Enduro/AM - The Weight Game

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Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 12:39 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
PHeller wrote:
Gonna try some Revolution Grips. Got some on sale at Jenson for 35% off so decided why not? $50 for grips that normally cost $90? Hell yea.

I've been rocking ESI copies for a few years now and they certainly work. A recent couple of rides on classic lock-on grips was a rude awakening that my hands/wrists need more than just solid rubber.

My problem is, I don't like thick grips. I like really soft thin grips. Hopefully the Rev Grips combine the best of both worlds, the "softness" of thick pillowy rubber or silicone ESI Chunky, but with better durability and a smaller OD.

Rev Grips can't offer much "pillowy" effect for their thickness: there's simply no way to do that when more hardware is crammed between the surface and the bar. Their rubber is thinner than a push-on grip of comparable diameter.

What Rev Grips can do is offer a lot more shear movement. This may be more effective than radial movement, so the design has potential. It's possible the Revs could feel as firm as typical Lock-Ons (which I agree are too firm), yet not wreck your hands. Looking forward to your review!

Deity knuckle duster grips have been my go to lately. Plush.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 13:38 Quote
I would like to see more lockon grips going with softer compounds. I hear the Renthal Kevlar grips are top notch but haven't tried them yet.

I have been running the larger diameter Raceface Grippler and they are all right. Nothing special definitely need gloves if you have sweaty hands

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 13:43 Quote
Renthal push on grips are my jam.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 13:51 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
badbadleroybrown wrote:
R-M-R wrote:


BMXers hit 20-stair sets to flat. It's not about what you can or can't do, it's about how you want the bike to feel and how interactive you want the ride to be.

For me, travel has a lot more to do riding through rough shit and maintaining control than it does with drops and shit like that. Try taking a rigid bike through a rock garden or some blown out roots and changing direction... that's where full suspension shines imo.

Yes, absolutely. And when you're not riding that kind of terrain, the bike is squishier and less responsive. Trade-offs. The question that started this was why a person might want less suspension and the answer is responsiveness / agility. Neither is better in every situation or for every rider.

I am sure there are trade offs for some designs, but I haven't noticed much trade off in my recent move to more travel. Been just about all positive. Probably lost just a little efficiency climbing out of the saddle, but it tracks better on climbing over roots/rocks. I was pleasantly surprised as I did not think it would be possible.

Ran Oury for years early on and now running their lock-ons.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 14:09 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
PHeller wrote:
Gonna try some Revolution Grips. Got some on sale at Jenson for 35% off so decided why not? $50 for grips that normally cost $90? Hell yea.

I've been rocking ESI copies for a few years now and they certainly work. A recent couple of rides on classic lock-on grips was a rude awakening that my hands/wrists need more than just solid rubber.

My problem is, I don't like thick grips. I like really soft thin grips. Hopefully the Rev Grips combine the best of both worlds, the "softness" of thick pillowy rubber or silicone ESI Chunky, but with better durability and a smaller OD.

Rev Grips can't offer much "pillowy" effect for their thickness: there's simply no way to do that when more hardware is crammed between the surface and the bar. Their rubber is thinner than a push-on grip of comparable diameter.

What Rev Grips can do is offer a lot more shear movement. This may be more effective than radial movement, so the design has potential. It's possible the Revs could feel as firm as typical Lock-Ons (which I agree are too firm), yet not wreck your hands. Looking forward to your review!

The Rev Grips have lots of different size offerings. The Med seems to be a hit around the shop.. I run the larges and they are definitely a substantial grip in girth.. Way more than anything else I have held onto before....



But I definitely noticed the difference in the sting I feel compared to other grips. I have played with tuning mine quite a bit and end up with the red inserts with the thin tuning washers.. It wears the inserts faster, but makes for a more supple grip.


The grip inserts themselves seem to wear pretty fast.. Faster than other grips I have used.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 14:20 Quote
Quick question. What storage bib shorts are people using? Pretty sure I’m gonna get the specialised swat ones but if anyone can chime in with any advice that’d be great

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 14:21 Quote
Rev grips are $90 USD !

