Freethinker's Forum

PB Forum :: Pinkbike Groups
Freethinker's Forum
  • Previous Page
Author Message
flag chevette
Posted: Aug 11, 2013 at 19:55 Quote
First let's set down some ground rules... of course the pinkbike forum rules apply including;

-No spamming (this includes one-word posts/ "jotnote" posts)
-No linking to distasteful websites
-No swearing
-No flaming
-No distasteful pictures
-No vulgar posts, no nudity, no rude, crude or obscene pictures
-No soliciting in the thread
-No discussing about torrents/other forms of piracy
-No MSN style posts (please use proper words and grammar)
-No feeding trolls/inappropriate posts
-No talking about illicit/illegal activity

further to the above I will add - at the risk of more redundancy - the following;

- the poster is obligated to provide links in support of claims if not already presented and is asked to provide said support.

- these subjects will not be tolerated and the poster will be subjected to deletion of offensive post(s) as well as banning and will be reported to pinkbike for further action; illicit drugs, child porn, racism, libelous comments, threats against the well being and/or safety of others, bullying, discriminatory or derogatory comments against someone's gender, sexual orientation or age.

Everyone is welcomed, and that means everyone. I do not want to be forced to ban anyone so I ask that we all keep things on an even keel... I will use a warning system to offenders of all but the highlighted rules. Yes that does mean instant ban/deletion and reporting.

#MODS chevette #MODS
#BANS #BANS
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok so those are the rules... I will open this thread with a comment/question regarding 'faith'... a question regarding the 2045 initiative.... and looking for comments or ideas about where you would like to see mankind put far more effort into.

Why is it that all of the ancient religions - meaning all those that predated the current Judean-Christian-Islamic religions - are now considered to be nothing more than mythologies?
What makes the current religions "more real" than any of the now mythological ancient religions?

What can one say about the 2045 Initiative? Does anyone know what it is? If so what are your thoughts... if not click the link, check it out then give your thoughts.

I feel that mankind should be throwing far more resources into space travel and all the technology that supports it. What say you?
flag poah
Posted: Aug 12, 2013 at 9:03 Quote
Why is it that all of the ancient religions - meaning all those that predated the current Judean-Christian-Islamic religions - are now considered to be nothing more than mythologies?

because current religions have become more popular and are considered the truth by their followers even though there is absolutely no more proof for current religions than there is for ancient ones. In order for a religion not to be a mythology you need followers. all religions are designed to manipulate and profit from the people



What makes the current religions "more real" than any of the now mythological ancient religions?

only that they survive



What can one say about the 2045 Initiative? Does anyone know what it is? If so what are your thoughts... if not click the link, check it out then give your thoughts.

never heard of it before and not really something I am interested in



I feel that mankind should be throwing far more resources into space travel and all the technology that supports it. What say you?

space is interesting and we should learn more about it but there are better things to spend money on in this time of global recession. Space is what I consider basic science, it does nothing more than provide information without any actual end user uses for the most part. Basic science is good, its actually what I do but that sort of funding sadly is not easily got these days.
flag chevette
Posted: Aug 14, 2013 at 12:26 Quote
Greetings Smile


I agree with you regarding religion.... however, a month or so ago I would have posed a few defensive posts toward your statement.

2045 Initiative... fair enough.... I find it quite interesting, in spite that I feel it is aimed more toward the extremely wealthy... at least in it's current state. I suppose it is safe to say that it is not for everyone, no pun intended. Wink


I understand your view of space travel... if I may interject that many early advancements in global communications, computers, aviation, health sciences as well as their periphery were developed in sight of the Gemini and Apollo space missions. Not to forget the continued advancements in all those fields and some relatively new fields of study - that also take their roots in the space missions of yesteryear - and their developments such as microwave, cellular and robotics for instance. So I suggest that there is real potential for advancement of many current sciences, communications, travel, computers etc as well as a real potential for the development of new "end user" products and services that would stem from investment and support of space travel. Smile
flag James-Carey
Posted: Aug 15, 2013 at 4:42 Quote
All other religions are just a myth to those that don't believe them. The only reason for the religious not calling the other current religions mythic is due to the vast amount if overlap that to call them Mythical would be to dismiss their own religion.
flag KeGr
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 8:40 Quote
"James-Carey" = All other religions are just a myth to those that don't believe them.

...damn... thanks for pointing that out... captain obvious Razz


"James-Carey" = The only reason for the religious not calling the other current religions mythic is due to the vast amount if overlap that to call them Mythical would be to dismiss their own religion.

