Prototype FOX RAD DH Shock

Feb 23, 2014 at 22:57
by Mike Levy  
Last year's World Championships in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa, saw all sorts of prototype equipment designed to give racers the edge on the big day, a lot of which will eventually become production parts that you'll be able to purchase, as well as a few items that won't ever be available to anyone not on a factory race bike. Pinkbike gave you the first and only in-depth look at FOX's prototype RAD DH shock from that weekend, and at the time it looked as if the very special damper might never be made available for purchase. In fact, prodding FOX late last year on the same subject saw us get the silent treatment, with them not willing to comment on the shock's future. Fast forward to last weekend's New Zealand National Championships where Trek World Racing's Brook Macdonald had his prototype 650B Session fitted with what appears to be an evolved version of the same shock we spotted at last year's World Champs event. What does it mean? This latest version is much more polished and appears to be pretty close to consumer ready, which are both not so subtle hints that it will eventually reach production.

FOX RAD prototype DH shock

The prototype FOX RAD shock on Brook's bike offers separate low-speed and high-speed compression and rebound adjustments, each done separately and located on the shock's bridge. John Colthorpe photo


This new model of the RAD shock features a much more refined body compared to the earlier version (pictured below), with rounder edges and unnecessary aluminum removed from the upper shock end, bridge assembly, and the piggyback. The radically different size of that last component is most obvious, though, as it's quite a bit shorter than what we saw last year. The job of a shock's piggyback, and the internal floating piston (IFP) that is usually inside of it, is to compensate for oil displacement caused by the shaft entering the shock under compression, while also allowing for more damping oil to be used compared to an inline shock in order to fight heat build-up. The position of the IFP within the piggyback and the pressure behind it can also be used to tune the amount of ramp-up in the shock's stroke, although this needs to be balanced properly with the amount of oil volume displaced by the damper shaft when it's compressed into the body. With that in mind, FOX may have learned through testing the RAD shock on different downhill bikes that the longer piggyback simply wasn't needed, and that adjusting the height of the IFP ever so slightly within a shortened version of it was enough to compensate for different stroke lengths that they might produce. After all, they're not going to manufacture different piggybacks for different length shocks.

FOX prototype RAD DH shock

The early version of the RAD shock that Greg Minnaar rode to a 2013 World Championship victory in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa. Matt DeLorme photo



The other obvious difference between the earlier prototype and the version on Brook's bike is the shape of the adjustment dials. Just as we speculated last year, it does offer both low-speed and high-speed compression and rebound adjustments, each done separately, but it takes a second look at this latest version to see exactly how that is accomplished. It appears as though the blue (compression) and red (rebound) anodized components are actually caps that are threaded into place at the factory, while damper adjustments are made with hex wrenches at its center: high-speed damper adjustments are done with a 6mm hex key, and low-speed with a 3mm hex key concentrically and deeper inside. The pin spanner holes on both of the blue and red caps might actually allow easy access to the compression and rebound circuits, and unthreading them from the bridge could give mechanics or racers the ability to make quick changes to the damper circuits that go beyond what would be possible by turning the adjusters. This is, of course, all speculation at this point, and the pin spanner holes could only be there for testing purposes and might not be present on the production version. The stacked arrangement of the dials also makes the most of the limited real estate available on the piggyback bridge, and means that the shock should be compatible with pretty much every downhill bike on the market.

Bike Check - The Bulldogs Prototype 650B Trek Session

Brook Macdonald's prototype Trek Session with 650B wheels and FOX's prototype RAD DH shock. John Colthorpe photo



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143 Comments
  • 156 35
 I'd really like if we could stop getting these hype placements. When CTD was coming out, we all got tons of hype articles about how it's the best out there and we'll love it, buy it now buy it now.

Well. Look what everyone thinks of CTD now.

