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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 at 15:00 Quote
Matt115lamb wrote:
There’s loads of stories about COVID patients without proper insurance getting huge bills . USA is on the brink !

Yea the brink of finding the cure to save the world!!! Every system has its problems. Should we compare the stories of premiums going up on individuals during Obamacare and how people had to lower the quality of their insurance just to be able to afford their premiums every year?

Posted: Jul 28, 2020 at 15:36 Quote
This ain’t all about you guys , it’s a worldwide problem , socialism and capitalism have there problems but I think the Northern European countries have made a combination of both work best !

Posted: Jul 28, 2020 at 17:40 Quote
Matt115lamb wrote:
This ain’t all about you guys , it’s a worldwide problem , socialism and capitalism have there problems but I think the Northern European countries have made a combination of both work best !

I'm a Brit who got married and moved to the states. The mindset here is just completely different and made me realise how much more UK social attitudes have in common with other European countries than with the Americans. There is this strong belief here among a pretty large chunk of the population that society basically doesn't exist, no-one has any obligations toward their fellow countryman, and the ideal social state is every person (or family) for themselves. The idea that a country's population should feel a sense of duty to one's fellow citizen is just way weaker here. Reminds me of Brad Pitt's character in Killing Them Softly: "I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own."

I think it's mostly because for a long time, America had so much free land that for more than a hundred years of American history, any (white) person with half a lick of common sense and work ethic could become a freeholding farmer, work for himself rather than a boss, and provide a pretty good life for his family. Then Europe suffered two terrible wars which didn't destroy any American industry and American became the world's superpower and top industrial producer, and there were still a lot of stable well-paying jobs to go around. But now, it's been severely afflicted by industry going overseas and the result has been that the middle class has been hollowed out. "Just work harder and have a better work ethic" isn't goint to solve a problem as big as deindustralization in a nation of 330 million people, so they're left with no solution at all.

Posted: Jul 28, 2020 at 19:53 Quote
harriieee wrote:
Matt115lamb wrote:
This ain’t all about you guys , it’s a worldwide problem , socialism and capitalism have there problems but I think the Northern European countries have made a combination of both work best !

I'm a Brit who got married and moved to the states. The mindset here is just completely different and made me realise how much more UK social attitudes have in common with other European countries than with the Americans. There is this strong belief here among a pretty large chunk of the population that society basically doesn't exist, no-one has any obligations toward their fellow countryman, and the ideal social state is every person (or family) for themselves. The idea that a country's population should feel a sense of duty to one's fellow citizen is just way weaker here. Reminds me of Brad Pitt's character in Killing Them Softly: "I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own."

I think it's mostly because for a long time, America had so much free land that for more than a hundred years of American history, any (white) person with half a lick of common sense and work ethic could become a freeholding farmer, work for himself rather than a boss, and provide a pretty good life for his family. Then Europe suffered two terrible wars which didn't destroy any American industry and American became the world's superpower and top industrial producer, and there were still a lot of stable well-paying jobs to go around. But now, it's been severely afflicted by industry going overseas and the result has been that the middle class has been hollowed out. "Just work harder and have a better work ethic" isn't goint to solve a problem as big as deindustralization in a nation of 330 million people, so they're left with no solution at all.

It's true, long term trends here are very, very bad.

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