float CTD shock is said to weigh in at a relatively competitive 5.9lb, which is light enough to easily assemble a complete bike in the 26 to 27lb weigh range if you're looking for more of a lightweight flier than a rowdy trail bruiser.
As someone who does everything in his power to avoid having to wearing a backpack, I'm happy to see that Ibis has managed to create enough room for a water bottle to be mounted inside the front triangle, with a second located on the underside of the down tube. There's also an optional bolt-on guard that protects both the down tube and the rear brake line that runs along it from rock strikes, although it isn't pictured on our test bike. Also not shown is the ISCG 05 chain guide adapter that sits around the threaded 68mm bottom bracket shell. Yes, you read that right, the HD3 has a threaded bottom bracket shell rather than a press-in design. The frame also looks a lot sleeker than previous Mojos thanks to the bike's nearly hidden front derailleur mount that's tucked on the backside of the seat tube.
| We think 6" of travel will be good for most people's riding needs. We felt that it struck the best balance for a climbable, enduro-style bike. For example, if we went a little bit more, people would be putting 180mm forks on them and then the frame would need to be heavier and slacker to handle that. - Scot Nicol, Ibis |
The HD3's Suspension Explained
The new Mojo employs a reconfigured version of the dw-link suspension that Ibis has used in the past, and while the two short links that are synonymous with the layout are still present, there are some big changes between this new bike and previous Mojos. The most obvious of these is that the shock is no longer driven off of the swing arm, but rather by a large yoke that wraps around the seat tube. The pivot locations have also been altered, with the goal being to have the better small bump sensitivity while also improving pedalling performance. In other words, to have your cake and eat it too. ''The goal with the dw-link tune on this bike is to pedal well and have better small bump sensitivity,'' Ibis' Scot Nicol explained to me. ''The leverage rate is the same linear feel with a slight ramp at the end that we've always liked. It keeps the suspension feeling consistent so that you know what it's going
to do in a given situation.'' Nicol is also quick to point out the a bike's travel doesn't necessarily define how it's going to feel on the trail, with many bikes behaving very differently despite sporting similar travel: ''
Variable leverage rates and shock tunes can make a 6" bike feel like 7", or the other way around. Since dw-link bikes tend to sit high in the travel and have a very linear feel to them, it makes the available travel feel very useable. We can keep the bottom bracket height lower this way, and we like what that does for the the way the bike performs.
Specifications
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Release Date
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2015 |
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Price
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$7600 |
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Travel |
6 |
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Rear Shock |
Cane Creek DBinline |
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Fork |
FOX 36 160 FIT RC2 |
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Headset |
Cane Creek |
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Cassette |
SRAM XG-1180, 10-42, 11 speed |
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Crankarms |
Race Face Turbine Cinch |
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Bottom Bracket |
Race Face |
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Rear Derailleur |
SRAM X01 |
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Chain |
SRAM |
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Shifter Pods |
SRAM X1 |
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Handlebar |
Ibis Carbon, 740mm |
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Stem |
Ibis |
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Grips |
Lizardskins |
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Brakes |
Shimano XT |
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Wheelset |
Ibis 741 |
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Tires |
Maxxis Minion DHF 2.3'' |
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Seat |
Ibis |
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Seatpost |
Thomson Covert |
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Climbing Expectations tend to ruin things sometimes, don't they? I personally wouldn't have expected bacon on top of donuts to taste like they were baked in God's own oven, but they do. And a bike like the new Mojo shouldn't breeze up technical climbs like it's channeling a mountain goat in Five Tens, but it does. I always make a point of not going over a test bike's geometry before spending a lot of time on it so as not to colour my opinion one way or the other, and the HD3 is the perfect example of why that's the best way to do things: it sports a 66.6° head angle (
or 67 with a 150mm travel Pike) but steers nothing like you'd expect it to when you're picking your way up any sort of rocky, rooty battle. I honestly would have guessed closer to 68° given how well the day-glo bike steers around boulders and roots at speeds close to a standstill, especially when compared to machines in the same travel bracket, but it turns out that Ibis may have somehow channeled the sign of the Devil to create a bike that defies its own numbers.
