Josh Carlson's Reign: Samoëns EWS

Jul 17, 2015 at 16:27
by Mike Levy  
Josh Carlson Bike Check


Carlson's Samoens Crusher

One of the great things about the EWS series, and about enduro racing in general, is that it pits competitors from different backgrounds together. This fact makes for some widely varying setups that can have the machines of the World Cup downhill circuit looking pretty boring in comparison. Yes, a top downhill rig is an impressive thing, but when you're asking a six inch travel bike to go nearly as fast over terrain that varies much more than a taped-off downhill track, as well as to perform well over a five or six hour day, you're going to end up with all sorts of different styles of bikes.

With a few notable exceptions, we've seen a lot of racers turn to air shocks, handlebar-mounted pedalling aids, and mid-weight but relatively fast rolling rubber and wheels. Giant Factory Off-Road Team's Josh Carlson is usually on the opposite end of the spectrum, though, preferring a burlier setup that's all about traction and more consistent suspension performance, things that he's happy to pay a weight penalty for. And while a lot about his 160mm travel Reign could be called off the shelf, there's certainly a few things that have his Giant standing out from the crowd.


Josh Carlson Bike Check
Josh goes with a coil-sprung shock for the added suspension sensitivity to help his stiff setup.
Josh Carlson Bike Check
A 160mm travel Solo Air Lyrik is used up front.



Suspension Setup

The weight difference between a 27.5'' Pike and 27.5'' Lyrik is said to be just 144 grams, so it's no surprise to see Carlson on the 160mm travel Lyrik given that the fresh chassis is claimed to be more rigid. Yes, the 35mm stanchions are the same diameter as a Pike, but RockShox says that the gains in torsional stiffness come via redesigned lowers and their Torque Cap design that provides more contact between the end of the hub and the fork dropouts. If that idea sounds familiar, it's because in 2009 Specialized debuted 28mm hub endcaps that were designed to do the same thing, albeit in a quick release system. The new Lyrik can be run with either Boost 110, Torque Caps, or with a standard 15mm x 100mm thru-axle, and it appears that Carlson has gone with the latter.

Josh has spent quite a bit of time on a dirtbike in the past, which is a world where many guys are running suspension that a mountain biker would find extremely stiff, and the Solo Air fork and Vivid R2C shock on his Reign are set up in much the same way. The Lyric is using an extremely high spring rate (he wasn't sure of the exact air pressure) that makes it firmer than even Barel or Graves' forks, and it's a setup that mirrors how Carlson's Pike has been ran at previous EWS events.

One thing he does tinker with, though, is the Bottomless Tokens, switching between two or three thread-in orange volume spacers depending on how much travel is being used.
Josh Carlson Bike Check
The 450 in/lb EXT steel spring is said to be lighter than a titanium version of the same rate.

A coil-sprung RockShox Vivid R2C is employed on the back of the bike, with Carlson being one of the few EWS racers to not use an air-sprung shock on a regular basis. His thinking is that running an air shock as stiff as he prefers would make for a less active ride, and therefore less traction, whereas using a coil shock and a stiff setup will provide more suppleness at the top of the stroke that will help his tires stick to the deck. The 450 in/lb spring is from EXT and is a steel composite unit that's said to be lighter than a titanium version of the same rate.


Josh Carlson Bike Check
A nifty computer mount protects his GPS unit.
Josh Carlson Bike Check
A big 36 tooth ring for a set of big legs.



Bike Setup

The burly theme continues elsewhere on Carlson's Reign, with a set of Schwalbe's Magic Mary tires mounted up at both ends. Rolling speed obviously isn't too high on Josh's wishlist while racing in France this weekend, as the Magic Mary tires are all about clawing into the ground rather than carrying momentum for long periods of time, although it's Carlson's strong fitness that allows him to take a different approach. The front tire is even Schwalbe's softest 'Vertstar' compound, while the rear is a slightly faster rolling, longer lasting version. Note that he's not using Schwalbe's interesting Procore system, either.

A man-sized 36 tooth chain ring means Josh will alway have something to push against, even when the speeds get high, and he's using a minimalist MRP chain guide to prevent a race-ruining mechanical. He has chosen to not use a traditional chain guide - there is no lower roller - but there is a bolt-on taco guard to protect that big 36 tooth ring. Other notables include 180mm rotors for his Guide Ultimate brakes (no 200mm up front), and a clever computer mount that sees his GPS unit attach to the stem cap rather out in harm's way on the handlebar.


