I love stepping to the side of trails for hikers and horses, only to be glared at when I say hello. You'd think people would be in better spirits while on singletrack! No matter your sport.
Ya. The cyclocross riders are starting to hit the phils area pretty hard and they need to learn some manners. Saw some cyclo cross guys pulling features out of the trail to make it smoother. They need to get Cota to build them there own trails.
I dunno, compared to the folks in Colorado Springs people here in Boulder are downright icy. Also people in Park City are super friendly, I don't really know about the rest of the state though.
Haha a strong majority of trail users (mountain bikers included) give me the most seem upset when I'm nice and pull off the trail... Is it bad that I find joy in killing them in kindness?
@gratefulfmb, I wear neon, does that make me a bro-brah or a jackhole??
...and remember, horseshit is just wet grass, so don't worry about them shitting all over the trails. Just don't be standing too close when they piss, it's like 3 gallons.
Always have been polite on and off the trail, I was raised with manners and morals. Therefore I always give anyone coming downhill the rightofway and pull to the side for horses. Seems like common sense to me.
And I give everyone the 5 second rule. I say hello, wait....if they don't respond I still reply "great! Thanks for asking!".
Then I tell my friends f*ck those f*cking pricks and we shred on and find our smiles again.
I doubt any mtbers have boobytrapt hikers etc. Can't say the same for them.
I am ALWAYS polite on the trails when I ride in NY.
Horses: Riders never say hi back as I stand to the side and say "Hi! Beautiful horse".
Hikers: Mostly OK except knowing which side to stand on.
Dog owners: Mostly great but this one really pisses me off: Im on my bike and tell them my dog is really friendly. My dog goes to say hello to their dog and my dog gets attacked. The owner does nothing.
I always slow for hikers and stop for horses. I smile and say "Hello" or "Good Morning". They never reply. Maybe 1 in 20 will, and usually reluctantly with a superior attitude. Hikers are about 1 in 3 or so for a reply.
I think it's because they see how much fun we are having and their lives are hell and they know they would suck if they even had a MTB anyway.
Or they are pretending to be a Cowboy, and since MTB's weren't invented yet in those days, it messes up their fantasy.
Not at all, there is a small group of people here that think that their clothes and Strava times make them a mountain biker. They don't pay attention to a lot of the trail rules around here. These guys are always lite up in neon.
Yeah, strava-dirt-roadie-spandexuals are usually dicks around here too, never put out a good vibe to anyone and give mtn bikers a bad rap. No trail manners, they don't care about who has the right of way, never polite. all that shit. I can't stand them. I'd never let anyone dressed like that in my house or around small children. .
I grew up riding horses on my parents cattle ranch, more than I would have liked to as a kid at some points. My problem is the horse back riders I "usually" encounter are freaked out that were even in the same trail and/or their horse is terrified. If your hose is scared of anything other than a mountain lion then you shouldn't be on the trails yet. It's super dangerous to bring a horse out that isn't confident ,not only to the rider but others and the horse. If your not ready to encounter bikers on a trail, stay at the stables and keep training. Unfortunately these are the types of riders you will most commonly run into. Pleasure riders. They don't ride a lot, even if their horse is well trained they aren't confident enough to handle any kind of surprise. I hate to admit it but I'm a better horseback rider than mtb rider. That being said I feel the horseback riders are most of the problem. They want the trails to themselves and they aren't prepared. Who in their right mind would actually blaze past a horse on their bike anyway. 99% of horseback rider complaints i feel are fabricated.
Same with hikers and runners. See way more respect coming from mtb'ers. Everyone says bikers and their Strava times are to blame. Most trail runners care way more about their times. Even when u jump off the trail and say hi they glare at you and don't respond. Then there's the ear bud thing...don't even want to get started on that one.
