Federal Court Upholds Validity of Stan’s NoTubes Patent

Feb 8, 2016 at 12:47
by Pinkbike Staff  
Stan Koziatek co-founder of Stan s NoTubes working on one of his company s wheels.

Stan Koziatek, co-founder of Stan.s NoTubes, working on one of his company's wheels.


Stan’s NoTubes, the New York-based manufacturer of innovative rims, wheels and tubeless products, prevailed at the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in a hard-fought battle against Specialized Bicycle Components, Inc. (“Specialized”). The Federal Circuit decision upholds a previous ruling by the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB), which had declared Stan’s NoTubes’ U.S. Patent Number 7,334,846 to be valid.

“We are pleased to have reached a positive conclusion regarding our rim design patent. The court’s decision further strengthens our patent portfolio,” said Stan’s NoTubes co-owners Stan and Cindy Koziatek. “We look forward to continuing the advancement of tubeless wheels for all cycling applications.”

The design outlined in U.S. Patent Number 7 334 846 applies to Stan s NoTubes ZTR family of wheels and rims.
Technology outlined in U.S. Patent Number 7,334,846 is incorporated in Stan's NoTubes innovative carbon wheels and rims. Credit: Stan's NoTubes


Technology outlined in U.S. Patent Number 7 334 846 is incorporated in Stan s NoTubes innovative carbon wheels and rims.
The design outlined in U.S.Patent Number 7,334,846 applies to Stan's NoTubes ZTR family of wheels and rims. Credit: Stan's NoTubes

The Federal Circuit heard arguments from Stan’s NoTubes and Specialized on February 2, 2016. At oral argument, the Federal Circuit panel appeared to credit evidence showing the industry’s rapid adoption of Stan’s ZTR™ rims and praise for their patented features and suggested that this objective evidence helps demonstrate that the claims of the ’846 patent are valid. An audio recording of the argument is available at http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2015-1412.mp3. On February 4, 2016, the Federal Circuit affirmed the PTAB’s decision in a Rule 36 summary affirmance.

This matter began in 2008 when Specialized released rims that Stan’s NoTubes alleged to infringe the ’846 patent. Stan’s NoTubes was left with no choice but to protect its proprietary technology by suing to stop Specialized’s alleged infringement in the United States District Court for the Western District of New York. A judgment was entered against Specialized in that case in 2015, with Specialized paying compensation to Stan’s NoTubes.

U.S. Patent Number 7 334 846 held by Stan s NoTubes details a rim design for bicycle wheels.

Stan’s NoTubes currently holds the following four U.S. patents related to the rims and wheels in its ZTR™ family of products with Bead Socket Technology:
U.S. Patent Number 7,334,846 (http://www.google.com/patents/US7334846)
U.S. Patent Number 8,007,053 (http://www.google.com/patents/US8007053)
U.S. Patent Number 8,613,485 (http://www.google.com/patents/US8613485)
U.S. Patent Number 9,162,524 (http://www.google.com/patents/US9162524).

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127 Comments
  • 233 17
 Another reason to hate Specialized
  • 164 4
 Look, they even made MrNiceGuy hate them.. that takes some doing.
  • 27 127
flag stalkinghorse (Feb 8, 2016 at 13:45) (Below Threshold)
 I don't see it that way. I see this as a win for Stan's but a loss for consumers, who now have only one option for this type of rim. The upside of patents is that they encourage inventors in invent; the downside is that they enable monopoly profits for the inventor to detriment of the consumer.