This article is just another PB hypefest for a product we'll never get to ride in the iteration it's being presented. It's not relevant to the consumer at all. I also find it markedly weird that RS, Manitou, and Marzo never seem to get this sort of hype writeup before making a product. Why is this site riding Fox so hard? I just do not get it.
  • 42 19
 Right. Notice there's technical information about it. Pinkbike actually had something to report. This article has no information, it's purely aimed at us seeing eye candy and going "HEY HEY WOW THAT'S PRETTY TAKE MY MONEY" before we actually know shit all about it. It's pretty unethical of PB to constantly be giving away review space as a company ad.
  • 52 6
 Never mind the 2 or 3 articles on DVO Emerald and 2 or 3 for the Marz 380 withing the past 4 months
  • 24 13
 Same point as above. There's actual information in those articles. This isn't about being informative so much as plastering advertising at us.
  • 17 0
 Meh, companies pay bloggers to write about their stuff all the time. Just how it goes. Not every piece of content is going to be a homerun either. But as for CTD, that debacle is exactly the reason why you don't buy 1st gen parts.
  • 18 34
flag caste1200 (Feb 24, 2014 at 10:43) (Below Threshold)
 I love what fox is doing, their suspentions are so shitty that costumers keep getting BOS suspentions haha most of the bikes built with fox, come back a week later with a shock that doesnt work, a fork that lost travel or a fork with tons of friction!!!
keep it up fox Big Grin
  • 24 1
 How amazing !!!!! Fox's new CCDB with separately tunable rebound and compression circuits ! It's a game changer ! I'm curious to know the new concept acronym marketing guys found to sell it. Based on former Fox tech records, we can expect it to operate correctly in two years, so it's just time to earn money to afford the 800 bucks they will ask for... Enjoy, guys !!!!
  • 5 3
 im diggin the black shaft tho thry need black stanctions on everything
  • 7 4
 Hey caste1200, thats "suspension ".
  • 19 0
 Maybe it would be better if they told us we had to be pro to buy it. I think I would want it more.
  • 3 0
 I'm 100 percent sure I'm not in that 3 percent Frown
  • 11 17
flag ctmtb98 (Feb 24, 2014 at 11:26) (Below Threshold)
 Fox's CTD rear shock is absolutely fantastic in my opinion
  • 18 1
 I wouldn't say this's advertising, it's merely reporting on prototypes that they've seen in the wild. I don't think it's fair to slag off Pinkbike without knowing the background of this article, what if Rockshox had a new design and they just weren't allowed to see it? In a way it is advertising for Fox, just because people are seeing this, but I don't think that's why Pinkbike posted this article. It happens with car prototypes all the time, with special paint jobs to hide new designs, the fact that the shock is all black may be a similar thing to this. Car sites don't get slagged off for reporting on sightings. Of course I could be completely wrong on all of this Wink
  • 16 0
 I can't see this as being meant to be an advertisement. Informative or not I enjoy articles like this because they keep us aware of the constant evolution of our sport.
  • 15 0
 In other news the double barrel is still far superior to any Fox bike products
  • 16 1
 Quit b*tching and be glad that mountain biking is as popular as it is now and that manufacturers will make a variety of products to cater to a variety of consumers. I'm certainly not going to buy this shock either but the constant b*tch fest on PB is getting old...
  • 4 4
 red and blue anodised dials that adjust things, why has nobody else done this?
piggyback with IFP, whoa hold on with the innovation...
black damper rod, that sounds like a quantum leap,

RAD? well that has got to be the worst acronym yet, must have take a team of experts ages to dream up that one!

but at least its original Razz
  • 2 3
 Fox might be trying to integrate quick-removal valving to keep up with DVO, I speculate. The Emerald and Jade are sure to shake things up. Side note, I think the previous proto looks awesome
  • 1 2
 rad is their test program the only difference with anything on a rear shock can realisticly be pedal efficiancy and suppleness/dampening
  • 32 1
 @ Sherbet - The shock hasn't yet been shown in this form, and it looks very much like they might allow owners to have easy access the shock's damping circuits, something that they have NEVER done in the past. If true, this is news. It is also the first four-way adjustable shock from FOX that will be available to the public.

