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Posted: Sep 10, 2017 at 11:32 Quote
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.

Posted: Sep 10, 2017 at 13:53 Quote
PHeller wrote:
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.

For some reason I thought they did this on the '17 too, but I guess not. I'm probably going to jump on an '18 frame. I like my '15 a lot and the changes make sense. Might as well stick with it.. tup

Posted: Sep 10, 2017 at 15:28 Quote
PHeller wrote:
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.

I don't know, their geometry charts are all over the place. For the Meta V4, some charts show the STA as 74 degrees and others as 72. And if you look at the axle to crown measurements in the geometry chart, they're usually 10 mm shorter than the fork in the travel that comes stock on complete bikes.

My bet is that the frame is unchanged from '17 to '18.

Posted: Sep 10, 2017 at 15:37 Quote
Does anyone know what page the information about removing and installing frame bearings is? Doing a big overhaul this winter and I may need to get new bearings.

Posted: Sep 13, 2017 at 23:25 Quote
Removing and installing bearings is just that.

You'll need a blind bearing puller for the seatstay bearings at the dropouts

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 3:15 Quote
geting informations from them is really weird

you ask 2 guys and get 2 totally different answers to question Wink

I am not sure about their geometry charts either

DMal wrote:
PHeller wrote:
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.

I don't know, their geometry charts are all over the place. For the Meta V4, some charts show the STA as 74 degrees and others as 72. And if you look at the axle to crown measurements in the geometry chart, they're usually 10 mm shorter than the fork in the travel that comes stock on complete bikes.

My bet is that the frame is unchanged from '17 to '18.

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 3:32 Quote
According to the press release, they have increased the reach by 10mm (and shortened the stem by 10mm aswell)

But then the DH V4.2 was supposed to change, but other than the cable routing, it seems it's exactly the same frame

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 9:03 Quote
DMal wrote:
PHeller wrote:
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.



My bet is that the frame is unchanged from '17 to '18.

I disagree as they also went to a 170mm fork, and changed the head angle which is going to extend the wheelbase a little.

-2015/16 v4 is 1185mm (160mm fork)
-2017 4.2 is 1203-1205mm (depending on fork)
-2018 4.2 is 1215mm. (170mm fork)

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 9:09 Quote
PhoS wrote:
DMal wrote:
PHeller wrote:
Commencal is sneaking it past us, but the 2018 Meta v4.2 has stretched out a bit. The Large reach is 458, and the XL is 481. No change in seat tube length.



My bet is that the frame is unchanged from '17 to '18.

I disagree as they also went to a 170mm fork, and changed the head angle which is going to extend the wheelbase a little.

-2015/16 v4 is 1185mm (160mm fork)
-2017 4.2 is 1203-1205mm (depending on fork)
-2018 4.2 is 1215mm. (170mm fork)

2017 models had 170mm forks.

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 9:21 Quote
Stuuriaan wrote:
Removing and installing bearings is just that.

You'll need a blind bearing puller for the seatstay bearings at the dropouts

Is there a tool I can buy to install bearings that works well with the meta?

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 9:24 Quote
TheJD wrote:
PhoS wrote:
DMal wrote:




My bet is that the frame is unchanged from '17 to '18.

I disagree as they also went to a 170mm fork, and changed the head angle which is going to extend the wheelbase a little.

-2015/16 v4 is 1185mm (160mm fork)
-2017 4.2 is 1203-1205mm (depending on fork)
-2018 4.2 is 1215mm. (170mm fork)

2017 models had 170mm forks.

Right and the Lyrik is longer (a2c)

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 9:28 Quote
They're outright stating that they've made the bike longer. I retract my statement about '17 and '18 likely being the same.

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 10:07 Quote
PhoS wrote:
TheJD wrote:
PhoS wrote:


I disagree as they also went to a 170mm fork, and changed the head angle which is going to extend the wheelbase a little.

-2015/16 v4 is 1185mm (160mm fork)
-2017 4.2 is 1203-1205mm (depending on fork)
-2018 4.2 is 1215mm. (170mm fork)

2017 models had 170mm forks.

Right and the Lyrik is longer (a2c)

Longer than what?

We're talking reach. Reach has been extended for 2018, which also increases wheelbase.

Comparing Size Large Frames:
v4 2015/2016 - 150mm rear, 160mm front. 448mm reach.
v4.2 2017 - 160mm rear, 170mm front. 448mm reach.
v4.2 2018 - 160mm rear, 170mm front, 458mm reach.

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 11:28 Quote
PHeller wrote:
PhoS wrote:
TheJD wrote:


2017 models had 170mm forks.

Right and the Lyrik is longer (a2c)

Longer than what?

We're talking reach. Reach has been extended for 2018, which also increases wheelbase.

Comparing Size Large Frames:
v4 2015/2016 - 150mm rear, 160mm front. 448mm reach.
v4.2 2017 - 160mm rear, 170mm front. 448mm reach.
v4.2 2018 - 160mm rear, 170mm front, 458mm reach.

The V4.2 looks sick, but I love how my V4 climbs and am worried about the 160/170 on the new one.

Posted: Sep 14, 2017 at 12:01 Quote
I sized up to an XL (471 reach) from a Large (450 reach) and have my saddle slid as far forward as possible. It climbs like a dream (aside from being 32lbs).

It's slacker and longer than my previous bike with 140/160 travel, the longer chainstays and my position on the bike improving it's climbing. That's even with a narrower bar (same length stem).

I personally don't believe the "slack makes wack" climbing opinions. I think you could have a slack long bike that weighs 20lbs and it would climb like a rocket as long the rider was weighted forward.


 
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