Do-It-All Hardtail Thread

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Posted: Sep 26, 2019 at 13:54 Quote
Looking forward to seeing you at Rampage 2019 then lol

Brzzi wrote:
It can do it all.

Big Grin


Posted: Sep 30, 2019 at 7:02 Quote
Hi guys,

I would like to buy "do it all" hardtail and I would like to hear your advices since I am little bit stuck with selection of particular bike.

Basically I am looking for "hardcore hardtail" for xc/light trail riding. I know other types of bikes suit these needs better than rowdy hardtail with big front fork, but the thing is most of my life i have been riding bikes with trail (Giant Trance, Merida One-forty, Da Bomb xlr8 back in the day) and enduro geometries, I am used to these bikes, I like the feel, upright seating position, playfulness and so on, hence hardcore hardtail - I just feel home there. I dont mind I can be faster on 29er XC greyhound. I am 189 cm, little bit on a clyde side.

Bike will be used for XC/road pedaling trips (50 - 100 km long), flowtrails (not too gnarly stuff), winter fun/fitness bike and even commuting to work.

What would you recommend me? I dont need that extreme head tube angle or super progressive geometry, however having around 66 - 67 degrees saged HTA is natural for me, I guess seat tube angle should have around 75 degress since bike will be used for long pedaling trips, But other than that, I just dont know.

Here are some bikes I am thinking of, but I will be happy for your suggestions. I look for 29ers first, I guess for the intended use it makes more sense than 27.5. I dont mind the parts on the bikes now, I just need some direction/suggestions.

https://www.radon-bikes.de/en/mountainbike/hardtail/cragger/cragger-80-2019/ Not too extreme geometry, seems fine, only the seat tube angle is 74. Not sure if one degree will make big difference.

https://www.bird.bike/product/zero-29-shimano-12-speed-slx-xt-standard-hg-freehub/#configuration More progressive geometry than Radon. Not sure what does it mean in reality, none of the bike i can try before the buy. BB drop seems big, but it probably wont be problem for my riding style.

https://www.stantonbikes.com/product/switch9er-631-raw-uk/ Similiar geometry, steel is love though.

https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/soul Speaking of steel, this is another one which crosses mi mind. Effective top tube is so long though and I have zero experience with that, no idea how it will feel.

Thanks for any opinions and suggestions!

Posted: Sep 30, 2019 at 8:32 Quote
Theriak25 wrote:
Hi guys,

I would like to buy "do it all" hardtail and I would like to hear your advices.

https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/soul Speaking of steel, this is another one which crosses mi mind. Effective top tube is so long though and I have zero experience with that, no idea how it will feel.

Thanks for any opinions and suggestions!

I'd go Soul. I'm really happy with my Bfe i built up this year. I would have got a soul frame if it hadn't gone boost, as i wanted to use old wheels and cranks. The soul is supposed to be even more lively than the Bfe so i bet it's a hoot.

Posted: Sep 30, 2019 at 8:40 Quote
fielonator wrote:
Theriak25 wrote:
Hi guys,

I would like to buy "do it all" hardtail and I would like to hear your advices.

https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/soul Speaking of steel, this is another one which crosses mi mind. Effective top tube is so long though and I have zero experience with that, no idea how it will feel.

Thanks for any opinions and suggestions!

I'd go Soul. I'm really happy with my Bfe i built up this year. I would have got a soul frame if it hadn't gone boost, as i wanted to use old wheels and cranks. The soul is supposed to be even more lively than the Bfe so i bet it's a hoot.

I would go Cotic too, but based on the other bike mentioned being 29ers, I would look at the Solaris Max

https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/solarisMAX

THe bird looks nice, but I wouldn't want to ride long distances on an alloy HT.

Posted: Sep 30, 2019 at 9:54 Quote
Theriak25 wrote:
Hi guys,

I would like to buy "do it all" hardtail and I would like to hear your advices since I am little bit stuck with selection of particular bike.
Thanks for any opinions and suggestions!

