Pinkbike Poll: Are You Prepared, or Are You a Parasite?

May 22, 2014 at 18:13
by Richard Cunningham  

I used to lead regular trail rides and there was always one or two members of the group who chose not to bring anything along beyond food and water. They were the fast guys, so when either had a flat or a mechanical, they could count on getting assistance from a slower rider coming up from behind. It is my opinion that mountain bike riders should be self sufficient, so I always carry the basics when I set out - a multi-tool, one or two tubes, and an inflation device - and I believe that every rider who ventures more than a mile into the backcountry should do the same. One Thursday afternoon, I came across Mister Speedy parked on the side of a rocky singletrack with his rear wheel in hand, begging for a tube and a pump. I pulled over and told him that I had it handled. Smiling, I waved the rest of the group past and when the last member of our group disappeared from sight, I told him to bring his own spares and that I thought he was wrong to rely on others to carry his extra weight. I rode off and left him to walk back to his truck.

Tobi Woggon on stage five.
  Enduro racing was founded upon self-sufficiency, and a well stocked hydration pack is standard equipment for EWS competitors.


Since the hydration pack has become a uniform of sorts, most AM/trail riders carry spares and tools. That said, It still surprises me how many riders won't bother to bring even a multi-tool with them, and some groups are worse than others. Dirt Jumpers rarely carry spares, but they can be excused. After all, most jump lines are within sight of the parking area. Freeriders are about fifty fifty - if they are on DH bikes, though, odds that their owners carry spares drop another fifty percent. Only about three percent of big-bike riders shuttling DH trails or riding park carry tools or spares - preferring the walk of shame, rather than the un-fashionable look of a hydration or a fanny pack. And there are always the newbies - riders who may have some experience, but, due to the excellent reliability of sealant-charged tubeless tires and modern bike transmissions, have yet to experienced a breakdown.

RockShox

DH riders, not so much. With the longest descents coming in under ten minutes, most gravity riders are willing to forego tools and spares for more fashionable attire - and risk the walk of shame down the mountain should the unthinkable occur.



I met three of those guys at Moab last winter - lots of talent, borrowed bikes, no tools, a broken chain, and a flat tire - and they were four miles out on a technical route. Our experienced guide gave the disabled party a chain tool and directions to a shortcut, and then he advised them to return to the trailhead. Feeling sorry for the youthful riders. I gave them my mini-pump, two tubes, and the same advice. Three miles farther up the trail, we were taking lunch when the newbies showed up pushing again and begging for parts. We left them where they stood, with a seven mile walk to the nearest road in either direction.

CamelBak FlashFlo LR tested

What all North American mountain bikers will soon be wearing: A small hip bag stuffed with a couple of tubes, a multi-tool and an inflation device is the minimum requirement to get your name off the parasite list. Food and water are also a good idea.



Harsh? Sure, but how does one learn the importance of being self sufficient in the wild unless he or she suffers the consequences of getting stuck up Sh*t Creek without a paddle? When riders who are either naive to the concept, or who choose not to prepare for the inevitable, become more experienced - at what point do they become parasites? When should those of us who do bring extras, just in case, play the good Samaritan card, and when is it OK to tell a sidelined compatriot to F-off and die? Those questions, my friends, are the subject of Pinkbike's latest poll:




Do You Ride Prepared or Are You a Parasite?






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350 Comments
  • 251 35
 "I pulled over and told him that I had it handled. Smiling, I waved the rest of the group past and when the last member of our group disappeared from sight, I told him to bring his own spares and that I thought he was wrong to rely on others to carry his extra weight. I rode off and left him to walk back to his truck."

A little much don't you think?
  • 221 23
 douchbag material
  • 124 20
 That was deceitful and vindictive. He should be ashamed. I simple reminder or brief lecture would have sufficed.
  • 47 16
 Yup seems like more of a hatred.
  • 93 82
 So after a few simple reminders and a brief lecture in front of his friends didn't work. do ya keep feeding him or cut the guy off?
  • 80 16
 Total tool. Only a real Douche would pull a stunt like that described. Tssk Tssk Cunny...
  • 34 10
 Cut him off after the reminder and lecture for sure! Be prepared to fix your ride or prepared to walk home!
  • 44 166
flag ratherberidin (May 23, 2014 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 Karma will catch up to you some how or another. I really hope you break your leg and that same dude rides by, stops, and says 'oh shit, should have brought an extra set of crutches.' then leaves you there stranded
  • 46 8
 I was on a ride last week and pulled over to help out a kid with a broken ankle for almost 2 hrs. I hear what your saying RichardCunningham but I also believe in trail karma....... You get back what you put out. And a tube costs like $2.50
  • 65 17
 Total dick move. Talk about a moral high horse. If somebody pulled that crap, they better hope they get back to the parking lot before me.
And yes, I do ride prepared, and have had multiple flats (3) on a ride and had to borrow a tube for the last one.
  • 15 6
 ratherberidin - A little too far there dont you think?! Hike out and learn a lesson vs. broken leg...hmmm. NastyCanasta - I think you missed the point completely. Running out of tubes does not equal never bring tubes on a ride and taking them from others.
  • 6 4
 for me my rides are close to home, but doing downhill i never want to take a bag so normally i just put what i think il need in my pockets if its not going to weigh my pants down and annoy me. Im really only worried about having a bad crash while alone and not having any one to contact, but i guess i should stop spending money on bikes for a bit and buy a phone eh
  • 141 7
 can't we all just get along? lol I was riding in orange county last week and a guy popped his front tire in a rock garden, ate shit and was hobbling along down the trail some 7 miles away from the cars. He was obviously pretty hurt so I pulled out my makeshift first aid kit, got his elbow cleaned and then gave him a tube for his front tire. Then he pulled out his half smoked joint in exchange for my services and we had a few puffs at the top of San Juan Trail. If that isnt instant karma I dont know what is. Point is - don't be a dick to people and you will be rewarded. Let's keep that holier-than-thou road bike persona out of mountain biking, okay Dick c*ntingham?
  • 69 12
 I think you guys need to cut RC a break here. This doesn't sound like a rando he came across on the trail. It sounds like a regular in the group who repeatedly leached off others. If that's the case then I probably would have done the same thing. If it's a random person in need, then I would certainly help.
  • 34 5
 Reality is these parasites are common offenders. This is the only way they learn.

MTB is a friendly sport but it does sucks to have the same people always leeching on others for spares. So I don't disagree with this approach depending on the circumstances.

I always carry my own however, I've been in a position where I've used my spare tube and on a second flat, I had to ask for help. I offered Money for the tube which is at least some courtesy to the other rider, specially when a tube here in Oz is $10 bucks.

So, if you choose to be a parasite, go and suck some lemons!
  • 5 4
 shot for the neg props guys
  • 7 45
flag HardtailHucker03 (May 23, 2014 at 17:25) (Below Threshold)
 no it's not the guy needed to learn a lesson so he got taught tough love my friend is the best way to teach IMO an if you guys ran higher air pressure you wouldn't get pinch flats I run 65 psi up front and 70 psi in the back on a HARDTAIL
  • 70 15
 Seriously!?
What kind of dickwad leaves a rider that was a part of your group stranded on the trail?
You could try making him feel like a dumbass and say "Dude! WTF? This is like the (insert number here) time you've done this shit! Bring your shit with you next time or think twice about showing up for the next ride!" Then rag the hell out of him again while consuming post ride beverages and make sure he gets it. But don't leave a rider stranded like that. The f*ck is up with that. You must be some pretentious a-hole to pull that kind of shit on a fellow rider. Even if they did it all the time. Maybe they're broke as hell or crazy forgetful. They bug you that much, then just don't invite them anymore. Problem solved. Ride by your lonesome "dickwad leave a friend stranded" self.
  • 16 7
 I was stuck in the middle of a race with a flat, and was short of a C02 (my original malfunctioned)... Let me tell you, the guy that stopped to help out and give me an extra cartridge felt like some sort of angel from heaven. I was prepared in everyday, but unfortunately my unlucky circumstance left me helpless.
Man what a jerk that guy is to automatically judge the rider for being a "parasite". I hope karma eventually gives him what he deserves, because I don't think there is any rider out there who hasn't been caught out without a tube.
  • 27 2
 Come prepared, but don't leave people behind. That was jacked up.
  • 6 0
 I cannot count how many tubes and chain links i had to fix and lend... Bringing tools and spares are half...learning how to do your shit on your own is another.
  • 27 25
 Good for you RC. He was warned. Phuck'em. It's called personal responsibility, folks. Not like it was a noob or someone that is usually prep'd. Only thing that gets through to some is harshness, so that's what they get. So he have to walk back. Boo Hoo Frown Bunch of whiners.
  • 19 2
 It's easy, just charge repeat offenders for using your tools and tubes, and your time/ride interruption. If it upsets you so much, just don't help them or say you don't have any spares either. Don't pretend like you are going to help someone and have everyone else go past just so you can "teach a lesson" and get a laugh, you are actively preventing them from having an option to escape that situation. Believe it or not, it's possible to tell someone they are a moron and help them at the same time.
  • 1 2
 What tunes do you run?
  • 8 0
 With the rise of tubeless use, inner tubes are now selling from $6-$12..., DH tubes are going for $13-$20...they ain't cheap! I no longer give out spare tubes, but carry extra patches....small, light, and cheap!
  • 21 18
 You certainly live up to your name"Richard "
If that were me you did that to,I would find your car and.......how many spare car tires do you carry?4?
  • 6 0
 @KDstones, ever since I read about a fellow rider tossing pro Clint Classen a tube in the middle of the Downieville DH race I have always kept a kit with a tube, multi tool, tire levers, co2 and head, 10spd quicklink, zipties and gorilla tape in a Jif or parmesan cheese jar in my bottlecage. I figure if I don't need it, someone else will, and I bet they would be damned happy to have a full repair kit when shit goes wrong. There probably would be no problem getting the tools back and compensation for the parts, and then some since they would be grateful. Don't be a dick, ride prepared to take care of yourself and others. You never know when you will need the favor returned, one of my closest friends today was the random stranger who stopped when I shattered my collarbone, offered water, first aid, a phone, called my family and arranged transport to the ER. Thank you Peter!
  • 13 5
 I've always been that guy who brings spares for nearly anything that can go wrong on a ride. Be it in my toolbox or in my backpack. I get so fed up with other riders, whether they're my riding mates or parasitic strangers, who don't bring any spares or tools and think it's ok to just use mine. I buy all of that for myself, not for some other dickhead who can't be f*cked to buy it and bring it on a ride. Then there's the other ones who don't bring any food or water and just think that because I brought food and water, it's ok for them to have mine. And what's worse is that when I do give them my spares, I NEVER see anything in return, just a "Thanks mate!" Now I'm more like Richard and just tell these people "too bad."
  • 15 0
 (unrelated to previous coments)
I personally enjoy this community for he simple fact that if I were to forget a tool, or got more than two flats on the same trail, same day and got stranded, the next person down tends to be nice enough to spare me a inner tube or lend me a pump, without hesitation, That is what makes mountain biking a better sport than most others. Sure there may be people that abuse the kindness of the community to their own advantage, but this people, at least where I live, are rare and hard to come by, and the matter of fact is you never know what awaits you down the trail
  • 3 7
flag SintraFreeride (May 24, 2014 at 0:23) (Below Threshold)
 Total badass! I like your style tough love, haha.
Mr Cunningham: "No more mister nice guy" Alice Cooper
The pinkbike gang: "Give the kid a break" Alice Cooper

