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Posted: Dec 6, 2018 at 6:49 Quote
Shall I confuse this further? I’ve been nerding out in my head. What about the third factor. Trail construction. Influenced by bikes, or the other way round.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 1:56 Quote
But don't we all ride hardtails because we kind of all like it a bit retro?? I think it's fair to say a full susser is the quicker and more capable bike in virtually all situations but that doesn't always equate to more enjoyment.

And I'm definitely quicker on my current hardtail compared to what I had 10-15 years ago, 700mm bars anyone, >80mm stem. At least now I feel that I'm the limiting factor and can't have any ideas that it's my bike like I used to. Now I can just concentrate on improving my skills rather than my components.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 3:36 Quote
Would say a hardtails quicker on flow trails... But tbh we did a test at Aston Hill and down ricochet the difference was 3 seconds on a 1:16 second track compared to a dh bike

It doesn't make a huge difference, in terms of fatigue though on longer tracks it certainly does and stupid tech it does

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 3:52 Quote
I usually take my hardtail to Aston Hill, doesn't really surprise me the DH bike wasn't much faster. Riding at Aston Hill on my trail bike years ago actually convinced me to sell my DH bike, it's all about what you most enjoy!

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 6:08 Quote
I could really use on what frame I should be looking for to buy. Going to be doing a bit of a budget build so the max for my frame is about $400 but don't mind used. I am looking for something that is fun on pump tracks, dirt jumps and for dicking around and sessioning stuff but comfortable enough to ride for a few hours. I was thinking a true 27.5 (not plus) but I would be open to 26. I am thing 65-67 HA, short as possible chainstays, able to fit at least 170mm dropper, and at least 450mm of reach although 470mm would be nice. I am 6'2" 200lb.

One I had thought about was the Dartmoor Primal (new). I also saw this 26in Stylus (in XL? I don't see XL for a 2013 Stylus so I can't find a reach). https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2469271/

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 6:29 Quote
93EXCivic wrote:
I also saw this 26in Stylus (in XL? I don't see XL for a 2013 Stylus so I can't find a reach). https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2469271/

Try this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130207131106/http://www.chromagbikes.com:80/frames/stylus
Click on Spec and you'll get the geo. But reach was anything to go by back then, so that figure is not to be found.

With a 24" effective TT length and that ST angle, the reach should be nowhere near 450mm though.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 6:42 Quote
pyromaniac wrote:

Try this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130207131106/http://www.chromagbikes.com:80/frames/stylus
Click on Spec and you'll get the geo. But reach was anything to go by back then, so that figure is not to be found.

With a 24" effective TT length and that ST angle, the reach should be nowhere near 450mm though.

Thanks. I am currently on a 2011 XL WFO9 which has 450mm reach with a 50mm stem (75degree st angle, 24.4in tt) and the reach feels good to me. I haven't tried longer though. My first bike was a 2017 L Cannondale Trail5 with 443mm reach and a 50mm stem (73degree st angle) and it was ok for a few hours as far as comfort but after that my lower back aching a little but that may have not been due to the reach. I also ride BMX though so I can deal with a bit smaller bike in general.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 7:16 Quote
93EXCivic wrote:
pyromaniac wrote:

Try this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130207131106/http://www.chromagbikes.com:80/frames/stylus
Click on Spec and you'll get the geo. But reach was anything to go by back then, so that figure is not to be found.

With a 24" effective TT length and that ST angle, the reach should be nowhere near 450mm though.

Thanks. I am currently on a 2011 XL WFO9 which has 450mm reach with a 50mm stem (75degree st angle, 24.4in tt) and the reach feels good to me. I haven't tried longer though. My first bike was a 2017 L Cannondale Trail5 with 443mm reach and a 50mm stem (73degree st angle) and it was ok for a few hours as far as comfort but after that my lower back aching a little. It felt a little cramped even though there wasn't a ton of difference in size. I also ride BMX though so I can deal with a bit smaller bike in general.

If I did this correctly, reach should be ~380mm.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 7:31 Quote
pyromaniac wrote:
93EXCivic wrote:
pyromaniac wrote:

Try this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20130207131106/http://www.chromagbikes.com:80/frames/stylus
Click on Spec and you'll get the geo. But reach was anything to go by back then, so that figure is not to be found.

With a 24" effective TT length and that ST angle, the reach should be nowhere near 450mm though.

Thanks. I am currently on a 2011 XL WFO9 which has 450mm reach with a 50mm stem (75degree st angle, 24.4in tt) and the reach feels good to me. I haven't tried longer though. My first bike was a 2017 L Cannondale Trail5 with 443mm reach and a 50mm stem (73degree st angle) and it was ok for a few hours as far as comfort but after that my lower back aching a little. It felt a little cramped even though there wasn't a ton of difference in size. I also ride BMX though so I can deal with a bit smaller bike in general.

If I did this correctly, reach should be ~380mm.

That is short... Probably skip that.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 8:42 Quote
That's the reach of a x-small bike!

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 8:43 Quote
Geometry was way different back then... Reach was not a priority. I think my old (1st gen) Stanton Slackline was around 400mm in a large. That was considered a long bike then too.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 9:08 Quote
Buggyr333 wrote:
Geometry was way different back then... Reach was not a priority. I think my old (1st gen) Stanton Slackline was around 400mm in a large. That was considered a long bike then too.

Were they comfortable?

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 9:10 Quote
sterlingmagnum wrote:
Shall I confuse this further? I’ve been nerding out in my head. What about the third factor. Trail construction. Influenced by bikes, or the other way round.

I'd say there's definitely more steep stuff being built now, probably due to longer/slacker bikes becoming the norm.

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 12:00 Quote
So-- I got a bit carried away and bought my first "aggressive hardtail" the other day off BuySell: A size medium Ragley Blue Pig (actually bought a large fully built and a medium frame, swapped the parts and sold the large frame. Dropper seatpost arrives today!

New to me bike day Ragley Blue Pig

But I had been eyeing Sick bikes offerings and right after I'd pulled the trigger on the Ragley, Sick had a limited edition raw Wolf AM run and I hopped on that. Frame should arrive in February. Anyhow, point being the Sick has an option of 27+ or 29 and was wondering about opinions regarding either. I've never ridden 27+ and my only 29er was a 2008 Raleigh XXIX which has short, high and tight geometry.

edit: I'm mostly looking for a fun bike over a fast bike. But also, fast is fun

Posted: Dec 7, 2018 at 15:06 Quote
sweet pig... One of the best frames out there me thinks. my buddy has one and it just works for everything well and is funn as hell... so rad on the sick, just do this. hold on to the pig frame and don't sell it right away until you build the sick and decide which you like better. sick will most likely be longer and a faster bike where the pig may be a more fun playful thing... just something to consider.


 
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