I guess my point is that if there's good MTB technology out there, I hope lots of companies will adopt it, and not be deterred by the risk of a patent infringement suit.
  • 241 4
 Loss for the consumer? I'm sure Specialized can pay to license Stan's technology. Sun Ringle does. Those f*ckers at Specialized sue everybody. It's about time that they got a taste of their own medicine. Big win for the little guy!
  • 77 4
 Patent protection is what makes the investment in product development worthwhile.. Innovation would be stifled otherwise. With patent protection, a guy like Stan can use his creativity and resources to create a rim design that benefits riders and take it to market without having to worry that some big company will come in and sweep the market away from him. Without that protection, people would be a lot less likely to invest their own money to make better products.. you want rad new stuff, Patents help make that happen.
  • 21 60
flag jfloren (Feb 8, 2016 at 22:52) (Below Threshold)
 Haters hate Specialized when they sue anyone, and hate them when they get sued by anyone else. No need to be consistent. You gonna hate, go ahead. Feel better?
  • 12 3
 It is open to debate whether patents actually help the economy. Contemporary economic evidence seems to show that patents protect large, established firms and harms smaller, newer companies.
  • 66 5
 @jfloren People hate Specialized because they will sue ANYONE, for the most ridiculous reasons. So if they get sued by someone else, it is generally seen as them getting what they deserve.

Let's remember some of the dumb junk Specialized have done in the past:
-Attacked a small Portland bike company for using the word "stump:" in their bike name.
-Forced a small Portland wheelbuilder to change their name for using the word "Epic:"
-Tried to sue Volagi Cycles. To be fair, they did win ...a lump sum of ONE DOLLAR in damages hahaha.
-Forced a war veteran to change the name of his bike shop Cafe Roubaix because Specialized think they own the name of that small town in France.

Specialized don't seem to realise (or care) what this stuff does to their image. They are creating gaps for other companies to grab customers.
  • 26 0
 DOn't forget they also sued Stratos suspension and put them out of business due to legal fee's
  • 7 3
 @stalkinghorse I don't want to be rude but I think you're stupid or you have never encountered stealing of your intellectual properties.
  • 17 7
 @AlexRob

While I actually agree with you on their image but at the risk of sounding like an apologist, you're giving half the story on a few of those cases:

-Attacked a small Portland bike company for using the word "stump:" in their bike name.
The company had a cross bike called the Stumptown, which they felt was too close to Stumpjumper. Both agreed to change the name to "Stumptown OR".

- Don't know the Epic wheels one too well.

- Volagi was a company started by former employees. Actually think their bike looks a bit like a Tarmac, anyway if you ever see former employees start a competitor there's going to be bad feelings. velonews.competitor.com/2012/01/news/an-expensive-dollar-volagi-owes-specialized-1_203443

-They did NOT for a war veteran to change the name of his shop (not really sure why the fact that he was in the armed forces changes his standing as a bike shop owner). They tried to, then quickly apologized and actually were really humble about it, I thought. velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/bikes-and-tech/specializeds-sinyard-visits-cafe-roubaix-apologizes-for-trademark-controversy_311082
  • 5 0
 I LOVE Specialized, and I LOVE Stan's wheels. Now that I have that out of the way @stalkinghorse how is this a loss to the consumer? Stan's wheels represent an incredible value to the consumer. At sub $500 they are impossible to beat. I wish they came in a wider variety of widths but my Flow's are a great value, I use them on almost every build I have done.
  • 5 1
 @bsavery Ah, you're right, my mistake. Though, to be honest, apologising about trying to force him to change the name doesn't change the fact that they did try. Which is a bit of a douche move in itself.

"Sinyard cited the counterfeit market and an aggressive outside legal team as contributing to his company’s actions, but said that he was fully responsible."
I think they need a new, slightly less aggressive legal team, as it appears they are what causes all of the hate for the company.
  • 17 7
 Specialized is a horrible company. Not only do they do things like this to smaller companies, but their proprietary tech as well. It just screws the consumer. I used to be a fan boy. I've owned 3 specialized bikes and I've had problems with all 3, especially the ones with proprietary junk. My lbs is a dealer of theirs and every employee there has tried to screw me out of money one way or another. Spesh is evil, and honestly, I hope they go under.
  • 11 1
 I've had loads of Specialized mtn and road bikes and have sold their bikes for years. They have some passionate and decent people working for them, I've met some of the US design/ engineer team when they've made trips to the UK.

But they are a large company and protect their IP like all big companies. At times over zealously, which has not helped their brand reputation especially among passionate cyclists.

Their proprietary tech can be pita, especially if your in country Distributor is not good.