I have a friend that 99% of the time gets to the trail head/bikepark and ALREADY has a problem with his bike! He doesn't check the bike after the ride. Super annoying. We can never rely on starting at a given time because of him...
I tend to run my bike in bullet proof mode so only carry a multi-tool, my cane creek double barrel tool and sometimes a spoke tool.
  • 5 3
 RC did give them two tubes and a mini-tool. RCs guide suggested they return to the lot, but they choose to ignore the advice. And came back smooching for more later on. You guys are right, karma was a bitch to the right party.
  • 9 5
 Glad I don't go riding with you, that's just childish and immature, did you ride away feeling happy.
  • 8 5
 Jeez, you sound like a bundle of joy to ride with. You don't just leave a friend stranded. What a dick...
  • 7 0
 Weve all got that one friend who always comes unprepared, but once after giving him my spare tube I got a puncture and my 'friend' wouldn't give me it back and actually repair his, despite having patches with us. Needless to say, he never even got a patch off me again, I just carried on and left him, his problem. Yes, if someone has a once in a blue moon mechanical and needs help then fine, but if its every fucking ride and they're not prepared then theyve only got themselves to blame
  • 10 4
 I cant believe this is the actions of someone who's been inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame!
  • 6 2
 @RC you can stop riding with him instead of living him stranded. Eye for an eye is a bad behaviour and I think the reasons why people opposed to RC on pinkbike are starting to show.
  • 7 5
 Ahahaha serves the guy right if you ask me. He wouldn't learn from the mistake if he wasn't ashamed of not bringing kit so being harsh like that was the only way to make him learn Big Grin Good on Cunny!! Mountain biker or not some people have just got to learn.
  • 5 0
 it´s great to know that people will give you a hand in this sport, and there is a friendly atmosphere at least where I ride, which is enormously important, as your ass might depend on other riders at times. In extreme sports is aways good to have your back coverred. Ocasional "unpreparness" is ok, but people who never ever carry kit beacuse they can´t be bother to, and rely on others, are just piss taking. Especially when they ride with you often and will never give single tube or chain link... back!!!!!!
  • 2 1
 Lesson learned. Kinda creepy though waiting for everyone to pass by. I thought a knife might come outa rc's pack Hahahahaha. Just kidding
  • 1 0
 If you imagine a situation like having a broken back and being unable to move whilst the night comes rolling in.... Yes get a phone dude, you should be riding downhill with mates if possible though, it's all fun til someone loses a bollock
  • 3 2
 I agree cut them off.
  • 3 2
 I agree, feed em to the orcs
  • 5 0
 Let's be honest.. 'Mr speedy' was probably a bellend, and that's why he got ditched.
  • 16 6
 RC is just a bitch. a shameless XC elitist too. "DH riders, not so much. With the longest descents coming in under ten minutes, most gravity riders are willing to forego tools and spares for more fashionable attire"... yeah, because i want to get stabbed in the leg by my multi tool when i crash at 40-60 km/h.
  • 10 1
 I once stopped to help a guy with a broken chain in a Marathon Race. Yes , I actually stopped my race to help this guy ! A split second after the chain was fixed he jumped on and f#cked off .... without even thanking me !!! 10 km later I passed him again .... with a flat :-) . My spare tube stayed where it was ! What gets to me is not the fact that these as#holes can't help themselves but that they can't or are not prepared to help anyone else !! And that f#cking sucks !
  • 8 3
 I don't believe RC's story. Either that or he left out the part where he got punched in the face.
  • 5 3
 richardcunningham, you seem like a total dickhead, you could have easily just ignored the guy, if it was me, i would help. when me an my friends are out, we each carry 1 or 2 tools, and share. that keeps the weight down. i would never spitefully ruin somebodie day just beacause they forgot tools
  • 21 4
 Today with RC

"f*ck you guys, I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Seriously pathetically immature move. Not only abandoning someone, but f*cking lying to them first. Lesson learned, some people are f*cking scumbags, so I'd better make sure to have tools and spares with me. Would hate to actually need to rely on someone I had trust in, right? Rolleyes

To everyone (RC aside), if we see you on the trail, you are in need, and we can help, we will help. Don't worry, not everyone is a vindictive child like the OP. Most of us have no issues with stopping and helping someone out, even if they are a totally new face and not part of your riding group. I mean, why not? A tube's cheap, and a good friend isn't.
  • 28 5
 "So after a few simple reminders and a brief lecture in front of his friends didn't work. do ya keep feeding him or cut the guy off?"

No you f*cking prick, you're supposed to make decisions for yourself and let the rest of the pack do the same. If you're an immature a*shole who can't share, that's all well and good but by waving the rest of the group by under the false pretense that you were going to help YOU become a piece of shit. f*ck you c*ntingham.
  • 2 3
 haha! cuntingham, thats excellent! plus everybody else suddenly feels like a dick for not helping, when they would have
  • 2 1
 This whole article reminds me of a TV show called Grumpy Old Men. It's about old men making mountains out of mole hills, essentially whinging to get attention. Seems pretty successful in the case.
  • 1 0
 I run thorn resistant tubes with sealant and max pressure. The only thing I need is a spare derailleur. I don't think ANYONE gives those out on the trail.
  • 6 2
 How did this even make it to the homepage? Really lame article.
  • 3 0
 Seems like just saying no is good enough. No need to pretend so no one else has the option to help. If others wanna share that's fine.
How many spares does one group need? As long as the guy contributes in some other way to group happiness let thebgroup pack mules carry the stuff for repairs. When I hit the park for the day I bring the tubes, spare tire, tool box, and anything else lying around we might need for the group. A quick trip to my car solves most issues and we get back to the fun. In exchange my buddies help me out with other stuff. Reciprocity extends beyond the trails, and is often called friendship.
Yes it is bad to leech off of others forever, but it is also not your job to deceive everyone else so their buddy can't ride along.
  • 4 1
 This is starting to sound like a witchhunt to me!
  • 4 0
 I can understand the frustration.
If you're going out for group rides on trails that go for many miles and you're all carrying backups save for one guy in the group (remember this man was a repeat offender even after being told) then honestly at some point you're going to have to make him realize what he's doing is wrong. Some people learn the hard way.

That said, I wouldn't have made it into some sort of immature "lesson" like waving everyone to leave under the pretense that I was helping him, only to leave him there as punishment. I'm sure some of the guys wouldn't mind giving him a spare. It doesn't always have to be you.
Honestly if you have an issue with a person like that, be a Man and take him aside.
Make it clear he's never going to be invited on future rides if he insists on leaching like that. If he arrives another time with no backup, he's out. Leave him at home. Simple.
Leaving a guy on the trail is never cool, it just creates a bad atmosphere.
  • 4 0
 What an individualistic and moralistic article.
I help out/offer help to anyone with a bike problem anywhere in any way I am able to. From trail side repairs to random beaters when I walk in the city.

Shame on you!
  • 2 0
 Wow
  • 6 7
 It seems most of you have failed to see that the guy in question was a REPEAT offender! It's not like RC never helps anyone out. Seriously, either you guys failed to read the article or you guys like helping out a**holes!
  • 6 1
 It doesn't matter how many times he "offended" dumbass... What makes RC the a*shole in the story is that he waved everyone by under the false pretense that he was going to help. If RC wants to be an a*shole and not help, that's his prerogative... it is not his right to make that choice for everyone else in the group though. No matter how much of an a*shole the rider was for not bringing his own kit, RC trumped him in douchebaggery by his own actions. If another rider is less offended by this rider never bringing his own spares, that's their own business and RC has no right to wave that rider by acting like he's going to help only to pull captain a*shole and leave dude to walk back to the car. Personally, I'd have whooped the shit out of c*ntingham right there on the trail and then taken a tube out of his f*cking wheel if he'd pulled that shit with me.
  • 7 5
 you know what, RC is a knob, XC f*cking sucks as a sport, its super elitist and seems like it was designed and then subsequently hyped by boring middle aged men, who love to boast about carbon this and less grams that, making up bullshit stories about how they were a dick to somebody on the trail. you do know that XC race machines are just super engineered and hyper expensive walmart bikes right? you can get a capable XC bike for ÂŁ200, you cant get a DH or FR for that. so quit being so self important. you f*cking douche. and f*ck the negative props, because it doesnt make it any less true
  • 5 2
 Please please please can we not confuse XC and douchebaggery! Human beings are responsible for their actions on a personal level. RC did something that was vindictive and was basically the exact opposite of what your average rider would do. Most riders are made or broke over who you have with you. Sure, if you have a egotistical dick leading your group, your ride may suffer. If you've got a pack full of beers and a bong, chilling down the trail with some friends, shooting the shit about the setup on your bike, making a day of any trails, then fucking off for some good eats afterwards. That's a dream day for me, on any sort of bike, road, mtb, or bmx. Cheers dude. If you're ever in the area I'd be willing to show ya that XC isn't full of cunty people and competitive spirits, it's even more the everyday bike style than enduro!
  • 1 0
 that sounds like a good day to me too! sure talking about set up, and even bragging about new gear a little, we all do that. i used to ride an XC bike, and i suppose the definition of the terrain i usually ride is XC. at the end of the day, we do it for fun, no matter the bike or trail. i get douchbag middle aged guys laughing at me all the time on my local trail, at how my bike is too heavy to cycle on this trail, how im on a "kids bike with the big suspension". it really is douchey. i guess theres nothing wrong with it, but people should take it less seriously, this goes for all other cycling formats too, sure we should race each other, for fun, the trail is not a place for teching lessons, and bullitling people.
  • 3 1
 His actions on the trail aren't even what bothers me the most. What gets me is that he proudly wrote this smug article about it as if people would share his cranky old guy mindset. THEN, and what is the most shocking to me, pinkbike posts it on the front page. Is this what people want to read about? Even if this is supposed to be satirical it's still boring and a waste of time to read. If I want to see somebody bitch I'll go watch MTV.
  • 1 0
 Riding Porcupine Rim last week we were flagged down by a group of 8 riders or so not too far from the singletrack.
The leader/guide seemed like he was a 'rider' wearing a TLD jersey and all.
With no extra tubes they had no doubt suffered more flats than a hooker with a Dollar Store boob job.
So my buddy gave up one and then tossed back the money he offered.
We helped and hopefully that experience will have them preparing better next time.
  • 116 2
 I run 26" so I shouldn't have to hand out any tubes these days.
  • 11 1
 hahahh a 26" tube can fit a 27.5" if you stretch it a bit... so you're gonna be still handing out a few tubes
  • 4 0
 When I had my 29er, I used 26 inch tubes because they were a buck cheaper and work. Just make sure to get the 2.1-2.4 sizes.
  • 3 0
 I do that too. Got loads of 26 tubes, may as well use them!!
  • 76 1
 What is truly missing for all the "enduro riders" and backcountry pursuits is a FIRST AID KIT. If it came down to it, I'd rather stop or slow sever bleeding than have an extra tube.