Josh Carlson Bike Check
His Guide Ultimate brakes clamp down onto a set of 180mm rotors.
Josh Carlson Bike Check
Traction before rolling speed with Schwalbe's Magic Mary tires.


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106 Comments
  • 65 0
 would it kill giant to sell the reign as a frameset, as it's a nice frame, and they are killing it with the colours and graphics, as this and the green and orange ones are gorgeous.
  • 15 0
 Yeah, I've never paid attention to Giant before this recent version of the Reign. Looks just right all around.
  • 8 0
 They are selling them as frame sets next year! I believe the carbon and aluminum will be available. I have both the green and orange one because I cracked my carbon in a crash and I can tell you it is the most fun I have had on a bike.
  • 2 0
 Just wish they did an xl
  • 4 0
 You can get an XL in the Reign 2.
  • 3 0
 I have the XL Reign 2 and I can honestly say at 6'5" that it is the best fitting bike I have ever owned. It's so much fun too.
  • 8 1
 Probably cheaper you buy the complete bike and sell the parts off.
  • 1 0
 @panaphonic and @bentown, they may do xl's in aus but not in the uk, only do small medium and large. Maybe i can get 1 shipped over Smile
  • 2 0
 Im not by any means a giant fan boy, but giant just by nature of volume passes on such a good deal with components (specially in Canada), that you are better off to buy an entire bike and sell of the components you want to swap before you even ride it.
  • 2 0
 @ashyjay available as frame set for 2016. Month or so.
  • 1 0
 Slovenia has XL Giants, at least the '2' versions of both alu and CF frames in 2015. Dunno about 2016. The orange Alu version does exist in an XL (it was on Vital as bike of they day once), but the guy said he works for the US distributor or sth.
  • 33 4
 as much as im a downhiller at heart enduro bikes are becoming mindblowing. Their simply evolving to the point where their going to give full on downhill bikes a run for their money, Look at shawn neer, logan bing, luke strobel, their all taking wins on trail bikes on some pretty proper tracks.
  • 7 27
flag anchoricex (Jul 17, 2015 at 22:42) (Below Threshold)
 I've been wanting something lighter to throw around at bike parks. I don't give a flying f*ck about "enduro races" I like to jump shit and hit tech trails, go fast, whip, do sui's, etc. I really want an Enduro bike to come along that people switch to, but I love dual crowns and I've yet to see a dual crown run on an enduro bike that wasn't Graves' SB6c. I throw my slope bike around with ease, I really like light bikes. For Whistler give me something with slack geometry like my Commencal FR v3 but make it this damn light and maybe not such an up-the-butt seat tube angle and I'll make it rain with bank loans. The problem is with the lighter bikes though I just feel like I'm going to snap them :\

Edit: And make it f*cking 26"
  • 32 0
 Kona Process 167 has your name written all over it.
  • 9 1
 Yes process 167 is the sht! But in all honestly only a tool would have issues with playfulness of 275, those bike are nearly identical in handling to 26". The huge difference in recent years is exponential growth in wheel base inslacking of head angles and that makes bikes feel big to a far greater extent than increase in wheel size
  • 8 1
 Agreed with Waki, don't blame the chainstay length if you can't manual at all.
  • 3 0
 I'm gonna say it depends on the bike geo and rider weight/size that'll make wheel size noticeable. I've tried a few 26" and a 27.5" offerings from commencal and they felt entirely different to me on the handful of runs I took each down. With that said the few comments above that threw the process 167 my way...I'm probably going to sell my bike for one now. That thing is sick.
  • 3 5
 Thanks @mikelevy , you were right - this is way more exciting than a dh wc race bike !


Not.


