2020 Specialized Enduro Thoughts

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2020 Specialized Enduro Thoughts
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flag demo7jumper
Posted: Sep 8, 2023 at 3:59 Quote
Mike172 wrote:
6 weeks into owning my 22' Comp and the rear of the bike feels and sounds horrendous.

Out of 4 different shocks (tuned TTX22m.2, tuned X2, stock '23 RS SD Coil, and the RX tuned RS Select) only the RS Select air feels ok, thats also the only shock thats 60 stroke, the remainder are 65. All of the other shocks all feel and sound like a bag of spanners. Like a linkage bolt isnt quite tight. The two coils feel notchy (like a compression circuit bump), the two air shocks break away without issue.

I've stripped down the entire linkage completely, had to replace 4 of the S&S bearings. There's no movement, everything's greased, torque'd up to spec and in order, and I've thread locked the bolts carefully. All linkage without the shock in place moves very smoothly and there's no

Shock's surely to blame. Odd that 3/4 are an issue and I cant detect ANY movement in the shock or the linkage. FWIW I also stripped down the drive train.

At a loss with this bike. I wish I never bought it as yet again its turned into another time consuming nightmare.

Sorry for your experience but you have some weird things, you have 3 shocks that are not the recommend size. it means that if you have the rs super deluxe coil, with the hbo, it will kick in the hbo much later in the travel and might feel strange. Specialized RX TUNE for the super deluxe air has little to no high speed compression, might feel nice but you have no support and ride on the last 30% of the travel. On the other hand TTX22M.2 is a very "heavy shock" very damped with a lot of compression, if it is not tuned right for you it will feel like it is stuck. When a shock has the right tune for it might feel strange on slow and cumbersome tracks, but when the terrain becomes fast and rough (what this bike is meant to do) you will have support traction and a well controlled damper for days
flag PabloMoll
Posted: Sep 8, 2023 at 10:31 Quote
Mike172 wrote:
6 weeks into owning my 22' Comp and the rear of the bike feels and sounds horrendous.

Out of 4 different shocks (tuned TTX22m.2, tuned X2, stock '23 RS SD Coil, and the RX tuned RS Select) only the RS Select air feels ok, thats also the only shock thats 60 stroke, the remainder are 65. All of the other shocks all feel and sound like a bag of spanners. Like a linkage bolt isnt quite tight. The two coils feel notchy (like a compression circuit bump), the two air shocks break away without issue.

I've stripped down the entire linkage completely, had to replace 4 of the S&S bearings. There's no movement, everything's greased, torque'd up to spec and in order, and I've thread locked the bolts carefully. All linkage without the shock in place moves very smoothly and there's no

Shock's surely to blame. Odd that 3/4 are an issue and I cant detect ANY movement in the shock or the linkage. FWIW I also stripped down the drive train.

At a loss with this bike. I wish I never bought it as yet again its turned into another time consuming nightmare.

That sucks but why are you running a special tunned ttx22m? I run a standard one, reduced the stroke to 60mm just in case and it’s best rear end I’ve felt. Crazy smooth and supportive (after I choose the right spring). There has to be something else going on with your bike. Maybe it’s a setting issue?
flag Mike172
Posted: Sep 9, 2023 at 0:38 Quote
PabloMoll wrote:
Mike172 wrote:
6 weeks into owning my 22' Comp and the rear of the bike feels and sounds horrendous.

Out of 4 different shocks (tuned TTX22m.2, tuned X2, stock '23 RS SD Coil, and the RX tuned RS Select) only the RS Select air feels ok, thats also the only shock thats 60 stroke, the remainder are 65. All of the other shocks all feel and sound like a bag of spanners. Like a linkage bolt isnt quite tight. The two coils feel notchy (like a compression circuit bump), the two air shocks break away without issue.

I've stripped down the entire linkage completely, had to replace 4 of the S&S bearings. There's no movement, everything's greased, torque'd up to spec and in order, and I've thread locked the bolts carefully. All linkage without the shock in place moves very smoothly and there's no

Shock's surely to blame. Odd that 3/4 are an issue and I cant detect ANY movement in the shock or the linkage. FWIW I also stripped down the drive train.

At a loss with this bike. I wish I never bought it as yet again its turned into another time consuming nightmare.

That sucks but why are you running a special tunned ttx22m? I run a standard one, reduced the stroke to 60mm just in case and it’s best rear end I’ve felt. Crazy smooth and supportive (after I choose the right spring). There has to be something else going on with your bike. Maybe it’s a setting issue?


Honestly, I thought it would be a good thing to do. FWIW I did reduce the shock down to 60mm, although that should make no difference.

Rode it last night and it felt decent but the bump/knocks there. Feels like its over extending.

If the bike is static its easy to grab the top tube and slam the rear wheel down and you get that lose linkage bolt feel. Seems to me like it does it on extension. Its like when you don't equalise your forks (kinda...)

Stripping the whole thing down today again and testing with different shocks, focusing on the BB and cranks etc.




demo7jumper wrote:
Mike172 wrote:
6 weeks into owning my 22' Comp and the rear of the bike feels and sounds horrendous.