Overall, lately I just get the feeling their bikes are uncompetitive on price. If you look at their carbon fibre, their s-works stuff is good but way overpriced. Their non s-w stuff not so good, cheap carbon/resin, a bit heavy and soft feeling. Smart marketing, but not such value for educated Customer.
  • 10 0
 They also sued a bike company that named their bikes using varying cultures names for wind. Even with years of doing this behind them, when one of those names seemed a little too close to a Specialized bikes name, they sued. It's ashamed what they are doing to themselves. My first Specialized was my 98 Stumpy. Had a few since then, as well for my wife and kids, but their over zealous nature with law suits has brought me to the point I won't spend another dime on their products. Don't kid yourself, the only thing that save Cafe Roubaix was public outcry and nothing more.
  • 3 4
 Specialized to me is kinda like the Government. . . . . . Just too big! They do make some great bikes though!
  • 11 0
 Funny how specialized sues everyone else for ripping off their products. And than they go and rip someone elses products off. Now if thats not the pot calling the Kettle black I don't know what is. God I hate specialized!!!!
  • 6 0
 @ spunkmtb... you're absolutely right!! Whenever I think of Specialized, I think about Stratos getting screwed over. Stratos had started developing a custom damper cartridge for suspension forks that increased mid stroke support. Back in the day I knew a guy with one in his Shiver. He loved it. Then Specialized ran over them.
  • 10 0
 ''Don't kid yourself, the only thing that save Cafe Roubaix was public outcry and nothing more.''

Nothing else to be said !!! Smile
  • 5 2
 Here an incomplete list of other terrible things Specialized has p done in the past:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialized_Bicycle_Components#Litigation


One thing is for sure, I will NEVER buy or support anything Specialized. I hope karma will come soon, that Specialized goes bankrupted and the owners will be in such big debts they will never be able to pay them off again. Which is exactly the same they did to plenty of innocent small business owners / rider owned companies.
  • 6 10
flag natewarner (Feb 9, 2016 at 16:03) (Below Threshold)
 Three points:

In the US, either your protect/defend your IP/Trademarks, or future cases can cite that the lack of defense, which can make it difficult for you to win future challenges. (overly simplified obviously)

This case is also from 2008, has anyone actually read the documents to figure out if their current wheels are still infringing? I'd guess they changed the wheels long ago to a conforming design.

It bums me out to read all the hate for "big" companies in biking - a lot of the things that making biking a community are financed by Trek, Spesh, Giant, etc. Get rid of those guys, and you can count on a serious decline in world cup racing, live streams, video edits, and technological advancements. Buy some other brand if you want, but in the grand scheme of things, these companies do way more good than bad for biking.
  • 12 0
 @natewarner If we let the big guys continue to squash the little guys it's bad for biking period. Specialized isn't innovating, they're sitting back letting the little guys take a risk and then copying it if it works.