Biased much?
  • 1 0
 Anchicorex - that may be the case but I'd argue it has more to do with Geo. Difference starts to arise as you get 650B wheel to speed where slightly increased gyroscopic effect makes it more stable. It is still nowhere close to a 29er. Still Stumpy Evo 29 feels smaller than Process 167 and Jekyll
  • 27 2
 It's funny how over night the Pike has become obsolete and now everyone has a hard on for Lyrik. Bet most riders wouldnt tell the difference.
  • 9 1
 Most riders probably wouldn't but I'd imagine most professional racers would.
  • 5 0
 I think the lyrik is new, they are told to race it. And the improved air spring shouldn't be an issue for them.
  • 8 0
 The lyric and pike are so similar... What's the point?
  • 3 1
 Marginal gains are still gains. And I'm assuming you haven't ridden a bike with the new lyrik on so it may well feel quite a bit different to the Pike. On paper yes they are very similar, in real world conditions they may feel rather different.
  • 8 2
 No 26" on the new lyrik, that's made my choice a bunch easier!
  • 4 0
 I just bought a Pike and now I have to buy the Lyrik!? GOD DAMN IT! My trust fund is disappearing faster than Donald Trump's sperm count.
  • 1 0
 170 and 180mm of travel for the lyric. Which is something they haven't offered for 27.5 yet
  • 8 0
 What's the black spacer on the rear shock? It it just a spacer to use a shorter spring or is it a bearing type spacer that's supposed to help with friction?
  • 12 6
 Effectively its a type of bushing. When a spring compresses it wants to 'unwind' too, the plastic spacer allows that rotatiinal degree of freedom.
  • 4 0
 That's what I though. Just checking. tup
  • 14 13
 It's a spacer. If it was one of them spring bearing things it would look more like a bearing.
  • 13 3
 Thats why he said bushing, not bearing.
  • 18 20
 if its not a bearing. It's not doing anything but sitting there being a spacer.
  • 11 5
 Don't know why you guys are new propping xCri, as he is right.

It's not a bearing, it is a POM spacer. Super alloy springs come in one size to fit all shocks. S-A springs (company run by Date Garland....Josh's mechanic) provide you with the spacer to fit your shock.

It is NOT the same bearing system as brake-for-cake describes.
  • 13 31
flag xCri (Jul 17, 2015 at 22:34) (Below Threshold)
 Haha.
Imbeciles.
Nice one brake for cake.
So you're full of shit hey?
lets just be clear on this.
Brake for cake is full of shit.
  • 10 2
 got it. shit for brake is full of cake
sounds nice, honestly

i believe adam craig had a similar shock setup in rotorua maybe?
  • 1 0
 Are these springs really lighter than Titanium? Are there any comparison charts available?
  • 1 0
 @migkab
Lighter than low end Ti springs. Slightly heavier than high end Ti spring.

Some spring weight for comparison: www.sicklines.com/weights/rear-spring
  • 10 1
 sexy mini DH bike
  • 8 1
 I love this bike checks , its cool to see what pros are ridding
  • 5 3
 so a lyrik is claimed to be slightly stiffer than a pike and yet the rs1 is better than a sid how....not knocking Carlson's setup choice just wonder what rockshox is trying to do here....i thought too rigid was suddenly bad ?
  • 12 1
 You're thinking is skewed. Torsional rigidity is good. Rigidity in the forks bump compliance is bad
  • 1 0
 i think you may have misinterpreted what i was trying to get at. i was having a dig at the way companies such as rockshox spin info to suit there products. i guess as others up-voted your reply i obviously didn't make this as clear as i could have...

decent torsional rigidity being good.....something the rs1's don't have much of so therefore not so great...

