I just ordered up a new set of 350s laced to EX511s and it was $806 in total. I had previously been on some QBP built EX511s laced to XTR hubs that I got for cheap and no matter how hard I beat them up over the past 18 months, I never once had to true them or had a single dent. I’ve ridden plenty of high engagement hubs over the years and it’s just not my cup of tea when you’re main priority is descending.
The latest xtr- hubs? How are they? Would you recommend them for trail/ enduro?
Anyone have experience with adding the Cascade Stumpy Evo link to a Mullet Evo?
Just bought the pro and am consindering the link since it would compliment my riding style. Apparently Cascades suggestion is to add this Yoke in addition to the linkage itself: https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards which is silly expensive.
Apparently this isn't "necessary" but preserves the bikes geometry. That said, the geo seems pretty normal even with the mullet setup. Im just a it lost here right now.
Anyone have experience with using the Cascade Link on a mullet Evo? I just bought the 2023 Pro whch comes stock as a mullet.
I want to get the Cascade link at some point as it will make the bike more conducive to my riding style. Cascades customer support told me i need this Yoke (https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards) to "preserve" the Evo's geometry. Which is strange to me as the 2023 comes stock as a mullet. Do I need to preserve 29er geo when it doesn't have them to begin with?
in my experience Flows (mk3 was what i had) are nowhere near as durable as EX 511s
I’ve heard great things about these wheels, thinking about them on a new build (enduro), but I’m sort of addicted to the SC reserve warranty…. However, I’m not a fan of the I9 hub options with them as of late…
You can still order them with 350’s. Ask your local dealer to order some for you.
Good call thanks - called the shop and you’re right, the SKU is in there, but 2 months lead (not a big deal)
Anyone have experience with using the Cascade Link on a mullet Evo? I just bought the 2023 Pro whch comes stock as a mullet.
I want to get the Cascade link at some point as it will make the bike more conducive to my riding style. Cascades customer support told me i need this Yoke (https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards) to "preserve" the Evo's geometry. Which is strange to me as the 2023 comes stock as a mullet. Do I need to preserve 29er geo when it doesn't have them to begin with?
That’s because yours has the mullet link from specialized that corrects the geo when you go mullet. Did your bike come with another link in case you wanted to go full 29er? Or do you have to buy another link that’s the 29er specific evo link from specialized?
Anyone have experience with using the Cascade Link on a mullet Evo? I just bought the 2023 Pro whch comes stock as a mullet.
I want to get the Cascade link at some point as it will make the bike more conducive to my riding style. Cascades customer support told me i need this Yoke (https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards) to "preserve" the Evo's geometry. Which is strange to me as the 2023 comes stock as a mullet. Do I need to preserve 29er geo when it doesn't have them to begin with?
That’s because yours has the mullet link from specialized that corrects the geo when you go mullet. Did your bike come with another link in case you wanted to go full 29er? Or do you have to buy another link that’s the 29er specific evo link from specialized?
I don't think that Eorios is correct. The sentence structure makes no sense at all. Makes an assumption, then asks a questions that are redundant to the assumption.
Evo's do not come from the factory with a mullet link. This is why the sell one, albeit a flawed link that only preserves the geometry (lifts the rear to accommodate the smaller wheel diameter) but also alters the suspension kinematics. Cascade is right, and I'd actually trust them over Specialized on this subject. The WRP mullet link preserves the ride height AND maintains the same kinematics.
Anyone have experience with using the Cascade Link on a mullet Evo? I just bought the 2023 Pro whch comes stock as a mullet.
I want to get the Cascade link at some point as it will make the bike more conducive to my riding style. Cascades customer support told me i need this Yoke (https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards) to "preserve" the Evo's geometry. Which is strange to me as the 2023 comes stock as a mullet. Do I need to preserve 29er geo when it doesn't have them to begin with?
That’s because yours has the mullet link from specialized that corrects the geo when you go mullet. Did your bike come with another link in case you wanted to go full 29er? Or do you have to buy another link that’s the 29er specific evo link from specialized?
I don't think that Eorios is correct. The sentence structure makes no sense at all. Makes an assumption, then asks a questions that are redundant to the assumption.
