Super enduro vs DH decision

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Posted: May 26, 2021 at 4:15 Quote
mtbtrekracer wrote:
JFonz wrote:
I went with a Scott Ransom after talking to way too many people, wish I followed my gut. Im now attempting to sell it so i can buy a true DH rig because i only ride the park.

The issue is the fact you got a ransom... out of all the enduro bikes and you chose that lol.
They have them at a local hire shop and nobody wants them.. even as hire bikes lol.
freeride/pedalable dh bikes are around like the torque, clash, etc the 29er giga will knock ya socks off Cool

If you only ride park why didnt you get a DH bike first?

The initial decision to gone enduro came from the thought that i may want to ride locally. But the more i ride the park the more i realize that i would rather ride the lift up and smash the hill on the way down.

As far as my selection of Scott, there is a local bike shop that sells them who was very informative and helpful. Not every decision works out the way you expect and this is certainly one of those.

Posted: Jul 7, 2021 at 22:28 Quote
Dual crown rated enduro bike with 160-170 mm rear travel and a push or ext shock with hydraulic bottom out. 1 bike, two forks and two stems with a front hub that can be easily converted between 15 and 20 mm axles with end caps. It seems like a lot of effort but after getting both setup for the first time you can switch back and forth in less than an hour.

Posted: Jul 17, 2021 at 9:10 Quote
A friend of mine has been in the scene for quite a while and is a manager for a UCI DH racer. He specifically told me that while my Enduro bike (long shocked Altitude 170/160) will work, it'll get very beat up from multiple days at a park. A DH bike will be faster, smoother, and more confidence inspiring.

That being said, I'll be doing a few local bike parks with my altitude as I am comfortable on the bike, however I will replace it with a DH in the coming future. Either a commencal supreme, canyon sender, or YT Tues.

Posted: Jul 19, 2021 at 15:54 Quote
A new DH rig vs new super enduro...the dh rig will always be miles more capable downhill period, it's a specialist tool for the job. It doesn't matter you have the latest 180mm travel slack head angle super enduro with an 11.6 or EXT, it's still not a dh bike, I know because I have an Sb165, 180mm ZEB, Elevensix and as amazing as it is downhill for what effectively is a trail bike, it's still not a downhill bike.

It's not as simple as a 63 degree head angle, dh casings, fancy coil shocks etc... There is a lot about even a cheaper downhill bike that no £15'000 super enduro dripping with the latest tech can match downhill..

Downhill bikes are not overly concerned about weight, increased sprung mass benefits the suspension loads, this sucks for climbing on an enduro. A lot of downhill bikes have f all antisquat, again a trait aimed at climbing and pedal efficiency, not what you want whem sitting at sag point and you want the bike to feel like a marshmallow. Downhill bikes are much stiffer, they have much burlier tubes and way less flex making them more direct and confident yet the suspension is still more supple. Some dh bikes have 220mm travel or more, this is a fair amount more than a 180mm travel super enduro, compare your 180mm travel enduro to a 140mm trail bike... The geometry is different, yes your specialized enduro, sb165, norco range etc may have that 63.5 degree head angle or slacker, but the reach is long and the stack is low relative to a downhill bike, you are much more upright and less forwards on a downhill bike. Looking at numbers it may only seem lile a few mm here, a few kg there, a few degrees etc...but you add it all up and it's a completely different level. An Indy car has however much hp, it has wings, 1 man in the seat, sticky slicks etc...but it's no Formula 1 car. Downhill bikes are no compromise specialist tools for the job, they suck on the flat, and suck a ridiculous amount uphill, but the reason they suck at these is they don't have to accept the compromises enduro bikes do to do these things, they have one objective, going down very steep rough shit as fast as possible.

Don't be deluded by claims in reviews this bike descends like a dh or mini dh bike, dh bikes are another level and I accept that, I'm not lucky enough to own one but I've tried them and I'm not deluded, they are another level in plushness and confidence going downhill over any dentist enduro bike. But the dentist bikes are good enough for most riders, they are more than capable of doing almost any dh track, but you put a leg over a dh bike and it's another level of speed and easy confidence.

I'm a sucker for a nice enduro, everyone wants that custom tuned coil EXT shocked, Avalanched damped coil forked , high pivot, 1200g carbon wheeled, Trickstuff braked dentist bike....but alas, it's still not a downhill bike, and will never be one.