quote from bikeradar review "The RockShox RS-1 boasts a lot of technology as well as a steep price tag, but it still suffers from many of the same torsional flex issues as past inverted suspension forks"
  • 7 1
 Mini DH
  • 1 0
 I have heard this term to describe this bike many times. I can say while it looks like a mini dh, it sure doesnt feel like a mini dh. I spent a day at a mellow bike park switching back and forth between my stock reign 2 and my dh/fr bike. It did not take me too many laps before I locked the reign up for the day. I do "enduro" style ride with my reign all the time and it is hella fun.
  • 3 0
 Levy- Which frame size and how tall is he? Looks like he might be on relatively smaller frame, which wouldn't be surprising given the rangy wheelbase of the reigns.
  • 1 0
 It definitely looks bigger than a medium. I've gotta feeling he's a pretty tall lad
  • 2 0
 @b26-4-Life - I'd say Carlson's around 6'1", and he's riding a large frame.
  • 2 1
 Yes he's about 6'1" unless he has grown since the Pemby Enduro (I'm 6'2").
  • 1 0
 thanks
  • 2 0
 I always wondered why enduro racers always seem to choose crankbrothers mallet 3's over the mallet dh. Maybe they feel like the mallet 3 has enough platform and they want to save weight?
  • 5 0
 bike weight?
  • 1 0
 I asked Adam Craig at the BC a Enduro here, and with his similar setup this Spring (pike, coil, Super gravity tires etc), he figured it was 30-31lbs. He didn't know exactly, and honestly he didn't really careSmile
  • 1 0
 Something tells me that the internals in those 'Lyric' forks are the exact same internals he's been running all season, and the reason for the switch has more to do with the recent release of the new Lyric forks.
  • 3 0
 always happy to see somebody with more exposed seatpost than me : )
  • 2 0
 I have a 2013 and it's a shred machine! I just put a heavier spring in the fork so it's more suitable for silverstar.
  • 5 3
 Put on a set on minions, and a threaded BB, and you got a perfect bike
  • 4 10
flag SlinkySammy FL (Jul 17, 2015 at 19:10) (Below Threshold)
 on the aluminum of course
  • 2 1
 i thought lyriks camein 26 inch only, so how has he managed tofit a 650b wheel on?
  • 2 0
 Its the new Lyrik.
  • 2 0
 ah i see now... thanks
  • 2 0
 the old lyriks will fit some 650b wheels too
  • 5 3
 No, they decided to not be particularly helpful to people that want to run 26" still, and cannot afford a complete new set up.
a*sholes. They've created more choice with new standards 27.5, 27.5+, 29 etc… give me a break.
  • 1 1
 I wish Giant would spec a bigger shock in the Reign.
2" stroke for 6.5" travel is daft.
It's one of the reasons I sold mine a couple of years ago.
  • 2 0
 has a 57mm stroke not 51mm
  • 2 1
 2" is the 2013 and prior version.
  • 1 1
 its 2015 though
  • 2 0
 Why not a 63 or 70mm shock like most others, so the damping actually works for more than 30 seconds
  • 1 0
 I just love my new reign!!! perfect enduro! you can climb you can shred or just can cruise around with it....
  • 1 0
 Does anybody know Josh's height? He rides size XL so I wonder how tall he is as for me also L is a little bit too small.
  • 1 0
 I got it. I wrote Josh directly on facebook and ...... what a cool guy!!! Even though he is busy he wrote me a very long e-mail describing in detail his stem, bars and everything and he rides Giant Reign size XL and he really felt the difference when moved from to XL from L. Josh, once more time, thank you, thank you very much. Patryk
  • 1 0
 Got seatpost extension bro?
  • 1 0
 Wait, so what's the difference between a Reign X and a Reign Adv. Team?
  • 5 0
 What Reign X?
  • 1 0
 That's what I'm wondering...
  • 3 1
 The reign x was the old name for the stock reigns that giant sold with coil shocks and a more burly build.
  • 10 0
 I love pinkbike's bike checks as much as anyone but these glaring oversights detract from your aweomeness.

Of course it's not a reign x! (agree with those above). Not knowing the fork settings, frame size, rider height and weight, stem length, bare width (and so on) is simply sloppy. @mikelevy we're bike geeks, please tell us what we want to know. After all, where do you expect us to find these minor details if not on this outstanding website? Please be more thorough, we care about the finer details!
  • 1 3
 Would be nice to know what kind of magic marys he's using. DH or Super Gravity?
  • 2 0
 Pressures would be nice too. I'd imagine that they are Super Gravitys.
  • 1 0
 Reign Xs had a much burlier frame than the Reign. It wasn't just parts and travel.
  • 1 0
 The Reign X is 26", and I bet it will be discontinued for 2016. We'll find out next week.
  • 1 0
 Reign X stopped for 2014. It's the Trance X that I was thinking would go for 2016.
  • 1 0
 My 2012 reign x had 6.7" of rear travel, where the normal reigns had 6".

They had different lower pivots (burlier) but i think all reigns started to get them after they had issues with cracked lower pivots on non-x frames.

I'm pretty sure the main differences was just a longer stroke shock and rear axle was a through axle, where normal reigns got qr rear axles.

My '14 trance 27.5 is twice the bike my '12 reign x was.

Makes me want to try one of these new reigns with updated geo.
  • 2 0
 Google images for 2008 reign and reign x, you'll see they were different frames.
  • 2 0
 Great bikecheck.
  • 1 0
 Mmmmmmmmm Love riding that bike
  • 1 0
 Why not use roam 60. Too stiff? Lyrik with the roam 50 seems odd.
  • 1 0
 Ye, several pros claimed that some of today's (carbon) wheels are too stiff, making the ride less precise and smooth. Besides that the roam50s are also lighter.
  • 3 2
 Looks like a ...
  • 15 0
 Bike
  • 5 2
 " Looks like a ..."


A giant reign X
  • 12 1
 dh bike from 1997.
  • 3 0
 LLAS
  • 2 0
 Similiar front triangle to norco range
  • 1 0
 Looks like... yeee, because Giant is manufacturing their bikes. Wink
  • 4 3
 Clunker
  • 1 1
 Yukyukyuk...
  • 2 3
 Put crossmax enduro wheels and a fox air rear shock, and this is my dream !!
  • 1 0
 Giant Region
  • 1 0
 Nice bikes
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