If "made in the USA" means anything to you, Wolf Tooth Components are just that - locally sourced and beautifully machined. We used the SRAM cassette conversion kit, including the 16t, which generated a smoothly stepped gear selection that looks like this: 11-13-16-19-21-24-28-36-42. We tried it on a Shimano Deore XT Shadow Plus long-cage rear mech, as well as a SRAM X9 type 2 rear derailleur. To get the upper pulley of either changer to clear the larger cog, the B-tension limit screw must be turned in most of the way. The SRAM changer shifted the gears with a tiny bit of complaining, while the Shimano didn't seem to notice that it was being asked to do the improbable. Wolf Tooth just released the "Goat Link" which replaces the follower link of the Shimano Shadow Plus rear derailleur to add more room for the upper pulley and to return the proper amount of chain overlap to the system. We did not use a Goat Link, but it makes sense. The shifting ramps that Wolf Tooth developed for the GC 42 take some time to break in, after which, they produce quick, reliable (albeit, slightly less than OEM-crisp) shifts. Considering the options, however, the Wolf Tooth conversion is a big win for anyone who has a ten-speed drivetrain and is lusting after a wide-range transmission for around a hundred bucks. - RC |
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Edit: Yup, just checked. Wolftooth and Oneup both sell just the 16T.
@inked-up-metalhead totally agree on the smoothness front. Main thing putting me off the idea of a range extender is the uneven jumps. Even with a 16t you've got a couple of 3 tooth gaps between a bunch of 2 tooth gaps, and just knowing that would probably irritate me regardless of whether I could actually feel it.
Hurry up Praxis! We want our wide range cassetes!
Sram/shimano offering a range extender cog would probably mean that all they would accomplish is undercutting themselves. The volume of range extender cog sales is probably extremely low compared to what they make with bike manufacturers so there is no incensitive for them to come up with a stand alone version of their 42t rings, especially since it means suboptimal shifting and suboptimal shifting for a drivetrain company is unacceptable.
The 10 speed one can "officially" handle a standard 11-36 cassette (there's a medium cage option, even!) So should be fine with any range expander. This is SRAM making 10 speed X01, just not marketing it very loudly because they want you to buy 11 speed.
A bit mercenary of them, especially considering OneUp bundle one for "free" with their 42T cog.
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I'm running the 42t with a xt cassette and a double xt crank with a 30t wolftooth chain ring. I'm considering buying a race face turbine crank with direct mount to improve chain alignment.
So, when I switched the drive line over to my Scott Genius 710, I was a little disappointed to see the problem still existed. Added 2 mm spacers to try and correct the problem, but still have it. Not sure if a switch to One up would help? Oh, also XT cranks. XTR were on the hard tail.
I know there are a lot of arguments about whether or not these conversions work very well, and for sure there will be issues with derailleur limits. The shop I took it to for the work is extremely good and thorough, and they warned me that these conversions don't always work smoothly. They either shift nicely in the middle and have to jump to the ends, or they grind a bit in the middle to get smoothly to the ends. The guys at the shop also believe SRAM drivetrains handle these conversions a bit better, based on their experience.
But in all, it's hard to beat the price, considering how spendy 1x11 drivetrains are. Don't expect miracles, get a really good mechanic to do the conversion, and you won't miss your 2x or 3x for a second.
But in your situation, you're one chainring away from a stock rear setup, that will give you improved gear spread, or throwing a 16t & the stock 11t on, & getting a wider gear spread. 36t cog is steel, 42t is aluminum. I know what I'd do.
Btw: Combined with my 40t hope. Plug and play. Perfect Shifting. If 11-40 is enough maybe go british with this perfect piece of cnc-manufacturing (that comes in lots of colours even silver...)
Really don't know why Shimano or SRAM don't offer 10-42/11-40 10s cassettes, as after my experience, I'll not be shelling out for 1x11 until it comes as standard on a new bike (probably many years away)
so happy everyone is going 1x but you only need the extra gears to smooth the change.
I also don't see why others don't jump on the 10t cog with XD freehub - in 1x10 or direct SRAM competition 1x11. Imagine a Shimano compatible 10x40 10speed cassette on XD freehub with XT RD and shifters - whole system would cost less than just an XX1 cassette.
works out lighter than the competition too (including the whole cassette), if that gets you off and costs about £80
In less than a year I guarantee there will be an XT level 11spd cassette that'll fit on 10spd freehubs just the same as the XTR one does now. If you want a wide range cassette RIGHT NOW, pay the premium and get XTR or X1/X01/XX1. Otherwise, be patient and use the half assed shit like this in the mean time.
You all want cheap, reliable, light weight, long lasting, AND "right now". Not gonna happen.
Which directly contradicts "SRAM isn't going to go back and make a change to their 10spd system just because people with low budgets on the internet want them to?" and "10spd is all but a distant memory." as well as "half assed shit."
Existing Shimano/SRAM drivetrains work with 11-40 and 11-42 cassette adapters by playing with the b-tension. The bigger issue is the sloppy shifting from the 15 (or 16 if you have one) to 19 cogs and too large of a spread that early on in the cassette.
Point being, they didn't go back with the intent to make their new stuff backwards compatible.
Another point--throw an 11spd XTR or XX1 group on your bike and you'll realize that any other method of getting a 40 or 42 cog is the work of peasants. Everything else is trash by comparison.
I've ridden 11 speed (bothXX1 & XTR, & Di2 XTR even.) They don't shift any better than 10 speed. not any worse either(which did happen previously. 9 speed sram shifts better than any of these other ones) but not any better. The only shifting problems within the cassette are the One-up 16t cogs, that's one products failure, not the entire concept.
& then there's your last sentence, a quite glorious attempt at trolling. But we'd all rather you just go back under your bridge, with your silly terms like "peasants," that you seem to think make you seem smart, when everyone just sees someone relying on ad hominem to make an argument, because their actual point is so pathetically poor that they have no other option.
Going above the stated max cog size on Shimano products has always required b-tension adjustment nearly maxed out. What have you tried it with, poverty Zee shit? I've tried it with 10spd XTR and Dura Ace and both needed a ton of b-tension.
Frankensteining a bunch of low rent shit together to give poor people a way to get a 40t or 42t cog is exactly that, half assed.
And I've actually OWNED the stuff you've just test ridden. 10spd and 11spd XTR and the 11spd version shifts way better. More smoothly and with less effort.
My Dura Ace equipped road bike has a stated max cog size of 28. On serious climbing days I throw on a 11-32 cassette and it takes all of the b-screw to not rumble/drag gears in the low/low gear combo.
Any update on this? I got mine (32t chainring and 42t cog combo) installed yesterday. Looks and feels good. The detail is high end. Thnx.
Years back we had these things called balls. Growing a pair was quite easy when you developed this old habit we called "practice". Anyhow, this was all free. It had this strange side effect called fun. I know none of you interested in this odd product can understand this idea since you're most likely too busy being serious and worrying about important things like which card-stock to order your mail clerk business cards in or which order to organize your staples and paperclips but believe me, this whole concept of relaxing and making your body do the work is quite liberating and fun.
Having 42 instead of 36 as your lowest would really help i imagine!
Different strokes for different folks. In some places, the extra kick of a slightly lower gear all-around is necessary.