Results: DH - Sea Otter Classic 2015

 The rumor has it, that PB crew took Protour into the trunk when they were driving from BC to Sea Otter, and he helped Aaron and Jason Chamberlain to redesign Demo, hence such result. Expect press release on 2016 Demo with Protour linkage soon!

 WAKI, that was perfect.

 Sounds like a "Demo tour"

 can someone explain that joke to a noob like me ?

 @N00B1
First comment thread: www.pinkbike.com/news/aaron-gwins-troy-brosnan-specialized-demo-prototype.html

There's been at least 10 other occasions when the epic troll battle took place, either under interview with Aaron Gwin or any article related to Specialized Demo or just Specialized bikes.You should not read everything, it may honestly damage you, but it can be summed up to:

Specialized is an evil company that ruined careers of Sam Hill and Aaron Gwin by delibaretly made terrible linkage design creating rearward axle path and due to too short chainstay. Then Aaron Gwin is religious, thanks God for various stuff and apparently religion is the work of satan while science is good, because it saves us from satan. Finaly everyone who is against that theory is highly likely to not believe in Global Warming.

Hope that makes sense

 The season isn't over yet. Sam Hill won one race on the demo. Gwin has one win from 15 races, compared with 9/14 on the Session.

 Jaame - I still haven't worked out how come each PB engineer, part time physicist, free from religious delusion is not riding Zerode with DVO suspension. Those bikes have it all: rearward axle path, long stays and gearbox while MX proven, upside down superior fork design shaves off tens of seconds. Ahh and it has factual 150mm rear hub spacing as well as 26" wheels that make scrubs, insane whips and backflips a breeze for the most average Joe, not mentioning superior turning radius with all stability in the world at the same time. They are not a major company, so they are not biased and very ethical, they don't pay for winning Pinkbike product of the year awards. Is it because Zerode is not keeping up with demand, or is reach too short?

 One could argue the whys and wherefores ad infinitum. Fact is fact. I wouldn't buy a Demo if I was racing world cups and paying for my own kit. I'd buy a v10, even though it is made of plastic in China. You can't argue with the stats. Clearly there are better bikes than the Demo!

 That is a nice theory but the reality is that If you were racing World Cups you would be on some form of sponsorship. Even if you'd only get the frame and fork to race on and sell afterwards, you'd take it over paying 3k $ for a used bike yourself... "Average" top 10 dude in national series, even outside UK (where field is stacked with Top10 WC contenders) gets his gear in some form of sponsorship, I am sure that there are no more than 10 privateers who qualify into a World Cup final, who chose which bike to ride. That is true for all disciplines of MTB. Now purely speculating: no sponsorship but high skills equalls you ride a lot more than you work and study: equalls you buy second hand stuff until you get sponsored.

So sorry, but effectively, stats are for people who are far away even for being able to race in qualis in a World Cup, because to be on the start list you need national points and those don't grow on CRC tree.

 Its Bas van steenbergen not steenbezgen

 In my opinion, the demise of Gwin and Hill cannot be entirely separated from the Demo. Who knows, maybe it's the company putting too much pressure on the riders rather than the bike. To me it seems obvious that a rearward axle path will be better at absorbing bumps when you're moving forwards, but hey I'm not an engineer. It adds fuel to the argument when you compare how Sam Hill performed on the state-of-the-art carbon Demo one year with how he performed on the straight metal tubed, shop owned single pivot bike the next year or two. I'm not a Specialized hater per se. I know the Sam Hill and Aaron Gwin falls from grace could be unrelated to the bike just as well as I know the Demo is not an automatically good bike just because it's a Specialized. Put it this way, I wouldn't buy one for DH racing and I'm sure quite a few other people feel the same. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful bike. Especially that new one which I have tried. I don't believe it's the best design out there that's all, not even close!

 sam hill did win the '09 WC on the demo ... and he was crushing in maribor '10, only 5s off 1st with a crash which is said to have cost nearly 10s... next WC, practice super fast, crash, shoulder injury, later torn ACL, again knee, shoulder and so on. Never fully recovered while on specialized.
gwin started his injury problems at the end of the '12 season while on trek. as i remember he also had knee problems in the offseason before the '13 season. then injuries '13 and '14. also never fully recovered until this offseason.

yes probably specilized is applying pressure to get them back on the bike as fast as possible - which leads to shtty recoverys.

but no, its not the axlepath, and not the main pivot. that are minor changes - probably giving an disadvantage in one area - but also advantages in others ... but nothing that keeps you +10s against your competition. when you are looking for those reasons you should discuss about sport psychology and sports medicine.

 Guys for fks sake, let's leave that discussion in the thread I posted, there's enough of this speculative crap going on

 Bike aside, pretty much anyone of the top twenty is capable of pulling of a win. They are racing demigods and I am sure the could beat me down a hill on a Raleigh striker

 Bas is 21 only? I thought he's like 31.

 Protour has problems with yoga positions too. haha
www.pinkbike.com/photo/12067446/#top

 Good on both of them! I'm sure she'll find something by the time she's ready to race.

 I heard it was an e-bike

 2012 26" Rumor Comp

 Wasn't my Tetrahedron, I will tell you that much.

 Godwin!

 Gwinninator, ou'll be back.

 he felt good on this track

 yea i heard Nigeria has oil!

 then Nigeria will get a lot of democracy

 You will take my democracy and like it!

 And freedom

 So awesome to see him ahead of some big names! I know it's not a world cup level dh track but still sweet

 yes!!, 4th here and i think 5th in dual slalom, not seeing enough props in the articles for this stellar-ness.

 yes! much props to jill!

 Bas Van SteenbeZgen? Wtf?

 @Fiodor2six yeah and mike day lives in Thousand "Aoks"

 nope. big crash last year put her out.

 Also not having a team,or a sponsor kinda does that

 She still rides a pivot

 Yup, but not sponsored or on their factory team.

 I prefer the ladies in front of me. Better view.

 But still not sponsored

 No.