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- Date Posted
- Dec 29, 2011 at 13:22Dec 29, 2011
- Category
- Crashes
- Location
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Kraków, Poland
100 Comments
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AqueousJamaicans
(Dec 29, 2011 at 13:41)
Nice landing, 9/10.
- + 27
I work with SR Suntour. I have also been in the bike business for 20 years and have been riding mountain bikes (XC, AM, DJ, FR, & DH) for about 25 years. I've spent a considerable amount of time on the manufacturing side of the business as well. Based on that here are my observations.
SR Suntour makes a very strong and durable DJ fork in the Duro DJ. It uses a reinforced steerer tube and forged crown. I've been in many factories and their construction techniques and QC are very good.
If you make more suspension forks than all the other fork makers combined you are going to hear of more failures by simple arithmetic.
Every frame, fork, stem, bar, etc...needs periodic inspection if ridden regularly in a harsh environment like dirt jumping. Parts today are made strong but there is a lifespan to everything.
The construction method of the fork has a flared out portion of the steerer tube on the bottom side of the crown. It is very hard to understand how the steerer can pull through the crown unless this part was compromised prior to take off.
Some have noted this might be staged. IF it was staged that might explain why the rider didn't have even a rear brake on the bike so that the bars could exit the scene freely / safely and he would know he wasn't going to get tangled up with them. IF this was done on purpose it is a shame to attack a company like that. I'm not making accusations here just pointing out some odd things noted.
If the rider in the video has a legitimate warranty claim he is welcome to get a hold of SR Suntour all country contact info is at www.srsuntour-cycling.com.
SR Suntour makes a very strong and durable DJ fork in the Duro DJ. It uses a reinforced steerer tube and forged crown. I've been in many factories and their construction techniques and QC are very good.
If you make more suspension forks than all the other fork makers combined you are going to hear of more failures by simple arithmetic.
Every frame, fork, stem, bar, etc...needs periodic inspection if ridden regularly in a harsh environment like dirt jumping. Parts today are made strong but there is a lifespan to everything.
The construction method of the fork has a flared out portion of the steerer tube on the bottom side of the crown. It is very hard to understand how the steerer can pull through the crown unless this part was compromised prior to take off.
Some have noted this might be staged. IF it was staged that might explain why the rider didn't have even a rear brake on the bike so that the bars could exit the scene freely / safely and he would know he wasn't going to get tangled up with them. IF this was done on purpose it is a shame to attack a company like that. I'm not making accusations here just pointing out some odd things noted.
If the rider in the video has a legitimate warranty claim he is welcome to get a hold of SR Suntour all country contact info is at www.srsuntour-cycling.com.
- + 19
nice story.. but i still will never touch a sr, suntour,durolux fork.. not even if they were free.. 
- + 8
sprockets a lot of guys have been riding brakeless for a while now and why why you stage something like this? there is litterally no reward for the risk he took.
- + 9
cyberhawk and brett236 just a couple of things to point out here (this is lengthy so I'll have to split up my response into a couple parts)
The fork is a Duro not a Durolux, not that it alters the situation I'm just trying as best as possible to keep everyone honest to the facts.
I am aware of brakeless trends in BMX and DJ. It is also convenient if staging something like this...that is all I was pointing out.
I have coworkers in Europe who've tried repeatedly emailing the guy who made this video in both Polish his native language and in English. He is not responding back to us. We have made a big effort to find out if there really was any fault with the product. The lack of response leads us to believe it was staged.
He's done this before.....This guy has made propped/fake event photos of component failures for humorous effect before. We found sequence photo he posted of a BMX rider where the wheel comes off the front fork and the guy rides away in a manual. The rider didn't just have their axle loosen up by accident it was done on purpose for dramatic effect and a laugh.
The fork is a Duro not a Durolux, not that it alters the situation I'm just trying as best as possible to keep everyone honest to the facts.
I am aware of brakeless trends in BMX and DJ. It is also convenient if staging something like this...that is all I was pointing out.
I have coworkers in Europe who've tried repeatedly emailing the guy who made this video in both Polish his native language and in English. He is not responding back to us. We have made a big effort to find out if there really was any fault with the product. The lack of response leads us to believe it was staged.
He's done this before.....This guy has made propped/fake event photos of component failures for humorous effect before. We found sequence photo he posted of a BMX rider where the wheel comes off the front fork and the guy rides away in a manual. The rider didn't just have their axle loosen up by accident it was done on purpose for dramatic effect and a laugh.
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cyberhawk: I'll reiterate what I stated above, this is near to impossible for our steerer tube to fail in the way they are trying to show in the video. The forks have a flared edge to them on the bottom side of the steerer where it enters the crown. They cannot pull out like it did in the video.
brett236....People do take risks like this for the sake of effect. This guy has 20,000 views on this site now and over 100,000 on others with this video. He made a dramatic video to shock people and make them want to watch it....mission accomplished.
