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Posted: Jun 11, 2019 at 14:56 Quote
jerry88 wrote:
Commencal Clash Race 2019

I've had my Clash Race for 3 months now.

Uphill

All I can say is that this bike is a beauty and a beast. Well, for a 15ish kg bike, of course, it is not an Ibis Ripmo on the climbs, but it will get you there faster than you might expect from the numbers. The lockout on the RS Super Deluxe gives a very solid platform and I could tackle anything from steep tech climbs to more mellow easygoing trails following some fast uphill sprinters.

Downhill

Things get truly exciting on the way down. Bike absolutely shreds. I come from a Trek Session 9.9 2018 and a Slash 9.8 2018. Both carbon, more expensive, lighter and each intended for "one" specific task. Surprisingly, I climb faster on the clash due to a steeper seat tube angle, I can tell there's a weight penalty but my position is better and I can stay with fresher legs for longer. I feel the clash is more stable at high speeds vs the Slash. I tend to be a very clean rider, not smashing everywhere but picking my lines; nonetheless, when plowing through rough stuff I can stand put the ability to stay in contact with the ground and helping me hold my line but most important, if i want to pop it in the middle of a rock garden, i just give'r a harder pull and that’s it, i find myself in the air. That was exactly what i was looking for on a bike.

I think it's very playful, but when smashing, just hold on to the bars and it will take you to the other side no problems. Every time I ride it I feel the bike has more and more to give. I wanted an air shock version thinking it might help with the weight right now I would not change the coil for anything. It gives the DH feel and keeps the sensitivity top notch. The fork performs amazing, it has been super easy to set it up, and I haven’t found myself wishing I had more clicks or lost between them. The only upgrade here will be to add a volume spacer. I am riding just as it came out of the factory rn.

In terms of the other components everything is what you pay for, I would say. Great value for $$. I really liked this model because of the Spank hoops. I’ve managed to destroy many rims in my career: DT, Bontrager, Stan’s, Easton, etc. Never a Spank. For me it was a deal breaker.
I’m also surprised with the brakes. This RE Guides have plenty of power and I don’t feel they fade easily with hard sustained descents. Somewhere I read that this RE’s are Electric bike specific and that they share more parts with CODE’s rather with regular Guides. Don’t know if this is true, but compared to the 4-5 past pairs of guides I’ve owned, this ones feel on point. Nevertheless, I just feel more comfortable with TRP’s so they will be an upgrade soon. Preference instead of necessity.

In terms of upgrades, I’m changing tires which have been the only weakness in this bike so far. Shcwalbes are too soft and in rocky sections I punctured 3 times in DH run because of the softer compound. I’ve seen notable wearing and I managed to get the tire out of the rim (with tubeless) in a very “not schralping” move too. Changing them por WTB’s Vigilante front/Judge back. Adding some huck Norris too just for the sake of extra rim protection. Tires feel super firm so I don’t think I will find myself with ripped tires.
Going for a full renthal cockpit. I find the bars to have a better geometry for me. Oh, and here I think it has another down point. It just comes with 31.8mm stems so to replace for 35mm bars, well, do the math… Installing a chainguide w/bashguard. No dropped chains so far but I want to protect the chainring since Im doing tons of DH and landing in the middle of a rock garden might be a good combo for breaking some teeth. Also gonna try the Nukeproof Horizon CL clipless pedals.

About any issues with the bike: couple of bolts from the linkage needed some tightening and used a little locktite o keep them secure. I barely use the two last cogs in the trails I normally ride so the rubbing part hasn’t been a problem but I’ll keep an eye. Also, no linkage bolts have affected any other parts. I just don’t want the tightening thing be a point to check out every single ride, but only time will tell. Changing gears is still sharp as new and the seat post performs with 0 issues.

I worked in a bike magazine locally, had the opportunity to test many, many bikes. Giant Reigns, Trek Slash, Pivots, Specializeds, Konas, Norcos, Rocky Mountains, Scotts, DeVincis you name it. This bike out performs every single one. Perfect mix for me and exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks for such a nice revie, which made me wanting to buy one immediately. Unfortunately this model (Clash Race) is not available at Commencal EU anymore, anyone knows if it will show up later?

Posted: Jun 12, 2019 at 14:54 Quote
well4eva wrote:
jerry88 wrote:
Commencal Clash Race 2019

I've had my Clash Race for 3 months now.

Uphill

All I can say is that this bike is a beauty and a beast. Well, for a 15ish kg bike, of course, it is not an Ibis Ripmo on the climbs, but it will get you there faster than you might expect from the numbers. The lockout on the RS Super Deluxe gives a very solid platform and I could tackle anything from steep tech climbs to more mellow easygoing trails following some fast uphill sprinters.