Posted: Jul 20, 2021 at 17:31 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
A new DH rig vs new super enduro...the dh rig will always be miles more capable downhill period, it's a specialist tool for the job. It doesn't matter you have the latest 180mm travel slack head angle super enduro with an 11.6 or EXT, it's still not a dh bike, I know because I have an Sb165, 180mm ZEB, Elevensix and as amazing as it is downhill for what effectively is a trail bike, it's still not a downhill bike.

It's not as simple as a 63 degree head angle, dh casings, fancy coil shocks etc... There is a lot about even a cheaper downhill bike that no £15'000 super enduro dripping with the latest tech can match downhill..

Downhill bikes are not overly concerned about weight, increased sprung mass benefits the suspension loads, this sucks for climbing on an enduro. A lot of downhill bikes have f all antisquat, again a trait aimed at climbing and pedal efficiency, not what you want whem sitting at sag point and you want the bike to feel like a marshmallow. Downhill bikes are much stiffer, they have much burlier tubes and way less flex making them more direct and confident yet the suspension is still more supple. Some dh bikes have 220mm travel or more, this is a fair amount more than a 180mm travel super enduro, compare your 180mm travel enduro to a 140mm trail bike... The geometry is different, yes your specialized enduro, sb165, norco range etc may have that 63.5 degree head angle or slacker, but the reach is long and the stack is low relative to a downhill bike, you are much more upright and less forwards on a downhill bike. Looking at numbers it may only seem lile a few mm here, a few kg there, a few degrees etc...but you add it all up and it's a completely different level. An Indy car has however much hp, it has wings, 1 man in the seat, sticky slicks etc...but it's no Formula 1 car. Downhill bikes are no compromise specialist tools for the job, they suck on the flat, and suck a ridiculous amount uphill, but the reason they suck at these is they don't have to accept the compromises enduro bikes do to do these things, they have one objective, going down very steep rough shit as fast as possible.

Don't be deluded by claims in reviews this bike descends like a dh or mini dh bike, dh bikes are another level and I accept that, I'm not lucky enough to own one but I've tried them and I'm not deluded, they are another level in plushness and confidence going downhill over any dentist enduro bike. But the dentist bikes are good enough for most riders, they are more than capable of doing almost any dh track, but you put a leg over a dh bike and it's another level of speed and easy confidence.

I'm a sucker for a nice enduro, everyone wants that custom tuned coil EXT shocked, Avalanched damped coil forked , high pivot, 1200g carbon wheeled, Trickstuff braked dentist bike....but alas, it's still not a downhill bike, and will never be one.

Amen. Another couple of things I would add are a DH bike’s shorter cranks and derailleur cage. I was forced to switch up my DH bike to my enduro mid week during an instructor course, due to a broken wheel. Within 100m of my first run on the Enduro, I hooked a pedal on a root and was sent tumbling. Sure, it’s kind of an unusual crash in a bike park no matter the bike, but it’s less likely on my non compromised DH. By the end of the week I had also damaged my enduro’s derailleur cage, which is quite a bit more common on my enduro than my DH.

Posted: Jul 20, 2021 at 22:29 Quote
I think super enduros are great and extremely capable. If you’re looking for a super enduro, I think something like a YT Capra with Öhlins front and rear and some bombproof DT Rims and an X01 Eagle drivetrain is probably just about the best bike you could ever hope to find. Just a thought

Posted: Jul 20, 2021 at 22:34 Quote
There are alot of Super Enduro's i would ride before a DH bike lol, I've ridden alot of DH bikes and they arn't that flash unless your racing.
a modern super enduro is a much better bike, they are designed for all downhill with little care for pedaling except big 12speed and a dropper.

Posted: Jul 22, 2021 at 2:57 Quote
Danzzz88 wrote:
A new DH rig vs new super enduro...the dh rig will always be miles more capable downhill period, it's a specialist tool for the job. It doesn't matter you have the latest 180mm travel slack head angle super enduro with an 11.6 or EXT, it's still not a dh bike, I know because I have an Sb165, 180mm ZEB, Elevensix and as amazing as it is downhill for what effectively is a trail bike, it's still not a downhill bike.

It's not as simple as a 63 degree head angle, dh casings, fancy coil shocks etc... There is a lot about even a cheaper downhill bike that no £15'000 super enduro dripping with the latest tech can match downhill..

