Practice run was going awesome until I got over the top of this blind drop to find a small child standing on the landing. Unfortunately we both chose the same way to avoid each other, luckily he had a helmet on and was ok. Gave me a heart attack though!
Have to say as an american you are right mnorris122, wish more people were civilized like that here in Houston. Can't tell you how many times snobby people blow up on tiny mistakes they make that are not mine haha.
We have this with the Water Babies at Mtn. Creek from Action Park. Some of the drunk asses walk on Bushwack and we get to play bang you are it idiot!!!
Tough little tyke though regardless. Didn't even so much as shed a tear it appears. Biker did an excellent job of pivoting his bike up and away from him as he went down. Tough kid, great looking out by the guy, and excellent handling of the situation by the parent.
That was a well executed "avoidance" (for lack of a better word). That was about as minimal contact as could have been made and he kind of spun the bike over top the kid after the initial impact. Could have been a lot worse.
Mother should know where the kid shouldn't play, you cannot sue a car driver because your kid was playing on the road, It bugles my mind that parents don't keep a close eye on there kids, its not the firs time I see this happen but Im glad the boy was ok.
That indeed ended in a civilized and normal manner. To much raging going on these days... Everywhere you go. Good to see both parties are okay, not to mention the fact that the kid sure can take a hit
Love the way the kid braces for impact and takes it on the shoulder like a champ, I honestly just think his mum was doing some unorthodox footy training with her son... "now son, go tackle that biker!"
well just reading a few I still say its MOM's fault she said she Moved the BIKE 1st rather than the KID OUT OF THE TRAIL dOOuuggHH !! .. I would of threw the bike right out the way and grabbed my son out the way of a Black Diamondline WTF !! the kid doing still laying there still in front of a DROPlike they having a picnic brain Fart more like she Knew she was at fault like they say in the NFL replays C'MON MAN!!!....
What you should know if you are car driver and obviously if you are mountain biker is that kids and animals are completely unpredictable in their manner. The difference in both situations is that the rider here saw the kid in the very last moment and his reaction was amazing, I must say. The cow hero was completely dumb to ride full speed a few inches of herd of cows.
well I stand corrected....just had my fill of ridiculous human stupidity for the day and apparently shut my sense of humour off. my bad....oh and HAHA.
I love how lots of comments like this get likes and people who don't get the sarcasm don't get likes lol. try this on youtube and them noobers gonna get more likes than the sarcastic guy.
"Agreed. American parents think their children are NEVER at fault"
What are you talking about man? Americans are never at fault, for anything. The world actually rotates around the USA, the rest of the world just thinks it is the sun.
I thought you were talking to me cause my dash board just shows the comment then i remembered the video. I know right "let me just stop in the middle of the trail!" come on have some common sense
If it happened in America: My kid needs to go to hospital -Mom Let me help - Biker Talk to my lawyer- Mom Mom I'm fine- Boy *Grabs the bike crashes to his son breaks his arm* Are you fine now? - Mom BITCH LET ME HELP- Biker
Police arrive, boy is almost dead instead of getting him to the hospital what they do:
Sir I am gonna ask you gently to put the bike down *puts it down gently* I said Gently *zappp* ON THE GROUND NOW! -he is tasered on the ground.... I said on the ground, shoots on the leg, kills the guy, and then sues him for not following the law, get's a medal for peace becomes president and re elected again lol. -Boy died due to overdoes of BS in his surrounding.
I'm always amazed that when things don't even involve Americans (like this accident) it turns into an opportunity to bash us. Not all of us are a-holes, there are plenty of friendly and considerate people. We don't go around shooting people for the fun of it. I'd imagine some of the negative stereotypes come from people who have never even been here. I'd gladly go shredding and share a pint with riders from all corners of the globe.
If this were my son and he'd run off from me like that I'd give him a serious talking to. I sure as he*l wouldn't have blamed the DHer.
Haha...dont take it too personal het, all countries have stereotypes it is just that american media has longer reach than any other country's media so a lot of the stereotypes we here around the globe are most likely to be american or the ones americans create
I hear ya hetfield1, my comment above was purely sarcastic based on my feelings being similar to yours. I know the rest of the world often times thinks America is ridiculous, I just didn't know how bad it was!! Haha.
roknfnrol, lol. I thought mine was bad, checked yours just wow. I don't think Americans are bad, I just think their more violent, and it's true, on average. But you on the hand, you are American, well based on the flag... Do you do this often? running over kids?
BTW hetfield, I didn't mean to be mean or anything but it's kinda true. In my country iran, people would probably attack the rider, but the boy would still go to hospital lol.