I get it, without the Big S we wouldn't have a hole in our frames to hold crap, but I'd rather reward companies like Lenz, Canfield, Ibis etc.. You know, the ones that step outside the box and do something different, not wait until something catches on to come in.
  • 2 7
flag hamncheez (Feb 9, 2016 at 19:31) (Below Threshold)
 I actually agree with @natewarner that it's not really specialized's fault. Hate the game, not the player, so they say. Specialized has to defend their patents or other companies will take advantage of them and sue specialized. The problem lies in the broken patent system, not in specialized 's behavior specifically. Just because a business is profitable doesnt mean it's invulnerable. A bad yearor two in sales and the big S could go down. They have to be aggressive as a business. It's just too bad that the USA 's terrible patent system rigs the game so that being a douche is profitable.
  • 3 12
flag gtdaryl (Feb 9, 2016 at 20:34) (Below Threshold)
 Well honestly this design of rim is not new at all it was stolen from Ryno lite rims they shouldn't have won any patent rights at all its kind of f*ck I've been riding with the exact design of rims in that diagram for 10 yrs nothing new or innovative infact overpriced as hell Rynolite rims 180$ a rim exact same in those diagram and style their knockoff rims they won a patent for 500$ a rim honestly that's highway robbery and sickening as for specialized they want everything for $$$ and for title
  • 1 12
flag gtdaryl (Feb 9, 2016 at 20:35) (Below Threshold)
 Well honestly this design of rim is not new at all it was stolen from Ryno lite rims they shouldn't have won any patent rights at all its kind of f*ck I've been riding with the exact design of rims in that diagram for 10 yrs nothing new or innovative infact overpriced as hell Rynolite rims 180$ a rim exact same in those diagram and style their knockoff rims they won a patent for 500$ a rim honestly that's highway robbery and sickening as for specialized they want everything for $$$ and for title
  • 1 12
flag gtdaryl (Feb 9, 2016 at 20:35) (Below Threshold)
 Well honestly this design of rim is not new at all it was stolen from Ryno lite rims they shouldn't have won any patent rights at all its kind of f*ck I've been riding with the exact design of rims in that diagram for 10 yrs nothing new or innovative infact overpriced as hell Rynolite rims 180$ a rim exact same in those diagram and style their knockoff rims they won a patent for 500$ a rim honestly that's highway robbery and sickening as for specialized they want everything for $$$ and for title
  • 1 11
flag gtdaryl (Feb 9, 2016 at 20:36) (Below Threshold)
 Well honestly this design of rim is not new at all it was stolen from Ryno lite rims they shouldn't have won any patent rights at all its kind of f*ck I've been riding with the exact design of rims in that diagram for 10 yrs nothing new or innovative infact overpriced as hell Rynolite rims 180$ a rim exact same in those diagram and style their knockoff rims they won a patent for 500$ a rim honestly that's highway robbery and sickening as for specialized they want everything for $$$ and for title
  • 1 14
flag gtdaryl (Feb 9, 2016 at 20:37) (Below Threshold)
 Well honestly this design of rim is not new at all it was stolen from Ryno lite rims they shouldn't have won any patent rights at all its kind of f*ck I've been riding with the exact design of rims in that diagram for 10 yrs nothing new or innovative infact overpriced as hell Rynolite rims 180$ a rim exact same in those diagram and style their knockoff rims they won a patent for 500$ a rim honestly that's highway robbery and sickening as for specialized they want everything for $$$ and for title
  • 6 1
 @gtdaryl I'd suggest you haven't read the patents, or looked at the diagrams or looked at a Rhyno Lite rim profile - how does the square, V-brake compatible profile in this pic www.cambriabike.com/images/product/large/sun_rhyno_lite_xl_rim.jpg look anything like the triangular, disc-specific profile with different bead hook geometry (which is the main part of the patent)? As with pretty well all patents, the devil is in the details. Stans didn't invent the double wall rim, they refined the bead hook geometry so tubeless tyres seat up well and aren't as prone to leaking or burping. When somebody copies that and you've invested tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars in developing it and patenting it, you owe them a legal smackdown.

