Coming 01.01.2010

 well there you have it, words from a true dh ripper

 bUT they r RIDER 00WNED 4 LIFE DAWGG!!! that means it haz 2 b Schweet!

 wow your cool

 Personally I like Transition, I think their whole idea behind business and how they do things is inspirational. But... There have been one or two demo things going on at certain races in the UK, and nobody liked the bike much. I'm thinking that - athough its marketed as a 'Race Bike' - its still only really going to be suited to the hardpack trail centers and smooth flowy DH runs of the US and Canada. I cant see it working too well on the European race circuit. Shame really.

 That's interesting... I can guarantee you there is currently not a TR-450 in the UK. And the only time one has been ridden in the UK was under the supervision of the owners of Transition Bikes. And all the feedback they received was positive. This bike has been tested rigorously throughout the world in 2009 on some of the most technicial terrain available. Thanks for your input, even though un-factual. Cheers.

 Really? I was told there was one at a race down south and nobody who rode it liked it.

 Nope. There are only 8 in existence right now and I can account for each one. When the guys went to Eurobike they visited some media, who tested it. They also visited an underground stopwatch style race, but to my knowledge no one rode it there.

 I cant find where I read it for you, i thought it was posted on a shot from up Dry Hill but I'm struggling to sift through all the comments.

I feel like a right dick now

 the stopwatch race was at longleat, a couple of guys there had a go and loved it. i cant wait till jan to hook up a ride on one!!

 Ahhh, thats where it was lol. I dunno then, I'm deffo hearing mixed oppinions. I guess it depends what your used to.

 So where exactly are you hearing these mixed opinions then?

No one from the public is riding one, so I'm curious where you're getting this information.

 Well, The guys i heard from who were at that stopwatch race didnt like it, where as the guys jonnyintern there heard from did like it. ie: Mixed oppinions.

 "I cant find where I read it for you, i thought it was posted on a shot from up Dry Hill but I'm struggling to sift through all the comments."

 I'd say No more than three people rode the tr450 at longleat... Best leave it until you get a chance to ride one, then make up your own mind.

 Fair enough, this is me going by what I heard. Like I said in the first place: I love what Transition does for the industry. My bottlerocket was the most fun bike I've ever ridden. I have high hopes for the TR450, I just dont think its going to be as well suited to UK trails as people would like.

No point having a bitching match over something somebody else wrote that I para-phrased on here, tbh.

 "smooth flowy DH runs of the US and Canada", really? Do you think that because you see the odd smooth track in a film that all of the tracks in the whole of North America are like that? I can asure you that they are just as rough if not rougher than many European tracks, let alone British tracks. I mean where is the backing for your statement when Mont Saint Anne is in north America, which is concidered by many to be just as rough if not rougher than Fort William. Not to mention other rough as hell tracks like Bromont and Canadian Open. It seems you have just made a huge assumption on what all tracks there are like, think a little before you write.

As for the bike, the next year of people riding it will prove how good or bad the bike is.

 f*ck sake guys, I shared something relative that somebody else had said elsewhere, I then gave my own oppinion; Why is the world now against me?

Androg: I was making a generalization. I Think a more appropriate one would have been that UK tracks are tight, technical and rough where as over the pond its more about speed and flow - yes there are tracks such as Mont Saint Anne which are rough, but that doesnt account for the entire continent. As a whole the popular trails over there tend to be fast, flowy, dusty with big jumps eg. Whistler, Sunpeaks, Silverstar, So Cal, Highland Bike Park etc. Here its tighter and more technical eg. Innerleithen, UK Bike Park, Moelfre etc. The riding is completely different, and the TR450 is obviously going to be geared more towards their trail conditions than ours.

If you want to make a point that the whole 'Not many people who rode it at Longleat liked it' is bullshit, then take up your argument with the guy who actually said that in the first place, not me for posting his oppinion on here.

Thank You.

 Tight and technical at Moelfre? You must be getting confused.

 this kid is way confused

 ...as for the trails or tracks in North America... Keep in mind that Transition is based in the upper left-hand corner of the US, an hour's drive from the 'Shore 2.5 from Whistler, and it is not uncommon to bump into the rider/owners on local trails here in Bellingham. (Bumped into Kyle riding the Ridge Trail on his Covert last week. These guys are stoked on riding by the way)

In watching "The Law of Fives" with segments of the Athertons riding in their own environs, or Peaty's opening segment in "Seasons" I have to constantly remind myself that those were not local trails here in NW Washington. Seems to me that Wales, Sheffield (sorry, but my knowledge of the geography of England and Wales is piss poor) and Western Washington share loamy, rooty and rocky trails often framed by ferns and firs.

I'm not a racer, but have great faith in Kevin and Kyle's ability to design and refine a great race rig, and to find damn fine riders to push its limits. It'll be fun to see how it works in its designated environment, be that the technical trails here or there (wherever 'there' happens to be) or the buffed fast trails at some of the resorts. I'm sure it'll haul the mail and look sweet in the process!

 "Reverend" has it right. The UK stuff really milks the elevation, and there is some super cool stuff. However we have a lot more elevation here in Cascadia, and as a result a lot of trails are built more down the fall line.

I had tons of fun riding at Cwm Carn, Longleat, etc while we were in the UK. However, I love what we have here in the NW. The last few years I have had 20+ days at Whistler, plus some tech gnar shore riding and top secret WA riding. We get some of the best terrain in the world to "test" our bikes on, which really just accounts for going out and having fun shredding.