First aid kit and the knowledge of what to do, how and when are irreplaceable. Time y'all stepped it up.
  • 7 1
 Can't agree more. I'd take a good kit over spares any day. Think about it - it's pretty hard to pop a tire or puncture in these days of tubeless and sealants. It'd take a pretty serious crash to do so. If it's rowdy enough to blow a tire, you're likely going to need some first aid. Get a good kit, know what's in it and how to use it, add to it as required, and know how to use it.
  • 8 1
 first aid training - advanced or wilderness - is hugely missing from most riders armaments. if a fellow rider broke a leg, got impaired on a branch, got bitten by a snake, had a fit/stroke/heart attack/went into shock/bled profusely - could you handle it? one of your regular group? if not, consider first aid training
  • 20 6
 spare tube = tourniquet (more than enough first aid)
  • 4 0
 Same here, recently bought a new hydration backpack, and one of the features i wanted was a small compartiment for first aid supplys, like bandages, bandage tape, cleaning wounds and a elastic for those ''i don't even want to think about that'' ''shituations''. I'm the supply truck when ride along with more people.
  • 3 2
 tourniquet cannot help stroke or heart attack. Tiaho - up here you can buy a small packed FA kit in a bag, several levels of quality/contents. easy to fit in a pack, and if you ride in a group, easy to chip in money and rotate who carries the kit each ride
  • 3 0
 gnarbar, I agree with you 100%. I usually carry an FA kit because I know that no one else will. Yes I understand there's a weight penalty, and yes it doesn't look or feel great wearing a pack - but I'm more than willing to exchange those to be prepared. I'm blown away at the thoughtlessness of going into the elements completely unprepared and or untrained.
  • 4 1
 Considering that most people just know emergency first aid, a tourniquet will probably do more good than bad
  • 4 7
 I would take bear protection (bear spray/banger) over the tubes, multi-tool, pump or first aid kit. I don't know why wildlife protection always gets ignored. But it's by far the most important.
  • 2 0
 That's what I was thinking, a little duct tape and some sticks also makes a good splint
  • 15 1
 My goddamn back pack weighs a tonne. Yup a fricken metric tonne. I have enough crap to completely tear down my bike and your bike trail side. I have even more crap than that. I could conduct a heart lung transplant, trail side. Yup I carry a surgical ward. Just in case. Pain killers, sutures, nurses, staples, sterile products, all the crap the patient needs. Phuck is it heavy. Once all that shit is taken care of we need food. No problem, traps, snares, arrows, and debit card (in case we come across a Mickey Ds). However, with all that said my calves are enormous. Highland games caber toss enormous. And phuck are they heavy. But I will not leave a rider stranded trail side, unless they're a complete dick head phuck face a*shole.
  • 3 0
 +1Sith bike!I always take a knife for lost angry dog/hurted animals or something who want to bite me,a kit for snake bitten,and some part of first aid kit.
And off course water and little saw!or more if i want to go digging!Smile
Multi tool,tube,etc are secondary for me!
  • 4 0
 I know I love to find as many sharp, pointy tools and gadgets as possible and strap them to myself anywhere I can because there is nothing like the feel of being impaled on an allen wrench when you could have just had some mild gravel rash.
  • 1 0
 It's not mutualy exclusive. Bandages, breathing mask and gloves take very little place. Everyone should have them on trips
  • 3 0
 I picked up one of those silver space blankets a few years back and keep that in the bottom of my bag now. It was cheap and takes up a quarter the space that a tube would, whilst weighing nearly nothing. Might not be so relevant in warmer climates, but in UK weather conditions, it's something it always pays to have to avoid somebody getting hypothermia on top of any other injuries in a crash.
  • 3 0
 What kind of emergency first aid are you likely to encounter that you can't improvise? jerseys are as good as gause, I always carry some tape wrapped around cardboard for mechanicals and you have to draw the line before carrying around splints, unless its a multi day ride into no-reception-land. Training is fundamental yes, but with training most of a kit can easily be improvised trailside.
  • 1 1
 I always carry a first aid kit, light jacket, headlamp/batteries, spare gloves, a wind proof lighter, a candle & enough energy bars/water to last overnight. Came across a guy last week down on a trail, accident happened around 6PM, by the time SAR got him out it was close to midnight. I ended up using several of the items that I always carry. You just never know. Oh, I always have my SPOT & a cellphone too...
  • 3 0
 @L0rdTom, probably not a problem in your neck of the woods, but in Australia we have some nasty snakes, brown snakes and red belly blacks where I ride, and compression or pressure bandages are a good idea if you're unlucky enough to get bitten and need to immobilise a wound to help stop the spread of venom as soon as possible. So I always carry compression bandages and a field dressing kit.

I've completed my senior first aid course and would feel much better in an emergency situation knowing I have the items at hand rather than fart arsing around trying to come up with a makeshift solution. Sure you might be able to cobble something together, but if someone's been bitten, or impaled on a pine or olive tree branch that hasn't been trimmed properly and is bleeding out, then not only is the rider going to be freaking out, you're going to be freaking out as well...
  • 2 0
 @gnarbar: What exactly do you carry in your first aid kit for a stroke or MI? I agree that a tourniquet might not be my first choice, but I'm curious as to what you carry for those situations.
  • 7 1
 Aside from some reading comprehension issues and a little PB hate, it's great to see that helping people out on the trail is still the spirit of the sport. Wild maybe, but it's a lively debate.
  • 83 8
 I'm amazed at how many people just aren't getting it. The guy was a serial moocher, who was and still is a friend of R.C., and he didn't leave him "stranded" anywhere. The guy had to walk a couple of miles back to his car, certainly not my definition of stranded. Myself, I will ALWAYS stop to help a fellow rider, friend or stranger, and fix their bike, give them a tube, reverse my route to guide out lost riders etc etc. But a serial moocher? Uh-uh. I once gave my spare tube to a guy I rode with frequently who was a notorious mooch. A little farther down the trail I got a flat and Mr. Mooch says, "Dude that sucks, you already gave me your spare, know what are you gonna do?" Then he says, "When I get back home do you want me to call somebody to come give you a ride home?" "Oh, I have a spare", I said. He replied, "It's lucky you brought two". "No, I only brought one. It's in your back tire." Taking it back was not my first thought, but as soon as I realized that the A-hole was going to leave me to walk it out and ride on home using my spare tube, that's exactly what I did. Another time just before a group ride was about to roll out, a friend that was an expert XC racer comes up to me and grills me as to whether or not I was prepared. As soon as he was thoroughly convinced I was he said, "Okay, good. Now I don't have to carry anything" and walks over to his bike and starts stripping of his seatbag and mini pump. I told him he better put that back on his bike, because if he was going to purposely leave his spares & pump at home thinking I was his pack mule and if needed he would just use my stuff, he'd be walking home. If somebody honestly forgets spares? Here, use mine, all day every day. Treat me like a pack mule? I hope it's a nice day for a hike.
  • 9 4
 Hear here! Well said.
  • 4 1
 It's just turned into a game of "spot the serial parasites"!
  • 4 0
 I'm always pack mule when riding with newbs. Fastest rider should have to carry the most. I once had two kids, trailer bike and weeride, and all the food, water and tools. It was the only time they could keep up with me.
  • 3 0
 I share the same opinion Iamwarthog. And what pisses me is hearing those comments like: "damn that's a huge bag, what do you have inside, a spare bike? hahahaha"
And what about those who think spares come from thin air, the ones who assume you are their sponsor or something? They use your tube and "forget" to give you one back or even mention it. I mean, they are cheap but after giving 2 or 3....
  • 3 0
 What I don't get is that it isn't race day when these people want to mooch. I swam competitively and during practice we would wear specially designed suits over our jammers called drag suits. The purpose of this was to make you slower and increase resistance. I see extra weight on recreational bike rides in the same way. The more things you bring with you the heavier you are, but you gain more resistance on uphills along with leverage. Not only that, you can maintain momentum on descents longer with more mass. fuckin weight weenies
  • 30 3
 RC, here's how you should of handled it,
" Dude, I got a tube, you got a couple bucks? or a joint? or buy me a couple beers after the ride."
  • 12 11
 HAHAH! well said^^^
  • 18 4
 cash. grass, or ass nobody rides for free!
  • 1 0
 Giving some one some cash for tube would be the right thing to do. Tubes are stupid expensive now!
  • 11 0
 What would be cool is whipping out the phone w/ Square charge card reader and saying, "VISA, MASTERCARD, DISCOVER". Massive points for being that prepared!!! $25 for a tube and $25 for a CO2 setup is not out of the question when these actions could strand yourself.
  • 2 0
 @will-burr, genius, wonder if I could make a living out of riding trails and selling parts? Talk about a dream job.
  • 6 0
 Then put a bunch of nails on the trail and set up shop.
  • 21 1
 I don't mind sharing a tube here and there on the trail, but have on a few occasions given up my last tube to a friend and then ended up the one walking. I generallly try to live by the principle of "don't be a dick" and this applies to giving to others where ever possible, but also in planning my rides that I'm not going to negatively impact the rides of others looking for some sweet two wheeled relief. I wonder if it's not a bit arrogant to assume other riders need to be taught a lesson and I'm the guy who is going to teach it to them. Looking back on my own history, times I've intentionally left the house unprepared and friends have looked out for me regardless have more influenced my "don't be a dick'edness" and spurred on my desire to be better prepared i nthe future than the times some patronizing douche fails to climb down from his elevated steed (not a comment on wheel size...or is it?... nope...its not) and do me a solid...and is a dick.
  • 12 4
 I'd agree. It's so patronising of the author to think he's in a position to "teach people a lesson." The riding buddy you're too good to lend something to would probably help you out albeit in a different way- just because you carry more stuff than he does doesn't mean you have to be that way Razz
  • 7 0
 It's a touchy subject. I always carry a pack. I feel stupid walking my bike when it has a manageable mechanical issue so I come reasonably well prepared.

If I ride the bike park with no gear then I assume the risks involved with that choice. I would never bother a well-equipped rider who's been carrying that pack all day to save me; that's just rude. I made my choice and I gotta live with a long walk down.
  • 20 0
 Two years ago, (when I had just started riding) I ran into a group of veteran riders that I had met previously, so they knew who I was. During that first encounter, I eagerly promoted the idea of riding together sometime in the future... I must've reeked of newbieness because they never got in touch to ride or returned calls.

Fast forward six months into the future, and I run into them again, out on the trail, with a broken chain... One of them was a prominent LBS shop owner and had no way to fix the chain. I fished out a powerlink and as they fixed the chain I again suggested that we ride together sometime... Several recurring encounters ensued elsewhere. But never any offer of inclusion to ride, despite my good natured attempts at meeting up.

A week ago I run into the same guys, and the shop owner was trying to install a tube into the wheel of the same guy who I gave a powerlink to a year ago. Again, they were all unprepared. Again I saved their ride by providing a wrench to get the presta valve out of the wheel. And once again, they were uber-exclusive and snobby.

My question is this: Why are some mountain bikers such arrogant, superior, douchey pricks? Even after someone helps them like I did twice before? As a whole, I have not found the mountain biking community to be all that friendly or inclusive. It's sad since EVERYONE (even YOU reading this) was a newb at one point.

No worries though, I prob ride harder than they do anyways.
  • 15 2
 One thing I have learned: Stay away from Spandex wearing mountain bikers. From the way you are describing the group, I picture them all wearing spandex.
  • 6 3
 ...and check to see if they're using Strava, if so they're probably a lost cause. Find someone who is a 'real mountain biker' who's out for the love of the ride, the experience and improving skills etc. This is where to build your riding community. I see far more of these where I live, though there is still the occasional person too focused on their segment time to offer a greeting. Sucks to be them.
  • 2 0
 I've seen the same thing. Usually guys who think they are much better riders than they are and are truly painful to have a beer with later. You're better off free and alone.
  • 2 0
 +1 for abzillah. I frequently get passed by the lycra crew while pushing back up and they don't even make eye contact.
  • 1 0
 props
  • 2 0
 F those guys. Find people who want to RIDE with you and appreciate your company. See them needing your help again? Charge them 1000% mark up.
  • 6 0
 I ride with Lycra and use Strava .... but I would actually stop to help ;-)
  • 11 0
 The reason why some mountain bikers are arrogant assholes is because the population of mtn bikers is drawn from the population of the general public. Just cause we are mountain bikers, doesn't mean we are different from others in the grand sense of the word as far as how we interact with others. Some people are assholes, some of those assholes are mountain bikers. But all in all, I find the mountain bike community to be fairly inclusive, especially considering our trails are many times a precious commodity i.e. illegal and in danger of being shutdown if too many people know about them or if a newb gets a serious injury. Try becoming a surfer at a known break, and you will see the height of assholeness...
  • 4 0
 Exactly, there are assholes everywhere. I don't get the strava hate though. I like tracking some stats to look at after my ride, it's fun. I don't give a shit how I do but I definitely enjoy seeing how I stack up. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
  • 2 3
 Strava plus Spandex = Snobby douche...
Thats a fair stereotype...
  • 20 1
 On one side of the coin I carry first aid and have administered it to riders in need. On the flip side I won't hand out a tube to a parasite. One walk home after I gave my tube to a parasite was one walk too many.
  • 15 0
 Caring and sharing is a big part of our sport, and I'd never refuse help to someone who is clearly in need. But, to those who know better; leaving your spares purposefully behind for your own gain is also an acceptance of the consequences of later needing those valuables. If you're happy to ride without spares, be happy to walk back to the car. I'd hate to meet a stranded fresher around the corner and have to tell him I just gave my last tube to an experienced, under prepared rider just a moment ago.
  • 14 0
 Let's be fair, RC both says in the article and again in the comments that this guy had been doing this for a year. He obviously felt he could just get away with it and pack light. It wasn't some random guy he left stranded, it was someone who had no doubt been told to bring stuff when he had previous problems and just didn't bother. I'll help out anyone once or twice, but if I see the same guy time after time begging for bits he'll be told to bring his own. They don't just ruin their ride, they can ruin their mates ride as well.
  • 6 2
 So why not tell the dude in the parking lot that if he hasn't brought the spares and tools for the day, that he either isn't invited along, or must pay for the service if it is required? There's no reason to abandon someone on the trail, ever.