Yeah the runners in Bidwell Park Chico Ca are super unfriendly. I will pull off the trail, smile, wave and let them pass. either zero eye contact or a glare. You have to keep being nice though, because the one time you aren't it's some fashion trend environmentalist that walks once a year in the park and oh btw....they are on the city council or the park and rec dept and they are going to do everything within their power to get more restrictions put on mountain biking in the park. We need to all do our best to help support and fund mountain bike only trails. Fight fire with fire. Then in twenty years we can tell them all to kiss our asses when they want to use our mtb only trails. Even walkers will be kicked off these "delicate" ecosystems were intruding on someday.
Same here, I grew up with horses and dirtbikes, my horses had to get used to the loudest 125 known to man. Ive had my fair share of encounters on the horses, but thats how it goes. When I ran into horseback riders on a well known trail, noble canyon, they were absolute Can't Understand Normal Thinking S. I couldnt believe the audacity, I mean, I know from experience that most horse people are terrible, but I found a new hatred that day.
Amen. Ears back and licking lips means a nervous dog. After you ask if you can pet, let them sniff the back of your hand and then, if you must, pet them under the chin or on the side of the face. Keep your hands where they can see them. Stop reaching over dogs' heads. They fucking hate it and will bite you if you keep doing it.
@Ddowmtb, there's a difference between an aggressive dog and one that's uncomfortable with strangers. Not every dog is a big dumb happy golden retriever. Some dogs just don't like strangers, which is totally normal and actually preferred by many dog owners for loyalty, attention, and protection. My dog is incredibly sweet but if a stranger comes up and repeatedly ignores his body language that clearly says "I don't want you to pet me like that" then he's going to escalate it to the next level which may be growling, showing teeth, or nipping, unless someone intervenes. Since, in general, people in the US don't seem to know how to interact with animals besides big dumb happy golden retrievers, I just tell them he doesn't like people and no, they can't pet him. And if they try to pet him without asking me I scold them. But that's no reason for me and him to not enjoy public trails.
This is the opposite in Southern California. The Lycra wearing Strava-Joe's are the ones speeding past hikers, horses, joggers, and riders without a nod or acknowledgement. I say 'Hey!' all the time and just get a blank stare. Hope you hit KOM, ya'douuuuuche!
Except it seems to be the Spandex wearing Strava kings who don't have time to slow down for anyone these days. Strava sucks the fun out of MTB. Its turned every ride into a race for either trail king or personal records. Too bad it doesn't have a smile stat to go with the time log, maybe it would help remind some people how enjoy riding again.
@Taduuh Are you the fun police? No one is forcing you to use Strava, or to ride with people who use Strava. Fun has different meanings to different people. I'd be smiling after a KOM or a new PR. Wear your baggies and enjoy your trail your way. Allow spandex wearing BIKERS to enjoy the trail their way.
Tk24 Unless you are riding a downhill specific trail, the only way you will get your KOM or new PR, is to NOT pull over for others or ride when absolutely no one else is on the trail. I will admit though, it was not fair to pick on spandex riders only, I guess I get tired of everyone acting as if it's is casual baggies that are the a$$holes (notice the clothes in the video, it's kind of like the whole snowboarders are dicks and not skiersthing) when in reality it's not a clothing thing it is a person thing. From personal experience with riding with strava users I find that sooooo many times the first thing I hear after a fun ride is "damnit, I just missed so and so's time or, What the hell, I rode this 2 minutes faster last month." Instead of "Man, that was a blast."
When I first started using strava it was always a race, mostly against my brother and friends for bragging rights. Then it was a KOM thing. Now it's just a plus. I'm stoked if I break 3000 feet of elevation gain, and I'm excited if I get a KOM. It's a great tool for the mature and responsible. Plus it's awesome to have a constant race to have you pushing yourself on any given ride. Plus how would you ever know if you were improving on your local trails scientifically ? Many ways to skin a cat
I use strava every time I ride pretty much, but before I get on the bike I determine if it's gonna be a fun ride or a performance ride, and I NEVER try for pr's if a trail is busy
I sure miss riding in Mexico, where everyone is just naturally friendly out on the trail. Everyone in the states seems to be checking each other out to see who's missing some trail etiquette so they can call them out. I guess it comes with the natural progression of the sport, it gets big and you start stepping on people's toes. Biking kind of loses its freedom though. I think I just need my yearly dose of something remote right about now.