This content has nothing to do with it being from FOX, and everything to do with it being something that the very large majority of people haven't seen. We've done similar pieces with new products from other companies, including suspension, drivetrain, and other things. There isn't much in the way of concrete facts in the piece above simply because FOX isn't ready to share any, leaving us to speculate a bit as to what is going on. There are other websites that routinely throw up a photo of a brand new bike or component with absolutely zero information or speculation, just some less than witty comment, which is 100 times worse in my mind.
  • 2 3
 I love Fox they're a great company but they've had some flops. The last few suspension items that have really had an impression on me are. DVO's products, Ohlins fork/shocks, and X-Fusions RV1.
  • 3 14
flag matthewlikesbikes (Feb 24, 2014 at 14:16) (Below Threshold)
 I'm starting to get a little confused as to what pinkbike's message really is. One minute Kazimer is preaching about avoiding the obsession over buying the newest and greatest stuff and instead just riding your bike (which is awesome, by the way), the next pinkbike is trying to do the exact opposite, sell us on stuff.
  • 38 1
 @matthewlikesbikes - Sell you on stuff? It's a photo with some speculation about a new product that hasn't been seen yet. There are no riding impression, no price, and no availability date. Do you watch T.V. and then go out and buy everything that you see? I hope not.
  • 5 0
 What about the rockshox pike when it was first spotted or the rockshox ei I believe that your theory that this site is so fox hard is terribly wrong as there is plenty of evidence that supports against such a thing next time you want to post something like this have facts to back it up not just assumptions
  • 3 5
 OMFG a 650b downhill bike. thats so awesome/crap i cant wait to buy one/not buy one...... wait we're still doing this right?
  • 3 0
 Always buy whats time tested...
  • 6 0
 I love pinkbike and wouldn't know what to do without it.
  • 13 0
 They're not hyping up a new product, it's a news site, so maybe they would publish news such as this cool new shock? Who cares if they're getting paid by Fox (doubt they are) I like to see new products even if there's just speculation on them. Not everything on this site is a marketing conspiracy...
  • 4 0
 Agreed finnrambo, whilst I like everybody else on the interwebs love a good conspiracy theory, I think we've heard the, "PB is being paid to show this product" one enough. I like seeing new developments, yes maybe the article comes across as over excited but hey I get excited too when I see a new product.
  • 3 0
 wuzupjosh (10 hours ago)
"im diggin the black shaft..."

heh
  • 2 2
 Ha, gaayyyyy!^ haha, and this thing looks like an RC4 and the double barrel got it on and made an interesting little baby haha
  • 5 1
 @ mike levy "Do you watch T.V. and then go out and buy everything that you see?" I don't have too, my wife does this for me. Haha
  • 67 3
 Why would I spend the money on this? I hear I can just buy big wheels and go way faster.
  • 14 3
 Finally comment that makes sense Big Grin
  • 5 1
 hahahaha thats hilarious
  • 2 1
 Well played, my friend.
  • 1 1
 You should add speed holes "they make the bike go fastah"
  • 20 4
 This article has no information in which we couldn't figure out from the picture. Fox has clearly not released any info yet.
  • 11 11
 Hypicle, not article.
  • 4 2
 Exactly what I thought as well... (That said, I still like to read about it)
  • 2 0
 Who provided those pictures? Would you have seen them somewhere else? Probably not, I doubt the people commenting look at other mtb sites judging by the fact most of you sit around all day posting comments so you wouldn't have time for other sites... If you want you can wait for this to be on other sites a week/month late.
  • 2 1
 Yeah, we saw the shock already on the 14th when Pinkbike released some info on the 650b Trek, then we got better shots of it, then we got an article saying "We know it looks different cause pictures."
  • 4 2
 Jesus mate you are ao bludy boring. Just take it on face value and stop being so anally retentive. You have something to say about everything. Just go ride your bike, relax, and try to not get too wound up over things on the internet. In the nicest possible way, very few, if any people care about your opinion or anyone else's for that matter. You're not cool on the internet. No one is so simmer down.
  • 18 6
 omg how can we possibly compete with cane creek... I know put the adjustments in the same orientation and label it as an exclusive new RAD product that everyone can anticipate paying the upside of 800$. I'm still quiet happy with my dhx 5.0. I'd rather see advancements in making air shocks have similar spring rates as coil shocks and drop the weight.
  • 5 3
 You know what , the 1st thing I thought was it looks like they have put the dials on the side to make it have similarities to the best shock currently available.
  • 7 8
 It's cause it's a twin tube design. The adjusters need to be in the base-valve for them to work. Maybe get educated before making comments as ignorant as this.
  • 7 1
 Relax sister ...