Out of 4 different shocks (tuned TTX22m.2, tuned X2, stock '23 RS SD Coil, and the RX tuned RS Select) only the RS Select air feels ok, thats also the only shock thats 60 stroke, the remainder are 65. All of the other shocks all feel and sound like a bag of spanners. Like a linkage bolt isnt quite tight. The two coils feel notchy (like a compression circuit bump), the two air shocks break away without issue.

I've stripped down the entire linkage completely, had to replace 4 of the S&S bearings. There's no movement, everything's greased, torque'd up to spec and in order, and I've thread locked the bolts carefully. All linkage without the shock in place moves very smoothly and there's no

Shock's surely to blame. Odd that 3/4 are an issue and I cant detect ANY movement in the shock or the linkage. FWIW I also stripped down the drive train.

At a loss with this bike. I wish I never bought it as yet again its turned into another time consuming nightmare.

Sorry for your experience but you have some weird things, you have 3 shocks that are not the recommend size. it means that if you have the rs super deluxe coil, with the hbo, it will kick in the hbo much later in the travel and might feel strange. Specialized RX TUNE for the super deluxe air has little to no high speed compression, might feel nice but you have no support and ride on the last 30% of the travel. On the other hand TTX22M.2 is a very "heavy shock" very damped with a lot of compression, if it is not tuned right for you it will feel like it is stuck. When a shock has the right tune for it might feel strange on slow and cumbersome tracks, but when the terrain becomes fast and rough (what this bike is meant to do) you will have support traction and a well controlled damper for days

All of them have a 65mm stroke, they have just been reduced. Worst case I'd experience some odd behaviour in the final part of the shocks stroke.

TTX22 feels fine I must have a problem with the frame or linkage, it rides well and its smooth I can just hear and feel this knock.
flag Mike172
Posted: Sep 9, 2023 at 3:33 Quote
I know forum posting wont solve this but this is what I've got in case anyone ever has something similar. The 205x60 SD Select air is fine and doesnt do either of these things. Rides well enough and is silent.

Shocks are installed and torqued to spec in the correct order. There are no bad bearings or loose bolts.

Superdeluxe Coil - 205x62.5 - untuned out the box, serviced recently. Knocking that sounds like lack of pre load or a loose suspension linkage bolt. Bag of spanners to ride. Doesnt appear to over-extend.

https://youtube.com/shorts/y08TrOgRKOY


Ohlins TTX22 m.2 Coil - 205x60-65 (tried both). Tuned, feels ok to ride but definitely introduces knocking and vibrations into the frame, feels like its over extending and I've tried to show this in the video. I think thats where the problem is.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1hrvxj5WZoA



Ill double check with the people that tuned it, see if I can get it 'de-tuned' and then probably sell it and just stick with the SD Select.
flag Nobble
Posted: Sep 9, 2023 at 8:15 Quote
Are you running enough spring preload on those shocks? It could be the coil coming loose on the shock at full extension.
flag funboi-parisi
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Posted: Sep 9, 2023 at 10:38 Quote
Nobble wrote:
Are you running enough spring preload on those shocks? It could be the coil coming loose on the shock at full extension.

Beat me to it
flag Mike172
Posted: Sep 9, 2023 at 15:20 Quote
Yeah I am, tried applying more than needed too

There's absolutely nothing other than the shocks themselves that would cause this

Absolutely absurd
flag demo7jumper
Posted: Sep 10, 2023 at 4:03 Quote
Mike172 wrote:
Yeah I am, tried applying more than needed too

There's absolutely nothing other than the shocks themselves that would cause this

Absolutely absurd
How about the flip switch? the bushing may be ovalized
flag Mike172
Posted: Sep 10, 2023 at 23:52 Quote
demo7jumper wrote:
Mike172 wrote:
Yeah I am, tried applying more than needed too

There's absolutely nothing other than the shocks themselves that would cause this

Absolutely absurd
How about the flip switch? the bushing may be ovalized

Checked it, put ptfe tape round the flip chip in case there was any play.

I've put tape round the coil to remove any play.

Ride it again last night and I'm convinced the rebound tune it has it too high. Just wants to over extend as though the stroke is 67.5mm or something, it also rattles through the frame like a bag of spanners.

Going to get it sent back, detuned and checked over. Thanks all, its definitely the shock at fault, frustrating as with all the problems that RS and Fox have I thought ohlins would be solid.
flag lister11
Posted: Sep 11, 2023 at 12:37 Quote
In 2023. Is this still a worthy buy?

S3 Enduro comp. 2022.
Can get new from the shop for £2999 (uk).

Grey or red.

Surely that's a bargain still?

With the cycle scheme via work its actually £2250 total.

And if it does need a warranty down thr line....might end up with a new model (assuming 2024 release...).

I have a 130mm trail bike. A Saracen Ariel 30 Pro mullet. Its fantastic. I've been using it to race as its so much more capabale than the travel suggests. But its definately underbiked somw of the time.
So wanted a big bike for stuff too.
flag Mike172
Posted: Sep 12, 2023 at 7:17 Quote
lister11 wrote:
In 2023. Is this still a worthy buy?

