Basic Full Suspension Types / Reference With Pictures

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Basic Full Suspension Types / Reference With Pictures
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flag theminsta
Posted: Jan 21, 2016 at 5:30 Quote
Yoger wrote:
Also i'd like to mention one of the most UNefficient bicycle suspensions ever made:
The "Unified Rear Triangle" or URT-suspension.
Are you trying to say URT is inefficient in general, or something specifically? Because it is literally the most EFFICIENT suspension design since pedaling forces are not inhibited or absorbed by the shock.
flag Yoger
Posted: Jan 21, 2016 at 22:50 Quote
theminsta wrote:
Yoger wrote:
Also i'd like to mention one of the most UNefficient bicycle suspensions ever made:
The "Unified Rear Triangle" or URT-suspension.
Are you trying to say URT is inefficient in general, or something specifically? Because it is literally the most EFFICIENT suspension design since pedaling forces are not inhibited or absorbed by the shock.
I meant it to be unefficient in terms of isolating the forces affecting the wheel from the rider. Sure it doesn't have pedal kickback etc. But if you're standing on such a bike while riding through some rock- or root-sections, your legs will get hit by every little piece of sh*t on your route.
flag theminsta
Posted: Jan 22, 2016 at 5:38 Quote
But that's why you have the rear triangle pivot close to the BB so the cranks don't move as much and the leverage at the rear axle makes the suspension move fluidly.
flag bootlegpegasus
Posted: Feb 5, 2016 at 16:22 Quote
Great article mate, really enjoyed reading it. So just for my clarity purposes, you put the lapierre spicy/zesty designs into the Horst category of linkage but after reading a few bits and bobs about the OST+ design, apparently it's affectively a Vpp according to lapierre?

The only reason I ask is that I want a base tune for my ccdb air but as cc don't have anything on the lounge I wondered whether to base it off a spesh or if Vpp a Bronson?

Cheers
flag Wolfdog
Posted: Feb 5, 2016 at 19:41 Quote
Great article, REALLY helped me out trying to identify different suspension designs, although I still have alot of unanswered performance questions.

I am interested in buying my 2016 Spec SJ Elite soon. It has an FSR/Horst linkage. I currently own a Ghost AMR 2955 also with a Horst linkage.

The differences come in how the shock is mounted. The SJ is parallel to the top tube where as the Ghost is vertically mounted. What performance difference would one expected moving the shock from vertical to parallel to top tube on a Horst linkage system? My guess would be less pedal bob and less large bump/ vertical drop compliance?

Edit: For anyone interested in learning more about the fundamentals of suspension design, check out this guys YT channel:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4tH8eqoJoZ-puE8n0kDNVdCuKL7ySEAv&feature=iv&src_vid=nld03wgcb70&annotation_id=annotation_29448535

He has some great explanations for those learning about it and it has really helped me out. He also does some basic suspension/frame comparisons. He explains his criteria of the simulations in one of his videos. It isn't perfect but it seems like a pretty accurate simulation.
flag skybluuzz
Posted: Feb 13, 2016 at 4:49 Quote
How about this bike linkage?
I'am interested to buy the 671 version, anybody can tell the pros and cons about this bike linkage design ?
Currently now i'am ride a Specialized Enduro Expert 06 I think it's good enough for me to handle my riding style and the local trail in my area

FYI this bike is came from the same country like Polygon
Patrol Mountain
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flag gsmitty806
Posted: Feb 15, 2016 at 7:56 Quote
skybluuzz wrote:
How about this bike linkage?
I'am interested to buy the 671 version, anybody can tell the pros and cons about this bike linkage design ?
Currently now i'am ride a Specialized Enduro Expert 06 I think it's good enough for me to handle my riding style and the local trail in my area

FYI this bike is came from the same country like Polygon
Patrol Mountain
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Those both appear to be horst/FSR link bikes like what specialized uses
flag Barkit
Posted: Mar 4, 2016 at 12:41 Quote
This is a very interesting serie of videos regarding leverage ratio and MTB rear suspension in general. It is really well explained and definitely worth a look if like me you try to make all this less of a mystery:
flag mjs1231
Posted: May 28, 2016 at 19:47 Quote
I see no mention of M-link

http://mlink.breezerbikes.com/technology/

I have the supercell team, its awesome, however the head angle is a bit steep and I feel link it needs a 140/160 fork on it instead of the 120.

M-link maybe the best design out there
flag Yoger
Posted: Jun 3, 2016 at 4:10 Quote
mjs1231 wrote:
I see no mention of M-link

http://mlink.breezerbikes.com/technology/

I have the supercell team, its awesome, however the head angle is a bit steep and I feel link it needs a 140/160 fork on it instead of the 120.

M-link maybe the best design out there
M-link is actually a funny type of suspension developed by Sotto Group (inventor - Luther MacBeale). Patent US9302732. There's a joke about it: When Breezer were renewing their model line, they wanted something new, so they asked Sotto engeneers to make it. Those were thinking something like this: "We need a 4-bar linkage, but long lower link is patented as Horst-link, Long upper link is patented by Chuck Dunlap, both short links are patented by Weagle, both long links are patented by Lawwill. Hey let's make the lower link neither short nor long and call it "Mid-link" or "M-link" LOL!". Actually it has all the backdraws both of Horst-link and DW-link suspension.
flag maxlombardy
Posted: Jun 5, 2016 at 15:40 Quote
Yeah I read a review of the breezer that was pretty lukewarm.

More and more I'm liking my Horst-link bike. You just lay off the brakes and loosen up a bit and let the bike do its thing. So much fun.
flag boyblue1973
Posted: Jun 13, 2016 at 12:11 Quote
I like my demo FSR so much, but I have a question, for deep drop offs like this...I bottom out my rear sus and hit my bum on the rear tires, any suggestions.


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flag Straight6Rocks
O+
Posted: Dec 29, 2016 at 22:01 Quote
Ohklee,

Thoughts on Brian Berthold's Kickstarter "Missing Link" project?
flag ohklee
O+
Posted: Feb 20, 2017 at 18:01 Quote
Straight6Rocks wrote:
Ohklee,

Thoughts on Brian Berthold's Kickstarter "Missing Link" project?

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It is a pretty interesting design, with only real limitation of travel options. Couldn't apply this to a DH bike. It is a ton of bearings to maintain too, but I bet it would make for a great climber.

 


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