I said " 1st thing I thought " meaning that is not my true opinion just some thing that popped into my head when I 1st seen it , and if you think you are " educated " because you spotted the ( obvious ) twin tube design , then here is a virtual pat on the head *pat*
  • 1 1
 just nay ... I'm going for rc4 or ccdb with zoke a380 ti in front ... this will make me happiest guy on earth (my version)
  • 2 1
 BoneDog: "omg how can we possibly compete with Ohlins..."

I fixed it for you...
  • 1 1
 Cane Creek are made by Ohlins, double barril and ohlins proto are probably very similar tech just with different appeal
  • 17 2
 Looks really nice
  • 9 0
 So do you guys think it'll be out around sea otter time?
  • 9 1
 the new boxxer most likely will be.
  • 4 1
 Isn't it kinda Funny that this thing has the same "ring" for the Spring Preload than the Ă–hlins has got? www.pinkbike.com/photo/10513770
  • 2 0
 It's not, because FOX did a partnership with Ohlins which Speicalized and Cane Creek did Big Grin That is why I said in my previous comment:
'FOX will be like... Oh, look, look, how awesome is our version of TTX!!! Well, obviously Ohlins know how to make shocks and forks, which is great... Don't get me wrong, I like FOX and I had been riding a lot of times with their products, but...'
  • 2 0
 I'm riding a TTX, so i get you ^^
  • 9 0
 Is that a new coating I see on the shaft !!!! Can just see the marketing now "non kashima coat gives a weight reduction and only cost 100 bucks more" Smile
  • 1 0
 Steel shaft, i think no coating, just polishing.
  • 6 0
 I was trying to be sarcastic mate
  • 10 0
 That is the new Wankshima coating , made from 100% bovine excrement and hype.
  • 1 0
 I think the chrome one is chromium or Nickel, and the black one something like DLC (the same as on the blackbox""""boxxer"""" few years ago)
  • 1 0
 @sewer-rat Sorry mate, didin't quite catch the sarcasm. Smile
  • 1 0
 No probs buddy
  • 3 0
 I'm guessing they had to use a steel shaft as they needed a thinner shaft to make room for the 'twin tubes' design inside the shock body
  • 2 0
 yea it looks like a twintube ala ohlins and canecreek
  • 6 1
 Thanks to Mike Levy for posting a great article. This guy is on point with his comments and replies. Glad he takes the time to answer questions and when the answers arent so clear, he writes those answers clean and intelligible. Thx for being on point Mike.
  • 2 0
 +1 I like these preview/speculation articles. Short and interesting. You'd think people were being forced to read these the way they bitch on. You got choice.
  • 8 2
 So after hammering that bigger piston shafts were better, they've gone the other way ? Haha ...
  • 6 0
 The shaft size on the RC4 is about oil displacement and being aluminum, with the last point meaning that it requires a larger diameter than if it was steel. I suspect that this shock uses entirely new damping circuits and oil flow has allowed them to go with a smaller diameter steel shaft that likely offers less friction at breakaway and in motion.
  • 2 1
 The smaller shaft diameter also means that it displaces less oil which in turn means that the piggyback reservoir can be smaller.
  • 2 0
 Its funny how things come and go like that. One year this is the best next year its bad and the other year its the best again. Thats funny
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy, although I totally agree with you (like you, I don't think they are going back and forth with the shaft diameter, since oil flow is caused by very different reasons in the two designs, as you explained), I clearly sense these people have no idea of what you are talking about.
  • 1 1
 @juanpkumicho - what do you think the oil flow is caused by? There is only one thing that causes oil flow.
  • 2 0
 I wouldnt be surprised if they have gone to a bladder system in the piggy back, like their FIT dampers in the forks. Its makes a ton of sense and reduces the risk of cavitation (when air leaks over the IFP into the main damper).
  • 1 3
 There wouldnt be enough toom in a piggy back for a bladder would there, I wouldnt have thought so any way. And how would you go about bleeding it when its time to service it.
  • 2 0
 Actually there is. DVO uses a bladder in the jade. Supposedly servicing is easier with a bladder.
  • 2 0
 Iws about to say exactly that. Smile
You can get the compression unit out of the Jade for shim-tuning without losing oil, if i have understood correctly. Smile
Kinda wonder what they could do about an air shock! Wink
  • 1 0
 It would just be a servicing nightmare and the home mechanic would find it very difficult if possible at all.
  • 1 0
 @Zero, Avalanche have used bladder shocks for some time, servicing is no harder than a 'normal' IFP assembly. The real killer is that the bladder is made to a high enough quality that it doesn't degrade and burst, not a problem with Ava, but something Marzocchi would like us all to pretend we've forgotten.
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As for that shock, with the adjusters being where they are (and that skinny steel shaft) could Fox be heading for a poppet valve system like Cane Creek? That would be hilarious, what Fox suspension really need right now is more moving parts even more dependant on high tolerance manufacturing.
  • 2 1
 @ dugglesthemuddled - I don't think there is a bladder in this shock simply because I suspect the piggyback would need to be larger, but we'll find out in the future. FOX has been pretty set on IFPs in the past as well.
  • 1 0
 @fix, the reason I say it will be harder to service is that when a bladder is involved you have to bleed it. With O/B dampers you just put it in the leg and then put in the oil, cycle the forks a few times and its good to go. With a fit damper you have to take it apart remove all the oil then fill it back up with a syringe and leave it for a few days to bleed all the air out. So im thinking the smaller piggy back bladder, the more fiddley and temprimental. I dont know though I could be wrong.
  • 1 0
 It's not that big of an issue when reassembling a shock, doing it with the shock in an oil bath is the sensible way to do it. For forks dampers that can be an issue as you quite rightly point out, it's a lot of oil for a bath big enough for a FiT cartridge and beyond a home mechanic.
  • 2 1
 No need for a syringe and it just needs to sit for about 1.5 hours when bleeding the Fit damper.
  • 4 0
 Cavitation occurs when oil reaches its vapor pressure, not when air from the IFP chamber migrates into the oil...