You don't pay attention to what's going on around you... do you.. Blank Stare


All current religions lay claim that they are the 'right' or 'real' religion by stating that all other religions are anywhere from misguided to outright fake... therefore .... each religion is claiming that all other religions are mythological on one level or another.
Ergo, they are dismissing their own religion, all while use many rationalizations and justifications to warrant their blatant hypocrisy. And the best part... the faithful rally behind and give credence to this inanely blatant hypocritical action.
flag James-Carey
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 10:35 Quote
wrong and mythical are different claims entirely...
flag poah
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 11:11 Quote
well religion is both wrong and mythical
flag Bmxerch
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 11:43 Quote
poah wrote:
well religion is both wrong and mythical

By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.
flag KeGr
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 21:12 Quote
James-Carey wrote:
wrong and mythical are different claims entirely...

Ok... so choose... are you saying it's wrong or it's mythology.
flag KeGr
Posted: Aug 19, 2013 at 21:17 Quote
Bmxerch wrote:
poah wrote:
well religion is both wrong and mythical

By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.

um... it seems to me that you, Bmserch, agree with poah... you're just saying it differently Smile ... unless I misunderstand what you are trying to say. Confused
flag poah
Posted: Aug 20, 2013 at 1:16 Quote
Bmxerch wrote:
poah wrote:
well religion is both wrong and mythical

By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.


until otherwised proved it is nothing but mythical and for it being wrong you only have to look at what the catholic chuch has done over the last 2000 years to subverse and control its "followers" and the rest of society to see that it is wrong. I think we all know what has been done in the name of Islam in the last 20 years and lets not forget the child sacrifices of the south American religions.

The only reason life is here is down to chance and evolution - there is no almighty plan for life. for most of use we are born, get into debt and then die probably of cancer or cardiovascular issues lol
flag James-Carey
Posted: Aug 20, 2013 at 2:08 Quote
Bmxerch wrote:
poah wrote:
well religion is both wrong and mythical

By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.


i refer you to my original quote where i said that to someone who believes in either a completely different strand of religion, or who is non religious its mythological, but to someone in a similar strand of religion say a Christian, they call judaism wrong as to call it mythical would be to call much their own bible mythical...
flag Bmxerch
Posted: Aug 20, 2013 at 5:57 Quote
KeGr wrote:
Bmxerch wrote:
poah wrote:
well religion is both wrong and mythical

By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.

um... it seems to me that you, Bmserch, agree with poah... you're just saying it differently Smile ... unless I misunderstand what you are trying to say. Confused

I'm saying there may be one "god" that put us (primates, any living life form) on earth, and left us here to learn and advance ourselves, rather than "gods" like Jesus Christ, for example.

I'm not totally trying to stir the pot, but I am at the same time... I do fully agree with poah, but at the same time, come in with a little more than that lol

There's no evidence that any modern religion god ever existed (that I've heard of, I don't get out much lol), meanwhile if we take fossils and compare them to one another, well shit, they're pretty damn similar to human structure,
flag KeGr
Posted: Aug 26, 2013 at 18:13 Quote
Bmxerch wrote:
KeGr wrote:
Bmxerch wrote:


By what means ? To come in and say that just to start a shit show, I mean come on.

Don't just say it, back it up like everyone else has been doing.

I'll say this, there's a reason that there's life here, but that was long before any "god" what's claimed to live and rule.

um... it seems to me that you, Bmserch, agree with poah... you're just saying it differently Smile ... unless I misunderstand what you are trying to say. Confused

I'm saying there may be one "god" that put us (primates, any living life form) on earth, and left us here to learn and advance ourselves, rather than "gods" like Jesus Christ, for example.

I'm not totally trying to stir the pot, but I am at the same time... I do fully agree with poah, but at the same time, come in with a little more than that lol

There's no evidence that any modern religion god ever existed (that I've heard of, I don't get out much lol), meanwhile if we take fossils and compare them to one another, well shit, they're pretty damn similar to human structure,

So... I am still not sure if I understand you... do you believe in a god or not... you seem to say you do, then you take it back by saying there isn't any evidence.

I am really confused by your comparison of "fossils" and how they are "pretty damn similar to human structure"... what fossils are you referring to?

btw... if there was ever any evidence to support any god, we would not be having this conversation.
flag mp-x
Posted: Sep 16, 2013 at 20:26 Quote
Allocating far more finance into furthering our abilities in interplanetary travel and exploration is a phenomenal idea. Too bad it has no instant monetary, property or power gain for those that carry greater than 45% of the planets money.
Never mind that everyone on Earth would gain in ways yet to be determined as a direct result of the technological advancements necessitated by this proposed exploration.
  • Previous Page

 


Copyright © 2000 - 2024. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved.
dv56 0.035323
Mobile Version of Website