Take Cedric's video semi-recently. I understand that happened while riding, but the point here is more; shit happens. People go on group rides so they can be safe within a group. They can rely on others for parts, advice, first aid, and so on. RC's ego directly impacted this dude's day, and to be fair, the only thing he likely learned is that RC is a cock and not to be trusted. I'm sure if that underhanded move hadn't been made, someone else would have helped him (IT'S THEIR CHOICE, not RC's, who they help) and maybe given him a good lecture.

Point is, there's always a dozen ways to avoid dicking someone like this. RC chose this particular method as he was being vindictive, nothing more.
  • 1 0
 never left anyone in the trail if ridding with slower riders wait them in any open section to check if everything is all right and if you are the slower one check the trail if someone is hurt! and a tube is nothing for sure he would invite the beers/whatever post ride
don't be a trail dick
  • 4 0
 Sherbet,

Reading between the lines it sounds like the guy was told plenty of times. What do you do if you constantly tell them to bring stuff and they constantly don't bother? It sounds like what you suggested was tried and this was the last resort.


You do not rely on others for parts on group rides. Sure, if you only bring 1 or 2 tubes and they both pop, you can have one of mine. Snap your stem? I even have a spare one of those. Turn up for a group ride with nothing? That's fine a couple of times. Do it constantly, for a year, even after you've been told to bring stuff. Not cool at all and you ain't getting my help.
  • 4 3
 I just told you what I would do. I would tell them they are not invited along in the group ride, if I were the lead of it. As the lead, you are responsible for everyone involved, and are not to just send people back because of your ego. Again, RC could have also just rode on and let someone else help. He vindictively lied to the fellow in order to teach him some contrived lesson that purely isn't RC's business to begin with.

Also, bare in mind he lied to EVERY RIDER who went by, to teach someone a lesson. If I wish to help someone, it's my prerogative, not Dick's. I get to choose who I help, not you.

You do rely on others in group rides. That's one of the biggest draws to a group ride. I ride with a fairly large backpack cause I'm a bigger fellow (height, at least) and don't mind being a "pack mule" for my friends. They're my friends. I can carry shit. They don't want to. It doesn't bother me at all. My friends are worth the trouble, y'know? They scratch my back, I scratch there's.

It's not merely about helping or not. RC did one step past that. He REFUSED ANYONE to help him. That's completely vengeful and pathetic. If he is in the mentality of "f*ck Barry, he never brings his stuff" then he can either refuse the fellow the ride for the day, and say if he goes out, he does so at his own peril. He can bar Barry from the group next time if he doesn't show up. etcetcetc. There are ten million better things to do in this situation. RC chose the absolutely least responsible one.
  • 4 0
 You're still assuming that those things haven't happened before and that this wasn't a last resort.
  • 1 3
 No, I just don't care if they've happened before. You're missing my point. There is no reason to leave someone behind on a group ride. Ever. Use your head, I'm sure you can think of several ways of confronting someone without being a vindictive lying arse.

He could tell the guy every day for a year that he needs to bring tubes. He still doesn't get to choose who helps the fellow out. People get to choose who they help. If he's really so pissy about a tube that he's going to screw someone over like that, he needs to take up a less stressful hobby. This is exactly what a molehill to mountain situation is, when you allow/propagate an issue to get to it's worst possible outcome. Worse yet when he blames the other dude. That's pathetic.
  • 1 1
 What Gav-B said.

Its clear this guy was a repeat offender and had been told before (multiples before if you read between the lines), he was not injured nor was he in danger or low on food/water.

What RC did in this case while harsh, is often the way some folk learn. You can coach/teach/negotiate/guide them till your blue in the face, but sometimes the only way is to let them suffer from their own actions.

While a group leader has responsibility Sherbet, he/she can never be responsible for the actions (attitude) of every member of your group (its massively naive to think thats ever possible) and likewise group members should be able to take repsonsiblilty for themselves so they can be a positive influence in the group and not just a drain on it.
  • 12 0
 I always overpack for a race: I bring multiple floor pumps, multiple spare tubes even though I am tubeless, and enough tools to serve a small team. But the majority of my rides are within a 5 mile radius of my front door (benefits of living 5 minutes away from a 15 mile trail system) so there isn't really much point to bringing the whole arsenal out.

That's just biking though, I am as unprepared as can be in the other 10% of life.
  • 2 0
 I'm the same way. If traveling far to ride multiple days, I will bring spare parts and tools just in case parts break on the first day, so we can continue riding the next day. If the ride is closer to home and a long ride, I will take multi-tool, first aid, pump and tube. If the ride is short and/or close to the car, I will not carry anything, because it will be a short walk back to the car.
  • 12 3
 My favorite is all the heros at whistler. Stuck on the side of a trail deep in garbanzo zone or top of the world waisting their day trying to mooch a tube and pump instead of just bring their own! Enjoy the 3000' of vertical. Hiking. Pushing your broken $5000 DH bike. Because your not getting my spares. (Unless you have tits, then....)
  • 3 0
 but so cool to ride in a vest & jeans!!!
  • 6 1
 Whistler is great i get $20 a tube cash only! it's cheaper than hiking for two hours...
  • 1 0
 $20 a tube! I can get em for like ÂŁ2.50!
  • 4 0
 not at the top of whistler, when came u completely unprepared....and they are $10 in whistler village
  • 8 0
 All depends on the ride. When I go trail riding I have tools, tube, pump, zip ties, map, all in a hydration pack. If its a quick evening ride from the house I have a water bottle on the bike plus a tube, co2, and multi tool stashed in my jersey pockets. If I am riding the park or shuttling though, I carry nothing. That's not for style points, its because I can ride better without the weight, and If I'm always heading to the bottom of the park or the shuttle pick up I don't really need to repair in the field.
  • 2 0
 I basically do the same. I prefer to not rude with a pack, not for fashion though, I just don't like a backpack on if I don't need it. If it's a quick ride within a couple miles of my house or where I parked my car I usually just take my chances. If I have to walk so be it. I'll live with the tees off. Longer ride I'll bring a couple tubes, tools, and hand pump in my pack. And I generally do help someone out if they need a tube or some help, even if they should have brought their own. And with DH and park I never wear a pack, again just because I don't like the feeling. If I have to walk down with a flat so be it.
  • 10 2
 Your a bunch of winy babies. He didn't leave them to die. You'd think RC wrote an article on kicking puppies with the ridicoulas hate this is getting. Classic pink biker bitching.
  • 7 0
 I was riding one very hot summer day on this trail by the river. Another rider passed me by and asked me for a sip of water from my bottle. I told him no way! It was hot, the water I had was what I needed and if he was thirsty to go drink water from the river. He called me an asshole, I told him next time come prepared and stop being a mooch.
  • 3 0
 Personally I don't mind helping out fellow riders on the trails, whether it be a flat tyre or a broken chain, a bloody elbow or a sip of water. If I was in that position, I would have let him have a drink, he just wanted a sip. But that's just my opinion, so please don't slag me off about it...
  • 3 1
 Seriously, meningitis.
  • 3 0
 Second that, meningitis. Not to be taken lightly. Who swears at a stranger for not agreeing to swap saliva? F'n gross, pack your own water or man up and stay thirsty!
  • 8 1
 piss poor planning on your part does not necessitate an emergency on mine. i would not ride with losers who chronically come unprepared, and if someone was on the verge of being this kind of parasite, i would say, in front of everyone, this tube will cost you $50- to be paid upon return to the cars- as a shame payment, this money goes directly to beers for everyone else on the ride. no money in the car? interest on this payment will double it for everyday you are late to pay. they can choose to walk back to the cars, or pay up. by establishing that it goes to beers for everyone else in the group, now everyone becomes invested in it, and the parasite must either pay up or face shame. hopefully he doesnt pay up and his ego justifies it to him, which will inevitably direct him away from the group.
i think a lot of the detractors in this comment section are the lazy bastards who dont pack their own shit.
  • 10 0
 Help where help is genuinely needed.
  • 11 2
 if it pisses you off to help people than don't stop in the first place to see what they need. problem solved
  • 8 4
 Exactly. Maybe someone in the group would have been happy to stop and help out and make a new friend in the process. But they rode by because this dickhead was already stopped. I somehow blame Enduro for this nonsense...it's bringing PB down, almost a full notch.
  • 16 14
 Nope. they thought it was funny. He was and still is a close friend.
  • 17 13
 I do not find anything even remotely funny in that story. A thoroughly dick move. I do not keep friends like that.
  • 18 5
 I agree 100% with what you did I was riding my local trails I was on a green trail and a heard of weight weenies on their PG-13 bikes (aka29ers) came like the running of the bulls treating a public park like their own private race course passing me and my 14 year old daughter on Both sides cutting the trail and one if them got a flat farther up the trail and he asked me for a tube because I was wearing a camel back

I looked at him and laughed

Helping someone In need is one thing

But helping an arrogant jerk with poor trail etiquette well I'll leave them stranded every time
  • 9 6
 "They thought it was funny" You sir may have the douchiest riding group in the universe....Watch out John Edwards, these guys want the title!
  • 5 1
 Are you saying that 'Mister Speedy' was your buddy? Because in the article you kind of imply that he is a stranger and that changes things a lot.
  • 6 1
 If you've read the comments above, the rider in question "Mr. Speedy" is a regular of the group, had leeched from other members of the group for over a year (I understand that he didn't carry this stuff in order to BE lighter and faster), and this was his wake up call.