Cypress "Testing"...
www.pinkbike.com/photo/3310596
www.pinkbike.com/photo/3310598
www.pinkbike.com/photo/3310597

Racing the 2009 Canadian Open...
www.pinkbike.com/photo/4392652
www.pinkbike.com/photo/4392651

 Well said, Sam. Live the dream, and keep 'testing' aka shred. Brad, nice pictures!

 A short review on Southern Downhill...

www.southerndownhill.com/reviews/bikes/transition-tr450---first-ride.html

 I never realized the UK has larger roots, harsher gravity and steeper slopes... haha. while there are obviously other things that come into play overall, (not that normal humans should be able to notice them) i'd think that if the tr450 has similar geo and and ideal suspension rate and idea wheel path and a decent weight, and is compatible with most popular existing products to make it run... I'd think that the bike would perform just as well as any other elite race bike out there. i'm not saying that it's the exact same... that'd just be wierd to make a redundant frame compared to other company's frames. a frame's got to perform right for a rider's supposedly personal desires. in this case, TO SHRED THE GNAR!!!

 Nope, price wasn't even on their website last time I checked. Haven't hyped it up any more than any other new bike either. Hopefully it won't be overpriced.

 The price has been on there website for a while now.

FRAME W/SHOCK PRICE:
TR450 Frame with 2010 Fox Racing Shocks - DHX RC4 COIL Rear Shock $2,399.00 USD

FORKS PRICE:
2010 Fox Racing Shocks - 40 RC2 $1,200.00 USD
2010 Fox Racing Shocks - 40 RC2 $1,200.00 USD
2010 RockShox - Boxxer Team Fork $1,003.00 USD
2010 RockShox - Boxxer Team Fork $1,003.00 USD

PARTS KITS PRICE:
Parts Kit - DH $1,357.00 USD

 Must be new, looked at it two weeks ago and it wasn't on there. Oh well, it's overpriced no doubt. Just as overpriced as any DH bike these days I guess.

 Any DH bike is overpriced? Real mountain bikes aren't available at Walmart my friend; the manufacturer sets the price based on the simple concept that to innovate and turn profit is the only way to stay in business. You get what you pay for.

 Good, I would never buy anything from Walmart. $2400 for a frame that last two seasons is ludacris. Not to mention rebuilding the rear shock at least every season. Bearing kits, etc. Dirt bike frames take way more abuse, and last ten times as long, and cost less than a quarter of what a DH bike frame costs. Granted the market is larger with Dirt Bikes, however the DH bike market would be alot larger if companies did not price the bikes so high.

Not all of us are doctors and can afford these bikes. If you can't afford the bike you want from working at a bike shop, then something is seriously wrong.

 I think that's why pro deals/shop discount was invented. I wouldn't have been able to buy half my stuff if it wasn't for the good discounts from working in bike shops and for the bike parks.

 this frame is horribly inexpensive compared to other DH frames out there getting the rave on the market. it's up there on my list to replace my blindside, whenever that actually happens, i dunno. i'm just waiting to see some more reviews! theeeen i'll sell my kidney. not now, though. i have other places in my body to lose weight in first. and rebuilding a rear shock only once every year? daaaang, maybe every four months if you want any doctors to really take that statement personally. haha. people will pay more for a human powered bicycle because it's a human powered bicycle. improvements are much more noticable

 Thought that was larss. Dont see anybody spell their name that way.

 with you on that

 It looks nothing like the 951. Oh wait, I kinda see what you mean... It has two wheels.

It does however look like the Commencal Supreme DH, but you cant really call it a copy - The two bikes are entirely different as far as ride characteristics go.

 are you serious?
ride characteristics?
you're 16, you've probably never ridden either of these bikes, or enough bikes in your short life to know the difference.
what do you base these far fetched opinions on kid?

 Well the fact that they have completely different leverage rates and geo for a start

No your right, I havn't ridden either of these bikes. But I sure as hell have ridden enough bikes/been riding long enough to know the differences.

Just because I f*cked up yesterday doesn't mean I'm a complete idiot, and I'd appreciate it if you'd humour me instead of putting up an arrogant front.

 you may not be an idiot but you are 16, and you've made some pretty wild comments way out of left field here just letting you know

 Yeah these 16 year old piss me the fuck off all the time i had one get in a pissing match with me on my riding ability.

 you know just cause your 16 doesn't mean you can't know a hell of a lot about bikes, and as a matter of fact a lot of 16 year olds are way faster than any non pro thats older than them. just cause your older doesn't mean you can piss farther:P

 we're not talking about being fast here though are we?
we're talking about being smart
being 16 does mean you're not that smart
no disrespect, just i've been 16 before and you haven't

 Not nessescarily, people tend to forget how to use their brains as they get older and theyre not having to think in school every day (Not referring to yourself in any way, just generally making a point). There are people younger than me who have their shit together more than any other person my own age. Intelligence and who is smarter than the next person ultimatly comes down to life experiences - Which is something I've had a lot of (Just managed to not show it on this occasion! ). But yeah, I was wrong the other day to make all those very bold points when I only had a half story, that doesnt mean however that I'm wrong and your right based on age.

 are you saying you know some really "with it" 15 1/2 year olds? sounds funny
but all humour aside. i agree with you completely, mostly, sort of
on the life experience point.
so if you're smart with tons of life experience now. think how smart you'll be in 20 years