21’ Stumpjumper EVO thoughts

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Posted: Nov 15, 2022 at 12:04 Quote
BarneyStinson wrote:
formerbmxguy wrote:
I rode my '22 swerks for a year...

Are you posting from the future? Wink

Model year 2022 Lol

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Posted: Nov 17, 2022 at 8:14 Quote
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.

Posted: Nov 17, 2022 at 10:06 Quote
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.

You can put a shorter stem on the Evo to help with the reach. I think it comes with 50mm, S6 may even be longer? Quite a few reviewers say it should be coming with a shorter stem anyway? I've got a 35mm stem on mine and it rides brilliantly.

In terms of wheelbase, ride it in the high and steep setting, it transforms the bike for tighter turns. There's also the option to mullet it to make it even more responsive in the turns, but I haven't tried that yet.

One of the major benefits to me of the Evo is the adjustable geometry. It really does transform the bike and change how I can use it.

Posted: Nov 17, 2022 at 10:23 Quote
BarneyStinson wrote:
So, I’m riding a 2022 Stumpjumper EVO Expert S4. I weigh 90kg. I’m loving the bike, but am struggling with setting up the Fox 36. Basically whenever it gets chunky, my arms are really getting hammered, and it’s stopping me from being confident in tech. Any setup hints for the Fox 36 please?

I'm on the way to sorting this. Long story short, by bracketing, I found out that I had too much LSR damping and was running a bit too much pressure in the air spring.

I've been at a bike park today, and have spent the morning riding the same trail five or six times, adjusting one parameter each time. I started by using sag measurements to get my original pressure, and then worked from there.

My last bike had a Rockshox Pike. Basically it was a case of set sag, set rebound based on pressure and then play with LSC so that it didn't dive too much. Not as much adjustability, but also hard to get it wrong.

Fox 36 seems to be a more serious piece of kit to me. As I've been bracketing today, I've realised that even a click or two too much damping can have a major detrimental effect on the fork. Too little damping and the fork is pushing back too hard, too much damping and it's packing down into the progressive part of the spring curve. Also that as I change pressure, I then have to look at other settings. I also suspect that the headtube angle may have an effect on how the fork feels as well.

The downside of all that adjustability is that it doesn't take much to make it feel awful.

Thanks to those on here who've given advice, also to Jake at TFTuned (a UK suspension specialist) who spent a significant amount of time talking me through Fox 36 suspension set up.

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Posted: Nov 17, 2022 at 19:23 Quote
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.

Just as a point of ref, a good friend of mine is 6'6-6'7 got an S6 and just couldn't get on with how big it was and moved down to an S5 and has since been happy.

The S sizing is great, it's just harder to judge a bike without sitting on one at the very min. I have an s3 enduro and when I sat on the s3 evo it felt smaller then sat and pedaled an s4 and realized it felt bigger/floppier than my s3 enduro!

I opted for the s3 evo and I've been very happy since dialing the cockpit in. I used to ride Large frames before the modern 'long, low, slack'

Posted: Nov 18, 2022 at 15:31 Quote
Got an s1 for sale I'll let go cheap.

Posted: Nov 18, 2022 at 21:18 Quote
BarneyStinson wrote:

My last bike had a Rockshox Pike. Basically it was a case of set sag, set rebound based on pressure and then play with LSC so that it didn't dive too much. Not as much adjustability, but also hard to get it wrong.

Fox 36 seems to be a more serious piece of kit to me.

The downside of all that adjustability is that it doesn't take much to make it feel awful.

Thanks to those on here who've given advice, also to Jake at TFTuned (a UK suspension specialist) who spent a significant amount of time talking me through Fox 36 suspension set up.

More or less my thoughts as well. My Enduro had a Lyrik that was sooooo much easier to set up. The Fox has way more adjustability, but it takes forever for me to get it dialed. Errr, pun not intended.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2022 at 6:13 Quote
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.


I'm 6'8" 230+ with an S6. It's not an Enduro bike. It can ride Enduro trails, and you'll have fun and be able to keep a decent pace, but it is an All Mountain trail bike at heart and I don't think it will be competitive in the VT chunk. Also, the S6 really is long feeling because of the long chain stays. It's fun, but takes some pace to come alive. If your trails are tight AND you want/need to be competitive, you're best looking elsewhere. See if you can find an S5 Enduro, which is an actual enduro bike and absolutely smashes through the chunk. Also, the XL Trek Slash would be a contender.

In my journey to find a custom frame, I've been looking at the Nicolai Saturn S16 and the Reeb Squeeb V3. Reach out to Reeb, they are based in the US and are very responsive. They can do some custom stuff up to a point and I think you're right at the upper limit of what they could make a custom frame for. Also, I was looking at the Kavenz VHP16, but I don't think their super short chain stays will work for me. I'm just too tall. But it would be worth looking up because it's a sick bike and is supposed to be amazing for tight enduro trails.

I've you ride near Pisgah this winter, look me up. I live in Charlotte and would let you swing a leg over my Evo.

Posted: Nov 21, 2022 at 6:54 Quote
Pdrenth wrote:
I'm 6'8" 230+ with an S6. It's not an Enduro bike. It can ride Enduro trails, and you'll have fun and be able to keep a decent pace, but it is an All Mountain trail bike at heart and I don't think it will be competitive in the VT chunk.

