Enduro/AM - The Weight Game

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Posted: May 29, 2020 at 16:17 Quote
Good for you, most people I know who've been in a serious crash with one either had the chin bar removed and crashed in a rolling terain, or the crashbar did not survive the crash. I Wouldn't trust one anymore then a half lid.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 16:27 Quote
My crash last year in a half shell resulted in a brain hemorrhage due to cheekbone impact into rock.

The chinbar of the super dh has padding directly over where I hit my cheekbone. Whether or not that would have saved me from my concussion, not sure, but surely having something padded between my face and a rock would have helped my case.

Less effective than a dedicated full face? Maybe. Useless, definitely not. If you crash not wearing it on rolling terrain well that sucks, but how many people are going to choose to wear a dedicated full face in rolling terrain?

The only people I know who have actually had to use the proframe chin bar in a crash, well it didn't 'survive' very well. The chinbar seems to rip off quite easily on those.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 16:55 Quote
gnarnaimo wrote:
No love for convertible lids? I'm very happy with my bell super dh.

Rode that old giro switchblade before it was what it was. Broke a few chin pieces. Never again

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 16:57 Quote
isaacschmidt wrote:
gnarnaimo wrote:
No love for convertible lids? I'm very happy with my bell super dh.

Rode that old giro switchblade before it was what it was. Broke a few chin pieces. Never again

That crazy old one from 20 years ago? That was sketchy at best.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 17:18 Quote
I have the 100% one and I like it. Fits my head well.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 17:48 Quote
My kids both use convertible Bells. I am sure having a chin bar on it is much better for their dental work than not having it. It’s a fairly solid piece with firm attachment.
As good as a proper DH helmet? No. Used instead of a proper DH helmet. No. It is used instead of a XC helmet.

I don’t use one because my mug can only be improved with a face plant on regular terrain. I do use proper DH if shuttling.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 17:54 Quote
I have had a 2 pretty huge crashes in my Super DH helmets.. And I didn't need dental surgery.. And I smoked my head/chin pretty dang hard.

2 years ago dad blew out one of his front teeth and blew a hole in his upper lip that he could stick his tongue through.. $9500, 2 new teeth and 25 stitches later he bought a 3R.

They may not be the end all, but I'd rather have my Super DH than not if I get off my trail bike at speed.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 18:00 Quote
whitebirdfeathers wrote:
isaacschmidt wrote:
gnarnaimo wrote:
No love for convertible lids? I'm very happy with my bell super dh.

Rode that old giro switchblade before it was what it was. Broke a few chin pieces. Never again

That crazy old one from 20 years ago? That was sketchy at best.

Haha, tells you how long I’ve been sick AF. On the same token, name a better option at the time.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 18:03 Quote
swan3609 wrote:
They may not be the end all, but I'd rather have my Super DH than not if I get off my trail bike at speed.

Ay.

Also, have a D3 for shuttling and/or park laps. The super dh is great for pedalling up for big descents without the chinbar installed, and pinning it down with a bit of added security.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 18:13 Quote
gnarnaimo wrote:
swan3609 wrote:
They may not be the end all, but I'd rather have my Super DH than not if I get off my trail bike at speed.

Ay.

Also, have a D3 for shuttling and/or park laps. The super dh is great for pedalling up for big descents without the chinbar installed, and pinning it down with a bit of added security.

Yeah.. I have 2 Full 9s as well for the resort riding and shuttling.. I don't waer the convertable helmet as a replacement for my full face.. I think about it as additional protection for my "enduro" helmet where I wouldn't grab my Full 9.


I have done 1 day of resort riding in my Super DH and that was only because I had forgot the Full 9 but had the convertable helmet in my car still.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 20:24 Quote
Same, my Switchblade is my trail helmet and my Disciple is my race/park/shuttle/jump helmet.

Posted: May 29, 2020 at 23:40 Quote
ajax-ripper wrote:
Good for you, most people I know who've been in a serious crash with one either had the chin bar removed and crashed in a rolling terain, or the crashbar did not survive the crash. I Wouldn't trust one anymore then a half lid.

If anything, I’d trust it less, you’d get a false sense of security from a full-face that won’t actually protect your face.
In an open-face helmet, I feel much more aware of the lack of protection and send it a little less accordingly.

Posted: May 30, 2020 at 0:36 Quote
nubbs wrote:
tom666 wrote:
Anybody tried both a Fox Proframe and/or a 100% Trajecta?

I'm going to treat myself to one of the two

From what I've read the proframe is more on the breathable/lightweight end of things - ~780g in a large, tonnes of vents.

The trajecta is more like 900g and slightly less vents, but probably provides a bit more protection.

Given that I already have a 100% Aircraft (proper DH lid) for days that warrant as much protection as possible, I'm currently leaning towards the proframe because it seems like a nice halfway house between a DH lid and an open face trail lid.

Anybody got any useful experience with either?

Proframe is legit. Comfortable and vented well. Fox's helmets are quite nice these days..

Have a look at this https://forums.mtbr.com/apparel-protection/fox-proframe-crashed-design-problem-material-defect-1104969.html

Posted: May 30, 2020 at 4:27 Quote
Riyadh wrote:
nubbs wrote:
tom666 wrote:
Anybody tried both a Fox Proframe and/or a 100% Trajecta?

I'm going to treat myself to one of the two

From what I've read the proframe is more on the breathable/lightweight end of things - ~780g in a large, tonnes of vents.

The trajecta is more like 900g and slightly less vents, but probably provides a bit more protection.

Given that I already have a 100% Aircraft (proper DH lid) for days that warrant as much protection as possible, I'm currently leaning towards the proframe because it seems like a nice halfway house between a DH lid and an open face trail lid.

Anybody got any useful experience with either?

Proframe is legit. Comfortable and vented well. Fox's helmets are quite nice these days..

Have a look at this https://forums.mtbr.com/apparel-protection/fox-proframe-crashed-design-problem-material-defect-1104969.html

Not great to see. Thanks for linking. In fairness though we have no idea how bad the crash was - it does sound like it was pretty bad. Could be that he faceplanted real hard straight on the chinbar going fast.

I think it's important to remember that these (the proframe, Trajecta, stage etc) aren't proper DH ready helmets. All they can be expected to be is better than an open face - and with any luck they'll be mostly as good as a proper full face in most situations.

Posted: May 30, 2020 at 7:08 Quote
I also believe in my full face if riding full on DH lines and days when I know the people I am riding with are passive. We dont have lifts here, so hike a bike often. For trail or enduro days I rock my super 3R, but wouldnt mind owning a super DH


 
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