The Devil had nothing to do with it, though, with the credit going towards the offset, trail, and other geo figures that Ibis has nailed dead-on. Tight switchbacks can actually be steered through rather than needing to pick up either end of the bike, and a rider simply has to do less work to get the HD3 up and over whatever's in front of them, all without that front wheel 'push' that can often see 6'' travel bikes running out of room before the corner ends. The sharp-ish steering for a bike like the Ibis means that you can stay on the gas through tight bends instead of worrying about running into a momentum killer, and it's pronounced enough that I immediately went from having to dab a handful of times on one particularly tricky trail aboard other bikes to spinning up it like I actually knew what I was doing. The slack-but-usable geometry is surely the secret here, but I also have to put at least some of my success towards the 35mm internal width 741 carbon rims from Ibis that allow the bike's 2.3'' Minion tires to be aired down to an absurd 19 PSI without any burping or noticeable casing roll that would have had me scared for my life when at speed. That's a lot of numbers to take in, but the sum of them all is that it's probably your fault if you spin out while climbing, not the bike's, because it's certainly not lacking in grip thanks to the low tire pressure and the DBinline's Climb Switch feature.
| Expectations tend to ruin things sometimes, don't they? I personally wouldn't have expected bacon on top of donuts to taste like they were baked in God's own oven, but they do. And a bike like the new Mojo shouldn't breeze up technical climbs like it's channeling a mountain goat in Five Tens, but it does. |
Ibis proves that a bike with 6'' of travel can be put together to climb technical pitches not just well, but well enough that I was happy to be on it for back-to-back days that each covered 70km of tricky Sedona singletrack. That fact blows my mind given that I normally would have rather reached for a pair of rollerblades before a 6'' bike when heading out for anything that long, and, for the record, I swear that I don't even own rollerblades. Times have changed, haven't they? While tricky sections can be mastered aboard the HD3, no amount of suspension sorcery can hide its travel when a fire is lit under your ass on steep gravel road climbs - it pedals decently, no doubt about it, but it's kinda what I'd expect from a machine in this travel bracket. Flipping the Cane Creek shock's Climb Switch obviously helps, but that'd be the case on any bike, so I have to judge them when left full-open. The verdict is that it matches expectations, which is to say that it doesn't pedal like it's a bacon topped donut.
Downhill / Technical Riding Bikes of the HD3's travel seem to be going in two different directions: the majority are still rideable as all-around machines, albeit long-travel all-around machines, but a few new examples are more like second generation enduro race bikes that are built almost specifically for that task. This new breed of bike - insert the Nomad, Sanction etc... here - pedal relatively well, but they can still feel like a lot of bike when you're not pointing down something really chunky. Where does the new Mojo fit into the picture, you ask? Ibis has aimed for and struck a nice middle ground that not only makes the bike easier to ride faster than some of the more extreme competition on all but the rowdiest of downhills, but has it being more lively without sacrificing much in the way of all-out plow-ability. All of a bike's numbers come together to form its personality, and it bears mentioning that the our large-sized HD3 test bike is 27mm shorter in total length than a large Nomad, and a whopping 49mm less than the big GT, and while the bottom bracket height sits just a few millimeters higher on the Ibis, its head angle is 1.6° steeper than the Nomad and and 0.6° steeper than the Sanction. What I'm getting at is that the HD3 is simply a hell of a lot more manageable on the very large majority of trails that don't force you to rub your crotch on the rear tire. It asks for a lighter steering inputs, it's easier to place, and it has a more lively temperament. In short, it's more fun to ride in roughly 95% of the places where you'd ride a mountain bike.
It's that remaining 5%, the bits of trail that a lot of mountain bikers might not ride anyways, that upset the HD3 a touch. Steep, awkward steps that don't look do-able are where the Ibis feels a touch pointer up front compared to some other, slacker e-word bikes, but I never found myself backing down from them, just being a bit more cautious than I might have been on either of the two bikes that I mentioned above. Don't get me wrong, the HD3 is still much easier to throw into the chunk than any other bike with less travel, and, if we're all being honest with ourselves, such sections probably only make up a few seconds of most of our rides, don't they?