Evo's do not come from the factory with a mullet link. This is why the sell one, albeit a flawed link that only preserves the geometry (lifts the rear to accommodate the smaller wheel diameter) but also alters the suspension kinematics. Cascade is right, and I'd actually trust them over Specialized on this subject. The WRP mullet link preserves the ride height AND maintains the same kinematics.
He said he has an evo pro which the new ones come setup mullet. That would mean that specialized “should” have the mullet link on it already from factory. The cascade link is designed around a 29er setup. That’s why they told him he would need that wrp link to maintain the same geo. Your right though my response is all over the place.
That’s because yours has the mullet link from specialized that corrects the geo when you go mullet. Did your bike come with another link in case you wanted to go full 29er? Or do you have to buy another link that’s the 29er specific evo link from specialized?
I don't think that Eorios is correct. The sentence structure makes no sense at all. Makes an assumption, then asks a questions that are redundant to the assumption.
Evo's do not come from the factory with a mullet link. This is why the sell one, albeit a flawed link that only preserves the geometry (lifts the rear to accommodate the smaller wheel diameter) but also alters the suspension kinematics. Cascade is right, and I'd actually trust them over Specialized on this subject. The WRP mullet link preserves the ride height AND maintains the same kinematics.
He said he has an evo pro which the new ones come setup mullet. That would mean that specialized “should” have the mullet link on it already from factory. The cascade link is designed around a 29er setup. That’s why they told him he would need that wrp link to maintain the same geo. Your right though my response is all over the place.
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Correct. It does come from factory as a mullet. Its unclear if its got the "mullet" link though one would have to assume so given that its a mullet. Reviewing the product page, no mention of the specific linkage is made. Its worth mentioning I do not physically have the biek in my possession yet. It should be in hand tomorrow/Thursday.
What i am trying to figure out is whether the bike is coming from the factory with compromised suspension kinematics that need to be corrected by the WRP yoke and Cascade link...
Obviously id like to not have to buy $600 in linages to take advantage of more suspension and a higher leverage ratio.
I don't think that Eorios is correct. The sentence structure makes no sense at all. Makes an assumption, then asks a questions that are redundant to the assumption.
Evo's do not come from the factory with a mullet link. This is why the sell one, albeit a flawed link that only preserves the geometry (lifts the rear to accommodate the smaller wheel diameter) but also alters the suspension kinematics. Cascade is right, and I'd actually trust them over Specialized on this subject. The WRP mullet link preserves the ride height AND maintains the same kinematics.
He said he has an evo pro which the new ones come setup mullet. That would mean that specialized “should” have the mullet link on it already from factory. The cascade link is designed around a 29er setup. That’s why they told him he would need that wrp link to maintain the same geo. Your right though my response is all over the place.
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Correct. It does come from factory as a mullet. Its unclear if its got the "mullet" link though one would have to assume so given that its a mullet. Reviewing the product page, no mention of the specific linkage is made. Its worth mentioning I do not physically have the biek in my possession yet. It should be in hand tomorrow/Thursday.
What i am trying to figure out is whether the bike is coming from the factory with compromised suspension kinematics that need to be corrected by the WRP yoke and Cascade link...
Obviously id like to not have to buy $600 in linages to take advantage of more suspension and a higher leverage ratio.
I have 2021 Evo Ltd, which came with mullet link to correct the suspension cinematic. I have separate 29" link if I want to ride full 29". I think the new Pro model comes with same mullet link.
I also have the ´21 evo ltd. It comes stock with the mullet link.I contacted cascade components for their link but they told me it would lower the bottom bracket even more in mullet set-up resulting in more pedalstrokes. Cascade components in combination with williamsracing mullet yoke would work. But that was too expensive for me. Out of curiosity I tried riding with mullet link but with 29" rearwheel. There was no real disadvantage, it was only a short but technical trailride.
I don't think that Eorios is correct. The sentence structure makes no sense at all. Makes an assumption, then asks a questions that are redundant to the assumption.
Evo's do not come from the factory with a mullet link. This is why the sell one, albeit a flawed link that only preserves the geometry (lifts the rear to accommodate the smaller wheel diameter) but also alters the suspension kinematics. Cascade is right, and I'd actually trust them over Specialized on this subject. The WRP mullet link preserves the ride height AND maintains the same kinematics.