Thank dog my hands are big and ESI Chunkys work great for me

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 15:02 Quote
bikerboywill wrote:
Quick question. What storage bib shorts are people using? Pretty sure I’m gonna get the specialised swat ones but if anyone can chime in with any advice that’d be great

I’ve got two pairs of the Specialized ones and they’re awesome. Really good fit and the storage is great. Lets me do a long ride without a pack.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 15:43 Quote
bikerboywill wrote:
Quick question. What storage bib shorts are people using? Pretty sure I’m gonna get the specialised swat ones but if anyone can chime in with any advice that’d be great

Traditional jersey with three rear pockets for me. Sometimes a jersey with a single, large pocket if I'm not carrying pads. Works great if the jersey is reasonably snug and you keep the load balanced.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 15:45 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
bikerboywill wrote:
Quick question. What storage bib shorts are people using? Pretty sure I’m gonna get the specialised swat ones but if anyone can chime in with any advice that’d be great

Traditional jersey with three rear pockets for me. Sometimes a jersey with a single, large pocket if I'm not carrying pads. Works great if the jersey is reasonably snug and you keep the load balanced.

Bontrager troslo bibs have been working very well for me. Storage for days. No pack needed.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 15:51 Quote
gmoss wrote:
I am sure there are trade offs for some designs, but I haven't noticed much trade off in my recent move to more travel. Been just about all positive. Probably lost just a little efficiency climbing out of the saddle, but it tracks better on climbing over roots/rocks. I was pleasantly surprised as I did not think it would be possible.

Depends how much you value hopping & popping & pumping. When I'm on a downhill bike, it takes a big motion and plenty of time to hop the bike; on a short travel bike, it feels like a quick flick of the wrists and ankles is all I need to get up and over something or to transfer to a new line. Similarly, short travel bikes and hardtails are incredibly responsive to little pumps to gain speed; on a downhill bike, you might as well just stand there and absorb the terrain because you lose so much energy to the dampers that it's rarely worth trying to turn the trail into a pump track.

gmoss wrote:
Ran Oury for years early on and now running their lock-ons.

Big fan of Oury, myself. Back to the push-on version after using the Lock-On for a while, as the push-on is that little bit squishier.

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 15:58 Quote
whitebirdfeathers wrote:
bikerboywill wrote:
Quick question. What storage bib shorts are people using? Pretty sure I’m gonna get the specialised swat ones but if anyone can chime in with any advice that’d be great

I’ve got two pairs of the Specialized ones and they’re awesome. Really good fit and the storage is great. Lets me do a long ride without a pack.

Yep.. I have 3 pair of the Specialized Swat bibs.. Those combined with the Swat box on the bike and I have been able to race all day enduros without carrying a pack.. I was the only pro that didn't have a pack of some sort on.. It was nice!

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 16:00 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
gmoss wrote:
I am sure there are trade offs for some designs, but I haven't noticed much trade off in my recent move to more travel. Been just about all positive. Probably lost just a little efficiency climbing out of the saddle, but it tracks better on climbing over roots/rocks. I was pleasantly surprised as I did not think it would be possible.

Depends how much you value hopping & popping & pumping. When I'm on a downhill bike, it takes a big motion and plenty of time to hop the bike; on a short travel bike, it feels like a quick flick of the wrists and ankles is all I need to get up and over something or to transfer to a new line. Similarly, short travel bikes and hardtails are incredibly responsive to little pumps to gain speed; on a downhill bike, you might as well just stand there and absorb the terrain because you lose so much energy to the dampers that it's rarely worth trying to turn the trail into a pump track.

gmoss wrote:
Ran Oury for years early on and now running their lock-ons.

Big fan of Oury, myself. Back to the push-on version after using the Lock-On for a while, as the push-on is that little bit squishier.

IDK what it is, but my new longer travel (Hightower LT)is much poppier than my last, shorter travel bike (Tallboy). This one luvs to come off the ground.

Haven't used the push on's on any of my new bikes. They look so "retro" LOL I like the lock on's. I replace when the blocks round off.

The post about the Revolution grips had me looking at what a $90 grip looked like hahaha

Swat bibs? something else for me to look up. ha!

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 16:17 Quote
gmoss wrote:
IDK what it is, but my new longer travel (Hightower LT)is much poppier than my last, shorter travel bike (Tallboy). This one luvs to come off the ground.

You probably just have the rebound damping set faster! Smile

Posted: Jun 24, 2019 at 17:08 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
gmoss wrote:
IDK what it is, but my new longer travel (Hightower LT)is much poppier than my last, shorter travel bike (Tallboy). This one luvs to come off the ground.

You probably just have the rebound damping set faster! Smile

haha. could be, but this one just has a completely different feel. I actually ran the rebound damping on the TB shock all the way out and wanted more adjustment. I actually have damping in the shock on the HTLT.


 
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