Shit happens. Have you ever seen a kid? They never stop moving about, especially active ones like that little booger. The mom was distracted, and the kid didn't know what to do. Pretty typical. Mom reacted very well all things given.
So glad nothing bad happened though, was hella sketched on the kid touching the rotor or something.
Few years back a friend of mine had a crush caused by kid that ran just before him during local race. He had to brake hard before double and didn't make it to the landing, he bit off half of his tong, lost a tooth and spend few days in hospital and doctors said he was lucky cuz it could end worse than this.
You know what's easy? Saying "keel track of your kids." You know what is the hardest thing I've had to do in my life? Keep track of my kids. By comparison, my double major in engineering and business was a cakewalk.
I get that its hard (sometimes impossible) to keep track of small children. But that being the case, if you are thinking of bringing a child into that environment (around a DH bike track) then you have to 1) make extra sure you know where the f*ck they are at all times, or 2) make the (difficult) decision to leave the kids at home. And if you can't find anyone to watch them, skip the race yourself and stay home with them. You can't just say "eh, shit happens" when you put your kid and another person in that kind of situation.
robwhynot- I got two and agree with sino428. WTF are parents doing taking a kid that age out onto a downhill track?
Since his first trail ride my son knows if he stops, it's off the trail. If he crashes, he gets up and off the trail before looking himself or his bike over.
Why don't you stop making excuses for bad parenting.
If your car broke down on the side of a highway with cars flying pasted at 75 MPH and you all got out of the car, would you be as inattentive and let your child just run around on the shoulder?
I very much know that it is hard to keep track of kids. That's why you don't bring them near stuff like this. If you do, you then pay even more attention to them. Situational awareness is key.
Also, did it seem like the rider had the presence of mind to actually *roll* his bike with him to limit it hitting the child? It seemed like a pretty ninja badass move!
@Rob: everything Sino said was reasonable. Don't be big jewky guy on hewe. You make parents look like a holes. Maybe you should keep it in your pants for a while big fella.
I used to spout off about what parents should and shouldn't do, and then I became one and realized that not every situation is perfect and just even the slightest moment of inattention can lead to near or real disaster. I'm in no way advocating for letting a small kid run around a bike park, Sino's 1st point is bang on, but it irritates me to no end when non-parents play the "just stay home card".
Mistakes happen. You can keep saying "THEY NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION" or you can realize it's an active child, that isn't going to be able to be kept still, a distracted mother, as her child just crashed, and a rider trying to push himself a bit. Shit. Happens. Mistakes are made. Stop trying to make this into a learning experience; as the information is very obvious and very accessible.
What's more noteworthy is how the mother reacted, very maturely, and how the kid didn't freeze up on the trail; he tried to move. Kid knows what's up and made a one time (lets assume) mistake. Don't make this about the mom's "lack of attention" so much as note this was the best possible way a very realistic situation could go.
For all you who are blaming the parents and saying to put the kid on a leash! This track must go through a park, the kid had a helmet on and the mother was picking the kids bike up when this happened. So the parent had her child outside riding a bike and not sitting on there butt watching tv. I don't believe this is bad parenting I believe this is what is called an accident.
In that environment you have to be SUPER diligent as a parent. Go anywhere near a street, dogs you dont know, a bike race, a river, swimming pool, etc. if you have to pick up the bike the kid goes with you. You hold their hand, etc. kid could have literally been killed.... its bad parenting... not Casey Anthony bad... but still bad.
I hear you JSTINGEL, you can be the most diligent parent in the world and stuff like this can still happen. At the end of the day you're trying to manage another human being with their own ideas and plans. If that's bad parenting, then there are no good parents...except the ones that keeps their kids in padded worlds who turn out useless. But that's another discussion entirely.
I blame the parents not for taking the kid out, but for taking them near that track.
Surely there must've been a much safer paved trail or smooth hardpack close by for the little bugger to put some rubber down on no?
Anyone parent sticking up for this one is probably defending their own lack of responsibility and effort in creating a SAFE and fun environment for the child to thrive in.
Not saying I'd be any better, but that's why I don't have kids.
All I am saying is we are watching from a bikes camera and you can't see the surrounding environment. I don't have a single dh course in my area where a child would have any real reason to be near it. For all we know this could go through a park where children and family play near it all the time. In this clip you can see a street and he is definitely not in the woods. I love biking just like the next person, but maybe just maybe, the biking was entering an environment where he should check the drop first.
glad everyone was ok. but i see this way to often at my local bike park always telling parents to keep there children/animals off the tracks but they don't seem to realize how dangerous it can be. some times even see kids riding the wrong way up tracks
There was a group of hikers in the middle of a "no hiking" bike run. I just pretended they didn't exist and they moved off the middle of the trail pretty fast
Nothing to see here... Not shitty parenting, actually pretty good parenting considering her reaction. Mom just wants to expose her kid to dh, kid got loose. Concerned rider wanting to make sure little dude is ok. Exactly how people should behave.