But at the same time he is doing this for the laughs and attention it is at the expense of a good company. SR Suntour sponsors riders (WC overall, 3 Gold and one Silver at World Champs), sponsor events and places, invests in product development, and have passionate people who love bikes and take their jobs very seriously helping to make all of this happen. Going out of his way to show our brands logo is when the joke went a little too far.
Look I know there is a brand perception issue that people have. When you make a product range as broad as our that comes with the territory. We make forks that go on bikes at places like Walmart/CanadianTire. We also make stellar high end forks that went 1st and 2nd at Ft William 4X that retail as high as $1100 USD. We try to make the best fork possible no matter what the rider's budget is. The problem with some here for example on Pinkbike is that maybe they started out on one of our low end fork (NOT intended for dirt jump) then they start getting some skills get into riding seriously try it with one of those low end forks and thing ALL of our products are made like that. Then we get the snide remarks that are typically uninformed.
brett236....People do take risks like this for the sake of effect. This guy has 20,000 views on this site now and over 100,000 on others with this video. He made a dramatic video to shock people and make them want to watch it....mission accomplished.
But at the same time he is doing this for the laughs and attention it is at the expense of a good company. SR Suntour sponsors riders (WC overall, 3 Gold and one Silver at World Champs), sponsor events and places, invests in product development, and have passionate people who love bikes and take their jobs very seriously helping to make all of this happen. Going out of his way to show our brands logo is when the joke went a little too far.
Look I know there is a brand perception issue that people have. When you make a product range as broad as our that comes with the territory. We make forks that go on bikes at places like Walmart/CanadianTire. We also make stellar high end forks that went 1st and 2nd at Ft William 4X that retail as high as $1100 USD. We try to make the best fork possible no matter what the rider's budget is. The problem with some here for example on Pinkbike is that maybe they started out on one of our low end fork (NOT intended for dirt jump) then they start getting some skills get into riding seriously try it with one of those low end forks and thing ALL of our products are made like that. Then we get the snide remarks that are typically uninformed.
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Lastly, I just checked up on the return rate we have on products coming into the US (where I work) and it is an astoundingly low rate of return for any industry. Also, it comes to mind that the fork tested by Pinkbike last year was one of the longest test periods/most ridden forks Mike Levy and crew have put into any fork and it exited at the end of the day with very high marks.
Sorry for the long reply....it is just I care a lot and want people to be informed.
Sorry for the long reply....it is just I care a lot and want people to be informed.
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no matter if the reply is long.. this is one very good reply 
it counters all the "your a dick" comments.. who new there was intelligence on pinkbike 
and you are very right.. mostly you see the cheap forks broken,, my fear and judgement is because of those cases..
but i must note.. i have seen an FR/enduro fork in france at the megavalanche last year.. and it look solid..but, i was a little less fond of the sticking out airvalves at the bottom..
it counters all the "your a dick" comments.. who new there was intelligence on pinkbike and you are very right.. mostly you see the cheap forks broken,, my fear and judgement is because of those cases..
but i must note.. i have seen an FR/enduro fork in france at the megavalanche last year.. and it look solid..but, i was a little less fond of the sticking out airvalves at the bottom..
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cyberhawk: thanks for the nice comments back. I do respect many people on Pinkbike and really enjoy good discussions. I think the forum conversations have improved over the years.
The fork you would most likely see at an enduro event is the Durolux. If the air valve was at the bottom that was the Travel Adjust version of the Durolux TAD. The travel adjuster must be at the top of the fork so the only way for the air to go in is at the bottom.
On the fixed travel version, Durolux RCA the air valve is at the top under a nice CNC top cap. Mike Levy reviewed that one. www.pinkbike.com/news/SR-Suntour-Durolux-RCA-Fork-Tested-2011.html
There are new cartridge damper due out this season for the Durolux series (might be in stock in Europe already) called the RC2. This reduced weight by about 80 grams, has high and low speed damping. I've spent time testing it last fall and dig it. Bike magazine in Germany recently gave it pretty high marks. Check it all out here. www.srsuntour-cycling.com
cheers
The fork you would most likely see at an enduro event is the Durolux. If the air valve was at the bottom that was the Travel Adjust version of the Durolux TAD. The travel adjuster must be at the top of the fork so the only way for the air to go in is at the bottom.