Kingdom Vendetta X2 or the full custom one if you can afford

https://kingdombike.com/collections/hardtails

If you contact Kingdom they can usually offer you a good deal on frame+headset+Helm fork.
Nothing gets closer in terms of looks and ride feel than a good Ti HT. I have an X2 and its the most fun bike I have ever ridden. Even with a 160mm fork, it climbs really well and descends like a train. Everyone who tries the bike is always very impressed.

Read this and I can tell you they were right! (X2 has the same geometry just straighter/more cost effective tubes to lower cost for the buyer).

https://enduro-mtb.com/en/kingdom-vendetta-boost-review-beauty-beast/

or this

https://singletrackworld.com/2018/11/first-look-kingdom-vendetta-x2-versatile-titanium-hardtail-on-test/

Posted: Sep 30, 2019 at 10:19 Quote
I'm considering changing the fork length on my Norco Torrent Hard Tail from 140 to 150 or 160mm. I have a DVO Diamond so this is just an internal adjustment.

It's a 2016 Torrent that I built myself so it's not stock.

I'm looking for advice as to if this is a good or bad idea.

Downtube has some sweet rock

Posted: Oct 1, 2019 at 10:18 Quote
Winter bike bling!

Kingdom Vendetta LS


Posted: Oct 1, 2019 at 10:48 Quote
OneBanana wrote:
Nice ride, dude tup

Cheers man, not brand new but new to me and barely used. Will do the photo shoot thing soon but had to get her dirty right away. Big Grin

Posted: Oct 1, 2019 at 11:29 Quote
stoo61 wrote:
Winter bike bling!

Kingdom Vendetta LS


I do the same in winter! It is such an awesome bike...so capable and fun! Perfect bike really!
Love the full spec Vendetta’s with all the nice curvy tubes and details! ????

Posted: Oct 1, 2019 at 12:35 Quote
gbcarmona wrote:
stoo61 wrote:
Winter bike bling!

Kingdom Vendetta LS


I do the same in winter! It is such an awesome bike...so capable and fun! Perfect bike really!
Love the full spec Vendetta’s with all the nice curvy tubes and details! ????

You ride Helms too? Manage to get them set up....easily?

Posted: Oct 1, 2019 at 22:50 Quote
stoo61 wrote:
gbcarmona wrote:
stoo61 wrote:
Winter bike bling!

Kingdom Vendetta LS


I do the same in winter! It is such an awesome bike...so capable and fun! Perfect bike really!
Love the full spec Vendetta’s with all the nice curvy tubes and details! ????

You ride Helms too? Manage to get them set up....easily?

Never had Helms! Are those coil or air?

Posted: Oct 2, 2019 at 0:22 Quote
gbcarmona wrote:
stoo61 wrote:
gbcarmona wrote:


I do the same in winter! It is such an awesome bike...so capable and fun! Perfect bike really!
Love the full spec Vendetta’s with all the nice curvy tubes and details! ????

You ride Helms too? Manage to get them set up....easily?

Never had Helms! Are those coil or air?

Air. Reckon once I work them out they'll do the business.

Posted: Oct 2, 2019 at 8:11 Quote
stoo61 wrote:

Air. Reckon once I work them out they'll do the business.

Ive always heard they are a bit hit-and-miss, Marmite-forks... some people love them and some don't!
Maybe what you need is to send them to the great guys at TFTuned and let them do their work for you and bring them back to perfection as they always do!

Great wheels too btw...they never miss a bit and are super strong!

Posted: Oct 2, 2019 at 8:29 Quote
gbcarmona wrote:
stoo61 wrote:

Air. Reckon once I work them out they'll do the business.

Ive always heard they are a bit hit-and-miss, Marmite-forks... some people love them and some don't!
Maybe what you need is to send them to the great guys at TFTuned and let them do their work for you and bring them back to perfection as they always do!

Great wheels too btw...they never miss a bit and are super strong!

I'm running coil Helm forks and they're pretty good. You definitely benefit more from them if you're more aggressive, they're not really a sit back and cruise kind of fork, give them some hammer and they work as well as other brands. They take big hits really well, I'm not exactly light but the standard medium spring is plenty stiff enough.


 
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