Downhill

Things get truly exciting on the way down. Bike absolutely shreds. I come from a Trek Session 9.9 2018 and a Slash 9.8 2018. Both carbon, more expensive, lighter and each intended for "one" specific task. Surprisingly, I climb faster on the clash due to a steeper seat tube angle, I can tell there's a weight penalty but my position is better and I can stay with fresher legs for longer. I feel the clash is more stable at high speeds vs the Slash. I tend to be a very clean rider, not smashing everywhere but picking my lines; nonetheless, when plowing through rough stuff I can stand put the ability to stay in contact with the ground and helping me hold my line but most important, if i want to pop it in the middle of a rock garden, i just give'r a harder pull and that’s it, i find myself in the air. That was exactly what i was looking for on a bike.

I think it's very playful, but when smashing, just hold on to the bars and it will take you to the other side no problems. Every time I ride it I feel the bike has more and more to give. I wanted an air shock version thinking it might help with the weight right now I would not change the coil for anything. It gives the DH feel and keeps the sensitivity top notch. The fork performs amazing, it has been super easy to set it up, and I haven’t found myself wishing I had more clicks or lost between them. The only upgrade here will be to add a volume spacer. I am riding just as it came out of the factory rn.

In terms of the other components everything is what you pay for, I would say. Great value for $$. I really liked this model because of the Spank hoops. I’ve managed to destroy many rims in my career: DT, Bontrager, Stan’s, Easton, etc. Never a Spank. For me it was a deal breaker.
I’m also surprised with the brakes. This RE Guides have plenty of power and I don’t feel they fade easily with hard sustained descents. Somewhere I read that this RE’s are Electric bike specific and that they share more parts with CODE’s rather with regular Guides. Don’t know if this is true, but compared to the 4-5 past pairs of guides I’ve owned, this ones feel on point. Nevertheless, I just feel more comfortable with TRP’s so they will be an upgrade soon. Preference instead of necessity.

In terms of upgrades, I’m changing tires which have been the only weakness in this bike so far. Shcwalbes are too soft and in rocky sections I punctured 3 times in DH run because of the softer compound. I’ve seen notable wearing and I managed to get the tire out of the rim (with tubeless) in a very “not schralping” move too. Changing them por WTB’s Vigilante front/Judge back. Adding some huck Norris too just for the sake of extra rim protection. Tires feel super firm so I don’t think I will find myself with ripped tires.
Going for a full renthal cockpit. I find the bars to have a better geometry for me. Oh, and here I think it has another down point. It just comes with 31.8mm stems so to replace for 35mm bars, well, do the math… Installing a chainguide w/bashguard. No dropped chains so far but I want to protect the chainring since Im doing tons of DH and landing in the middle of a rock garden might be a good combo for breaking some teeth. Also gonna try the Nukeproof Horizon CL clipless pedals.

About any issues with the bike: couple of bolts from the linkage needed some tightening and used a little locktite o keep them secure. I barely use the two last cogs in the trails I normally ride so the rubbing part hasn’t been a problem but I’ll keep an eye. Also, no linkage bolts have affected any other parts. I just don’t want the tightening thing be a point to check out every single ride, but only time will tell. Changing gears is still sharp as new and the seat post performs with 0 issues.

I worked in a bike magazine locally, had the opportunity to test many, many bikes. Giant Reigns, Trek Slash, Pivots, Specializeds, Konas, Norcos, Rocky Mountains, Scotts, DeVincis you name it. This bike out performs every single one. Perfect mix for me and exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks for such a nice revie, which made me wanting to buy one immediately. Unfortunately this model (Clash Race) is not available at Commencal EU anymore, anyone knows if it will show up later?

Stellar review thank you!

Posted: Jun 17, 2019 at 15:09 Quote
Has anyone had problems with water leaking into the frame ?? It's been a slight problem in the past with Commencal

Posted: Jun 19, 2019 at 3:51 Quote
Frame sizes - I'm 177cm and 82cm inseam and looking at buying a medium, interested to hear what frame sizes others have gone with who are around my height? Anyone my height riding a large and liking it? Coming off a 2015 medium Process 153, cheers.

Posted: Jun 19, 2019 at 8:02 Quote
bgmullan wrote:
Frame sizes - I'm 177cm and 82cm inseam and looking at buying a medium, interested to hear what frame sizes others have gone with who are around my height? Anyone my height riding a large and liking it? Coming off a 2015 medium Process 153, cheers.

I'm 180cm and ride a large. It is a great fit. Medium would be too small for me I'm sure.

Posted: Jun 19, 2019 at 8:25 Quote
bgmullan wrote:
Frame sizes - I'm 177cm and 82cm inseam and looking at buying a medium, interested to hear what frame sizes others have gone with who are around my height? Anyone my height riding a large and liking it? Coming off a 2015 medium Process 153, cheers.

