Shigura brakes

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021 at 6:42 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
Oh yea forgot to say I got my calipers on Ebay but unused where someone just wanted the levers so I was lucky and got hoses ect... I think if you buy from a shop you have to buy the hoses seperately. So what you need is....
1. Magura calipers
2. Potentially Magura / Trickstuff brake pads
3. Shimano levers
4.Magura hoses
5.Shimano Olive
6.Magura barb
7. Shimano bolt thing, dunno what it's called but it's the black bolt you tighten when compressing the olive, for some stupid reason Shimano levers don't come with that part...

Bleed kit, so a Shimano bleed cup for the lever end, then I bought Maguras own bleed/ maintenance kit so I could get the barbs and threaded bleed nipple ect in the kit....

I saved myself a bit of money by finding the calipers with hoses ect and deals on a few bits... It may turn out a bit more expensive and a faff hunting parts but if you want links to all the parts you need ect I'm happy to help you out.

Thanks pal. You’ve been very helpful! It looks like the most cost effective way is to buy a mt5 brake and a new set of xt or xtr levers!

Posted: Jan 3, 2021 at 7:06 Quote
cliffdog wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
Oh yea forgot to say I got my calipers on Ebay but unused where someone just wanted the levers so I was lucky and got hoses ect... I think if you buy from a shop you have to buy the hoses seperately. So what you need is....
1. Magura calipers
2. Potentially Magura / Trickstuff brake pads
3. Shimano levers
4.Magura hoses
5.Shimano Olive
6.Magura barb
7. Shimano bolt thing, dunno what it's called but it's the black bolt you tighten when compressing the olive, for some stupid reason Shimano levers don't come with that part...

Bleed kit, so a Shimano bleed cup for the lever end, then I bought Maguras own bleed/ maintenance kit so I could get the barbs and threaded bleed nipple ect in the kit....

I saved myself a bit of money by finding the calipers with hoses ect and deals on a few bits... It may turn out a bit more expensive and a faff hunting parts but if you want links to all the parts you need ect I'm happy to help you out.

Thanks pal. You’ve been very helpful! It looks like the most cost effective way is to buy a mt5 brake and a new set of xt or xtr levers!

Yea that will be the easiest option, then all you will need is Magura brake discs, Shimano bleed cup, oil and the Shimano compression nuts.

Posted: Jan 4, 2021 at 19:26 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
cliffdog wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
Oh yea forgot to say I got my calipers on Ebay but unused where someone just wanted the levers so I was lucky and got hoses ect... I think if you buy from a shop you have to buy the hoses seperately. So what you need is....
1. Magura calipers
2. Potentially Magura / Trickstuff brake pads
3. Shimano levers
4.Magura hoses
5.Shimano Olive
6.Magura barb
7. Shimano bolt thing, dunno what it's called but it's the black bolt you tighten when compressing the olive, for some stupid reason Shimano levers don't come with that part...

Bleed kit, so a Shimano bleed cup for the lever end, then I bought Maguras own bleed/ maintenance kit so I could get the barbs and threaded bleed nipple ect in the kit....

I saved myself a bit of money by finding the calipers with hoses ect and deals on a few bits... It may turn out a bit more expensive and a faff hunting parts but if you want links to all the parts you need ect I'm happy to help you out.

Thanks pal. You’ve been very helpful! It looks like the most cost effective way is to buy a mt5 brake and a new set of xt or xtr levers!

Yea that will be the easiest option, then all you will need is Magura brake discs, Shimano bleed cup, oil and the Shimano compression nuts.

So can you run shimano oil or does it have to be Magura?

Posted: Jan 5, 2021 at 2:56 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
cliffdog wrote:


Thanks pal. You’ve been very helpful! It looks like the most cost effective way is to buy a mt5 brake and a new set of xt or xtr levers!

Yea that will be the easiest option, then all you will need is Magura brake discs, Shimano bleed cup, oil and the Shimano compression nuts.

So can you run shimano oil or does it have to be Magura?

Either, I run Shimano myself.