This happened to me around 6 months ago, coming through a very fast section over a crest that I air normally. Mid air I see a young girl facing away with her sister there screaming as I came flying over, I went over the bars as I hit her and she hit the deck hard to. I was more concerned for her just like this dude was for the boy and her father was absolutely great about it to. VERY SCARY!
It was an accident and everything came out OK...I am stoked at how both parties reacted in such a calm manner. Props to the rider with such great concern over the child and his crash handling skills! I have a 4 year old boy and my heart sank when i watched this. Those of you with the crappy comments have not a clue. The kid had a helmet on and was trying to get his bike from what i was hearing from the mother. Go to the 40 second spot on the film...
Always use the opposite side of the direction of the "object" either it being a kid or an animal, to avoid it when in such a situation. It is most probable that a kid or an animal will move forward to avoid a hit by a vehicle rather than turning around and going backwards.
Doesn't always work... A girl stepped out 10 feet in front of me into the road when I was on my fixie at full speed (so no chance of stopping), she was halfway across the road before she saw me, I commited to going behind her thinking this... she stepped backwards and SLAM.. I ended up on the pavement and her in the gutter. Luckily we were both relatively unscathed.. but unfortunately people are just never that predictable.
Kolps is right, UK law states all bicycles used on the road should have two effective brakes acting on separate wheels. On a fixie that means you have to run a front brake by law as your back pedaling counts as a rear brake. Good job the woman didn't know that or you could easily have been taken to court! Also it makes sense to me to fit a fixie with a brake as what if the woman had been a car coming out a side street?
I do ride with a front brake, for that exact reason. I know the law. But still stopping from around 20mph on any bike in 10 feet accounting for reaction/panic time is unlikely. The fact is that pedestrians are unpredictable, and accidents happen. The only person I trust on the road is myself, because I know what I am going to do, but it is impossible to account for everything. If she was a car: a) I would be anticipating a car emerging from the side street, and b) be more likely to be able to avoid by giving a wider berth. She was the one who did not check properly before crossing, and she was lucky I wasn't a car. But people make mistakes. I'm just glad neither of us were hurt.
Ive got 3 kids... wouldnt dream of taking one or all of them to hang out around a downhill course. Thats some idiot parenting, and they are super lucky nobody got seriously hurt. Well handled by the rider though... Id have been super pissed.
Never no what trails are nearby. My 4 year olds shred a single track trail that parallels a more technical trail. I could see one of them making a similar mistake at some point. I try to prevent it of course, but danger comes with learning to shred.
Maybe your kids can ring bells while mine tear down a race course in the future.
Nice to see how understanding both parties were and no one was seriously hurt. However it does make me wonder what the parent was thinking by letting her son stand on an active trail?
Glad that kid was alright and that everyone was calm about it. You can hear the lady say he hit a rut and fell over and they were just moving a bike, I'd be scared for sure!
A few years ago at Mountain creek, there was a deranged old man wandering around the trails, hanging out in the middle of them and then a few runs later, right at the bottom of some big tables screaming "slow down" and waving his arms. I almost landed right on him. People operating the chair lift said they couldn't go and get him because he bought a ticket, so he was allowed to go and wander where he pleased :/ Stay safe out there people!
I was there that day. I completely forgot about that until reading your comment. I (fortunately) never had any problems with him being directly in my way, I did get yelled at a few times to slow down.
No it was probably 2 years ago, under MCBP management. From what I saw of the dude he wasn't really in the way, just more hovering around the trails yelling at people to slow down like a lunatic. I think the experience @keyul had with him in the way of a jump was probably more of an isolated thing. It didn't seems like the guy was purposely trying to get in the way of anyone really.
Yeah, it seemed like he was just really confused and had no Idea why there was bikes all around. Luckily when I went over the table, he was at the bottom kinda at the edge of the trail.
It's gonna be a second guess from my armchair but I would probably try to turn left just before the crash. There was time for it, but it's only me commenting the video.
Other than that I immagine hitting a child like a blood cloud on gogles. Heavy rider, heavy bike, going fast, there's no way to stop. That is why whenever I can see a kid I slow down with exaggeration. For a child like him, it's like a train crashing him over. I'm glad kids are made of sponge and nothing happened. Also surprised his mother (?) stayed calm.