Cornering on the HD3 doesn't take a heavy hand, with it being on the quick side of relaxed rather than asking for a lot of input from the rider. This means that you can really snake through the tightest of chicanes at a good clip without much trouble, and its handling feels more intuitive than overly quick relative to other machines with similar angles. It isn't as chopper-esque as some bikes, but that's a good thing: another degree taken out of the head angle would turn the HD into less of a 6'' travel bike that you can literally ride anywhere and everywhere and into something that might be a bit too focused on solely crushing only the steepest of lines.
| I climbed the HD3 up the worst of the worst, and then pointed it down lines that would be considered class three or four scrambles by anyone going up the same route on their feet. It's the bike's balance between those two extremes of riding that Ibis has somehow nailed. |
There are no half measures when it comes to the 'Werx Spec' HD3's suspension, with the 2015 FOX 36 160 FIT RC2 fork and Cane Creek's DBinline shock on our test bike offering performance that would have been the stuff of dreams only a few years ago. The difference in performance between the 2015 36 and the already impressive 2014 model was noticeable enough that I was sure FOX had made some internal updates, and my suspicions were verified when I reached out to FOX's Race Program Manager, Mark Fitzsimmons. ''
We re-valved the damper based on the feedback from the RAD 34 received from Enduro World Series testing,'' he explained when I questioned him about the refined feel. ''
It now has less compression through the entire velocity range, but we focused more on lightening it in the low- to mid-speed velocities. We also changed how the shims opened by reducing the amount of preload on the piston face shim.'' FOX's suspension witchcraft is obviously working, because the 2015 36 is going to blow some minds when more riders are able to get on the fork - it's more forgiving, more supple, but still stays up high in its stroke.
Cane Creek's shocks get a lot of riders going on about them being too complicated, too hard to tune, and too intimidating. That's utter bullshit, though. The DBinline on our test bike, as well as Cane Creek's other offerings, are as simple as you want them to be thanks to the setup finder on their website that tells you exactly where to start from. You won't find that sort of help elsewhere. That means zero second guessing when it comes to getting the base tune spot-on, so long as your bike is on the list (
most are), and you'll always know where to go back to if you don't like the result of your fiddling. The standard shock is a FOX Float, but our Werx Spec bike showed up with the DBinline option that we were stoked to see - I'd argue that it's able to offer a more controlled feel through its stroke without feeling like it's over-damped to the point of being harsh or stealing any 'pop' away from a bike. The back end is more linear than you might expect, however, so some riders may want to drop some volume spacers into the shock's air can depending on their terrain and what they want from the bike's suspension.
Technical Report• I've
spent a good amount of time on Ibis' awesome 741 carbon wheelset earlier this year and came away with a good impression of them, and the mega-wide rims make a lot of sense for a bike like the new HD. The wide rim and Maxis 2.3'' wide Minion rubber is quite the combo, and it's pretty clear that it is more forgiving and has more traction on tap than a traditional tire and rim setup. This was especially appreciated when on Sedona's singletrack that seems to be either extremely chunky or covered in a layer of loose cat litter. Thanks to the 35mm inner rim width, I was able to run tire pressures as low as 19 PSI up front and 20 PSI in the rear without feeling any sort of excessive casing roll or a single burp (
although Sedona's trails aren't know for their high speeds or corners), and a handful of rock strikes didn't have any effect on the rim's integrity or spoke tension. I'm typically not a huge fan of carbon wheelsets due to their cost and still questionable reliability, but at 1,650 grams for the set and a reasonable-for-carbon $1,299 USD price tag, the 741s are probably one of the few options I'd consider purchasing.