@stalkinghorse patents prevent marketplace monopoly, not encourage it - if there was no patent protection for the ideas of little guys, the established giants in any market will simply take their ideas and push them out of the marketplace. Why should someone else so freely profit from the time and money you've put into developing a particular technology AND then put you out of business?
  • 3 0
 Your post is not new.
  • 6 1
 Suing someone for using a word in the English language, like "Epic" is very wankerish.
What happened with Stratos? Anyone care to elaborate, or better yet speculate?
  • 1 0
 While I never want the little people to get caught in company crap and lose their jobs, this is interesting
reviews.mtbr.com/specialized-cuts-workforce-announces-restructuring
  • 100 11
 Fuck specialized!
  • 1 1
 a*sholes sue everything and everyone. I believe they had a lawsuit with a Canadian town regarding the name "roubaix" where specialized was saying the town stole their bike name.
  • 1 1
 hahah wasnt a town though that would have been fun. it was a small canadian bike shop called cafe roubaix.
  • 84 5
 Inconceivable! Specialized should have known that Stan knew that they knew that Stan knew they would put the poison in his cup. Therefore, Stan built an immunity for the poison over years so he was able to drink from either cup.
  • 24 3
 Almost randomly deployed 'The Princess Bride' quote. Excellent work!
  • 6 1
 Wait til they get going.
  • 14 0
 You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
  • 6 0
 @SladeTheBlade: No need to be all Inconceivable about it.
  • 2 0
 As you wish
  • 5 0
 My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
  • 5 0
 Stans: That Specchy, he can fuss.
Specchy: Fuss, fuss… I think Stans like to scream at us.
Stans: Probably they means no harm.
Specchy: Patents really very short on charm.
Stans: You have a great gift for rhyme.
Specchy: Yes, yes, some of the time.
Patent Office: Enough of that.
Stans: are there rocks ahead?
Specchy: If there are, we all be dead.
Patent Office: No more rhyme
  • 1 0
 As to the big S, another PB qoute (no not Pinkbike) Princess Bride "To the Pain"
  • 1 0
 Just wait until the rodents of unusual size weigh in. Send Spesh to the fire swamp!
  • 66 3
 With most wheels going hookless, this is kind of like winning Patent judgement for VHS cassette.
  • 2 0
 haha
  • 12 2
 we call this a personal victory. it really doesn't help much but we feel better about ourselves.
  • 9 0
 You can thank Stan's patents for hookless technology. If it wasn't patented (or he didn't protect his patents in court), every company would just lazy it out and use BST. But they didn't want to license his technology, so they were forced to sit down and innovate (please Specialized legal team don't sue me for using "your" word).
  • 3 2
 I think hookless is a downgrade being propelled by a fad. It is preferable to have the same width sidewall as a hookless rim but with a hook added on the inside. That hook ensures that the tire centers itself during inflation, even if the tire is not perfectly true. It also helps prevent burps and tires pulling off the rim during a bad landing.
  • 1 0
 Hookless rims have been around longer than I've been alive. I think Specialized trawl through 1940's bicycle brochures for 'innovations' like the 'ORE' down tube that's straight off an old Schwinn cruiser Wink
  • 2 0
 I think the suit could cover lost revenue. Current technological relevance may be secondary. But... Your VHS joke is still very funny.
  • 5 0
 The article indeed days Spesh has to pay Stans money. I guess that the ammount is based on how much income Stans missed out on due to Spesh f*cking them over.

#f*ckspecialized
  • 1 0
 @adrennan I can only imagine how good the verdict must feel. Congratulations man.
  • 30 8
 Specialized was born by stealing innovation from someone else and taking it to asia for mass production. Mike Sinyard (SP) took one of Ritchey's first bikes to have it mass produced. Viola the stumpy was born. Glad that Stan kicked their sue happy ass this time.
  • 4 0
 I learned that from watching "Klunkers" this week.
  • 25 1
 Yay for the little guy?
  • 27 9
 I used to hate Spesh too until I got really good deals on two bikes. A 2012 demo 8 and 2013 sworks enduro - great fckn bikes even if the company itself sucks. But the level of hate really amazes me sometimes haha
  • 8 0
 They're great until you want to try a different rear shock.
  • 5 0
 the bikes work great, but the roval wheels suck, brain sucks and the "small parts" (like hubs and headsets) are mostly not of very good quality
@AZRyder: you're right
  • 3 0
 @AZRyder Well someone finally made a proper shock mount for the enduro

www.mtb-mag.com/en/bikeyoke-fit-a-standard-shock-on-specialized-enduro
  • 1 0
 There are dozens of bike companies that sell equally good or better bikes for an equally good or better value. Thereby it doesn't make sense to keep on financing the devil, while you could give your money to a company that actually is legit