Totally agree with that sentiment. Depends on whether you're racing for a bit of fun, or to be competitive.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2022 at 8:41 Quote
Pdrenth wrote:
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.


I'm 6'8" 230+ with an S6. It's not an Enduro bike. It can ride Enduro trails, and you'll have fun and be able to keep a decent pace, but it is an All Mountain trail bike at heart and I don't think it will be competitive in the VT chunk. Also, the S6 really is long feeling because of the long chain stays. It's fun, but takes some pace to come alive. If your trails are tight AND you want/need to be competitive, you're best looking elsewhere. See if you can find an S5 Enduro, which is an actual enduro bike and absolutely smashes through the chunk. Also, the XL Trek Slash would be a contender.

In my journey to find a custom frame, I've been looking at the Nicolai Saturn S16 and the Reeb Squeeb V3. Reach out to Reeb, they are based in the US and are very responsive. They can do some custom stuff up to a point and I think you're right at the upper limit of what they could make a custom frame for. Also, I was looking at the Kavenz VHP16, but I don't think their super short chain stays will work for me. I'm just too tall. But it would be worth looking up because it's a sick bike and is supposed to be amazing for tight enduro trails.

I've you ride near Pisgah this winter, look me up. I live in Charlotte and would let you swing a leg over my Evo.

Thanks, this is helpfull. Part of the issue is im not so sure what I want likely.

I raced DH for about 10 years of my life, but I think the heavy risk taking parts of my competitiveness is past me.

I love the Reeb, but the cost has me out a bit. Although, I am happy to spend a bit more on bikes made by small companies in house, so it might be worth thinking more.

I think I need to find a bike to try or rent or something, unfortunately the snow just came. Riders in my neck of the woods have been switching from instincts to altitudes as of late, which was interesting to me.

Another option is the Salsa Blackthorn, which allows me to support my local shop, but is slightly expensive for the alloy frame only, and super boost. The cool think is, you can buy their enduro bikes rear end for it, Guerilla Gravity style.

Thanks for the offer! Someday I'll make it down there, we've got a little fiberglass trailer that weve been building out, thinking pisgah would be a great first trop with it.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2022 at 22:36 Quote
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.

6’4” with a long torso also.

Currently switching between an S5 Enduro and an S5 Stumpy Evo that’s over forked at 170 with the cascade LT link (~160). I think the long travel StEvo sounds exactly like what you’re looking for. Plenty capable but lighter and poppier. Plus you can fuss with the head angle cups to get just the feel you’re looking for.

Would recommend leaving anything XXL / S6 alone. Those front wheels are just too far out there for normal humans to weight effectively.

Posted: Nov 22, 2022 at 1:05 Quote
dont know if you guys have seen on facepoop - a guy sent in the frame for a crack under the shite plastic NON protector, and spesh have now told him its a warranty case as they are aware the protection is sub standard!!!

so looks like anyone with a crack under the protector can now get a full warranty replacement FOC front triangle!

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Posted: Nov 22, 2022 at 5:42 Quote
Blownoutrides wrote:
sean-curran wrote:
Can I get some advice? Looking for an aggresive trail bike, that will race a few enduros, in Vermont. I am 6'4" and, with a long torso, really like the 515 reach I am coming off on my Honzo.

I am worried about the overall length of the S6, and the S5 seems a bit short for me. The trails in VT arent as wide open as I suspect the S6 would want. The Honzo also has 420-430 CS length, which Im open to trying longer.

Also, I'm thinking Alloy, frame only. Do I accept that im between sizes and find a used SC XXL hightower frame? Or, I've also been looking at a cotic jeht, which I understand will be a bit "less" bike. The Meta TR has been a thought, but seems a little less "trail" than I would like, and the same goes for the Privateer 141.

I have an XC (honzo as well) bike to compliment this.

6’4” with a long torso also.

Currently switching between an S5 Enduro and an S5 Stumpy Evo that’s over forked at 170 with the cascade LT link (~160). I think the long travel StEvo sounds exactly like what you’re looking for. Plenty capable but lighter and poppier. Plus you can fuss with the head angle cups to get just the feel you’re looking for.

Would recommend leaving anything XXL / S6 alone. Those front wheels are just too far out there for normal humans to weight effectively.

Im not 6'4, but do ride in VT and i went with the Stumpy Evo for the build i am working on at the moment, for some of the reasons you described. plan is to go with a cascade link and a 38mm fork up front and to "overbuild" the bike a little bit.

i race occasionally, but mostly trail ride and the Evo seemed like a good balance of "trail" bike that can race. ive had it described as similar to the ripmo but a better descender. and lets not forget the ripmo ends up on EWS podiums.

have a buddy that rides an s4 enduro locally and says it makes some of the more tame trails boring.

Posted: Nov 22, 2022 at 8:56 Quote
Didzy2009 wrote:
dont know if you guys have seen on facepoop - a guy sent in the frame for a crack under the shite plastic NON protector, and spesh have now told him its a warranty case as they are aware the protection is sub standard!!!

so looks like anyone with a crack under the protector can now get a full warranty replacement FOC front triangle!

Just reaffirming this, i seen this post aswell

Posted: Nov 22, 2022 at 9:20 Quote
"They took pics and 2 days later called and said Specialized was aware of the problem with these downtubes and was sending me a new frame. They told him that they are warranting all frames and even paying labor to the shop to rebuild it which I think is cool! Those who've been denied may want to try again as it sounds like they are now acknowledging the design defect."

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