• Thomson's internally routed Covert seat post is pretty badass. There was literally zero side-to-side head wiggle on ours, and it ran through its stroke without any hiccups. Its rebound speed isn't lightening fast like a FOX or Specialized dropper post, but it's still quick enough that I never felt like I was waiting for it to come up on Sedona's constantly rolling terrain. It also doesn't hurt that the tiny thumb operated remote takes up next to no room on the handlebar while feeling spot-on when it's slotted up against your left-hand grip. The only bummer was a snapped cable mid-way through a big day on the Mojo, a problem that came about due to the microscopic set screw that anchors the cable at the remote being over-tightened down onto it by whoever assembled the bike before we received it. That said, the cable swap that we performed in the middle of the ride proved just how easy it is to work on the Covert.
• While I usually get on well enough with most of the seats on review bikes, the house-brand saddle on the HD3 gave me a small glimpse what life would be like for me in a maximum security prison. We're all different down there, so maybe it'll work for you, but it's pretty obvious to me that it is one of the few seats that simply doesn't get along with my underside.
• I hit on it earlier, but the bike's 2015 FOX 36 160 FIT RC2 fork is so good that I feel like I need to keep rambling on and on about it. There's been a lot of talk over the last two years about how great the Pike is, but the latest from FOX is every bit as controlled and supple as any Pike that I've had under me, and it's worth noting that, with external low- and high-speed compression, low-speed rebound, volume spacers, the ability to run a 15mm or 20mm axle, and travel that can be run at five different lengths in 10mm increments, it's also more adjustable that RockShox's premier offering. This thing is the ticket for those who like to tinker. There was a slight rattle coming from within the fork when it went from being unweighted to hitting smaller impacts, something that we also had with another 2015 36 160 FIT RC2 fork in our test bike stable, although it never led to any reliability issues.
• There are two water bottle mount locations on the HD: one on the underside of the down tube and one on the top side just below the shock, but there's not much real estate for a large-sized bottle when using the latter. My big Camelbak Podium bottle made contact with the DBinline's gold Climb Switch lever, which was a bit annoying. I'm pretty sure that not many riders use anything larger than the Podium bottle, though, so I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker.
Pinkbike's Take: | The phrase ''all-around'' so often actually means that a bike gets by everywhere but isn't amazing anywhere, which is why I'm hesitant to use that sort of wording to describe what the HD3 is capable of. Ibis is forcing me to do exactly that, though, by creating a 6'' travel bike that I literally wouldn't hesitate to reach for regardless of the day's plans. What I mean by that is that the HD3 suits how and where a lot of people ride, much more so than many other bikes of the same travel. - Mike Levy |
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Thanks for the info on the colours
ISCG05 adapter (which takes the place of one of the 2.5mm of spacers run on the right side cup) as well as allow more chainline adjustment for when choosing to run 1, 2 or 3 ring crank setups.
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I clearly (and the its in the actual review) stated that the mount is for ISCG-05, which is the current guide mount standard. Furthermore had you bothered to watch the video (which is the official Ibis instruction video for installing chainguides), it shows that the removal of one of the drive cup spacers is required in addition to it fitting over the splined mount in the frame (again as explained above in the video link i so kindly provided for the reading impaired). At no time did I say it was a BB mount guide. Perhaps you need glasses. Maybe your penis wouldn't look so huge then if it wasn't lost in a blur, along with your ego and stupidity.
The good points both of you contribute are lost in your kindergarten quarrels.
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Disclaimer - If he didn't block me like a child, this text would be solved in PM, not here. Ahh and I don't give a damn if it is 68 or 73... aaaand I wrote it very calm, no anger, slight notion of passion
No, really, Waki, this is a whole new level of LOL. I had a good laugh, really.
Now stop flaming each other, yes?
I mean, what they write about the capability of the bike could be rephrased as: it might not keep up with those new Enduro bikes in rough terrain, but maybe chosing an All-Mountain bike for your riding is wiser anyways. Well...