I too have my limits, as one who tends to have the overstocked pack, (I do coach a high school MTB team, so I have a full first aid kit, sam splint, tubes for various wheel sizes, tire/shock pump, food, tools, cables/housing and even a selection of parts) I do get more than a little irked when I come across riders who should know better. It is pretty lame to leave tools, parts, pumps, tubes at home or in the car and then have the gaul to ask someone else who has carried these things this far to bail you out... and not to offer the $5 or tallboy for the tube or master link or section of chain. You've earned the right to walk out. The walk out is also a great time for quiet contemplation, and provides an opportunity for the lesson to sink in, or as many of the comments here seem to indicate, foist the responsibility for your having to walk out on the dick who didn't bail you out of a situation of your own making. Go figure.
  • 6 7
 Arrogant bastards have no place in this sport. Help someone because it's the right thing to do, not because you expect something in return. Or if don't feel like helping a stranded fellow rider just keep going and STFU about it.
  • 8 0
 The whole purpose of DH is to go fast and backpack for a 5-10 min run is more distracting than helpful. But you should definitely have your goods packed in the car if needed.
  • 3 0
 Also some of us are not fashionable enduro/dh racers and still wear body armor, and adding a backpack on top of that is the least comfy thing... Even more when you can walk a few minutes down the hills to get to your car.
  • 1 0
 I ride a backpack full of tubes/tool on top of an armor while DHing and I don't even feel it nor is it slowing me down. Unless you're racing, there is no excuse but if you don't mind walking back to your car, I have no problem with that though.
  • 7 1
 Really REALLY pisses me off when I go riding with the university mtb club and I'm the only person smart enough to bring spares and end up handing them out to every mug there, despite multiple reminders to being spares before the ride. That's one reason I don't bother riding with them any more.
  • 1 0
 Just get a shirt saying "Spare tubes $10" Wink
  • 8 3
 Phuck these whiners Richard. Good for you for doing what apparently needed to be done. Exemplifies what is missing these P.C. days.....consequences!!!!! Good for you for having the guts to teach a lesson. It's nothing to do with self-righteousness. It's correcting what needed to be corrected and being authentic enough to do it. Thank you for ALL your contributions to the sport.
  • 11 7
 Seems like you were just intent on teaching Speedy a lesson. You have no obligation to provide help, but it is fairly petty to prevent others from helping. Sooner or later most of us learn to bring tools, a pump, and tube, however.
  • 27 12
 I always am ready to help, But those guys had been sucking off the group for almost a year. He brought spares from then on... HAHA.
  • 7 2
 I take it this is a sensitive spot, RC? While it may come across a bit harsh, I have to readily agree with you. I am regularly the over prepared one, and the one that is there to get others out of a bind. Tubes might only be a few bucks, a chain link a few more bucks, but overtime it adds up! I'm all for helping introduce new people to the sport and helping them out, but there's always "that one friend" who refuses to bring anything, let alone perform any preventative maintenance to minimize certain occurrences.
  • 6 0
 I usually give them my old spare. The one I know leaks ever so slightly that they still have to walk after a few minutes. This way I gave him something, but he gets what he paid for. They'll learn their lesson.
  • 8 1
 @RC: You should have put that in the story that the guy had been doing that for almost a year, because the way it reads is that you ran into some random dude on the trail with a flat and you said "F*CK YOU!".
  • 3 1
 If they were doing it for that long, then you gotta explain to them they are no longer gonna get support from anyone, and are essentially riding alone at that point. I would also rag on them every chance I got to make them understand my annoyance. If someone is that adamant about riding without any sort of supplies, and it is established ahead of time that nobody is going to loan them a tube or other disposable, then winding up stranded and without a tube or co2 is all on them. If they were that serious about going ultra light, the least people should carry on a group ride is a tube and maybe some co2. Tools and pumps should be shared regardless, but loaning tubes and co2 to the same rider can get old really fast if it is clearly being abused.
  • 1 0
 I read it the way it is, a guy from 'the group' doing it over and over, I agree with RC leaving him on the trail, some people don't learn. This world of ours has been dumbed down to the lowest common denominator where the least prepared or laziest (insert your word here), in any situation in life is where others are forced to lower themselves to, leaving him is a good lesson. Everyone should have a couple of tubes, repair kit, tyre (tire if not in NZ!) boot etc. I've given plenty of tubes to randoms on the trail, but mates in our riding group who have been told time and again get to walk, then they come prepared. The comments about karma and broken legs etc, you people need to grow up, that's a different situation altogether.
  • 4 0
 "But those guys had been sucking off the group for almost a year." -Richard Cunningham.
  • 4 0
 I use the patchkit for broken down riders....save the tube for myself. I've actually come across people so lazy that when i offer them the patch kit they say they would rather just walk. Idiots. or perhaps they don't know how to use one. Patch kit doesnt take up much room. And definately some first aid stuff!!
  • 4 0
 This is how I roll also, I always carry a tube and a repair kit. Although in my 20 years of riding I've never come across someone who was in need of help - I guess we as New Zealanders have it drilled into us from kids that you need to be prepared if you're heading out into the bush..?
  • 12 1
 "I guess we as New Zealanders have it drilled into us from kids that you need to be prepared if you're heading out into the bush..?"

I'm.... Not... 12... Must.... Fight.... Innuendo....

:-)
  • 5 1
 Don't let the Internet rants bother you RC. You wrote about something we all come across. Not saying I agree to leave someone stranded, but your article may make people make choose to take their tube instead of leaving it in the truck. That's probably a good thing. Writing on Pinkbike is all about getting people talking, right? Well you have!
  • 4 0
 I always carry a pack with tubes tools pump and other essentials and would help anyone. One day on a local loop I stopped for a breather and this guy came past, I said hi, all I got back was a nasty look. I then set off a thought ...what a bellend. Three quarters into the loop I came across the same guy, bike upside down with him fumbling around. I'm not sure he had the required tools but I thought... nah I'm not helping that twat. It was only 3 mile from the car park so Wouldn't of been that bad a walk back. Manners cost nothing in my book.
  • 4 0
 Some of us here are missing the point, there is a difference between helping a rider with an injury and helping a rider with a mechanical, I will 100 percent stop and help an injured runner or rider and so should all of you. Now on to the main topic, Hell No! I'm not giving any one my gear, if I can take the time to buy and pack my repair kit so can you, Now let's say I ride upon a cat with a flat or busted chain and give this cat my spare or whatever and lets say 30 minutes in I bust a tire or chain Now I'm screwed. Pack your own repair kit and be cool and get Respect from your fellow riders by showing them you got your shit together. Here's what I carry In a small pouch under my saddle: multitool, tire patches, tire lever, co2, chain links, chain tool and In my pocket one pack of Quick Clot.
  • 7 3
 This article was needed thank you!
This is my everyday ride kit that I carry
in my dakine amp hydration pack

Not light but I always feel comfortable I can take care of my self.
I ride alone a lot..
goretex ultralight jacket
glasses
a fleece helmet liner
Pump
Tube
Nytril gloves 2 prs
ÂĽ roll of TP
multi tool
power link tool
patch kit
zip ties
first aid kit with space blanket etc
shock pump
power gummies
builders bar
handwamers chemical kind
lighter
3oz Nalgene bottle of fireball…
water of course
q energy 2 sleeves
my Iphone and gps
  • 5 0
 1/4 roll of TP and 3oz of Fireball is all I ever carry with me. Best way to make friends in all situations...
  • 2 0
 They are both infinitely valuable when neededSmile
  • 5 0
 Basics in the camelback - tubes, pump, multitools and zip ties. Shoebox full of parts and tools back at the car. Prepared for pretty much anything Big Grin
  • 5 2
 you are the man RC. i would do the same thing. the guys from avalanche taught me well...to well now i am a mech at a shop...i hate mechanical issues, am always preped, and still pretty quick. suck it u parasites BUY your own stuff.
  • 3 0
 I'm on the fence here. I ride prepared, as do the guys I ride with, so I haven't ever had to give away any spares to companions on the trail. I also haven't had to stop for a broke down random on the trail just yet. I have, however, stopped for a severely injured rider even when he had buddies with him.

I'm a firm believer in karma, and I'll help when I can. Having said that, I would have no compunction about leaving a leach to walk if he was a persistent abuser of the group's more prepared members. I pack along what I need, and I think anyone that's going to trail ride should too. Gloves, helmet, water, food, tools: all are necessities, not optional equipment. Is my pack heavier than I like? Yup. Do I have to worry about being a burden on my ride mates? Nope.
  • 3 0
 I always at Least ask if a stopped rider has a handle on things and will help is needed. I would never ride off into the sunset and leave them. But what does piss me off is when you've helped out a rider and they don't offer to replace the tube/power link/cable etc. I'm not made of feckin money and you've just used a spare that I may need and will have to pay money to replace for my next ride. And for those that do it regularly I make a point of saying "your welcome, get me a replacement when you get back"
  • 3 0
 Blame STRAVA. I think too many people are reading the comments then jumping on the RC hate bandwagon, The guy he left to walk back had been doing this for quite some time, it sounds as though the only time he is a team player is at the start of the ride then he blast's on down the trail out of sight because he rides light, why should one member of the group get special treatment while the rest come prepared and carry the extra weight of tools and spares needed for a long ride in the wilderness. Yes mountain biking is seen as a very friendly sport but I personally hate egotistical dicks who turn up with no spares expecting everyone else to bail them out because no one else has reached that higher state of biking where your inferiors have to be your mules. 'let the twat walk back to the car.!' the least the guy could do would be take a multitool, puncture kits and some co2 or a mini pump.
  • 1 0
 Amen !!! to that seems all the Damm complaints come from those that dont carry $hit lol and all that do are backing up some angle that RC threw out on this Post that was his way off payback to a freind that has been doing this on the regular
  • 3 0
 It always seems to be the same people in our group who turn up for a full days ride with f*ck all in there backpack ,don't mind helping out folk once or twice but some people constantly take the piss ! And its usually the same people who take the bike out the car then declare that they just need to sort there gears out that we have all heard skipping and crunching for the last month ! Rant over !
  • 4 1
 Some of you guys are making the name of this site look bad. Dispute the delivery, his methodology, the specifics, but how is RC so wrong? He did say it was the same guys who were laughingly not carrying there own gear and depending on others to do so. Actually, to me, its a pretty embarrassing commentary how many so called "mountain bikers" posting comments here think he is so wrong. You should absolutely help others in need, however many times and however you can. But newbies, the incapable or unfortunate aside, clearly its about thinking like a boy and not wanting to take care of yourself or thinking like a man who faces responsibilities in making a decision and doesn't depend on others to do so. At some point you are empowering the chronic parasites. Some guys wont ever get it or get it and think its funny and "a-hole" applies. Really this is a political and philosophical discussion/rant: who is paying to sew you knuckleheads up when you fall down? Or taking care of the trails, or even helping get the trails approved in the first place? Are your parents still paying for your gear and driving you to go for a ride? Wear some pants!
  • 3 0
 There are actually three types of broken down riders....1 the weight weeny who feels unashamed to bum off his fellow trail rider, will happily scoff on my energy bar and dried fruit while he ponders were else he can save weight. His the guy that flys past you on a climb in glee while you carrying your Enduro or trail bike with all the needed repair tools etc. 2 rider two is the guy equipped but genuinely is stuck because he forgot to buy another tube after loaning his out the previous week to a weight weenie chop and now his stuck or just genuinely forgot a tool behind. 3. The novice who really believes mountain bikes are like road bikes and only requires a mini tool kit and some patches and glue. I can forgive him as his in the learning curve and so too number 2 because its not intentional. Back to number one....I have no remorse in making him walk back to his car 10 miles away in his light weight weenie stiletto carbon fibre shoes....offering him assistance will only make him rely on guys like us.
  • 3 0
 Late one day, I was riding back home. Got stopped by a couple with a flat tire. Gladly proposed to help them.
Discover my pump was a busted piece of shit. Struggled 15 - 20 min to not even managed to get their tire inflated ... Note to myself , buy a new pump. Then they told me it's no bid deal their car was like 200m away ...
Ahem.
Ok, back on trail in the woods, was getting dark. Very dark. Very very dark. Didn't see a big fat log. Crashed, got empalled on my handlebar, cracked my sternum. f*ck that hurts! Could not breathe ...
Took time to get back painfully on the bike and hit home.
1st reaction: got injured because I helped two riders that did not need it... Parasites!
2nd reaction: would not have happened should I've had a good pump and a good light.

Anyway, I will probably always help. I've never needed help, but I'll be happy to get some the day I need it. Never rode with serial parasites though.
  • 1 0
 LMAO well good karma will swing your way like i always say someday someone will repay u when ur sled is down and might have the right tool etc.. that u might not have on Deck but yeah i tend to sometimes ride with that SERIAL PARASITE but do make that person buy me lunch or Beer as to not F-in up the rest of the ride or Trip well like we say in L.A. " dont trip chocolate chip " as long as that SEROIAL P' pays his dues at end of the ride or trip im kool but its still annoying when it does happen on the regular
  • 3 0
 RC kind of opened up a can of dickwaddery worms right here. easy to accuse him of being nasty. BUT unprepared people ruin rides. inexperience is one thing (they'll learn, listen, or drop out). ignorance and going deep into the bush unprepared is a major fail. I had one rule for my riding group. no drama, no losers, no bums/scroungers, and everyone organized prepared and trail ready. win for everyone and epic hassle free days on the trail. problems, usually from others or randoms. I'd never leave
someone stranded in the bush, but there are too many crybaby fails in the sport and too many vest wearing heroes who are too broke/lazy/stupid/ inconsiderate. not talking about local quick rips, but in the deep backcountry, shit gets serious real quick. my 2c
  • 3 1
 OK...not wearing a fanny pack and it has nothing to do with being prepared. I am prepared but I carry spare tubes, tools and food in my camelback and would gladly help out any fellow rider on the trail regardless of their preparedness or their skill level.
  • 2 0
 I hate carrying on the trail, but more often than not I am option 2, always have a multitool in my pocket.
if i'm on the DH bike, it will be the multitool and nothing else, unlikely to be able to fix a breakage but if something works loose or i need to adjust i have enough to be able to do it trackside.
If i'm on a long ride on the small bike, along with the multi tool, i'll carry a backpack with pump/tire levers/repair kit, selection of cable ties, small role of black electrical tape, adjustable spanner and possibly a chaintool, I dont tend to carry spare parts but with those tools i'll be able to sort out most non terminal issues.