Posted: Jan 17, 2021 at 12:13 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
So I've put together my first set of Shiguras and all I can say is wow, these brakes have an incredible amount of power combined with Shimano ergonomics it's the best brake I have ever owned by miles. I did have an issue bleeding that I haven't figured out, as I was pushing fluid up from the caliper to the lever into the shimano cup a couple bubbles appeared and then everything went fine. The trouble was when sucking the oil back down out of the caliper just streams and streams off bubbles appeared and woukld not stop even after 30mins trying. I am hoping it is an issue with the bleed nipple not having an o ring or air getting into the tubing somehow rather than an air leak in the caliper as there is definitely air getting in sonmewhere and crackling noise but I just couldn't figure out where. I didn't want to risk submerging the caliper in water in case it drew water in. However aside from this issue I still can't figure out, I did a final bleed upwards pushing the fluid to the lever with no air bubbles, squoze the lever a few times, removed the bleed block and fitted the wheel and gave them a bash. All seemed to be working nice, firm lever and after just a couple hard pulls while coasting I was already locking up the front wheel weighted. These things have immense power, more power before bedding in than most brakes have after a week of bedding in, they are way more powerful than my Hope v4's, and noticeably more powerful than my previous 4 pot xtr's. After trying these I don't know why anyone would need a brake like the Trickstuff Maxima power wise because these things will lock the front wheel on tarmac at 20mph with ease. So if you have been on the fence about trying it all I can say is do it, they will be the best brakes you have ever owned. These are my favourite bit of the whole build, and this is coming from someone has fitted a ZEB and PUSH 11/6 and is not overly impressed lol. My only regret is they don't have the bling of my orange V4's, but the performance difference is night and day so I'm well happy.

Hey man so i read your post and it made me curious so i purchased a MT5 brake and a XTR 9020 lever.. Im not finding any step by step videos that make much sense or go into detail on how they set this up. Where did you learn the steps to do this?? If you feel like you could give a step by step instruction on how to do this on here then thatd be pretty awesome too!

Posted: Jan 17, 2021 at 12:52 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
So I've put together my first set of Shiguras and all I can say is wow, these brakes have an incredible amount of power combined with Shimano ergonomics it's the best brake I have ever owned by miles. I did have an issue bleeding that I haven't figured out, as I was pushing fluid up from the caliper to the lever into the shimano cup a couple bubbles appeared and then everything went fine. The trouble was when sucking the oil back down out of the caliper just streams and streams off bubbles appeared and woukld not stop even after 30mins trying. I am hoping it is an issue with the bleed nipple not having an o ring or air getting into the tubing somehow rather than an air leak in the caliper as there is definitely air getting in sonmewhere and crackling noise but I just couldn't figure out where. I didn't want to risk submerging the caliper in water in case it drew water in. However aside from this issue I still can't figure out, I did a final bleed upwards pushing the fluid to the lever with no air bubbles, squoze the lever a few times, removed the bleed block and fitted the wheel and gave them a bash. All seemed to be working nice, firm lever and after just a couple hard pulls while coasting I was already locking up the front wheel weighted. These things have immense power, more power before bedding in than most brakes have after a week of bedding in, they are way more powerful than my Hope v4's, and noticeably more powerful than my previous 4 pot xtr's. After trying these I don't know why anyone would need a brake like the Trickstuff Maxima power wise because these things will lock the front wheel on tarmac at 20mph with ease. So if you have been on the fence about trying it all I can say is do it, they will be the best brakes you have ever owned. These are my favourite bit of the whole build, and this is coming from someone has fitted a ZEB and PUSH 11/6 and is not overly impressed lol. My only regret is they don't have the bling of my orange V4's, but the performance difference is night and day so I'm well happy.

Hey man so i read your post and it made me curious so i purchased a MT5 brake and a XTR 9020 lever.. Im not finding any step by step videos that make much sense or go into detail on how they set this up. Where did you learn the steps to do this?? If you feel like you could give a step by step instruction on how to do this on here then thatd be pretty awesome too!

M9020 or M9120 levers? Did you buy the Shimano compression nut, olive and Magura barbs?

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Posted: Jan 17, 2021 at 14:48 Quote
excuse my ignorance but I'm curious here...

From my experience with Shimano brakes, the issues I've had have been less in the caliper and more in the lever... the floating bite point and the disintegrating piston seals in 8000 series levers being the main issues.
Sure the power on the single pot caliper leaves room for improvement but for me that was not the biggest issue.

ive since switched to Hope on both of my MTB's but am still curious on this Shigura setup

Posted: Jan 17, 2021 at 18:39 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
So I've put together my first set of Shiguras and all I can say is wow, these brakes have an incredible amount of power combined with Shimano ergonomics it's the best brake I have ever owned by miles. I did have an issue bleeding that I haven't figured out, as I was pushing fluid up from the caliper to the lever into the shimano cup a couple bubbles appeared and then everything went fine. The trouble was when sucking the oil back down out of the caliper just streams and streams off bubbles appeared and woukld not stop even after 30mins trying. I am hoping it is an issue with the bleed nipple not having an o ring or air getting into the tubing somehow rather than an air leak in the caliper as there is definitely air getting in sonmewhere and crackling noise but I just couldn't figure out where. I didn't want to risk submerging the caliper in water in case it drew water in. However aside from this issue I still can't figure out, I did a final bleed upwards pushing the fluid to the lever with no air bubbles, squoze the lever a few times, removed the bleed block and fitted the wheel and gave them a bash. All seemed to be working nice, firm lever and after just a couple hard pulls while coasting I was already locking up the front wheel weighted. These things have immense power, more power before bedding in than most brakes have after a week of bedding in, they are way more powerful than my Hope v4's, and noticeably more powerful than my previous 4 pot xtr's. After trying these I don't know why anyone would need a brake like the Trickstuff Maxima power wise because these things will lock the front wheel on tarmac at 20mph with ease. So if you have been on the fence about trying it all I can say is do it, they will be the best brakes you have ever owned. These are my favourite bit of the whole build, and this is coming from someone has fitted a ZEB and PUSH 11/6 and is not overly impressed lol. My only regret is they don't have the bling of my orange V4's, but the performance difference is night and day so I'm well happy.