IFPs and bladders both do the same job; they separate air and oil, they allow displaced fluid to be "stored" and also pressurize the oil to avoid cavitation.
  • 1 0
 @dual, thats incorrect dude ,if you havent got a vacuum pump which are big bucks you need a syringe to bleed the damper and it will then have to sit from any where 1-3 days while periodically cycling the shock to allow all the air bubbles to escape to the top and into the syringe (thats if you do it properly any way). Leaving it for a short a time as you say, youll end up with air bubbles still trapped in the bladder and a shite performing damper that will get worse with use.
  • 1 0
 No, it's not. Been doing them for years. All of that oil with bubbles comes out the top of the damper. Anybody that knows me and has a 40, has me do them before they even ride them because I do it so well.
  • 1 0
 @tacubaya, thank you for correcting the so wrong statement up there. As I was reading down I was getting worried no one noticed that.
  • 1 0
 I believe it can also occur with a rapid change in pressure also.
  • 1 0
 FOX will be like... Oh, look, look, how awesome is our version of TTX!!! Well, obviously Ohlins know how to make shocks and forks, which is great... Don't get me wrong, I like FOX and I had been riding a lot of times with their products, but...
  • 1 0
 Don't hate the player, hate the game. You guys shouldnt be shooting that much at Fox. In a modern world it is how it is. Marketing has more to do with a successful product than tech. Yeah sure we like to see the new stuff and looks like these guys prepare for the storm coming ...
  • 1 0
 look like it requires special keys to disassemble it. why do they do it so complicated? every kid can disassemble DHX3/4/5, DHXair3/4/5 and RC4 for oil changing and service. you need your hands grow from your ass to not be able to do it. now everything looks much complicated. why?
  • 2 0
 Fox actually does manufacture different length reservoir cans for its DHX RC4 series depending on length.
And no mention about the DLC coated shaft?
  • 1 0
 What is really interesting is that from all the companies getting suspension out on the market, Manitou is the only one staying silent. Could they be about to burst suddenly into the spotlight? Smile
  • 4 0
 Or have no budget for hype adverts due to lack of sales in recent years ? Wink
  • 2 0
 I ride a dorado and it kicks ass. So it isnt the quality of the products
  • 1 0
 Don't really know. The Dorado has been more than well accepted, but i guess 1 product is not enough. Hopefully, the Mattoc would put things back on the highway for Manitou.
The Evolver air shocks and more recently its next version, the Swinger Pro air, are also pretty well accepted by the bike crowd, only the advertisement division is sleeping. My opinion is that they really need to up their game in the ads of their products.
My Dorado and Evolver are pretty much perfect on the trails! Got a Minute Pro 2012 on my trail-bike and it's flawless as well! Smile
  • 1 0
 I'm not hating on manitou , more highlighting the fickle , fashion like world of biking we are in Razz