He said he has an evo pro which the new ones come setup mullet. That would mean that specialized “should” have the mullet link on it already from factory. The cascade link is designed around a 29er setup. That’s why they told him he would need that wrp link to maintain the same geo. Your right though my response is all over the place.
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Correct. It does come from factory as a mullet. Its unclear if its got the "mullet" link though one would have to assume so given that its a mullet. Reviewing the product page, no mention of the specific linkage is made. Its worth mentioning I do not physically have the biek in my possession yet. It should be in hand tomorrow/Thursday.
What i am trying to figure out is whether the bike is coming from the factory with compromised suspension kinematics that need to be corrected by the WRP yoke and Cascade link...
Obviously id like to not have to buy $600 in linages to take advantage of more suspension and a higher leverage ratio.
The bike you ordered will come with the Specialized mullet link installed. The Cascade Components link is not a mullet link. It is designed around a full 29er setup. That is why you need the WRP yoke if you want to run the Cascade link AND mullet wheels.
A 27.5 rear wheel in a bike designed for 29 will lower the BB and slacken the head angle and seat angle. The Specialized mullet link “corrects” this by raising the BB height back to where it would be if both wheels were 29.
The Cascade Components link is designed around a 29er setup so if you run mullet with the CC link your BB will be too low, etc. The Williams Racing Products yoke will fix that issue when running the CC link in a mullet setup.
I have to ask, why not just ride the bike in it’s stock form to see if you like it before throwing aftermarket parts at it? Maybe the Specialized mullet setup will be the bees knees? It won’t hurt anything to change things after a ride or 2 if you see the need. If nothing else it will give you a baseline to know if the CC link and WRP yoke alter the characteristics for the better. No way to know that if you just swap it all out straight away.
He said he has an evo pro which the new ones come setup mullet. That would mean that specialized “should” have the mullet link on it already from factory. The cascade link is designed around a 29er setup. That’s why they told him he would need that wrp link to maintain the same geo. Your right though my response is all over the place.
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Correct. It does come from factory as a mullet. Its unclear if its got the "mullet" link though one would have to assume so given that its a mullet. Reviewing the product page, no mention of the specific linkage is made. Its worth mentioning I do not physically have the biek in my possession yet. It should be in hand tomorrow/Thursday.
What i am trying to figure out is whether the bike is coming from the factory with compromised suspension kinematics that need to be corrected by the WRP yoke and Cascade link...
Obviously id like to not have to buy $600 in linages to take advantage of more suspension and a higher leverage ratio.
The bike you ordered will come with the Specialized mullet link installed. The Cascade Components link is not a mullet link. It is designed around a full 29er setup. That is why you need the WRP yoke if you want to run the Cascade link AND mullet wheels.
A 27.5 rear wheel in a bike designed for 29 will lower the BB and slacken the head angle and seat angle. The Specialized mullet link “corrects” this by raising the BB height back to where it would be if both wheels were 29.
The Cascade Components link is designed around a 29er setup so if you run mullet with the CC link your BB will be too low, etc. The Williams Racing Products yoke will fix that issue when running the CC link in a mullet setup.
I have to ask, why not just ride the bike in it’s stock form to see if you like it before throwing aftermarket parts at it? Maybe the Specialized mullet setup will be the bees knees? It won’t hurt anything to change things after a ride or 2 if you see the need. If nothing else it will give you a baseline to know if the CC link and WRP yoke alter the characteristics for the better. No way to know that if you just swap it all out straight away.
Appreciate the input.
I absolutely plan to ride the bike as is at first. That aside, I do lots of riding where having more suspension is helpful, thus the interest in the Cascade linkage.
Hi anybody has lifted the front end to 170mm travel? what are your thoughts?
I'm currently riding mine with the cascade link and a 170mm zeb. lo setting and middle cup
feels and ride pretty well IMO
I'm curious as to what people think about the 170 fork. I just got a smashpot fork and need to tear apart anyways and it would easy to add the spacer, plus it would fit my spring rate better anyways. I'm just worried about unusable the headset adjustment would be in the my low setting.
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