This is super interesting. I grew up in Marin and raced in the NorCal league of NICA for 3 years. Of course everyone on the trails is there to have fun and courtesy is king, but the concept of bikes and horses legally sharing singletrack in the Bay Area is very sparse. I've experienced everyone from horse riders enthusiastically following me down trails to hikers who won't let me pass and threaten to call the cops on me for trying to ride legal trails. I'm really not surprised NICA would portray getting your tires off the ground as a douche move, they make all races sign a contract saying they will NEVER do this. I for one find getting creative while riding downhill with my friends far more fun than spinning up a hill and being overly polite to a bunch of strangers. NICA does many of great things, but I often worry that their mission is too firmly rooted in amassing new riders at the expense of the quality of experience of the many riders that do participate. Finally, congratulations to Kate for continuing to slay races after high school for Stanford.
You have perfectly summed up my feelings about this video, the bay area, and the overall NICA experience. I raced 4 years with them and have always felt it was more about gathering quantity than establishing quality. The best experiences will always be getting rowdy with the buds trying to find anything to pop the wheels off the ground. The bay area is an absolutely brutal place to be a mountain biker. Ive had similar experience on the trail with horse and hikers, and its really becoming ridiculous. This video seems to persuade riders to just succumb to all other trail users wishes even if one is simply just riding along on a legal trail.
Haha the IMBA would be sponsoring this, being friendly and respectful on the trails is just common sense. The IMBA is a good organization but they should push for more mountain bike specific trails, it might solve a few of these common issues. I am always nice to other trail users but it is almost a non issue at most of the places I ride, I rarely see anybody on the trails if ever.
I think multi use trails are still the answer, except in certain circumstances. We draw a lot more funding when trail projects are billed to be open to all users, not to mention a larger and more diverse volunteer effort. Plus, public land managers are much less likely to propose and approve new trails if they are more user-specific.
^and dogs that shred are fun to have around...I don't even care if they shit all over..just not on the actual trail,and if you suck at biking and ride advanced trails with your dog,just know you're creating a dangerous situation
You people actually are concerned about fricken DOG SHIT on the trails? Firstly, if your trails are in the hills it's probably 'yote or Wolf shit. Secondly, sounds like you've never had the pleasure of 'sharing' the trail(s) with HORSES. Here's a hint: Their shit covers roughly 20-fuggin-times the area the average dog pile does, but where not every dog poops on the trail every time he's on it, every fricken horse shits MULTIPLE times every damn time they're on the trail. Even though dogs are definitely on the trails I ride, their 'remnants' are so few and far between I can't tell you the last time I even saw any. Horses though, that's an ENTIRELY different story: I REGULARLY have to ride through the, uh, 'ShIT' simply because there's no un-contaminated ground in the area. Lastly, I feel I must point out something horses do, that while doesn't have anything to do with shitting all over the freaking trail, does a LOT more DAMAGE Every fukin step they take places all of their girth roughly in the size of a softball. What that does is create a softball-sized, 4-5"DEEP fricken divet. Multiply that by several-hundred-thousand, which is what you end up with when you've got zillions of those mo-fo's taking daily fuggin 'trots'(pun intended) all throughout your trail system. It f*cking CHAPS MY HIDE when I see or hear the eco-Nazi's going after motorcyclists and MTBers because of all the 'damage' we do, but NOBODY brings up the fact of how much damage literally ONE-freaking-horse does to the trail on ONE-FREAKING-RIDE!