Something similar happened to me and a couple of mates at our local spot, but luckily the rider in front noticed just in time to stop on the lip of the step down, but it still ended up in a 3 mane pile up. If my mate did not stop he would have had an Orange 224 on his head.
Not sure if it's a parent issue really, I have a 5 year old and a 7 year old and we are currently in the alps on a 3 week riding holiday. My kids have been riding since 2 years old and the other day whilst in Les Gets mini jump park my 7 year old (in full downhill kit inc body armour, full face, and neck brace) just randomly rode across the trail at the bottom of a down ramp because he was so focused on getting some air off a rock he'd spotted. We were right next to him and the trail went through a car park - he knew it was there and he knows full well how fast riders come down trails - he rides hard himself. Sometimes we all have to learn the hard way, he had a close call and scared us, a rider and himself. He knew straight away that he'd messed up and felt awful.........is this bad parenting? www.pinkbike.com/photo/11305935 www.pinkbike.com/photo/11305924 Should I take him to the swings and slide in future instead (accidents happen there also)? I would have put him on a leash today on the blue but I couldn't catch him....... Me and my wife often question our approach to their up bringing but they love it, i'd love to hear your feedback.
I go crazy worrying about my kids, but I don't let that stop them. I give them good instructions and tryr to keep ahead of them, but that is all I can do. I am with you.
This is one of my biggest fears on trail. On one of jump tracks at Rotorua there is frequently kids under 5 and they are so unpredictable. I can see one day a some young kid is going to be seriously hurt.
the kid was lucky the biker didn't come in full speed. that could have been really nasty. if such a thing were to happen in my country, all i can say is "well, that escalated quickly .."
and that's why you should wear a helmet, watch the kid's head hit the ground. he would have been crying if he didn't have a helment on. glad everyone was ok
The same thing happened to me. I was about to overtake a kid on a bike, when he tried to do a turn without looking. I T-boned him, I thought I killed him because he wasn't wearing a helmet and landed on concrete. Lucky the kids parents saw everything and were cool about it. Either way I think I lost 5 years of my life because of it.
Glad that this worked out as well as it did. Good bike control and quick reactions to turn the wheel and try to avoid running the kid over and instead maybe just give him a glancing hit. I'm sure in the rider's mind he was thinking pre-crash "NO! Don't run across the track!! Other way!" Very surprised at how calm the two parties acted, but yelling and arguing wouldn't have solved anything. Irresponsible parenting, not bad parenting. Here's my problem with it, the Mom knows what kind of park she took her son to and she should know that there are going to be other adult riders there, potentially. When she says "I was putting the bike away", umm why not take your son with you or at least keep him closer by? There are no cars in sight, she came running back into the frame from a distance unknown. So how far away was she taking that bike? If it is that far away why would you leave your kid to roam free at this park. Its not like he had a playground he could have gone to while the mom put the bike away. School of hard knocks is open for the kid.
Nothing like a random child in the middle of a trail...right at the foot of a g-out, no less.
That being said, if the rider isn't sponsored then he damn well should be. It's safe to say that a lot of us might have had a totally different outcome in the exact same situation. I won't lie...I looked away the first time I watched this clip and was totally shocked to not only hear zero "thud-oof-crunch-biff", but silence followed by "you ok?, etc.". The way he avoids 'sploding Junior into bits, avoid hurtling himself into oblivion during it all and then calmly checks Junior to make sure he's ok REALLY made an impression on me. BTW, that kid is a badass...not even a quivery lip after that??
I'd like to think I'd handle this the same way, but I'd be lying. I would at least give mom a quick lecture, I'm sure. I have the bailing thing on lock-down, so I feel I'd be at or perhaps even above your fine effort there. I also hope I never have to find out!
Thanks for being a great representative of the sport!!
Skills parks are very common now in my part of the country. Its great that parents introduce the kiddies to riding. I just wish they were dilligent with watching them. I constantly have to tell the parents to watch the kids when im dirt jumping. Its sad when i have to remind the parents to protect there children.
Truly. My neighbour's kid got run over by his mom and her chainring ripped his back up BAD. He told me "sometimes I wish I wasn't alive. Like when my mom ran over me and cut my back" I was like "WHOA. Pain can be bad, but it went away didn't it?" Yikes.
