Anyone experience hand numbness on mostly flat trails or smooth climbs and what did you do to resolve it?
This is probably due to the lack of movement in those situations, i.e. constant pressure.
Distribute the pressure via larger grips and/or grips with a "platform" or "wing" on the outer edge. I find this style reduces the security of my grip a little, but I'll still use grips like this for a while if I develop nerve issues on the ulnar side.
Make a point of moving your hands. Take a hand off the bar whenever convenient and give it a shake. Anything helps.
Do you have more weight on your hands than most riders? If so, is it due to a short butt-to-bar distance and/or low front end?
I am a shop goon as well.. Last time I looked at our sales for Turbos, we are well over 100 turbos for the last year and a half.
I honestly don't have that much time on my Levo.. Less than 1000 miles total. And as hard as I am on tires and wheels, I actually am pretty smooth on drivetrains since I am pretty good about 80-100rpm cadence. That said, I use the full turbo a ton. My Levo has kept me off my KTM a bunch this year and generally I am pointing the Levo up moto climbs instead of climbing the usual easy fire road climbs.
Overall, I don't think we really have seen any customer Levos where drivetrains were actually blowing apart really any faster than what customers are able to on regular bikes..
Not necessarily blowing apart, just chain elongation, sprocket wear ... the usual sorts of things. A big guy on full assist has to be seeing rapid wear, no?
Not necessarily blowing apart, just chain elongation, sprocket wear ... the usual sorts of things. A big guy on full assist has to be seeing rapid wear, no?
I'll check my chain and my milage on the Levo next time I have the bike at the shop. Like I said, I am probably at 600-800 miles on my Levo and I haven't replaced the chain yet. It very well might be due.
But considering we have hammerheads at the shop that can blow through a chain in 500-800 miles in the mud and rain on their regular bikes, I don't consider my ebike wear to be all that crazy.
Are you on a steel chainring and are the drivetrain-killers on aluminum rings? Steel makes more sense than ever in the era of large wheels, e-bikes, and single rings.
Are you on a steel chainring and are the drivetrain-killers on aluminum rings? Steel makes more sense than ever in the era of large wheels, e-bikes, and single rings.
My (xo1 11speed) drivetrain on my Levo, running 29” wheels has outlasted 2 motors... it’s on around 2500 miles I think, all conditions. Plan is to run it into the ground.
I'll be honest that I can't recall that many of our Levos that have gone to really hard Charger riders compared to the number of hard chargers on regular bikes.. So the average Levo rider is probably easier on their bike compared to the average 4-5k analog bike rider.
But customers are also stupid and shift their Levos to the 11t and grind away at 40rpm.. So that's a thing too. But also, the Turbo definitely cuts down on the power at that RPM.
My (xo1 11speed) drivetrain on my Levo, running 29” wheels has outlasted 2 motors... it’s on around 2500 miles I think, all conditions. Plan is to run it into the ground.
That's great for your drivetrain, but what's with the motors?!
swan3609 wrote:
And steel chain rings come OEM.
On e-bikes, yes. I'm saying everyone should be on steel rings and aluminum rings should be viewed in the same way as aluminum screws.
My (xo1 11speed) drivetrain on my Levo, running 29” wheels has outlasted 2 motors... it’s on around 2500 miles I think, all conditions. Plan is to run it into the ground.
That's great for your drivetrain, but what's with the motors?!
swan3609 wrote:
And steel chain rings come OEM.
On e-bikes, yes. I'm saying everyone should be on steel rings and aluminum rings should be viewed in the same way as aluminum screws.
OH yeah, I totally agree with you. Steel is the way to go.. We definitely have a few that were on alloy rings that they destroyed quick.
And we have had 4 motors die out of our hundred sold.. And then had a broken motor mount on a comfort bike.. But overall they have been not super terrible.
Not necessarily blowing apart, just chain elongation, sprocket wear ... the usual sorts of things. A big guy on full assist has to be seeing rapid wear, no?
We mostly sold Bosch equipped bikes. Chain & cassette wear was not noticably quicker then what the same people experienced on non-assisted bikes. The chainrings however did wear much quicker.
Most of my customers would find themselves in the two lowest assist modes most of the time, we had one fellow who was a self admitted fat f*ck who usually sat in sport/turbo, he was replacing chains about 1.5 times as often as he was on his previous bike. However after a year on the e bike he was down nearly 100 lbs and found himself using the lower power modes.
My (xo1 11speed) drivetrain on my Levo, running 29” wheels has outlasted 2 motors... it’s on around 2500 miles I think, all conditions. Plan is to run it into the ground.
That's great for your drivetrain, but what's with the motors?!
swan3609 wrote:
And steel chain rings come OEM.
On e-bikes, yes. I'm saying everyone should be on steel rings and aluminum rings should be viewed in the same way as aluminum screws.
Bearings were a bit rumbly after 1700 miles, got it checked out, motor replaced. 800miles on the next one, torque sensor kept cutting out intermittently, so replaced motor. Only done a few miles on the new one.
Oh and a battery on off switch stopped working so had to replace the battery, out of warranty :-(
Not necessarily blowing apart, just chain elongation, sprocket wear ... the usual sorts of things. A big guy on full assist has to be seeing rapid wear, no?
We mostly sold Bosch equipped bikes. Chain & cassette wear was not noticably quicker then what the same people experienced on non-assisted bikes. The chainrings however did wear much quicker.
Most of my customers would find themselves in the two lowest assist modes most of the time, we had one fellow who was a self admitted fat f*ck who usually sat in sport/turbo, he was replacing chains about 1.5 times as often as he was on his previous bike. However after a year on the e bike he was down nearly 100 lbs and found himself using the lower power modes.
Major props to that guy,100 lbs in a year is huge. Good on him.
The drivetrain will absolutely wear faster. My drivetrain wears out way faster than my 1/2 as heavy wife who rides the exact same amount as I do. Also, you can assume that the emopeds will travel much further in the same time, therefore more wear. I agree with the comment that there is a selection bias in that many of the emoped customers will not be as aggressive or frequent of riders compared to someone like myself. This is of courses not a rule and there will be the odd hard core charger who decides they want an emoped but from what I have seen, this is not the target demographic.