I dont rely on other people on the trail and if damage is terminal then i'll just sack it and hike back to the car.
  • 7 3
 Great story R.C........tough love is where its at. For all you bleeding hearts do you think Mister Speedy ever hit the trail again without bringing a tube and pump??
  • 2 0
 I ride close enough to home that it's not worth it to carry most stuff - though I probably should get a necessities pack together anyway. The only time I've broken down on the trail and had to walk back it was something I couldn't have fixed trailside anyway. Regardless, I'd never, ever think of asking to borrow something I'd failed to bring myself.
  • 5 2
 you pulled over said you could help and then bailed?



ok rc you just lost me buddie, you are officially an assole...


and i have thought you were pretty cool since about 1990...
  • 4 2
 I love seeing how people are getting all fired up. Do ANY of you know the FULL story?
No.
So the only thing you can get all angry about is the fact that the article could have been clearer...

Either way, just be prepared, assume the risks you take if you aren't, and help people who forget their spares IMO
  • 1 1
 Do we know the whole story? We know the story that was told to us from a first person POV...So either RC is a dick, or he is not a good writer that withholds pertinent information in a column.

Something tells me that he would rather be known as a dick.

But IMO, the only dick move was waving by anyone who might have helped Mr. Speedy past and then leaving him. But whatever, the guy had a nice walk back, it's not like he left him bleeding or something. It is very low down on the dick move scale, especially among the things I have witnessed and (disclaimer) taken part in.
  • 3 1
 WOW, I didn't know the readers of PB were so politically correct and so supposedly helpful in their lifes, yet so clueless on why RC wrote this article. First off he is 'reporter' of sorts for PB so it's his job to write an article that lights a fire under you collective dumb-asses Do you guys have any idea how much RC rides/ridden? He has prob came across this situation tons and tons and tons of times during his time at MBA and now at PB, and just as people do in life when you keep running into ill-prepared people, you have to draw a line. Saying RC is a douche, a dick head, an old fuddy duddy(funny) oh and don't forget Jerk...and all that because he "left someone"..... he didn't leave the guy, he made him walk out....is that so bad? I guarantee that every ride RC goes on people KNOW he is the one to go to for spares or help...fack that....People these days are so un-pro about life and just being prepared for what may happen. And then like all you guys who wrote comments against RC, you/people whine and say your a jerk because you didn't help someone.....am I here to help you?...No I'm here to ride and I'm prepared your not...can't wait to see what these PB users will do when shit hits the fan in the world and they have to fight for food or water.....losers....what we call "un-pro in life"
  • 1 0
 true That Player , dont go to WAR without a Rife and expect me to hand u mine LOL Tough LOve sometimes some pepz need to learn to carry some stuff on thier back and stop being LEECHES
  • 2 0
 THANK YOU!!!!! I'm too annoyed with the whiners to type as eloquently as you. Thank you!
  • 2 0
 Wow there's a lot of seriously thick comments about this article. This trail-side incident is pretty normal compared to some of the stuff I've seen on the trail - guys can get pretty rough out there. Most people are cool but i've seen some really cold shoulders - and its usually from guys like Richard gave the lesson to.
  • 2 0
 My bag is fully stocked even with extra bolts, shock pump, tape, ect and I always encourage others to carry spares with them. I try to help everyone, but after rereading the article, I realize that the dude you told to walk, was a guy you regularly rode with. I can see doing the same thing in this situation...
  • 2 0
 What I find funny is everyone talking shinto like RC did it to someone that was just in a random jam. I'm sure he's like most people and would/has been the first to offer assistance to someone that needed help. But this was the umpteenth time for this guy. If anyone faults him for blowing the guy off, they've got rocks in their head. Not only was this wanker taking advantage of others, he wouldn't be ready to help others that needed the same as he'd received. This makes them a double dick.
  • 2 0
 Call me an ass, I may be. One week in Moab I gave out 4 tubes and 5 C02s what 45.00 USD? Sunscreen borrow a tool water.. no problem. But, if you can't pull out cash I am not giving a person 10 bucks because they are not prepared. My little fanny bag has tools a tube or two roll gauze and some of that mini crinkle tape as well as bandaids. The first aid stuff and help with your bike is free to any rider; the other stuff that costs $ nope. Have fun with that $4k bike your hike and those clip in shoes not designed for walking.
  • 2 0
 I don't think Rc did any thing wrong I would do the same and I would not expect any one to supply me with tubes or tools if I did not prepare and neither should you guys and he did not leave them stranded they have legs they can walk.
  • 2 0
 I guide groups of people so carry more than I should knowing this is somewhat a frequent occurrence. However as a guide its my duty of care to ensure they get back safely but still enjoy our venture. So I kind of agree with Richard here. If I were to use my spares for a non party member, then need them spares for my group and the same random caught me up asking for more, I would take him to one side and explain to f-off. However if im on my own rides or with friends I do stop and help people when I see them, iv done all sorts of jobs on the side of the trail for people, usually inexperienced peoole having a go,, I want them to leave thinking mountain biking is a very helpfull with a good atmosphere. Each to their own.
  • 2 0
 Wow, I understand a person getting tired of helping out riders that perpetually mooch off others. I also get u saying no I don't want to help or give you my tubes. A person that perpetually begs for tools or tubes is a guy I wouldn't call for a ride, but I am appalled that you would make your decision to leave this Mr. Speedy behind for everyone else in the group. I don't know u personally, but if a guy I ride with pulled the move you did. You would be the first person I would stop calling for a ride.
  • 2 0
 I have 4 daugthers who do mountain bike, until recently they were always with me and where covered by my stuff. Well they grow up and I just taught them how to change a flat and made them 2 basic repair kits in a small (dare I say it) fannypack. They have to grab one for the ride to be self sufficient not having to wait for other and be stuck in the wood.

Beside they have to carry a phone so Dad can fly to rescue....

as for the parasite, I won't let anybody helpless on a trail but a KNOWN repeating offender whose only risk is a walk to the parking.... I'll do the same as Richard
  • 3 1
 Pump, shock pump, tubes, patch kit, multi tool, cable ties, flash light (small one mind), first aid kit, water proof, maps, power links, whistle, water, food and probably other stuff. Can't say I under pack!

Can't say I've ever left someone hanging either, no matter how stupid they've been. Three hours ride into the Yorkshire Moors (or the Lake District, Highlands etc) is not a good place to be stuck when the weather turns, especially if you're not prepared. That can end in a call to Mountain Rescue or worse, wouldn't want it on my head for sake of a chain link or a tube.
  • 2 0
 I'm that kind of dude that always carried extra tools and spares to help people, but one day I realized that I had a year without using any spare or tool and I realized too that I went to buy twice a month spares from my lbs, and that day... was the day that for sharing my tools and spares I got in middle of nowhere alone and without tools and tubes.

Sorry dudes no more cool sharing dude here. Frown
  • 4 0
 "DH riders ... risk the walk of shame down the mountain". No problem with that. I just ride down the whole mountain on a flat tyre.
  • 1 0
 thats stride of pride!
  • 1 0
 I did somethng similar in the past. But I don't think I'd do it again with my shiny new Crossmax wheelset.
  • 2 0
 I change my tires or rims before I get a flat, and I live and ride in the Rocky Mountains and Moab, the more technical the trail the better. Tubeless is the way. I would help, but I don't remember how tubes work, its been so long. Get with the times and technology, that problem has been solved.
  • 2 0
 This actually hits home for me right now. I went on a ride today with my wife's big boss' husband. Basically the VP's husband. He was showing me a new trail network, as we have just moved to the area. He is a ripper, and while mashing on the pedals on the climb up I popped a link on my chain. Well luckily, I had a multi tool with a chain tool on it, we fixed it without too much incident and we had an awesome day riding. The guy is super cool, good rider, and hopefully he had a good impression of me that passes off on my wife. Now...if I had popped a chain on the climb up, within 10 minutes of starting out...and had not had a chain tool, then I would have looked like an idiot, my wife would be married to an idiot, and this guy would have certainly reported back to the VP. So there you go, don't look like an idiot, bring your own tools and tubes...
  • 4 1
 I'm going to go ahead and vote for the second to last option for those certain riders i know who will never admit to being shameless parasites.
  • 1 0
 amen brotha
  • 1 0
 must admit I found myself with a saggy rear shock and had to beg a shock pump a few miles into gisburn forest the other day but normally I'm well over stocked on spares. Brake pads, chain links, m6 allen bolts, chainring bolts, leccy tape, mech hanger, tube, pump, patches/glue, multi-tool and a jockey wheel in my tool kit. Not very often I get caught out.
  • 4 0
 c'mon Richard haven't you read Matt moaning about enduro???
No Fanny packs!!! you shouldn't even show a picture of one.
  • 3 0
 I find it funny that he said "North American" riders... I don't like fanny packs but I really don't like us Americans getting picked on Wink
  • 1 1
 You should check out John Cardiel pro model fanny pack made by Chrome. It's made in the good ol' US of A and it's pretty sweet. It will change your mind about fannies.

www.chromeindustries.com/us/en/familia/john-cardiel
  • 3 0
 Be prepared because nothing pisses you off more than when your friend uses your spare tube and your tubeless setup fails at the furthest point from the car.
  • 5 0
 That's when you switch bikes and continue on riding your friends bike with your tube and he gets to push yours back.
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 Trust someone else with MY BIKE!?
  • 2 0
 To push it back? Why not.
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 I haven't got any friends !
  • 1 0
 Tube, pump, multi tool with chain breaker bare minimum, no matter what you're riding. I usually keep them in my bag though, which gets left in the bushes or within site if I'm riding DH or park, obviously they get taken with me if I'm going from A to B If I'm racing literally all the tools and spares I own come with me, plus duct tape and wd-40
  • 11 7
 I usually like articles from ole Richard. Getting to see what type of person he really is now...
  • 5 4
 One article is far from a summation of an entire person. Maybe he's in a shitty mood -- I get that way sometimes.
  • 4 3
 one stunt like he pulled is enough summation for me to never chill with that dude again. just because you are in a shitty mood doesn't mean you have to take it out on others
  • 4 1
 Wow, you guys are unbelievable....
  • 9 3
 Bitch move RC.
  • 3 0
 I also bring a basic first aid kit with space blanket. Had to use it on Slick Rock earlier this month to repair a serious pedal gash.
  • 1 0
 Aside from the usual tools and spares I also carry a very basic zip lock bag with some first aid supplies. Just an eye patch and some adhesive patches and tape and nitrile gloves. It packs flat and fits in with the bladder of my camelbak and literally weighs 30grams. Remember that the first aid tape and patches come in handy if you tear a Tyre too. I had a mate stack it on the trail and had to watch him bleed for an hour from an eyebrow gash and not one of the 30 people who passed had a kit. Lesson learned.
  • 6 5
 I can understand the desire to 'teach someone a lesson', but leaving a fellow rider stranded on a trail won't do shit for the unity of our sport, and it's a mean move -- no matter how 'parasite' y person is.

If you don't like riding with them because they're a leech, don't invite them. But waving people past and then ditching a fellow rider isn't what MTB is about. Maybe he couldn't afford an extra tube. Maybe he doesn't have a fancy small pack and feels embarrassed about bringing his ski pack on a ride; maybe he doesn't have extra tools at all and is purely dependent on those around him because he does other stuff.

