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Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 5:41 Quote

This guy !!


I have ridden with him twos dozen times in the last 4 months, always on time with a great attitude. yea he's on an e bike but he is 75 years old so pedaling is particularly hard for him these days but he charges as hard as anyone I have ever ridden with.... 75

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 6:48 Quote
Hope to be like this guy at his age, truly living the dream.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 11:43 Quote
This is the purpose of ebikes IMHO. Elderly and people that have blown out their knees or like medical conditions. No way should younger people be riding these, laziness! Came out of trail onto the forestry road, and just about got ran over by a 20yr old on a ebike. I couldn't believe how fast he was going uphill with zero effort.....

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 12:09 Quote
razzle wrote:
This is the purpose of ebikes IMHO. Elderly and people that have blown out their knees or like medical conditions. No way should younger people be riding these, laziness! Came out of trail onto the forestry road, and just about got ran over by a 20yr old on a ebike. I couldn't believe how fast he was going uphill with zero effort.....

You can ride and put just as much effort into it on an ebike as you would a normal bike so calling someone lazy just because they are riding an ebike is a bit ignorant. Can you be lazier, sure, can you put just as much effort in and get way more laps (increased efficiency), also sure.

They are also a great way for trail builders to access terrain in remote areas where it would normally take hours to get to. More energy spent on building, less energy spent on getting to and from build site.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 13:18 Quote
I agree with the trail builder argument.

I guess if you turned off the power assist, you'd get a better work out than a normal bike. There is no way you put as much effort in as a normal bike..... you'll never convince me. When a normal biker is climbing at 5 mph and a ebike rider climbs at 20mph with way...way..less effort.

I'm just saying if you're young and health there's no legitimate reason to be riding a ebike! If you don't like putting effort into things, then maybe you should find another sport.....maybe like dirtbiking.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 13:35 Quote
razzle wrote:
I agree with the trail builder argument.

I guess if you turned off the power assist, you'd get a better work out than a normal bike. There is no way you put as much effort in as a normal bike..... you'll never convince me. When a normal biker is climbing at 5 mph and a ebike rider climbs at 20mph with way...way..less effort.

I'm just saying if you're young and health there's no legitimate reason to be riding a ebike! If you don't like putting effort into things, then maybe you should find another sport.....maybe like dirtbiking.

Pedal as hard on the ebike as you do on a normal bike, boom same effort. Pretty simple really. Have you ever tried an ebike? I like the idea of having one as a second (or third) bike for when I've already toasted my muscles but still want to get out and ride. Or if I'm short on time and want to get the same distance... Or for commuting so I can save my legs for later. Theres so many legitimate reasons, you'll never convince me otherwise.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 14:02 Quote
gnarnaimo wrote:
razzle wrote:
I agree with the trail builder argument.

I guess if you turned off the power assist, you'd get a better work out than a normal bike. There is no way you put as much effort in as a normal bike..... you'll never convince me. When a normal biker is climbing at 5 mph and a ebike rider climbs at 20mph with way...way..less effort.

I'm just saying if you're young and health there's no legitimate reason to be riding a ebike! If you don't like putting effort into things, then maybe you should find another sport.....maybe like dirtbiking.

Pedal as hard on the ebike as you do on a normal bike, boom same effort. Pretty simple really. Have you ever tried an ebike? I like the idea of having one as a second (or third) bike for when I've already toasted my muscles but still want to get out and ride. Or if I'm short on time and want to get the same distance... Or for commuting so I can save my legs for later. Theres so many legitimate reasons, you'll never convince me otherwise.

Sorry....I'm probably from a different generation then you, I don't mind the efforts it takes to climb on a normal bike.

I don't need instant gratification, if I only get one run so be it, and if my muscles are sore I'll take the day off, no big deal.

If everyone rode ebikes, imagine the trail damage then!

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 14:06 Quote
I live for the gratification of a difficult ride on my trail bike. This year I did a 80 km, 3000m ride...my biggest yet, and several other rides of similar difficulty/length. It's all on my trailforks log if you would like to have a look. That being said ebikes can grant me the ability to do more beyond that even, and if I want to, I can use my muscles just as hard and get exactly the same workout.

Everyone can't afford ebikes, and even if they could they don't do anymore damage than a normal bike. You can ride more which may lead to accelerated trail damage, but I must ask, what do you think the trails are there for? To look pretty and get as little use as possible?
As a trail builder I am stoked if someone used my trail more frequently, that's what I built it for. If it needs more work, I'll continue to fix it. And when I get my ebike, it will make fixing it alot easier.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 14:23 Quote
razzle wrote:
I agree with the trail builder argument.

