I completely disagree........
I kind of wish my shoes even BRAAAAAP'ed when I walked
And my dog does some mad drifts in the dirt chasing her ball..... I wish it happened then too
I love the moto sounds. Without motocross I personally, and I'm sure a good percentage of the mtb community would have never become enthusiasts of this sport. And without motocross, their would be no Fox Racing Shox.
I don't know how true that is, honestly. People are attracted to biking for bikes, not because it's wannabe moto. There's tons of us that aren't into moto at all (not me) but adore MTB. I don't really see the connection, other than them both having two wheels.
It's like saying that without GP, nobody would be into motocross. Doesn't make much sense when you word it like that, either.
I know many people in my area that transitioned from moto into mtb either for training, or due to the fact that it takes a lot less cash to do on a regular basis. Instead of rebuilding a motor every 30 hrs, I have to rebuild my forks.
I grew up racing motocross and my dad obviously paid for everything when I was a youngster, now that im almost 22 I'm on my own budget and I cant afford to support a racing program in MX, but I sure as hell can afford to maintain a DH bike.
It started out as training for motocross, and slowly progressed into my passion. I haven't raced in over 2 years, but ride my mtb 3 or 4 times a week.
I understand your side, but on my side I see a lot of people seeking their adrenaline high they used to get from MX, now through a mtb. I'm sure it has gone the other way around as well.
I guess it depends what era you were born in. I was a kid in the 70's at the beginning of BMX and we were into our bikes because motocross was not an option so racing around trails and jumps was it for us. Cycling is still a huge part of my life today and part of that is because of trying to be Hurricane Hannah as a kid on a 20" Schwinn.
Lars is a shredder, for sure! I think the brap sounds are credit to Scott Secco, the guy that shot and edited it though. Props to both of those guys.. the braaappp sounds wouldn't be as effective without Lars doing what he does best though..
I don't see too much of a connection when it comes to the nature of the sport. However technology transfer regarding suspension is obvious and the edit is quite fun!
I don’t care about the enduro part at all. All I can say is that I broke into a huge grin setting here at my desk and was laughing by the time it was over. The video took me back to my childhood when I would ride my bike around and pretend I was on a dirt bike. Fox has MX roots and are just having a bit of fun. Remember that mountain biking isn't about being super serious all the time, it’s about having fun and staying young at heart.
What's with all the negativity? Just a bit of fun innit?! And at what point does it claim mtb has mx roots? A promo from Fox celebrating Fox's roots in mx surely.
I'll probably get neg propped like a bastard, but I thought the noises were pretty lame.
MTB identity crisis resurfaces - not all of us pretend to be riding MX bikes, we actually like MTB for what it is.
I may be being naive here, but MTB doesn't even have any MX roots, as far as I'm aware? Aside from a certain rider starting to wear MX kit on his downhill bike, MTB evolved completely independently from MX.
MX noises are lame, if you want to do that, get a MX bike. Mountain biking is cool for what it is.
Rang is right. Fox Shox started in moto. Fox (Apparel) started in moto. Troy Lee Designs started in moto, O'neal (Azonic) started in moto. I may be a little off, but they definitely started in MX before DH or any discipline of mtb.
Companies making a transition is not the same as having shared roots. MTB comes from people taking mostly road styled bikes from pre WW2 and making them into very rough, mountain worthy machines. Klunkers as we call them today. We've adopted some style from MX, such as the gear, wider bars than road counterparts, and quite often our riding styles as well. Most MX companies got their start from other racing genres, such as Honda. That doesn't make MX an offspring of cars, but rather there's a company that offers both cars and MX bikes.
I agree with Sherbet - MTB doesn't have its roots in MX. Sure some companies that had been based in MX have helped it along, but the roots of mtbing lie in hacking together unsuitable bikes and flying down hills on them
I love the guy that said "MTB doesn't have any MX roots". Really? Unless you ride a 1970s era clunker (or if you're a spandex wearing hardtail 29er dirt roadie) modern day MTBs have a lot of MX tech. Current generation MTB stuff like: damper, frame construction, geometry, suspension design, tire design all have trickled down or been derived from motorcycles.
KTM is really the only major manufacturer that STILL supports 2-stroke bikes. I ride a 200 XCW and that thing RIPS. If you want to improve: jumping, comfy using flats, line selection, speed, body positioning, get on a dirtbike. I cross train on my KTM riding trails and it's definitely made me faster, and stoke level high.