Downhill bikes are not overly concerned about weight, increased sprung mass benefits the suspension loads, this sucks for climbing on an enduro. A lot of downhill bikes have f all antisquat, again a trait aimed at climbing and pedal efficiency, not what you want whem sitting at sag point and you want the bike to feel like a marshmallow. Downhill bikes are much stiffer, they have much burlier tubes and way less flex making them more direct and confident yet the suspension is still more supple. Some dh bikes have 220mm travel or more, this is a fair amount more than a 180mm travel super enduro, compare your 180mm travel enduro to a 140mm trail bike... The geometry is different, yes your specialized enduro, sb165, norco range etc may have that 63.5 degree head angle or slacker, but the reach is long and the stack is low relative to a downhill bike, you are much more upright and less forwards on a downhill bike. Looking at numbers it may only seem lile a few mm here, a few kg there, a few degrees etc...but you add it all up and it's a completely different level. An Indy car has however much hp, it has wings, 1 man in the seat, sticky slicks etc...but it's no Formula 1 car. Downhill bikes are no compromise specialist tools for the job, they suck on the flat, and suck a ridiculous amount uphill, but the reason they suck at these is they don't have to accept the compromises enduro bikes do to do these things, they have one objective, going down very steep rough shit as fast as possible.

Don't be deluded by claims in reviews this bike descends like a dh or mini dh bike, dh bikes are another level and I accept that, I'm not lucky enough to own one but I've tried them and I'm not deluded, they are another level in plushness and confidence going downhill over any dentist enduro bike. But the dentist bikes are good enough for most riders, they are more than capable of doing almost any dh track, but you put a leg over a dh bike and it's another level of speed and easy confidence.

I'm a sucker for a nice enduro, everyone wants that custom tuned coil EXT shocked, Avalanched damped coil forked , high pivot, 1200g carbon wheeled, Trickstuff braked dentist bike....but alas, it's still not a downhill bike, and will never be one.

Yeah Dan
But, sometimes if the dh isn't steep enough the enduro will be more efficient, pump and pedal better....

Posted: Nov 20, 2021 at 9:25 Quote
Just got a new Transition TR11. Put a 12 speed eaglr drive train and a dropper on it. It is only 7oz heavier than my Santa Cruz Megatower and everyone thinks it pedals better as well. My mind it is the perfect enduro bike.

Posted: Nov 20, 2021 at 9:42 Quote
Jhunnel3 wrote:
Just got a new Transition TR11. Put a 12 speed eaglr drive train and a dropper on it. It is only 7oz heavier than my Santa Cruz Megatower and everyone thinks it pedals better as well. My mind it is the perfect enduro bike.

Got pics? I considered doing this a while back, but chickened out.

Posted: Nov 23, 2021 at 11:47 Quote
I've bought a Propain spindrift(getting built any moment now) as my enduro/DH and plan on buying a set up dual crowns to swap between the two. I loved having a dedicated DH bike but I don't live close enough to the tracks and I definitely don't earn enough money to have a dedicated enduro and dedicated DH rig

Posted: Nov 23, 2021 at 14:01 Quote
monkshed wrote:
I've bought a Propain spindrift(getting built any moment now) as my enduro/DH and plan on buying a set up dual crowns to swap between the two. I loved having a dedicated DH bike but I don't live close enough to the tracks and I definitely don't earn enough money to have a dedicated enduro and dedicated DH rig

What wheel size are you running?

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 11:10 Quote
Muchogusto wrote:
monkshed wrote:
I've bought a Propain spindrift(getting built any moment now) as my enduro/DH and plan on buying a set up dual crowns to swap between the two. I loved having a dedicated DH bike but I don't live close enough to the tracks and I definitely don't earn enough money to have a dedicated enduro and dedicated DH rig

What wheel size are you running?

Running a large 29er, gives me the option of Chucking a 27.5 wheel

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 20:50 Quote
monkshed wrote:
Muchogusto wrote:
monkshed wrote:
I've bought a Propain spindrift(getting built any moment now) as my enduro/DH and plan on buying a set up dual crowns to swap between the two. I loved having a dedicated DH bike but I don't live close enough to the tracks and I definitely don't earn enough money to have a dedicated enduro and dedicated DH rig

What wheel size are you running?

Running a large 29er, gives me the option of Chucking a 27.5 wheel

Are you in USA? I know quite a few people interested in these now that they have a US distributor!

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 22:51 Quote
Muchogusto wrote:
monkshed wrote:
Muchogusto wrote:


What wheel size are you running?

Running a large 29er, gives me the option of Chucking a 27.5 wheel

Are you in USA? I know quite a few people interested in these now that they have a US distributor!

Nah I am in Australia, we just have a single shop importing them in

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