I'm looking at upgrading my fork soon , I'm looking at dorados or 888's atm.


How long have you guys owned your dorados for ?

And how have they been for you reliability wise and such ?
  • 1 0
 Mine is a Dorado MRD 2009, a carbon version, with coil-conversion - the air chaimber has been problematic and the previous owner changed it for a coil spring. i've had it for more than an year, serviced it the moment i got it, and it's been flawless since then. No the bike is completely parted out for upgrades during the winter, so the fork is not ridden. Once i have everything to put the bike back together, i will service it again and will continue riding it. Great small bump sensitivity, it's progressive, the hydraulic bottom out is quite nice, not as flexy as the haters say it is, and is much more interesting piece of kit compared to a 40 or a Boxxer! Smile
  • 1 0
 Manitou until recently havent exactly been aiming for the "cool" market. the Dorado is about the best thing theyve done, all the rest has been XC forks or Circus on fairly cheap DJ bikes, Mattoc might change things IF its reliable. But i think the bad rep of the travis, nixon and so on of a few years ago is still hanging around them. I know certainly from the people ive ridden with it is.
  • 1 0
 The dorado is indeed not as flexy as haters say. Im 200 lbs and dont feel anything of it. The travel is insane and also the bottomout system. Super plush and a bottemless feeling . I have it now a year without problems and he has been serviced 2 weeks ago feels like new. I dont think companys like fox and rs can match this quality of forksuspension. I dont want to ride something else and it looks cool to.
  • 1 0
 Before the Dorado, i had a Travis 2008 with Intrinsic Air damping. Wonderfull FR fork, not light, but super smooth and reliable, super plush, and different than all the other alternatives. And i bought it for 300 GBP from CRC while the Totem and the 66 were around the 750 GBP mark. Smile It needed new seals after 2 years of hard use and that's all i did to the fork out of the regular maintenance/oil change.
Had a nixon for a couple of months, but never really had the opportunity to test ride it properly. replaced it with a Minute Pro 2012 which is superb. It's an excellent trail fork!
  • 1 0
 I have a 2012 minute on my santa cruz chameleon and they're actually really good for trail riding. easy to work on, plush and well damped. i just don't know why people dig Fox so much and ignore these good deals. i used this fork for about 2 years and i didn't had a single reliablity issue. maybe they sucked sevaral years ago but now they're really great deal for the price i think. marzocchi had so much issue back then but they are doing great with new 380's, and the back sided arch won't let me hate manitou like not to ride one.
  • 6 2
 probably won't make a blind bit of difference over a DHX RC4
  • 6 0
 Placebos have been proven to work though Wink
  • 1 0
 YES, will be sold for 1000 $ on a 27.5 bike and 1250 on a 26 bike..go with the flow brotha suspen zion !!! prototypes are released for us to be ready to pay the price of our bankable action sport.
  • 1 0
 looks like they realized the shaft from a fox vanilla RC lasted forever now they need to slim the shock down to a dhx 5.0 so i can get it to fit in my 2009 karpiel disco lol im stuck with a 9.5 dhx 5.0 for life lol
  • 2 2
 Yup. No big deal that EVERY SINGLE COMPETITOR to fox blows them out of the water by using air (not meant to be a pun) DB Rockshox and for god sakes RISSE make a damm air shock. Work on it! There are even alternatives to kashima with 200x the preformance! : www.facebook.com/pages/Blonde-Bikes/140240732742736
  • 2 0
 I know of blonde bikes and know someone who has had thier forks done but where does this 200x number come from. Id like to see a link to that article with solid evidence.
  • 1 0
 I like this a lot Smile looks like Fox is going to give the CCDB a run for its money now with both high and low speed adjustments. There are so many new shocks coming out on the market making it hard to choose what to buy
  • 1 1
 The amount of adjustments says nothing about the quality of the damping and assuming you haven't tried this shock it might as well be crap again.
  • 1 0
 Why are so many people bashing FOX??? I thought most people here love them. And the few times i had my leg over a RC4, it performed pretty much perfect. Smile Saying this, i'm a Manitou person and ride their stuff. Smile
But since there is nothing new from Manitou at the moment (no new shiny models, no new secret prototypes), my attention is on the Jade! Smile
  • 2 0
 To be exact, I didn't slate it, I only said it MIGHT as well be shite in response to the guy stating it will be better than a CCDB because it has the same amount of dials (which is unlogical by itself as, if you judge quality by adjustability, how can the Fox actually be better as they are similar in this regard?).