2-strokes are ideal bikes, because they're lighter than 4-stroke counterparts AND require far less maintenance AND are cheaper to buy. The characteristic noise is an added bonus
@chillindrdude I suspect you mainly talk about your DH experience. For those who still pedals on their bikes, thinks are a bit different.
tires - schwalbe and hutchinson at least only produce bicycles tires. Technology for tires (I mean construction) are the same than for cars, ATV, etc... Treads design are specific to MTB for easily understandable reasons.
suspension - appart from fox (which is not a high end brand in MX), marzo and manitou, the other manufacturers doesn't produce for MX. SHOWA and HONDA made a step in MTB then came back. Ohlins just started to make a step toward MTB. LSC, HSC, HSR, LSR are not MX specific, same for cartridge damping and pressurization, see rally cars. MX forks has nothing to do with MTB (inverted, no quick axis, brake mounting, double crown, weight, etc...). It is the marketing genius of Fox to call back its ancient roots and play on the MX fiber of Americans to get an identity back and sell more products.
Biggest steps in MTB suspension were made originally by Olivier Bossard from BOS who started his carrer in MTB in the 90' at the time of the Sunn-Chipie DH team (Vouilloz, Gachet, Chausson). He then bring his expertise to rally cars and MX, then came back to MTB.
frame - hydroforming comes from automotive industry. Carbon frames for MX are anecdotics and where developped far after MTB carbon frames, originally based on easily available carbon tubes to mimic alloy construction. And for now I don't know any MTB with with a perimetric frame.
suspension design - VPP, FSR, Idrive, multiple pivot placement, nothing to do with MX where the management of balance sheet strength is not aimed to the same objectives than in MTB.
damper tech - propedal and derivatives platforms, nothing to do with MX, same reason than suspension (balance sheet strength), for the rest a shock is a shock, and shocks where first developped for cars.
Like Descarte said "comparison is not reason", so don't let you fooled by stupid big foot marketing analogy. Current MTBs have their own technology, mostly dicted by specific needs of MTB (ligthness, suspension vs pedaling efficiency, dynamic distribution of weight, etc).
Okay, so motorcycles and bikes are not identical. But to say that there's no similarities or influences is a stretch...
Pointing out each detail that's different and ignoring the vast similarities isn't a great argument. Of course there's no "pro pedal" pedaling specific platforms in automotive applications. Just because it exists in 4 wheeled applications doesn't mean that its existence in motorcycles didn't influence bikes. I'd say that fullface helmets, protection, gloves, goggles and clothing are directly influenced and interchangeable in many cases. Saying that XC helmets with 20 vents aren't used by motorcyclists, or that I don't ride my bike with my 5lb Gaerne moto boots isn't a valid point.
"Pointing out each detail that's different and ignoring the vast similarities isn't a great argument."
Which vast similarities are you talking about ? The only things we share are 2 suspended wheels and one human ? Oh, OK, there's a bar, too. And if you wanna play the egg or chicken game, I guess the bike win, like bike in motor-bike. Vast similarities are generalities.
"Saying that XC helmets with 20 vents aren't used by motorcyclists, or that I don't ride my bike with my 5lb Gaerne moto boots isn't a valid point."
Yes, it's a valid point, because in 2014 you precisely wouldn't ride anymore your bike with 5lb Gaerne moto boots or even your MX helmet as well as any overweight. And yes, fullface helmets, protection, gloves and clothing are bike specific: try a Paris-Roubaix without a chamois skin, or even an alpencross trip. The only discipline that looks toward MX is DH, and DH is only a very small part of the whole MTB market. It is a valid point because it is precisely the essence of bicycle, which is human fuelled, to look toward specific technologies to improve your ride experience by drastical weight reduction and improvement of muscular power transmission to the ground, amongst others. And that logic, that apply to all the parts of your bike, is specific to MTB (vs MX).
I dont care about the enduro part at all. I do know that I just broke into a huge grin while setting here at my desk the moment I heard those moto sounds. It took me back to my childhood when I would ride my bike through the woods and pretend I was on a dirtbike. By the end I was laughing out loud with enjoyment. I think that is what Fox was going for and its sad if you cant see that. Remember that mountian biking isn't about being super serious, its about having fun and staying young at heart.
Music to my ears. A lot of times you can pick out the guy that has moto experience. There style is a little more attack, head over bars, elbows up and levers that don't point straight down. Nice style Lars
They should call this site PINKDYKE. The comments section these days is occupied by a bunch of bitching pussies. It's just an edit for F@$K sake!!! Go ride your bike.
Putting the marketing BS to one side.... It is super hard to not enjoy watching Lars ride! Loved his "how to" riding videos and absolutely love this too
The moto sound only sucked because two strokes are a dying breed. Shoulda been a four stroke sound.
Some of the best days i have on two wheels is self shuttling to my local DH trail, ride home then jump on my moto and smash the moto trails back to my truck. MTB and moto really are a perfect compliment to each other. They both have their strong points and their weak points. There is no doubt that riding both makes you better at both. If you disagree then you are likely someone who doesn't ride both regularly or at all and therefor cant see the benefits. Theres a reason all the top tier WC DH racers also race/ride moto in their spare time. Ultimately i have no problem with people who are dedicated to mtb only. But I challenge any of you to keep a grin off your face when riding a dirt bike.