#f*ckspecialized
  • 23 7
 Just love how people Jones hard for Specialized and don't blink about the fact they have cheated and lied several times through the years, stealing other companies designs .... THIS is one of the many reasons I will never pick up Specialized as a brand. I simply do not, will not ever do business with them.
  • 1 0
 Stoked to read this! tup
  • 18 2
 Specialized has been in several other lawsuits before haven't they?
  • 4 0
 Yeah.. they love to suing people as much as they love bikes.
  • 2 0
 Check out Specialized on Wikipedia, and go to the part Legislations. They have a whole list there of the shit Spesh has done, which even though it is long, it is nowhere near complete (the companies being sues risk a huge fine by taking it public that Specialized sued them, so most victims haven't opened their mouths.
  • 11 2
 Look at any large corporation under a microscope and you'll see all sorts of cheating, lies, trickery and immorality. Making a profit, by whatever means necessary, is essentially their mandate. Not saying I agree with it, but it's interesting that everybody's decided to jump on this particular hate-bandwagon. The underdogs with always be cool. The business giants will always be conniving thieves. A story as old as david and goliath....literally.
  • 13 5
 specialized has been having a rough day with their patents. first lost their prize downhiller to another horst link brand, now this?
  • 8 6
 meh they gained more than they lost with gwin leaving.
  • 15 6
 Go home Specialized, you're drunk.
  • 1 0
 the problem is, a law case costs time and money micro companoies neither have the resources nor the money it could kill them, even if they'ld win the case
  • 2 1
 Welcome to the American justice system and/or you know it well. I'm sure that Specialized was hoping that a small company like Stan's would just roll over and accept their design being used as flattery. But they didn't and justice prevailed for once.
  • 5 0
 @stalkinghorse it shows how little you know about the process of patents and the laws of supply and demand, as well as licensing. Basically all specialized would need to do is license the technology and apply it to their own wheels. They did this with DT Swiss, so too did Giant.

I'm the end this benefits the consumers, as it holds big conglomerates accountable for their actions. I'd rather pay a bit more for a quality product that helps out the little guy, than pay a premium to the big guys for stolen technology.
  • 1 0
 *Supply and command.
~Ricky
  • 1 0
 I guess all the lawsuits aren't paying off. They announced a reduction in force today, of 50 people. They stated it was due to a strategic shift in the company... likely away from useless lawsuits and more towards quality bikes at a reasonable price...

YT seems to have figured out the correct business model, but unfortunately it hurts those working in the lbs Frown
  • 7 2
 While I am sure Specialized DID steal the BST rim profile for their Rolf wheels, I'm also sure that NoTubes hasn't really invented all that much themselves, certainly not the tubeless conversion stuff most attribute to them. Stan copied the work of others and just marketed it better (on MTBR originally). Years before Stan came along (like MANY years... mid-90s) I was explaining to folks on the usenet bike groups how to convert regular wheels and tires to tubeless (tape the rims, seal the tire beads with the black tar-glue like stuff they use for auto-tires, use a cut out section of tube for the valve... presto... tubeless... And if you got a puncture, put a mix of liquid latex mold builder and windshield washer fluid into the tire). I did it for FREE. Maxxis and IRC had tubeless tire conversion kits in 1997/98 that converted regular wheels to tubeless running. Maxxis had rubber rimstrips with molded in valves (something Stan outright copied for his kits) and IRC had sealing tape and seperate valves (again something stan copied). In all likelihood, the Notubes bead socket rim profile was copied from some other existing rim design that was around ages ago,.But since the USPTO loves to grant patents for already existing/invented stuf... well we get to where we are now.
  • 2 2
 it doesn't matter if stans patent was copied or not they own the patent and if another company uses it, it should pay for it
  • 5 0
 Hmmmm kinda like owning the rights to the name "Roubaix"? Not saying you think this, but many people here clearly do - if we're going to make the argument, let's be sure to fairly apply it to all parties
  • 3 1
 @ka-brap how does one own the rights to a name of a town and race that's been around for a 100 years before your company?

God if I were rich I'd help that town sue Specialized until Mike was living in a cardboard box.
  • 1 0
 @ka-brao I am not talking names, it's patents.

the name thing with cafe roubaix is ridiculous
  • 1 0
 @TheOriginalTwoTone it's simply a part of trademarking. Just ask Trek and their ownership of Alpe d'Huez, Dolomiti, and Maillot Jaune. In product trademark naming, it is very common.
  • 1 0
 Or warner music attempting to copyright the lyrics and music to the song "happy birthday"