I'm 179cm, short legs, long torso on a Large. Fits me well but I'm definitely near the sizing edge, mostly due to the stack height; I'm running a 40mm stem, slamset and 12.5mm rise bar with a single 5mm spacer.

Posted: Jun 19, 2019 at 12:49 Quote
bgmullan wrote:
Frame sizes - I'm 177cm and 82cm inseam and looking at buying a medium, interested to hear what frame sizes others have gone with who are around my height? Anyone my height riding a large and liking it? Coming off a 2015 medium Process 153, cheers.

I’m exactly the same height as you at 177cm and I’ve been on the medium clash for about a month now. No regrets for me on the medium frame. Fits larger than my 2015 medium attack trail did .

Posted: Jun 19, 2019 at 16:36 Quote
I’m 6 foot on a large. Almost feels a little small surprisingly, but its alright.

Posted: Jun 20, 2019 at 1:27 Quote
Thanks everyone, after checking all of the dimensions of the medium Clash are ever so slightly longer than the medium Process which I currently own, so I think the medium should be perfect. I just got a bit thrown off after speaking to a Commencal staff member and telling him my measurements and being recommended a large. Different preferences I guess. I can't wait to see the 2020 Clash Race and order that sucker, was told it should be available for pre order within the next week!

Posted: Jul 1, 2019 at 23:23 Quote
2020 models are up

https://www.commencal-store.com.au/PBSCCatalog.asp?ActionID=67174912&PBCATID=3718064

Looks like they're running 230x65 now making it 170mm in the rear.

Posted: Jul 1, 2019 at 23:55 Quote
I'm a little bit disappointed to see that the Race model doesn't come with coil shock anymore. Actually the Race model seems like not as good of a build as last year but it's more expensive. Can anyone fill me in on the Kinshock Ragei? I'm not familiar with this model, is it better/worse than the LEV Integra? Does it have roller bearings in it?

Posted: Jul 2, 2019 at 6:03 Quote
tkdbboy wrote:
2020 models are up

https://www.commencal-store.com.au/PBSCCatalog.asp?ActionID=67174912&PBCATID=3718064

Looks like they're running 230x65 now making it 170mm in the rear.

Wasn't it 230x65mm on the 2019 models as well?
On the german version of the homepage there are different specifications. In the tech chart (frame kit and complete bike) the 2020 frame has 165mm but in the spec chart they write 170mm. So don't know whats correct now. Maybe they changed something on the frame?

Hopefully they drop the price for the 2019 frame kit soon and I will order one.

Posted: Jul 2, 2019 at 11:11 Quote
Sad they didn't go with a XT drive train on the 2020 Clash Signature model. Would have been very interesting!

Posted: Jul 2, 2019 at 17:29 Quote
The Race model is $1300aud more expensive than the Ride model, but i can't see the value there, can someone correct me? Not being sarcastic at all, but i just haven't bought a new mtb in a few years so I'm out of the loop on the current componentry. I can see that the Race model has a better wheelset, but is the shock and fork that much better on the Race compared to Ride model? They seem very similar. Also exact same dropper, and brakes whilst different models both appear not great with no contact adjust, so I'd be upgrading them anyway. Thoughts? Definitely a nicer paint job on the Race model, but the difference in price would allow for some extra spending on better brakes etc

Posted: Jul 3, 2019 at 22:58 Quote
The 2019 was 230x60 which essentially is a 230x65 with a 5mm spacer in it.
Works the same with Capras and how their 160mm and 170mm models are different.

But what also doesn't make sense is that an extra 5mm stroke will give like ~10mm extra travel depending on the leverage ratio.

2019 vs 2020 race spec:
- Fork: Same tier (RC2)
- Shock : Now air ... personal preference I guess ... for a bike like this most would argue coil is more suitable
- Wheels: Slightly tougher Spank 359 over 350 BUT now comes with Spank hubs rather than Formula.
- Tyres: Same (MM/HD)
- Cockpit: Essentially the same (Ride Alpha)
- Brakes: Same (Guide RE)
- Drivetrain: Same (12sp Eagle GX with Descendant cranks)
- Dropper: Essentially the same (KS)
- Seat: Better than Ride Alpha

In summary: Component value wise , its pretty much the same for $700 price increase

The difference between the ride model is primarily less adjustments on your suspension (Lyrik RC and Super Deluxe R equivalents) , e13 rims on formula hubs, shit brakes (Guide T - put them in the bin) and slightly lower spec 12sp drivetrain (Eagle is finnicky enough for me at GX, not sure how an NX/SX setup will perform).

I'm in two worlds about whether the $1300 is worth it ... depends on how important the above is to you, taking into consideration you may be more likely to run into headaches with the wheels and drivetrain in the future. Not an easy answer unfortunately haha


 
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