S3 Enduro comp. 2022.
Can get new from the shop for £2999 (uk).

Grey or red.

Surely that's a bargain still?

With the cycle scheme via work its actually £2250 total.

And if it does need a warranty down thr line....might end up with a new model (assuming 2024 release...).

I have a 130mm trail bike. A Saracen Ariel 30 Pro mullet. Its fantastic. I've been using it to race as its so much more capabale than the travel suggests. But its definately underbiked somw of the time.
So wanted a big bike for stuff too.

I did the same, wanted a frame but the Comp full bike was cheaper.

Its a big old bitch so make sure you're ok with that, I dont ride anything that doesnt have a downward facing gradient on it. Switchbacks aren't great but I was used to it coming from a S4 Levo. Seat angle could be steeper, but the anti squat is so good its really not that bad to pedal up steep stuff. Oddly efficient until you want to get out the saddle and put the power down.

Other than the previous generation Specialized problems (no UDH, crap integrated headset which for some reason is a real pain, I dont think the rear brake mounts are 100% level and these are all problems present on my 2019 Stumpy, and ALL problems rectified by specialized in their current generation of frames) its fine, the Comp build is meh - GX is fine, Code RS is fine, the Superdeluxe Select is actually really good, the Zebb select is a bit meh, defo lacks decent small bump, it reminds me of a stiffer Pike. Wheels are meh.

In comp spec it'll do for a while.
flag marshallthewolf
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Posted: Sep 12, 2023 at 8:24 Quote
lister11 wrote:
In 2023. Is this still a worthy buy?

S3 Enduro comp. 2022.
Can get new from the shop for £2999 (uk).

Grey or red.

Surely that's a bargain still?

With the cycle scheme via work its actually £2250 total.

And if it does need a warranty down thr line....might end up with a new model (assuming 2024 release...).

I have a 130mm trail bike. A Saracen Ariel 30 Pro mullet. Its fantastic. I've been using it to race as its so much more capabale than the travel suggests. But its definately underbiked somw of the time.
So wanted a big bike for stuff too.

I went for a frame up build in Feb of this year and have been absolutely loving the bike over the last 600 miles or so. Its a big bike and definitely no fun on cross country style trails but it seems like you have another bike for that.

For a big bike it pedals great and is still plenty poppy on jumps! Tech and steeps is where it thrives imo
flag lister11
Posted: Sep 12, 2023 at 11:49 Quote
Dig up from the past.

Did you try this one?
Has anyone else?
Looks a direct copy of the WRP for less....

DarenDeath wrote:
I'm looking for anyone that has tried this 27.5 rear link. It is made by a UK maker, Coggan
https://cogganbillet.com/products/specialized-enduro-mullet-linkage-yoke

Thanks for the feedback (above).
For the price I think I'll get it.

Then aim to upgrade the Zeb damper to 3.0 and maybe Mullet it on a ex511.


Annnnd change them tires!
flag gkawamura2000
Posted: Sep 12, 2023 at 18:42 Quote
Mike172 wrote:
I know forum posting wont solve this but this is what I've got in case anyone ever has something similar. The 205x60 SD Select air is fine and doesnt do either of these things. Rides well enough and is silent.

Shocks are installed and torqued to spec in the correct order. There are no bad bearings or loose bolts.

Superdeluxe Coil - 205x62.5 - untuned out the box, serviced recently. Knocking that sounds like lack of pre load or a loose suspension linkage bolt. Bag of spanners to ride. Doesnt appear to over-extend.

https://youtube.com/shorts/y08TrOgRKOY


Ohlins TTX22 m.2 Coil - 205x60-65 (tried both). Tuned, feels ok to ride but definitely introduces knocking and vibrations into the frame, feels like its over extending and I've tried to show this in the video. I think thats where the problem is.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1hrvxj5WZoA



Ill double check with the people that tuned it, see if I can get it 'de-tuned' and then probably sell it and just stick with the SD Select.

I'd recommend taking it to a suspension expert. I've heard sometimes with the ttx coil the ifp pressure was too low. I'm sure a suspension shop could tell you the issue.
flag marshallthewolf
O+
Posted: Sep 13, 2023 at 8:55 Quote
lister11 wrote:
Dig up from the past.

Did you try this one?
Has anyone else?
Looks a direct copy of the WRP for less....

DarenDeath wrote:
I'm looking for anyone that has tried this 27.5 rear link. It is made by a UK maker, Coggan
https://cogganbillet.com/products/specialized-enduro-mullet-linkage-yoke

Thanks for the feedback (above).
For the price I think I'll get it.

Then aim to upgrade the Zeb damper to 3.0 and maybe Mullet it on a ex511.


Annnnd change them tires!

I have a mullet link from Rhode Fabrication. Very similar to the one you posted above except it comes from the US. People have told me maybe Rhode was the first to make that link instead of WRP? I have no clue but WRPs price is insane, considering specialized sells the original link for $30.

It's nice to have the option for mullet. Mullet is defo more playful and 29er much faster, been racing my bike 29 for enduros

 


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