Having had dogs and cleaned up after them...aways...and having ridden through plenty of horse crap and dog crap I would like to remind you that there’s a huge difference between the two. Horse crap is grass based and comes off easily. Dog crap is processed food crap that smell terrible and is nearly impossible to get off your tires. Zero patience for dog owners that don’t at least get their dog’s crap off the trail and to the side.
yes i agree jeremiahwas. yokev, dog shit is really the worst shit around. while horse shit comes from alfalfa and grains, and really isn't that bad of a shit, and not worth getting that riled up about. although i do understand that having those big loads right on the trail, that equine users knowingly leave for us to ride through is indeed rude, but next time you come across some horse shit, check it out, break it apart and smell it, it's really not bad shit at all (unless the horse is having diarrhea of course, then don't do that).
@YoKev...you are spot on. Horses can pulverize a trail's surface. Just add some rain for a serious erosion issue. We have a lot of red clay soils here, and the horses turn it into silt. Sharing trails with horses seriously limits what features you can build on a trail as well. And to be honest, horses just freak me the hell out. They always seem to have an evil gleam in their eyes - don't trust 'em.
Solid video haha, I love pulling over and telling hikers, "Have a great hike!" and they respond "You too! (as they try and correct themselves and realize that I am biking)" and i chuckle to myself as I continue down along the trail
As a Canadian who recently moved to the Bay Area I feel like I've entered a time machine and came out to find the sport of mountain biking has been pushed back 25 years into the past.
I love IMBA supporting co-op trails, and as for all of the strava complaints, I would really appreciate it if IMBA worked more on downhill specific trail sections. My favorite local trail has a designated bike descent and it's so much safer and more fun as well. Meeting people on climbs isn't a major hassle for anyone involved and usually it'll be insignificant in strava times and it just helps free up the trails. In addition it helps with erosion. Especially downhill sections of trails erode much differently for hikers than bikers and by keeping them separate, it allows the builders to create more eco-friendly trails
Three minutes of my life that I'll never get back....sigh. Wouldn't it be simpler just to say, "Don't be a jerk"? Here in Los Alamos, NM we have all kinds of people using trails in all kinds of ways, and everyone seems to get along fine. Sometimes you move out of the trail, sometimes it's the other guy. There's no real rule of thumb regarding who should yield, we all just smile and wing it, and everything turns out fine. Maybe it's because a lot of us are into a variety of sports and thus are less tribal about it. Dog walkers usually get off the trail to let bikers through, bikers generally yield to runners and equestrians, but nobody is getting uptight about it. We're all just happy to be outside, no matter what we happen to be up to that day. Sorry that the rest of you guys are having such trouble getting along and sharing. Good luck with that...
yep. mtb specific trails ftw. and hiking specific trails. AND not just user-specific, but direction-specific. im sorry, but even without strava, people are still riding faster than ever before (and still in total control) f*ck horses. and f*ck IMBA. absolute joke. PTBA is the future, support them
Crockett is fun but not a huge area. I would not go out of my way to check it out it's just not that big. I will say since it's fairly new for the East Bay Park Dist. it does not get a huge number of other users, the majority seem to be bikers. This is really the only park in the EBPD that when set up they worked with bikers. The biggest positive is due to its location and size it does not attract many horse riders who typically need/like larger areas to ride. Personally I feel it was picked by the Dist. so they can say "hey we know your now one of the bigger user groups so look we gave you a place to go" instead of making any changes at their other parks. Yes it's a start but it's pretty weak...
Some trails I go to the Joggers are asshats, others we have yell conversations about dogs ahead and stuff. It's nice. Could pinkbike do a "how-to" for slow people on downhill trails?
I dont get it, did the chick on the horse kick the guys ass and leave? Only the have a XC dirt roadie chick with a carrot wake him up and then in a state of amnesia go feed the horse that just dropped him?
That was some porno movie quality dialogue and acting. With all those sponsors you'd think they could come up with something of better production value.