Mojo, I'm right there with you. I wouldn't take my dog to a bike park, let alone my toddler if I had one. And at least my dog knows to keep a good pace pointed downhill. I'm all for kids biking, but toddlers on dh trails need not apply unless they're shredding.
www.pinkbike.com/video/159119
www.pinkbike.com/news/biker-crashes-into-cow-2014.html
now you get the joke
What are you talking about man? Americans are never at fault, for anything. The world actually rotates around the USA, the rest of the world just thinks it is the sun.
youtu.be/LBmxDNqU8K4
My kid needs to go to hospital -Mom
Let me help - Biker
Talk to my lawyer- Mom
Mom I'm fine- Boy
*Grabs the bike crashes to his son breaks his arm*
Are you fine now? - Mom
BITCH LET ME HELP- Biker
Police arrive, boy is almost dead instead of getting him to the hospital what they do:
Sir I am gonna ask you gently to put the bike down
*puts it down gently*
I said Gently *zappp* ON THE GROUND NOW!
-he is tasered on the ground....
I said on the ground, shoots on the leg, kills the guy, and then sues him for not following the law, get's a medal for peace becomes president and re elected again lol.
-Boy died due to overdoes of BS in his surrounding.
If this were my son and he'd run off from me like that I'd give him a serious talking to. I sure as he*l wouldn't have blamed the DHer.
BTW hetfield, I didn't mean to be mean or anything but it's kinda true. In my country iran, people would probably attack the rider, but the boy would still go to hospital lol.
So glad nothing bad happened though, was hella sketched on the kid touching the rotor or something.
If not, SFTU
Since his first trail ride my son knows if he stops, it's off the trail.
If he crashes, he gets up and off the trail before looking himself or his bike over.
Why don't you stop making excuses for bad parenting.
If your car broke down on the side of a highway with cars flying pasted at 75 MPH and you all got out of the car, would you be as inattentive and let your child just run around on the shoulder?
What's more noteworthy is how the mother reacted, very maturely, and how the kid didn't freeze up on the trail; he tried to move. Kid knows what's up and made a one time (lets assume) mistake. Don't make this about the mom's "lack of attention" so much as note this was the best possible way a very realistic situation could go.
Cheers.
Surely there must've been a much safer paved trail or smooth hardpack close by for the little bugger to put some rubber down on no?
Anyone parent sticking up for this one is probably defending their own lack of responsibility and effort in creating a SAFE and fun environment for the child to thrive in.
Not saying I'd be any better, but that's why I don't have kids.
A few years ago at Mountain creek, there was a deranged old man wandering around the trails, hanging out in the middle of them and then a few runs later, right at the bottom of some big tables screaming "slow down" and waving his arms. I almost landed right on him. People operating the chair lift said they couldn't go and get him because he bought a ticket, so he was allowed to go and wander where he pleased :/ Stay safe out there people!
Other than that I immagine hitting a child like a blood cloud on gogles. Heavy rider, heavy bike, going fast, there's no way to stop. That is why whenever I can see a kid I slow down with exaggeration. For a child like him, it's like a train crashing him over. I'm glad kids are made of sponge and nothing happened. Also surprised his mother (?) stayed calm.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/11305935
www.pinkbike.com/photo/11305924
Should I take him to the swings and slide in future instead (accidents happen there also)? I would have put him on a leash today on the blue but I couldn't catch him....... Me and my wife often question our approach to their up bringing but they love it, i'd love to hear your feedback.
if such a thing were to happen in my country, all i can say is "well, that escalated quickly .."
Here's my problem with it, the Mom knows what kind of park she took her son to and she should know that there are going to be other adult riders there, potentially. When she says "I was putting the bike away", umm why not take your son with you or at least keep him closer by? There are no cars in sight, she came running back into the frame from a distance unknown. So how far away was she taking that bike? If it is that far away why would you leave your kid to roam free at this park. Its not like he had a playground he could have gone to while the mom put the bike away. School of hard knocks is open for the kid.
That being said, if the rider isn't sponsored then he damn well should be. It's safe to say that a lot of us might have had a totally different outcome in the exact same situation. I won't lie...I looked away the first time I watched this clip and was totally shocked to not only hear zero "thud-oof-crunch-biff", but silence followed by "you ok?, etc.". The way he avoids 'sploding Junior into bits, avoid hurtling himself into oblivion during it all and then calmly checks Junior to make sure he's ok REALLY made an impression on me. BTW, that kid is a badass...not even a quivery lip after that??
I'd like to think I'd handle this the same way, but I'd be lying. I would at least give mom a quick lecture, I'm sure. I have the bailing thing on lock-down, so I feel I'd be at or perhaps even above your fine effort there. I also hope I never have to find out!
Thanks for being a great representative of the sport!!
Gotta start somewhere I guess all was ok I see the rider reacted well not to drag his bike over him too...
www.pinkbike.com/video/367511