It's like saying that without GP, nobody would be into motocross. Doesn't make much sense when you word it like that, either.
BRAP BRAP BRAAAAP!!!
Some awesome riding
MX noises are lame, if you want to do that, get a MX bike. Mountain biking is cool for what it is.
KTM is really the only major manufacturer that STILL supports 2-stroke bikes. I ride a 200 XCW and that thing RIPS. If you want to improve: jumping, comfy using flats, line selection, speed, body positioning, get on a dirtbike. I cross train on my KTM riding trails and it's definitely made me faster, and stoke level high.
2-strokes are ideal bikes, because they're lighter than 4-stroke counterparts AND require far less maintenance AND are cheaper to buy. The characteristic noise is an added bonus
I suspect you mainly talk about your DH experience. For those who still pedals on their bikes, thinks are a bit different.
tires - schwalbe and hutchinson at least only produce bicycles tires. Technology for tires (I mean construction) are the same than for cars, ATV, etc... Treads design are specific to MTB for easily understandable reasons.
suspension - appart from fox (which is not a high end brand in MX), marzo and manitou, the other manufacturers doesn't produce for MX. SHOWA and HONDA made a step in MTB then came back. Ohlins just started to make a step toward MTB. LSC, HSC, HSR, LSR are not MX specific, same for cartridge damping and pressurization, see rally cars. MX forks has nothing to do with MTB (inverted, no quick axis, brake mounting, double crown, weight, etc...). It is the marketing genius of Fox to call back its ancient roots and play on the MX fiber of Americans to get an identity back and sell more products.
Biggest steps in MTB suspension were made originally by Olivier Bossard from BOS who started his carrer in MTB in the 90' at the time of the Sunn-Chipie DH team (Vouilloz, Gachet, Chausson). He then bring his expertise to rally cars and MX, then came back to MTB.
suspension design - VPP, FSR, Idrive, multiple pivot placement, nothing to do with MX where the management of balance sheet strength is not aimed to the same objectives than in MTB.
damper tech - propedal and derivatives platforms, nothing to do with MX, same reason than suspension (balance sheet strength), for the rest a shock is a shock, and shocks where first developped for cars.
Like Descarte said "comparison is not reason", so don't let you fooled by stupid big foot marketing analogy. Current MTBs have their own technology, mostly dicted by specific needs of MTB (ligthness, suspension vs pedaling efficiency, dynamic distribution of weight, etc).
Pointing out each detail that's different and ignoring the vast similarities isn't a great argument. Of course there's no "pro pedal" pedaling specific platforms in automotive applications. Just because it exists in 4 wheeled applications doesn't mean that its existence in motorcycles didn't influence bikes. I'd say that fullface helmets, protection, gloves, goggles and clothing are directly influenced and interchangeable in many cases. Saying that XC helmets with 20 vents aren't used by motorcyclists, or that I don't ride my bike with my 5lb Gaerne moto boots isn't a valid point.
Which vast similarities are you talking about ? The only things we share are 2 suspended wheels and one human ? Oh, OK, there's a bar, too. And if you wanna play the egg or chicken game, I guess the bike win, like bike in motor-bike.
Vast similarities are generalities.
"Saying that XC helmets with 20 vents aren't used by motorcyclists, or that I don't ride my bike with my 5lb Gaerne moto boots isn't a valid point."
Yes, it's a valid point, because in 2014 you precisely wouldn't ride anymore your bike with 5lb Gaerne moto boots or even your MX helmet as well as any overweight. And yes, fullface helmets, protection, gloves and clothing are bike specific: try a Paris-Roubaix without a chamois skin, or even an alpencross trip. The only discipline that looks toward MX is DH, and DH is only a very small part of the whole MTB market.
It is a valid point because it is precisely the essence of bicycle, which is human fuelled, to look toward specific technologies to improve your ride experience by drastical weight reduction and improvement of muscular power transmission to the ground, amongst others. And that logic, that apply to all the parts of your bike, is specific to MTB (vs MX).
The comments section these days is occupied by a bunch of bitching pussies.
It's just an edit for F@$K sake!!!
Go ride your bike.
Some of the best days i have on two wheels is self shuttling to my local DH trail, ride home then jump on my moto and smash the moto trails back to my truck. MTB and moto really are a perfect compliment to each other. They both have their strong points and their weak points. There is no doubt that riding both makes you better at both. If you disagree then you are likely someone who doesn't ride both regularly or at all and therefor cant see the benefits. Theres a reason all the top tier WC DH racers also race/ride moto in their spare time. Ultimately i have no problem with people who are dedicated to mtb only. But I challenge any of you to keep a grin off your face when riding a dirt bike.
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And a "Made for today's enduro racing" tagline for a promo video of someone riding trails in the woods? I don't get it.
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