And what has offering less reach got to do with "being more manageable"? It's just too short, thats all. I mean, even my Trek Remedy 2010 had more reach at the seattube same length. 431 is to little for me, but I won't be going for a 52cm seattube. Hardly a modern geometry, I'd say. No Ibis for me, then.
enjoy
How are you finding the Process 153? I'm intrigued by this bike. Should note the build kit is very average for the price here in Australia, a common phenomenon owing to shameless, greedy Aussie importers, looking to maximize their profit margin in a market where your average consumer is already quite loose with anal penetration. The clever simply devise strategies to bypass local channels entirely and import directly from the US at 2/3 the cost. MTB Magazine said it was amazing, I take their word for it. Even viewed through the prism of an ultra-cynical, old school, gen X mtn biker, their knowledgeable, informative, earthy, wholly unbiased and completely honest YouTube reviews I cannot help but accept without question. They speak directly to me, after ride beer in hand, one rider to another. "Kona just got the basics so right, the geometry's absolutely dialed", I think they said. Would you concur with this statement? I think the Kona's still expensive for a push bike, but I know I'd rather drop $5k on a new bike than $10k, which I find impossible to rationalize.
It sounds as though you know how to bypass the local channels @m0ngy.
I love it. Its basically perfect. Got new brakes and converted from 2x to 1x and I love it to death! It eats trails like a beast
but yeah, i'd like better, so if there is better, send that goodness my way.
dirtmountainbike.com/bike-reviews/yt-capra-headtube.html
So basically I think that my original comment is correct. US bike mags and bike journalists don't care about euro tech. If it is not in the US then it might as well not exist. Which in my opinion is a bad tact to take, what with twitter being worldwide, this thing called the worldwideweb and the like...
The thing is though is that there missing a HUGE point. * Pedaling and climbing are not one in the same* Just because a bike "pedals" well does not mean it will climb well. It might put power ot the rear wheel efficiently but that does not mean the bike will be a breeze to propel when the trail starts going uphill. So many people will try and substantiate how great their new "insert enduro brand bike name here" climbs but the reality is, that they do NOT climb well compared to other trail bikes. Yes they climb great compared to a downhill bike but it all needs to be kept in context.
Now ibis comes out with a great do-it-all bike (once again), and has designed this new version perfectly in my book. Exactly how I would of took the old HD platform and updated it (I've been riding the original HD for over 4 years now). All of a sudden all the editors and reviewers are now jumping on this new "hype" and are now claiming that this is all you need for 90% of trail riding, which is correct in my book. Its just funny to me because it is getting twisted like this is "new" news. Like now they have to let all the fanboys down slowly and let them know that the plow-bandaid-bike is actually not really necessary except for riders who live in key locations where such a bike is worthwhile.
everything these days is all hype, imo
Ive also done back to back testing and the Minion was borderline unrideable for me during hard cornering efforts while the HR2 stays hooked up...keep in mind this is on loose over hard and sandy type soil where traction is a minimum...I guess results may vary depending on riding style and terrain type but as someone who has allot of time on wider rims I would definitely recommend something wider than a 2.3..
I'm thinking the only way people are liking a Minion up front on these rims is that they are running such little tire pressure that the tire's profile doesn't matter as it is deformed enough that there is a large contact patch...I'm going to try the Minion again and drop the psi some..
According to maxxis they are going to address this issue for 2015
I did thoroughly enjoy the review - and thanks to PB for posting it when other sites just relay a press release.
You should make a list too. Get in the spirit ya know?
Also I served in the U.S. Army with 1 tour in Iraq and 1 tour in Afghanistan not as a regular Joe but in the elite ranks of Echo Company 51st Long Range Surveillance (Airborne)(Rangers) and if you dont know what it is look it up big boy.
To make it clear I am grown up and have the balls to prove it, also only a boy would comment such a thing "Man, grow up"
"That's utter bullshit, though."
"Cane Creek's shocks get a lot of riders going on about them being too complicated, too hard to tune, and too intimidating. That's utter bullshit, though. The DBinline on our test bike, as well as Cane Creek's other offerings, are as simple as you want them to be"
I don't want to get into a game of "who deserves what" but honestly, if you can't be bothered to turn a few knobs to get high end performance, you probably have no business on a 8k bike. I understand that CDDBs aren't the easiest shocks to learn on but there's plenty of bikes with CTDs if that's not your cup of tea. I feel like not speccing a 8k bike with all the high end goodies would be cheating buyers.