The producers of the show Big Bang Theory are facing a lawsuit right now over the song Soft kitty... which they took from a book of children's nursery rhymes first published in the 1930s. Problem is, the song's author only granted publishing rights to the book company, she never gave up her copyright to her work, and now her daughters (who are themselves senior citizens) are suing CBS and the show over use of the song. And they've created a whole wack of merchandising around it too.
  • 8 0
 Stan Koziatek has got balls BIG ones !
  • 3 0
 CEO of Specialized Mike Sinyard and his "creative director" (I use that title very loosely) Egger have been copying or should I say stealing other people's R & D for years! Sinyard even had the gall to tell Volagi bikes that they could not paint their bikes red! Confirmed by one of the co-owners. If the walls could talk in Morgan Hill...
  • 10 3
 I wonder how big a check Stan is going to get? Pay up Specialized!
  • 3 0
 1 / 2 mil? 10 mil?
NO! specialized better be using STAN's Wheels for all of their product for-ever.. XD
  • 2 0
 All sports are ruined these days by the intervention of dickhead lawyers. They are the only people to profit through ridiculous charges. While the companies they represent end up with a tarnished reputation, but then they are also partly to blame for letting this shit happen. So much to a bike company apparently setup by bikers for bikers
  • 14 10
 I am from the ACME wagon wheel co. Circa 1812 and i hearby sue Stan for stealing my round wheel patent. P.s Duct tape and Fix a flat are pissed as well.
  • 1 0
 This should be the title of the article hahaha, halarious cause its true, the "innovation" is someone decided to put all three together
  • 8 1
 Fuck specialized
  • 1 0
 They do seem rather trigger happy on the legals. That said - if we all opened businesses involving the words specialised, stumpy , epic and roubaix - their own legal team would soon run up quite an indigestible bill for them. Look forward to seeing an Stumpy Epic Stumpy Roubaix Epic bike soon.
  • 14 10
 I have a set of Stans Flow EX on my Specialized Enduro. I think both companies make great products.
  • 13 4
 Good! Let the Specialized hate flow through you!
  • 7 2
 Dear Specialized. Fuck off. - Christopher
  • 2 0
 I love stans ZTR's! I got a few pair! Specialize needs to add stans product line and quit selling cheap junk to their 3000-5000 dollar product lines!
  • 4 3
 I love Stan's Flow EX Rims!! I run them on my DH bike and they work great, especially going tubeless. Im glad they got to protect whats theirs.
  • 3 0
 is that Stan in the picture
  • 4 1
 Just hate that bloody company......
  • 2 0
 Wonder if they will be suing Mongoose for their "Rockadile" line of kids bikes?
  • 3 0
 Win for the man Stan! I fukkin hate bullies.
  • 2 0
 Way too cool. The kings of lawsuits are finally getting a hard dose. Good on you, Stan.
  • 1 0
 Specialized won't care if they get sued like this... they'll just see it as investment in future product development...
  • 6 3
 "innovate or die" hahha
  • 1 0
 Litigate or die
  • 2 1
 This battle has been going on since 2008? with changing standards i'm sure none these patents even apply anymore haha
  • 1 1
 I got a fresh new pair of Flow Ex as next wheels for my bike, it will be perfect for when my current crossmax will be too destroyed Big Grin
  • 3 0
 whole thread LOL.
  • 2 1
 The only good thing about specialized is the guys that are paid to ride them, Graves, Brosnan, Fairclough etc. all legends!
  • 1 0
 Why can't we ee bee friends, why can't we be friends......just for love of the sport.
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 why do specialized keep doing this , love there kit but cannot bring myself to buy any
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 Most interesting man in the world quote: I don't often say 'Booya!', but when I do it's in Specialized's face!
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 Which specialized rim infringed on Stan's patent?
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 roval
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 in case anyone cares, it was a version of ROVAL that Specialized stopped producing in 2009.
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 What would Mike Sinyard do?
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 I totally hate specialized and what they have done to the industry I'm so glad they got their ass slapped. I waish they would just go away. side note loving the the fact that gwin doesn't ride for them anymore go yt!
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 double burn! sst.. no love for the big S either, def made my day haha, go the little guy.
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 I didn't hate them but I do now!!!
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 I did a little LOL when i read this news piece. Good for the little guy.
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 If they give me some swag I will like them again...
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