Hey man so i read your post and it made me curious so i purchased a MT5 brake and a XTR 9020 lever.. Im not finding any step by step videos that make much sense or go into detail on how they set this up. Where did you learn the steps to do this?? If you feel like you could give a step by step instruction on how to do this on here then thatd be pretty awesome too!

M9020 or M9120 levers? Did you buy the Shimano compression nut, olive and Magura barbs?

I bought the 9020 which I was thinking I was getting the newest ones but will these work just as well?? I bought a shimano barb and olive from Jenson and I have a package of Magura barbs that came with the mt5s

Posted: Jan 17, 2021 at 18:51 Quote
aer0 wrote:
excuse my ignorance but I'm curious here...

From my experience with Shimano brakes, the issues I've had have been less in the caliper and more in the lever... the floating bite point and the disintegrating piston seals in 8000 series levers being the main issues.
Sure the power on the single pot caliper leaves room for improvement but for me that was not the biggest issue.

ive since switched to Hope on both of my MTB's but am still curious on this Shigura setup

Something about leverage ratios and shimano master cylinder being smaller than the MT5 caliper pistons or something. There’s scientific info somewhere out there I found I just can’t remember where

Posted: Jan 18, 2021 at 4:37 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
gnarcissistictendency wrote:


Hey man so i read your post and it made me curious so i purchased a MT5 brake and a XTR 9020 lever.. Im not finding any step by step videos that make much sense or go into detail on how they set this up. Where did you learn the steps to do this?? If you feel like you could give a step by step instruction on how to do this on here then thatd be pretty awesome too!

M9020 or M9120 levers? Did you buy the Shimano compression nut, olive and Magura barbs?

I bought the 9020 which I was thinking I was getting the newest ones but will these work just as well?? I bought a shimano barb and olive from Jenson and I have a package of Magura barbs that came with the mt5s

Yea it will work just dunno about reliability and bite point people always go on about with that series as I'm using m9120 myself but tbh I'm sure it will be fine. Then you have everything you need except did you get the compression nut? The black threaded bit like you see in the photo here? https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-BH90-Hose-Bolt-and-Fitting-Unit
You need that, a Shimano bleed cup, and bleed nipple to fit the Magura caliper too as well as obviously syringes, bleed blocks etc

Posted: Jan 18, 2021 at 6:04 Quote
Sorry quickly typed that before as I was busy...so to continue, basically just follow the steps in this video to fit the lever but using the Magura barb, Shimano olive and that compression nut but don't forget to slide on the rubber outer cover onto the hose first before you start. https://youtu.be/z5qIrpGR3yY

Then unscrew the bleed screw from the top of the Shimano lever, screw on the Shimano bleed cup.

Get the Magura bleed nipple if you don't have one already.

Unscrew the bleed screw from the Magura caliper.

Push the bleed nipple onto your syringe hose, suck up some mineral oil into the syringe then screw it on via the bleed nipple onto the caliper where you removed the bleed port screw from and start bleeding making sure you have removed the brake pads and the bleed blocks are placed in the caliper.

After bleeding put the plunger that comes with the Shimano bleed cup into the cup to seal the port off and unscrew the syringe and reinstall the bleed port screw into the caliper.

Now unscrew the bleed cup with plunger still in there and put it to one side, it will have some oil in it, then reinstall the Shimano bleed port screw.

Posted: Jan 18, 2021 at 14:52 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
Sorry quickly typed that before as I was busy...so to continue, basically just follow the steps in this video to fit the lever but using the Magura barb, Shimano olive and that compression nut but don't forget to slide on the rubber outer cover onto the hose first before you start. https://youtu.be/z5qIrpGR3yY

Then unscrew the bleed screw from the top of the Shimano lever, screw on the Shimano bleed cup.

Get the Magura bleed nipple if you don't have one already.

Unscrew the bleed screw from the Magura caliper.

Push the bleed nipple onto your syringe hose, suck up some mineral oil into the syringe then screw it on via the bleed nipple onto the caliper where you removed the bleed port screw from and start bleeding making sure you have removed the brake pads and the bleed blocks are placed in the caliper.