(Disclaimer: I'm aware ibis make some of the best bikes available, I'm specifying aesthetics really)
Writing reviews that aren't biased by experiences on predominantly one type of bike would be really hard. There's so much to be said for set-up and all, but I've ridden the previous mojo HD and felt it was dead, thought the mach 6 was way too rearward biased, etc, but people who know what they're talking about just rave about those bikes. I measure everything against the feel of VPP which is where my bias lies. I read reviews in the mags and it is boilerplate blah blah blah marketing for the mag. There's never anything more provocative than 'well, we switched out for wider bars and a shorter stem' or 'we didn't like the saddle.' I appreciate Mike's thorough and thoughtful take. We have to assume he has to filter some of the marketing hype, some of which is probably true!
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this bike seems pretty balanced (not the long front center but a more traditional, if you will, Seat Tube Angle and the reach number bumped up a bit) and that is probably why it was reviewed as such a great all rounder. The numbers are very similar to another very well regarded all rounder: the Bronson.
I also really believe in size proportionate bikes. If you're over 6'2" holy crap there are some filthy 29ers these days.
@groghunter: I wasn't thinking of a kinked seatpost, but rather an offset of the head, say like a specialized command, and unlike most of the others: Reverb, KS Lev, Thomson, Fox.
29ers are an option, they have some great advantages and a few drawbacks. But the feel is just so different! I'll wait for a Mondraker Rune Carbon. If it's as sexy as the Foxy then it's even better
I really like the new ibis, but I doubt the seat angle will work for me with a 35 inseam.
@Vanguard I guess I'm safe then at 5' 8"
You should test ride the 26" Enduro instead.
That said, I can feel a real advantage on the 650b wheeled bikes I've ridden, my next bike will have tweener wheels. But the Disappointing Enduro 650b won't be on that list, with it's disappointingly small amount of BB drop.
El Guapo chain stays ~440mm
26" Enduro chain stays 419mm
(etc.)
So a paint job will not suffice.
650B advantages are noticeable, but small nonetheless. Smartest thing would be to get an extremely discounted 2014 26" Enduro.
Agree on the '15 650B model's shortcomings.
I was only being half serious with the paintjob comment, though I would argue that the similarities outweigh the differences, to a fairly large extent.
@groghunter: no problem of pedal strokes with the Spartan ? I've tried one and it was horrible in technical terrain. It might have been set on the lowest position though. I didn't check that.
The only caveat is that if you ride shore all the time, yep, that super slack HA on some other offerings would be preferable. For everyone else, pick your poison.
While understand the importance of pedalling without the climb switch for the sake of trails that have ups as well as downs, the climb switch is there for a reason. Should be used in my mind, but I understand your rationale. Heavy hitting bikes have to have a leverage ratio that caters to rowdy descents and the switch is there to pick up the slack. Its a hell of a crutch and I'll gladly reach for on it on fire roads but might consider taking off on a technical ascent.
I did thoroughly enjoy the review - and thanks to PB for posting it when other sites just relay a press release.
- I fill the older damper with Maxima Racing Blue 7.5wt Feels good.
I think the real performance advantage comes from the combo of short CS, moderate front center and fork offset.
Dw bikes tend to feel tall when riding them. Especially before the suspenison starts to cycle through its travel. More of a on the bike versus in the bike.
It takes a little getting used to at first, it will feel a little bit tippy at low speed technical descending.
But once you begin to the trust the bike, you don't really notice it.
fact is, if i spend 7000$ bucks for a bike i'm sure that it will be one hell of a ride! but how many of those bikes are sold in the world, in comparison to their cheaper alu siblings?
I just mean to point out as you understand that there are plenty of bikes at a more reasonable price level that even I initially thought. Just minus the XX1
Hans
I ended up getting a Santa Cruz Nomad instead, which is also a very sick bike.
I wish Shimano made the new icetech XTR type available in 6 bolt pattern...more cooling is always better.