And these negative comments probably stem from annoyance with Fox's way of doing things, i.e. hyping new products to the max, while in reality they can't live up to it. Or stating every year the newest shocks are SO much better than last year - which, if true at all, makes you wonder whether they weren't able to reach this level in previous model years. Compare this to BOS and CC - both have only made subtle refinements over the course of years, whereas Fox stuff is obsolete after a year.

Basically Fox appears to be full of shit and they don't get away with it anymore, with companies like DVO and Manitou that treat their customers like grown ups able to adjust and tune their suspension showing how you should treat your market..
  • 4 1
 Wow, that shock is so Rad!
  • 3 0
 When will Fox actually make something that can stand up to all the hype?
  • 2 0
 Interesting Trek left enough room to maybe fit a 29er conversion if needed.
  • 2 0
 This is why I like hardtails. Hey maybe we should prototype hardtails with suspension shoes.
  • 2 0
 why are we not funding this?!?!?!?
  • 1 2
 I won't be buying this kind of shock, 'cos I ride a hardtail, it's what a bicycle is meant to be. Fox does some great engineering, no doubt this thing works; bet it ain't cheap though.
  • 1 0
 the only way ill get to ride one is in 2020 when i can buy it off some desperate guy who is struggling to make ends meet and is trying to feed his pet ferrets.
  • 1 0
 Maybe it is the heat under there foot of other suspension companys making better shocks.
  • 1 3
 Fox's BS marketing stunts and tricking customers into spending money on their new junk every year to test it for them...RAD is the last word that comes to mind. Anyone curious about all their marketing and rediculous advertising, don't worry, it's all paid for by us!
  • 1 0
 Excuse my lack of knowledge, but is there a reason they aren't using kashima for this?
  • 2 1
 Kashima is so 2014...
  • 2 0
 Steel shaft cannot be Kashima coated. Instead they're using an ultra slick and smooth DLC coating that has failed to be mentioned.
  • 1 0
 Ah. Cheers
  • 1 0
 isn't the DLC black in color?
I really can't figure the shaft's color on this photo - looks darker, but it might just be the light playing tricks...
  • 1 0
 DLC has a few finishes depending on the exact application. Fox has been using DLC on their steel moto shafts for years. I think DLC is a safe assumption.
  • 1 0
 id say this articles legit news, its a completely new design for fox, twin tube by the looks of it.
  • 2 0
 Just avalanche a DHX
  • 1 2
 some one who knows there stuff please correct me if i am wrong but i thought the "A" in RAD stood for air and this is a coil shock.
  • 3 1
 pretty sure it stands for racing application development, but I'm not 100% on it
  • 1 0
 36" all carbon fatty coming soon!!! Say goodbye 'spension!!!
  • 1 0
 wow...the proto session looks sick.
  • 6 6
 the reason he got the place he did was because of the lack of kashima Wink
  • 1 2
 This shock makes me jizz in my pants. The most beatiful thing i have ever seen. 3
  • 9 0
 Might want to consult both a urologist and psychiatrist about that.
  • 1 1
 The fox van RC/R will do just fine for me, haha
  • 1 1
 Are they dismissing the kashima then as this doesn't have it?
  • 1 0
 Greg Minnaar is jacked.
  • 3 3
 when does it go on sale?
  • 2 2
 I like it!







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