Crocket is my local - since it's the closest(15min drive). I drive to Annadel or the back side of China Camp when I have more time...please tell me if there's anything as good as Crockett between Marin and Oakland, cause I'd love to ride it!!!
Thanks. I spend a fair bit of time in Discovery Bay so Crocket is a closer option than Santa Cruz. Seems about the same as going to Joaquin Miller for me.
Not trying to be lame with that comment. I know she's faster. I'm from Nor-Cal too and been watching her tear it up lately. Sorry if taken the wrong way.
@gratefulfmb, I wear neon, does that make me a bro-brah or a jackhole??
And I give everyone the 5 second rule. I say hello, wait....if they don't respond I still reply "great! Thanks for asking!".
Then I tell my friends f*ck those f*cking pricks and we shred on and find our smiles again.
I doubt any mtbers have boobytrapt hikers etc. Can't say the same for them.
Horses: Riders never say hi back as I stand to the side and say "Hi! Beautiful horse".
Hikers: Mostly OK except knowing which side to stand on.
Dog owners: Mostly great but this one really pisses me off: Im on my bike and tell them my dog is really friendly. My dog goes to say hello to their dog and my dog gets attacked. The owner does nothing.
I think it's because they see how much fun we are having and their lives are hell and they know they would suck if they even had a MTB anyway.
Or they are pretending to be a Cowboy, and since MTB's weren't invented yet in those days, it messes up their fantasy.
Most likely it just because they are Dicks
Unless you are riding a downhill specific trail, the only way you will get your KOM or new PR, is to NOT pull over for others or ride when absolutely no one else is on the trail. I will admit though, it was not fair to pick on spandex riders only, I guess I get tired of everyone acting as if it's is casual baggies that are the a$$holes (notice the clothes in the video, it's kind of like the whole snowboarders are dicks and not skiersthing) when in reality it's not a clothing thing it is a person thing. From personal experience with riding with strava users I find that sooooo many times the first thing I hear after a fun ride is "damnit, I just missed so and so's time or, What the hell, I rode this 2 minutes faster last month." Instead of "Man, that was a blast."
To group all strava users as "such and such" is to smear them with the same brush that people use for other groups. It's basic prejudice.
Some people know how to ride bikes and have manners. Some don't. Doesn't matter what apps are on their phone or what kind of clothing they wear.
Like any other tool (including your bike)...Strava is all in how you use it.
suck at biking and ride advanced trails with your dog,just know you're creating a dangerous situation
Firstly, if your trails are in the hills it's probably 'yote or Wolf shit. Secondly, sounds like you've never had the pleasure of 'sharing' the trail(s) with HORSES.
Here's a hint: Their shit covers roughly 20-fuggin-times the area the average dog pile does, but where not every dog poops on the trail every time he's on it, every fricken horse shits MULTIPLE times every damn time they're on the trail. Even though dogs are definitely on the trails I ride, their 'remnants' are so few and far between I can't tell you the last time I even saw any.
Horses though, that's an ENTIRELY different story:
I REGULARLY have to ride through the, uh, 'ShIT' simply because there's no un-contaminated ground in the area.
Lastly, I feel I must point out something horses do, that while doesn't have anything to do with shitting all over the freaking trail, does a LOT more DAMAGE
Every fukin step they take places all of their girth roughly in the size of a softball. What that does is create a softball-sized, 4-5"DEEP fricken divet. Multiply that by several-hundred-thousand, which is what you end up with when you've got zillions of those mo-fo's taking daily fuggin 'trots'(pun intended) all throughout your trail system.
It f*cking CHAPS MY HIDE when I see or hear the eco-Nazi's going after motorcyclists and MTBers because of all the 'damage' we do, but NOBODY brings up the fact of how much damage literally ONE-freaking-horse does to the trail on ONE-FREAKING-RIDE!
*I dont do that to be mean by the way