I usually like your articles RC, but publishing this crap about treating fellow members of the MTB community cruelly fosters ZERO friendliness in anyone looking to get into the sport and only creates fear of rejection and awfulness.

Maybe instead of giving that 'parasite' a piece of your mind and the big 'f*ck you', you could have helped him out and been a bit compassionate while using the time helping him to help him also understand the importance of self-sufficiency.
  • 2 0
 He rode with this guy more then once... I am sure this guy (Mr. Speedy) had done this before?? It was a trail ride RC was leading, and he made the call to put a stop to the mooching.
Oh, and all you punks calling him old, grouchy, ect, grow up. Maybe some day you will have grey hair and a job riding bikes and writing about bikes, instead of working at McDonalds.
  • 1 0
 I am always prepared. The only time i was screwed was riding a 12 mile DH trail. I was corning and then all of sudden my rear tire was skidding, somehow my Maxxis Minion tire bead came out of the tire into my spokes! i was in the middle of the pack, 4 riders passed me looking at me on the side and not one of them stopped!! I had to drag my bike with no rear tire over rocks the rest of the way. i had to walk about 5-6 miles back, did not see anyone the whole time. 4 hours later got to the road where we all parked and all the trucks were gone. the next time i saw of of them (which they own/operate a shop in utah) they tried to say they went looking for me, but i never saw/heard from anyone on my walk back. long story... i eventually stopped riding with them and moved to socal and have found so many cool people to ride with!
  • 2 0
 Now THAT sucks.

Note to self: pack GMRS radio in Camelbak as backup to the cell phone.
  • 3 2
 I only normally carry my wallet and phone i only seem.to get problems once or so a year riding 3 times a week am i realy a parisite when i do get a flat i will happily and alwase take the spair tube and pump from the good person and they alwase seem happy when i hand them back the pump and 15 quid for there trouble
  • 4 3
 I now do the same thing as RC, You have $10 for me to help you out...NO...then piss off you twit. Carry your own sh*t you lazy....!
I have no time for the wan'a be's, some one who really needs help yes I will help but for the cool dude or shall I say dud, walk home.
  • 1 0
 problem is that $10 bill won't patch your tire when YOU need it. Smile
  • 1 0
 I always carry a tube AND patches when out. Had a bad day when I wrote the message as to why I sounded pissy.
  • 1 0
 you didn't sound pissy, you sounded like some one with a clear head. Not one full of butterflies and fairy dust. Smile
  • 3 2
 Was this article peer reviewed? Who did the research here and got those numbers? I say, it's personal preference and depends on the type of riding and whether or not the circumstances you will face if an accident were to occur. I broke my scafoid one day riding DH (broken hand, forks blew out mid jump takeoff, fast crash) and my friends were behind, asked me how was I, then kept riding and said they will pass me on the next run. They never passed me, I hobbled out dragging the DH rig and drove myself to hospital. All depends how determined you are in the face of adversity in surviving.
  • 1 0
 I don't mind giving people tubes here and there but being 16 and only earning ÂŁ5 P\H I don't have the money to hand out ÂŁ3 of tubes for people every time I ride and that doesn't include tubes I might use, me and my friends always organise to bring at least on tool each weather that be chain tool or pump on of us has something g that'll fix most things on a bike, but I certainly agree with many of the people on here about trail karma I'd help anyone out even if the fella was only 20 mins from his car for me to give him a pump some patches and 10 mins of my time is nothing out of my life butif I did go out and had forgotten tubes I hope the guy would do the same as me.
Now I don't think its right to intentially go out and think you should just expect people to give you their tubes or chain links but if someone's fongotton, well give them the benefit of the doubt and make sure they enjoy the rest of their ride
  • 1 0
 Is there a particular reason as to why nobody takes a puncture repair kit? I usually carry my multitool and tube, but I also carry a puncture repair kit as well. It is just about as heavy as a second tube, and fixes a lot more punctures than just one. Fixing a puncture takes me only couple extra minutes as opposed to just changing the tube. This way, unless I get a dozen flats, I can always get back.... And if all else fails I usually carry a few strands of duct-tape. And yes I have fixed a massive tare with it..
  • 2 0
 Where's the selection "I'm generally prepared with all the right accessories but forget them in the car" and "if incident occurs I rely on my friends but repay them in beers" ...
  • 2 0
 Always carry a spare tube, pump, multi tool, and first aid kit. But, the most important thing to keep on standby is some toilet paper in a zip lock bag, try wiping your ass with a spare tube.
  • 2 0
 Use your socks.
  • 1 0
 or sleeve Big Grin
  • 2 0
 rabbit fur......
  • 1 0
 I feel like people love to give Cunningham a hard time on here, if the author of this article was Maine or Levy I think there would be quite a few who are condemning Cunningham for leaving the guy on trail who would be laughing it up and giving props to them for teaching the guy a lesson
  • 2 0
 Always prepared with a tool, pump and 2 spare tubes, if I do not know how to dosomething I ask for help, ciclist are always there for other ciclist. nice community I am proud being of.
  • 1 0
 As an absolute Newb I took my brand spanka out to the local bike park this morning and despite having tubeless setup I slashed both tyres 3k's in. Luckily it was rude o'clock so there was no one there to witness my walk of shame. An hour later I was back with two new tyres, a pump and a spare tube.
  • 1 0
 Always carry a multitool with chaintool and shockpump, sram powerlink, pump, 1m of gaffer tape wrapped round part of an old pen, or cocktail stick, couple of cable ties, tube, instant patch kit with tyre boot, and a penknife. All but the pump (frame mounted) and tube (under the saddle using a toe strap from a road/track bike) fit into a ziplok waterproof phone case.

It also means whatever bike I go out on, the kit is ready to go. Yes, it means I have more hand pumps than most, but it means the bikes are ready to go whatever type of riding I feel like.
  • 1 0
 If within walking distance of the car then it's usually water only. If not then I always carry multi tool, pump, tube/patch kit. When shuttling downhill I don't see the need to carry tools. Most runs where I live are a few
Minutes to the bottom. All tools can be kept in the car
  • 2 1
 Bit of a poor call PB , we all experience those who bum stuff off others and are poorly prepared but two wrongs dont make a right. You should never leave anyone stuck for a nultitude of reasons. Say the poorly organised person is diabetic and missed his food or jag as he is so poorly organised and has not accounted for a long walk home. This could be the start of a far bigger problem. Never l eave people stuck if you can help. If you dont want to then maybe others there would of. I know you are trying to say but there are better ways to get your point accross. Ways that might not have huge consiquinces. Better to teach the young and old good trail manners and set an example
  • 1 2
 Bollocks.
  • 1 1
 everyone is entitled to their own opinion fella.
  • 1 1
 Is that reply meant to be ironic?
  • 1 0
 i always bring with me a Leatherman pliers, bike multitool, a tube with levers, oil for chain just in case of muddy days, pump and electrical plastic binder. Just today i got almost a flat tire, but fortunately the sealing inside the tire did his job perfectly!!!!!
  • 1 0
 Im usually the most prepared in the group, both in spares/tools and know how, so much that some riding buddies insist on me being around on long epics through the jungle. Im ok with that, and try to teach these dudes the basics. Its good to rack up the good karma. You'll never know when you go on a ride, realize you forgot to pack a tube or tool in your pack and get a flat or mechanical, and you have to rely on others. God knows I have.
  • 1 0
 carrying a pack is cool but there is no reason every member of your group needs to have there own tools if someone in the pack already has tools it is just considered extra weight, also when your ripen it shredding berms and jumping gaps having a camelback full of water tools snacks tubes... you cant ride the same, even with the extra waist strap and chest strap it flops around. Personally I think its a better idea if you ride with friends to switch off, one day u can hold the tools while your buddy has fun and the next time he does the same for you. Also this guy r c who wrote the article is a POS
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 Rc is a legend in mtb community dude. Just carry your own shit and don't be such a baby.
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 Fuc that man i ride solo sometimes in the forest and i always carry at least a tube always have a huge patch kit on me with plenty of glue for the Parasite's to use i will pull out my tube but denie the chance of them having that i say that for me incase im in your shoes since u got $hit but water and a power bar take the glue heres some patches find a rock to sand down ur tube cuz i dont have a sandpapper for u either hope u got a pump cuz i got to go get me FIX on the trail cuz im SUCKA FREE see u at the bottom while i have some coold beer on my right hand and some fire on the left LMAO carry ur own $hit its like going to a GUN Fight with a Knife
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 So now just because I live in North America I'm supposed to wear a fanny pack? Pretty sure that South American's get flats too. I'd rather drag a bike out of the woods than be all self righteous with a little fanny pack.
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 Ha ha ha finally riding a 29er with a bunch 26" unprepared guys pays off from the ribbing I got when I converted so many years ago!

I always have tubes and stuff for MY bike and it's problems... Funny how I always make it out without giving my tube away also... Does that say something about the type of rider on a 29er? possibly... Are they more prepared because asking for a different wheel size tube is harder than expecting everyone to carry an extra for them. Does it speak to experience or is it blind luck? Hard to say..

As far as firstaid gear I will offer my career paramedic experience and equipment/medications in cases where it will actually make a life saving difference like someone going into shock with a broken leg or having an allergic reaction. But I will mutter something about hardening up as I ride by if someone is begging for a gauze pad and band aids.

Am I harsh? I don't think so, I wouldn't even think of asking for stuff from someone else unless it was a multi flat kind day. But even then sometimes you just have to suck it up and walkout. I have plenty of ridding buddies with no knowledge but they bring their own repair equipment.. I will help them and teach them some tricks even because everyone deserves to learn from a seasoned expert. No tools, no tube, and no knowledge will keep walking if I pass them on a trail.
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 I just got into riding and I would not even go out on the trail without having an extra tube and pump. I got my first flat yesterday it was about 1/4 mile from where I was parked so I took the walk of shame out and loaded up and just fixed my tire when I got home.
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 I carry everything that could be needed on the trail and always have a small stash of money in a baggy in case I need to beg something off other riders. Riding by and telling him you're not going to let him mooch anymore is one thing, to mislead him and everybody else that you were helping and then leave him? That's just low.
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 as far as I'm concerned to call other riders a parasite is a statement that should have people looking in there own back yard I have helped other riders before on the trail and did not mind helping out its time we start looking at how society has got us all to self involved and not caring about the fact that we are all there for the same reason to have fun in a sport we enjoy !
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 I'm with you RC. Got a mate, very fast rider, but forever scabbing off others (mainly flat tyres and flat batteries!). Tried to stop helping him out to teach him a lesson a couple of times, but there's always someone else who does. And so the behaviour continues......
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 They were the fast guys, so when either had a flat or a mechanical, they could count on getting assistance from a slower rider coming up from behind.

Spot on!

And IF you help that guy, eve by giving him the lecture, he won't get it! Next time he won’t either be ashamed to stop you!

So what to do?
Simple you estimate the situation.

-If it is “one of those idiots” keep on going. This one has a habit of avoiding to be responsible. He has to learn.
-If it is a newby or something unexpected / unplanned, then by all means do help.


But here, after the help, comes the second phase (more testing):

-Did he/she learned?
-Will the helped return the spare tube?

In my experience, all those years, only friends returned spare tubes. All the rest just disappeared. Sometimes I meet one of them, but they seem to have forgotten, so no spare tube back!

Ha!

I still cannot get all that hatred from various big headed sports. What’s the story here. Are you going to keep on ridding WITHOUT spare tubes, pump and tools (never returning the spare tube that was offered to you)?
When are you going to learn?
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 Jeez, how hard is it to take some patches (zefal make some that you don't even have to glue, you don't even have to take the wheel out) and a multi tool? First aid basic kit is, potentially, more important than any other item.
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 I have a small frame bag (weighs about 3 pounds) and waterbottle for short rides, but if we are going to be out for more than an hour, I have a pack and am equipped to fix most things, administer first aid or even spend the night in the woods. and most of my riding buddies are similarly equipped.

