When people just don't know what they don't know......
Yes enlighten us
There's literally 5 examples listed above that would have destroyed any other derailleur.
I have more examples of my saint surviving, so what? *edit You have to test back to back under the same conditions to be sure that no other derailleur won't survive. So nope that won't do it
If nothing else, the cage on AXS is slightly shorter and more secluded than on regular eagle. Making it less likely to get caught on things and a smaller target for hits.
There's literally 5 examples listed above that would have destroyed any other derailleur.
I have more examples of my saint surviving, so what? *edit You have to test back to back under the same conditions to be sure that no other derailleur won't survive. So nope that won't do it
Now you're comparing a downhill specific derailleur to a 12 speed trail/enduro derailleur?
If nothing else, the cage on AXS is slightly shorter and more secluded than on regular eagle. Making it less likely to get caught on things and a smaller target for hits.
Good lord. adespotoskyli really is a bit of a nut job. Your constant trolling here is alarming. You just sound like a stuck record constantly talking the same old bull shit. Its mental that you are STILL coming to this thread repeating yourself.
I think you've just got axs envy and cant admit it.
There's literally 5 examples listed above that would have destroyed any other derailleur.
I have more examples of my saint surviving, so what? *edit You have to test back to back under the same conditions to be sure that no other derailleur won't survive. So nope that won't do it
Now you're comparing a downhill specific derailleur to a 12 speed trail/enduro derailleur?
I use a saint on my enduro, it works as it should, takes quite the beating and it's cheap. What's your issue with the labeling if it gets the job done?
I have more examples of my saint surviving, so what? *edit You have to test back to back under the same conditions to be sure that no other derailleur won't survive. So nope that won't do it
Now you're comparing a downhill specific derailleur to a 12 speed trail/enduro derailleur?
I use a saint on my enduro, it works as it should, takes quite the beating and it's cheap. What's your issue with the labeling if it gets the job done?
It's not "labeling." It's specifically designed for downhill abuse on downhill bikes and doesn't take weight or a larger gear range into consideration. People don't want to be pushing a 32/36 gear combo up climbs on their normal rides especially if they're riding a 29er.
Get your Saint to handle a 50t cassette and you'll have some grounds for bashing AXS. Besides that you still have exactly no data to which one is more durable either way. AXS has clearly shown to be more durable than a typical 11 or 12 speed long cage derailleur.
But tbh 50t cassettes especially with only a 32t chainring are friggin pointless imo, I don't even use all the range on my 11 speed cassette. Honestly who needs 32t up front and 50 at the back, by the time you are at 42t on the back you are already going slower than just getting off and pushing whilst spinning like a mad man raising your heart rate. When people say you are better getting off and pushing they aren't just having a joke, it's literally true, at that ratio you really 'are' better getting off and pushing. Like seriously that ratio could winch you up a wall vertically.
But tbh 50t cassettes especially with only a 32t chainring are friggin pointless imo, I don't even use all the range on my 11 speed cassette. Honestly who needs 32t up front and 50 at the back, by the time you are at 42t on the back you are already going slower than just getting off and pushing whilst spinning like a mad man raising your heart rate. When people say you are better off getting off and pushing they aren't just having a joke, it's literally true, at the ratio you really 'are' better getting off and pushing. Like seriously that ratio could winch you up a wall vertically.
I haven't upgraded to 12 speed yet so I'm running 11-46 with a 30t chain ring on a 650B wheel set. I would absolutely be using a 50t if I had it especially on a 29er.
I also ride with a CAT1 XC racer who in his age group qualified for and raced in the UCI World Cup finals at Snowshoe in 2019. He rides a 10-50t cassette with a 32t chain ring. He uses the 50t all the time.
in a lot of cases you'll be faster on a climb if you stay on the bike but i would agree, 32/50 is slower than walking and kinda dumb, even now i hardly ever use the 42t ring and we have some heinous fire road climbs around here.
I feel like sram (and then shimano) released these enormous 50/51/52 tooth cassettes to allow for people with worse fitness levels to get on mountain bikes, and in turn bring more profit to those companies. i have yet to see any of shimano's EWS racers use the 51t cassette over the 45t version. that being said, i'm probably going to pick up an axs derailleur and shifter set, and an e13 9-46 cassette. the gear ratio of my current 32/42 is 0.76, and a 34/46 is 0.74 so i should get the benefits of axs and a bigger chainring, without the extra weight of a 50+ tooth cog that i won't even use.
What makes you think axs is stronger than a gx or a xo1? As far I'm concerned, no one justified how it is better than a xo1 eagle let alone how it will take a hit.
How it takes a hit is the one obvious advantage. The motor gearbox in the derailleur disengages allowing the derailleur to move without damaging the internals during impact.
The reason it disengages is not to protect the internals from the hits but rather a way to counteract the locking function of the mech because it lacks the spring and cable of a regular mech, a cable actuated mech when gets hit it moves away as the only thing that resists hits it's the spring, which isn't strong enough to damage the mech, the resistance of the spring is the one that you feel when you go up to the larger cogs. What damages a rear mech when gets hit is when the mech moves to the point of hitting the cassette or when the side slack of the chain is reached, then you bend the hanger and maybe damage the mechs cage or main body. The rest damage scenarios apply tas basically both work the same way minus the shifter cable.
Yeah I got my info direct from sram. Just like the fact that the axs cage is 10mm shorter than the standard eagle cage is, showing for more chain wrap and more ground clearance. Please enlighten us on your god-like riding capabilities not needing those benefits and how they are actually a hindrance to shift quality, mud shedding and the like.
Now you're comparing a downhill specific derailleur to a 12 speed trail/enduro derailleur?
I use a saint on my enduro, it works as it should, takes quite the beating and it's cheap. What's your issue with the labeling if it gets the job done?
It's not "labeling." It's specifically designed for downhill abuse on downhill bikes and doesn't take weight or a larger gear range into consideration. People don't want to be pushing a 32/36 gear combo up climbs on their normal rides especially if they're riding a 29er.
Get your Saint to handle a 50t cassette and you'll have some grounds for bashing AXS. Besides that you still have exactly no data to which one is more durable either way. AXS has clearly shown to be more durable than a typical 11 or 12 speed long cage derailleur.
I run 11-45 cassette and it runs absolutely fine. I don't have any data thus I did not make any claims that is more durable than any axs or other rear mech, I precicely asked why someone thinks axs will survive anything more than his previously 3 gx didn't manage. How exactly is shown that axs is more durable? Anectodal stories? . Mine survived so far so what?
Axs is heavier than a mech der that is 3 times cheaper, but I don't count grams anyway. Especially where doesn't matter.
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