I guess if you turned off the power assist, you'd get a better work out than a normal bike. There is no way you put as much effort in as a normal bike..... you'll never convince me.

https://bikerumor.com/2019/11/12/byu-study-suggests-e-mtbs-offer-almost-as-much-cardio-workout-as-regular-mountain-bike/

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 14:28 Quote
gnarnaimo wrote:
I live for the gratification of a difficult ride on my trail bike. This year I did a 80 km, 3000m ride...my biggest yet, and several other rides of similar difficulty/length. It's all on my trailforks log if you would like to have a look. That being said ebikes can grant me the ability to do more beyond that even, and if I want to, I can use my muscles just as hard and get exactly the same workout.

Everyone can't afford ebikes, and even if they could they don't do anymore damage than a normal bike. You can ride more which may lead to accelerated trail damage, but I must ask, what do you think the trails are there for? To look pretty and get as little use as possible?
As a trail builder I am stoked if someone used my trail more frequently, that's what I built it for. If it needs more work, I'll continue to fix it. And when I get my ebike, it will make fixing it alot easier.

Naw...I don't need to look at your trailforks log(unless that'll bring you some gratification)????

Congrats on that 80km ride, the feeling of accomplishment of biking that under your own power must've felt great!

So ebike is a richman's sport?! Please be gentle when you pass us peasants on our normal bikes!

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 14:54 Quote
razzle wrote:
gnarnaimo wrote:
I live for the gratification of a difficult ride on my trail bike. This year I did a 80 km, 3000m ride...my biggest yet, and several other rides of similar difficulty/length. It's all on my trailforks log if you would like to have a look. That being said ebikes can grant me the ability to do more beyond that even, and if I want to, I can use my muscles just as hard and get exactly the same workout.

Everyone can't afford ebikes, and even if they could they don't do anymore damage than a normal bike. You can ride more which may lead to accelerated trail damage, but I must ask, what do you think the trails are there for? To look pretty and get as little use as possible?
As a trail builder I am stoked if someone used my trail more frequently, that's what I built it for. If it needs more work, I'll continue to fix it. And when I get my ebike, it will make fixing it alot easier.

Naw...I don't need to look at your trailforks log(unless that'll bring you some gratification)????

Congrats on that 80km ride, the feeling of accomplishment of biking that under your own power must've felt great!

So ebike is a richman's sport?! Please be gentle when you pass us peasants on our normal bikes!

Nope, just felt you were putting me down because apparently you felt I needed instant gratification (somehow my generation is a deciding factor? Nice generalization btw) and if you take a look at my logs you would see that is clearly not the case.

It did feel great, I intend on continuing to grow stronger and making that number grow. In between maybe I'll take a ride on an ebike!

Ebikes (especially emtbs) are expensive, that's just a fact. Alot of people can't afford that. I choose to spend a very large portion on my earnings on my passion. Sorry if that somehow offends you.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 15:14 Quote
Good news! Everyone is correct!

• e-bikes are used by people who would not otherwise be able to do a satisfying ride.
• e-bikes are used by motivated riders who want to do a bike park day's worth of vert without a chairlift and love the challenge.
• e-bikes are used by unmotivated riders who want to do modest rides that could easily be done without assist, but they don't like the hard work.
• e-bikes do more damage to trails due to more torque, more speed, and more distance covered per ride, but they do one to two orders of magnitude less damage to trails than equestrians - and they don't crap on the trails.
• Lots of things in this world are expensive, but that doesn't make them intrinsically immoral.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 15:19 Quote
R-M-R wrote:
• e-bikes do more damage to trails due to more torque, more speed, and more distance covered per ride, but they do one to two orders of magnitude less damage to trails than equestrians - and they don't crap on the trails.

This to me is hugely important. The fact that a ton of trails have equestrian access and not even standard mob access is outrageous, especially when the main argument against mtb access is environmental impact.
The other outrageous argument against mtbs is that riders are dangerous to other trail users, meanwhile equestrians are sitting on large animals that could easily kill a fellow trail user if they get spooked.

If more grumpy old people left their horses in their stables (or in the wild, where they belong), and picked up an E-bike, i think everyone would be much happier.

Posted: Dec 7, 2019 at 15:22 Quote
Let's defeat the real enemy first, then we can bicker amongst ourselves!

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