If you get back to the car with less than half your water supply left, you didnt bring enough!
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 Great story R.C. I ride with large groups all the time and everyone always brings their own stuff. We also teach new riders in our area on certain days (usually every Saturday)and help them when they need it. We provide a sweeper during each ride to insure all riders make it back. When the new riders return for the next ride they usually return prepared. We also teach them trail etiquette which helps out everyone using the trails. All the park maintained trails in our local spot (Annadel State Park) are open to bikes except one small one (that isn't any fun to ride on anyways Wink ...) Unlike down in Marin at Mt. Tam. where mountain biking began. All of the good trails are illegal there. Mostly due to riders that think they can do what ever they want (usually young kitted out DH riders). We also work with the High School leagues and teach them the same etiquette. We let them know what can happen if they ride like little Richards.
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 ummm...to say that the reason mtn biking is illegal in Marin is because of the actions of kitted out DH riders, is to bypass 25 years of history of land management by equestrian council members. Not to mention the SF lawyers and bankers that live in marin, ride $9000 bikes and think that they are too important to care about some dumb hiker, or if their Gu wrapper falls on the trail. But even more than them, or the dh ktted out riders, its because of the insanely ignorant and willfully stagnant land management by Marin Municipal Water District, and this new "general" for state parks isn't helping much either...

Trail access in Marin is not limited because people don't bring tubes on rides...

Your comment comes off like a holier than thou, we are better than all of you, and this type of thing would never happen up in "Annadel" (said with a pinky out and in a nasaly voice)
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 Take it how you want. Just don't be a dick to people that don't ride ...
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 This happened in Marin 15 minutes from Mt. Tam. Young riders with no respect...

www.marinij.com/ci_23515305/novato-horse-riders-thrown-injured-after-run-illegal
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 That was actually found to be some local kids on bmx bikes. Not mountain bikers, just dumb kids out riding their bike. And like I said, mtn biking has been illegal in Marin for a lot longer than since this incident. I used to live in Novato... I think you need to re-read the article. It was not about being a dick to people that don't ride, it was about being a dick to people that do ride, but don't bring self sufficient supplies. There are many other forum threads for you to copy and paste your above comment into, that would fit the subject. But once again, trail access is not limited because people don't bring tubes or chain tools...
  • 1 0
 you may be right. Carry a tube and be a dick about it!
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 What's a tube
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 I remember helping someone and giving them a tube and some assistant. Told him to clean up after himself. Came back and found his old tube hanging on a tree. I was so freaking heated I swore if he was at the lot when I got back down I was gonna whoop his sorry ass. Luckily for him(maybe me) he was gone.
  • 1 0
 I find it better not to be an A'hole an lend tools tubes an teach inexperienced newbies how to use a chain tool etc etc Never know when your gonna have a mechanical an the one tool you need is the one that's in your other bag or on the bench at home What goes around comes around
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 Never asked for a tube but have had one offered before and I did offer money for it. Have asked to use a pump a couple of times. Once from a LBS owner who saved me having to walk 50 kms to the nearest train station. He charges a little more than some of the chain bike shops and he is out of the way but, his is the first shop I go to when I need help.
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 I'm amazed how many people I've given spares to who say they will replace it, never acknowledge they borrowed one.
I carry two now, just to be sure I have one for myself.
Going to start carrying a 650b and a 26"spare. Can fix anything that way. Works fine in a 29er. Haven't tried a 650b in a 26 yet, but I'd bet it would work in a pinch.
  • 1 0
 I run tubeless, but I usually carry some tire irons and a tube just in case. Mini-Tool, of course. Chain device? Nah. I mostly ride up the local mountains, and if I happen to snap a chain, I'll just coast back down. Riding chainless isn't nearly as bad as having a puncture. And since I'm a decent mechanic, I'll gladly help out stranded strangers. But at the same time I think I would leave Mr Speedy behind if it was a frequent exercise...

For Bikeparks, I usually don't take los of tools along. Maybe for big stuff like top of the world, but when the worst possibility is a mile or so of walking, I take the risk.
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 Wow, people have some opinions on this subject. I ride from home and decide what to bring by the length of the ride. I went on a short ride one Sat. and found a bike upside down and a rider with a bad pump. I had no gear but rode home and got my pump, tubes and went back. The rider had two old tubes that had failed and his pump was fine. We put in my tube and I rode back with him to the trailhead. I also waked back 2 miles the other day with a pinch-flat and never asked any riders for help (they also didn't offer.) I would never ride more than I was willing to walk without gear. The point here is check your gear regularly and don't be a dick if you can help.
  • 3 0
 My girlfriend hates when I do that to her. When you gonna learn to carry a tube, baby? Start walking!
  • 3 0
 I'm always prepared... Always have my tools with me in my pack, with couple spare tubes and pump never leaves my bag.
  • 4 1
 Fuck flats, i'll just ride the rims. You can't stop me no matter who you are - Crazy ace ventura laugh here -
  • 4 0
 This article is implying that I have riding buddies lol
  • 2 2
 Most of these comments show the sheer lack of tough people these days...oh my god, he didn't help someone for the 50th time...oh my god, he wanted to ride his ride and not help someone, yet again....yeah yeah, karma, karma, trust me I know....all I do in my life is take care of people and help my wifes divorced girl-friends move and hook up their TVs and setup their internet...and you know what I'm even saying to that now....fuck that! People today expect things to be handled for them just because....there's no waY! I'm sure most of the people who posted on here do help people and have no problem helping, but when will you draw the line......I'm guessing it will be when you get facked in the ass for helping someone and then you have to walk out. It's like I tell the kids, be prepared or be prepared to walk. Funny how most of the comments on here make PB users seem like the most helpful bunch out there.....you know what I say to that......I doubt it! You guys are just upset that you don't get to ride and write thought-provoking articles for PB...how dare an ambassador of our sport dis a fellow biker on the trail....haha, glad you did RC let a lesson be learned here...Carry your own shit, carry some spares or walk to the car
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 Pretty atrocious article that fails to even mention a first aid kit when trying to make a point about self sufficiency..

"when is it OK to tell a sidelined compatriot to F-off and die?"

Wonderful statement for someone inducted into the hall of fame. Maybe one day I'll find you on the trail broken or broken down.. but don't expect any help from me Richardo!
  • 1 0
 last year i gave out 15 tubes, and went through 4 patch kits helping people out. I no longer supply parts but i will lend tools trail side, my money looks better in my wallet not yours,
  • 1 1
 I do have a pump to adjust air pressure but don't have a spare tube (I use tubeless tires). Last time I had a flat about 10 years ago when I ran over a barbed wire.
I also carry a shock/fork pump, multitool mainly for adjusting the seat (once I used it for tightening the screws on the stem) and a Victorinox knife with some tools.
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 What I do always carry when riding alone is a cell phone and satellite PLB, in case I am fallen and can't get up. Rest of stuff, depends... I would put first aid kit well before extra tools. Tools.. not all of them. Within 12 miles from trail head I can just run back to the car with my bike, even carry it, if needed, in the rare case a breakdown occurred.
  • 2 0
 I'm lucky enough as i have 2 bike shops near my local trails so if anything happens i walk for 10-15mins and then there is the shop
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 I dont understand the meaning of the poll. Could someone explain?

If a group of you goes riding, whats the point in carrying 10 sets of tools? or 10 pumps? etc?
  • 1 1
 So your supposed to sort who's carrying what.?? That is a pussy attitude. Carry you own shit...
  • 4 0
 RC is bang on, should have kicked him in the nads too
  • 2 0
 Well said. U want my spare tube itll cost you ÂŁ100.
  • 1 0
 Pedro's tulio (great product, needs to be updated for today's axles), Lenzyne pump, one tube taped to the bike, water bottle. It is great riding unencumbered. I only use a hydration pack for rides more than 10 miles
  • 2 0
 rely on no one count on being left at the side to die always bring everything you may need including cash and an irie attitude.
  • 1 0
 Fair play IMO. The guy was obviously a habitual line stepper and needed to be taught a lesson so he made sure he brought his own spares next time. It's not like he left him in the the middle of a desert to die or anything!
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 BLAH BLAH BLAH! That dude that left the rider was a dick! I thought we were all on the same team. Maybe a little advice instead of stranding someone. I bet you feel so cool getting to tell that story. I would have chased you down on foot since you are obvious a slow rider and kicked you in the tail. Then I would come on pinkbike and tell everyone. sorry I got a little carried away on this comment. I just hate people who think they know everything and tell you how the right way to ride is. I just as soon hike my bike five miles with a flat than carry a backpack full of water and tools. It just means I am in the woods that much longer!
  • 8 8
 Seriously WTF! I can't believe I read that in a PB article...such a dick move! Leaving a fellow rider on the trail...That's not what MTB is about at all.
  • 4 0
 just rag it home!
  • 3 1
 I love my new SWAT bib just for this. I can carry everything all day & not be hindered by a backpack.
  • 5 2
 My feelings for RC have changed. Not cool man.
  • 3 0
 Beer moochers after a ride are worse in my opinion.
  • 3 2
 Poor choice Richard, poor choice.

Although I don't know you personally, judging from your Pinkbike articles & exploits, I would have expected better.
  • 1 0
 You guys are a bunch of girls rc gave them his pump and tubes and advised them to go back to the trail head and they did not, what else should he have done.
  • 1 0
 Could this just be a made up scenario to get the opinion of riders. It's worked for sure. Lots of sympathy for the un prepared.
  • 1 0
 The mtb community should be be friendly and helpful, not just knobheads that ditch people in the middle of no-where. not cool
  • 2 0
 I'll help anybody on a 26", with shimano parts, and tubeless tires. I doubt those people will need my help.
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 I even have a simple medkit with me. I never trust others to carry my wight, but I'll happly help a rider in need.
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 The gentleman who wrote this is such a dick! And nobody wants to wear fanny packs.
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 I guess that's why my mother named me Richard ^^^
  • 10 1
 Ahaha. Awesome. I trust your judgment RC. Tough love.
  • 2 1
 I think you did the right thing tough love good job
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 When I did fenasosa last the guys made me put my camelbak in the uplift Frown
It's rock/puncture city there.
Language barrier didn't help I guess
  • 2 0
 "what everyone in North America will soon be wearing, a fanny pack". Um, no.
  • 3 1
 Option number 3 basically says "I'm one of those dicks"
  • 2 0
 MINIMUM 3 SPARE TUBES PER PERSON
  • 2 0
 how can you bring the beer without a pack??????
  • 3 0
 six cages.........Smile
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 When I was a lad and I was out of spare tubes I would stuff the tire with grass and leaves and ride that sucker home anyway!
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 Course you did Tyrone, course you did.
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 SWAT, and parasite not.
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 I carry a whole lot more than that, and seem to use it regularly, but usually for other riders "parasites"
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 They missed the option: carry multi-tool but that's it. Go back to car for tube...
  • 1 0
 That's some pretty shitty karma. It'll suck when rc is laying on the ground and there's no one there to help.
  • 2 1
 I hope you learned something from reading the responses to your....."story". teachable moment.....lets move on.
  • 1 0
 ..and some raincoats of course
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 Gigantic dickwad move man. This is EVERYTHING the sport goes against. You should be ashamed of yourself !
  • 3 0
 You weren't there..
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 SHAMELESS PARASITE TILL I DIE MOTHER F***ERS!!!! GIMME YOUR FREE SH*T
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 Richard you're a jerk. And an old fuddy duddy. You choose which is worse.
  • 2 2
 Wow... Way to be an asshole RC.
  • 5 6
 ZOMG people still run tubes? I blame enduromania. I had a flat back in 2007. none since. your bad
  • 8 0
 I run tubelss and still carry tube and duct tape, Do I need to explain?
  • 2 0
 Bring his own spares and tools.
  • 2 3
 You are a horrid person. I hope you get your payback one day and someone shafts you...
  • 1 0
 You guys still friends?
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 yellow bastard
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 Parasitic burden
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