After bleeding put the plunger that comes with the Shimano bleed cup into the cup to seal the port off and unscrew the syringe and reinstall the bleed port screw into the caliper.

Now unscrew the bleed cup with plunger still in there and put it to one side, it will have some oil in it, then reinstall the Shimano bleed port screw.


So i didn't get the compression nut only the shimano olive and insert. Ill order the nut today.. as far as a bleed kit for magura, is this what your talking about??
photo

Posted: Jan 18, 2021 at 15:04 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
Sorry quickly typed that before as I was busy...so to continue, basically just follow the steps in this video to fit the lever but using the Magura barb, Shimano olive and that compression nut but don't forget to slide on the rubber outer cover onto the hose first before you start. https://youtu.be/z5qIrpGR3yY

Then unscrew the bleed screw from the top of the Shimano lever, screw on the Shimano bleed cup.

Get the Magura bleed nipple if you don't have one already.

Unscrew the bleed screw from the Magura caliper.

Push the bleed nipple onto your syringe hose, suck up some mineral oil into the syringe then screw it on via the bleed nipple onto the caliper where you removed the bleed port screw from and start bleeding making sure you have removed the brake pads and the bleed blocks are placed in the caliper.

After bleeding put the plunger that comes with the Shimano bleed cup into the cup to seal the port off and unscrew the syringe and reinstall the bleed port screw into the caliper.

Now unscrew the bleed cup with plunger still in there and put it to one side, it will have some oil in it, then reinstall the Shimano bleed port screw.


So i didn't get the compression nut only the shimano olive and insert. Ill order the nut today.. as far as a bleed kit for magura, is this what your talking about??
photo

I bought a different kit, but if that is for Magura what you have there then it looks like you have what you need, just need to get the compression nut and a Shimano bleed cup if you haven't got one already... I don't know why Shimano doesn't supply the compression nut with the lever when it's a neccessary part of the lever but as long as you've found some all good!

Report back when you have got them all set up and let us know what you think, did you make sure to get the Magura rotors aswell?

Posted: Jan 20, 2021 at 12:20 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
Sorry quickly typed that before as I was busy...so to continue, basically just follow the steps in this video to fit the lever but using the Magura barb, Shimano olive and that compression nut but don't forget to slide on the rubber outer cover onto the hose first before you start. https://youtu.be/z5qIrpGR3yY

Then unscrew the bleed screw from the top of the Shimano lever, screw on the Shimano bleed cup.

Get the Magura bleed nipple if you don't have one already.



Push the bleed nipple onto your syringe hose, suck up some mineral oil into the syringe then screw it on via the bleed nipple onto the caliper where you removed the bleed port screw from and start bleeding making sure you have removed the brake pads and the bleed blocks are placed in the caliper.

After bleeding put the plunger that comes with the Shimano bleed cup into the cup to seal the port off and unscrew the syringe and reinstall the bleed port screw into the caliper.

Now unscrew the bleed cup with plunger still in there and put it to one side, it will have some oil in it, then reinstall the Shimano bleed port screw.


So i didn't get the compression nut only the shimano olive and insert. Ill order the nut today.. as far as a bleed kit for magura, is this what your talking about??
photo

I would advise you to use magura insert and olive, there's a difference on inner dia of hoses, maguras are a bit bigger and magura's own inserts fit better on their hose, the same goes for the olive as well

Posted: Jan 20, 2021 at 12:41 Quote
adespotoskyli wrote:
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Danzzz88 wrote:
Sorry quickly typed that before as I was busy...so to continue, basically just follow the steps in this video to fit the lever but using the Magura barb, Shimano olive and that compression nut but don't forget to slide on the rubber outer cover onto the hose first before you start. https://youtu.be/z5qIrpGR3yY

Then unscrew the bleed screw from the top of the Shimano lever, screw on the Shimano bleed cup.

Get the Magura bleed nipple if you don't have one already.



Push the bleed nipple onto your syringe hose, suck up some mineral oil into the syringe then screw it on via the bleed nipple onto the caliper where you removed the bleed port screw from and start bleeding making sure you have removed the brake pads and the bleed blocks are placed in the caliper.

After bleeding put the plunger that comes with the Shimano bleed cup into the cup to seal the port off and unscrew the syringe and reinstall the bleed port screw into the caliper.

Now unscrew the bleed cup with plunger still in there and put it to one side, it will have some oil in it, then reinstall the Shimano bleed port screw.


So i didn't get the compression nut only the shimano olive and insert. Ill order the nut today.. as far as a bleed kit for magura, is this what your talking about??
photo

I would advise you to use magura insert and olive, there's a difference on inner dia of hoses, maguras are a bit bigger and magura's own inserts fit better on their hose, the same goes for the olive as well

He is using the Magura insert (barb). He can use Shimano or Magura olive, most use the Shimano olive as do I with no problems


 


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