On the fixed travel version, Durolux RCA the air valve is at the top under a nice CNC top cap. Mike Levy reviewed that one. www.pinkbike.com/news/SR-Suntour-Durolux-RCA-Fork-Tested-2011.html
There are new cartridge damper due out this season for the Durolux series (might be in stock in Europe already) called the RC2. This reduced weight by about 80 grams, has high and low speed damping. I've spent time testing it last fall and dig it. Bike magazine in Germany recently gave it pretty high marks. Check it all out here. www.srsuntour-cycling.com
cheers
- + 1
Just looked under my Epicon SF9, and that part looks pretty much indestructible.. But who knows, maybe it wasn't staged... I've seen some pretty crazy stuff happening with bike parts, like RS Tora, and Darts with they're springs jumping out of the fork directly in to riders face..
I think it would be best if someone from Suntour could check that fork to see what happened actually..
Cheers
I think it would be best if someone from Suntour could check that fork to see what happened actually..
Cheers
- + 2
SR Suntour has tried a number of ways to get a hold of the fork because like you say we all have seen some pretty crazy stuff over the years. After many days of emailing the guy who posted this and no answer SR Suntour has issued a press release and you can read it in the link below.
Biggest take away I have from it is that SR Suntour has made 80 million forks to date and this has never happened before.
www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore/news.html?PostingID=920&Category=product_news?PostingID=920&Category=product_news&sid=1
Biggest take away I have from it is that SR Suntour has made 80 million forks to date and this has never happened before.
www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore/news.html?PostingID=920&Category=product_news?PostingID=920&Category=product_news&sid=1
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Well then, that settles it. Keep us posted on what's happening...
But I'm most certain that the crash is fake; no fork in the world should brake there so easily.
But I'm most certain that the crash is fake; no fork in the world should brake there so easily.
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Im sorry Sprokets but to claim he's set this up is pretty bad. I've had a set of forks snap at the steerer on me twice (not a pair of Suntours and only due to a long period of use) and the 2nd time knocked me out so hard it threw me into seizures and i ended up in hospital. There's not exactly any safe way to stage something like this and it's definately not something you want to happen on a dirtjump.
There's a possibility it was all faked and edited to look worse than it was. But it wouldnt have been clever to tamper with the steerer/crown then hit a jump, just to get hits on a video...
There's a possibility it was all faked and edited to look worse than it was. But it wouldnt have been clever to tamper with the steerer/crown then hit a jump, just to get hits on a video...
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some peeps do everything for some attention.. and his steerer pulled out.. it did not break or something..
if i have to choose.. i would say it was set up.. it all went to easy..?
if i have to choose.. i would say it was set up.. it all went to easy..?
- + 1
sprockets - this may or may not help, but i heard teh rider was sam deuck, my mate was contacting by him on facebook when he posted the video, stateing that he simply got the steerer replaced, thanks
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i think you missed a bit in the posts above :
QUOTE Sprockets :
I have coworkers in Europe who've tried repeatedly emailing the guy who made this video in both Polish his native language and in English. He is not responding back to us. We have made a big effort to find out if there really was any fault with the product. The lack of response leads us to believe it was staged.
QUOTE Sprockets :
I have coworkers in Europe who've tried repeatedly emailing the guy who made this video in both Polish his native language and in English. He is not responding back to us. We have made a big effort to find out if there really was any fault with the product. The lack of response leads us to believe it was staged.
- + 5
Hey all,
After a week of repeatedly trying to get a hold of the rider we finally did get him to respond. He contacted us back via Facebook and funny enough the response came almost immediately after posting our statement on Facebook. We are getting the fork back for inspection.
Also curiously one of the first things the rider asked about was if he could get sponsored. I'm believing this means he is OK with our quality.
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I just gained some respect for suntour to be honest and sprockets that was all due to you and the statement released by suntour. Congratulations on 80 million forks and finding out the fork failure was staged.
- + 1
In the wheel photos it was a lot smaller risk and I highly doubt that big of a risk to get attention.
- + 6
Suntour should create an optional eject fork button for the handlebar. I'm sure somebody would find it entertaining.
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Jesteś sławny nawet suntour próbuje się wytłumaczyć z tego
www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore/news.html?PostingID=920&Category=product_news?PostingID=920&Category=product_news&sid=1
www.srsuntour-cycling.com/dstore/news.html?PostingID=920&Category=product_news?PostingID=920&Category=product_news&sid=1
- + 4
Bronią się, a mówią głupoty... Z moim Duro dokładnie to samo się stało. Ten "pierścień" na dole po prostu się wbił i wyleciało wszystko. Dowód;
www.pinkbike.com/photo/7212424/?s6
www.pinkbike.com/photo/7212424/?s6
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@sprockets if you belive the thses forks are so well built and it is no posible for them to fail like this how come none of what i am gessing are your bikes that are photoed on your profile have suntour ?????