How lunatic lefties want “INSURRECTION” but can’t seem to charge anyone with it.

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How lunatic lefties want “INSURRECTION” but can’t seem to charge anyone with it.
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‘Sedition Hunters’: Meet The Online Sleuths Aiding The FBI’s Capitol Manhunt
Six months and 500 arrests into the Jan. 6 probe, a motley crew of online sleuths is generating leads, making connections, and keeping the feds on their toes.
By
Ryan J. Reilly
06/30/2021 02:20pm EDT | Updated June 30, 2021

✅A motley crew of online investigators is helping the FBI bring the Jan. 6 rioters to justice.
A motley crew of online investigators is helping the FBI bring the Jan. 6 rioters to justice.
There’s a mother and former teacher in south central Pennsylvania, a woman I’ll call Joan, who has what she calls a “weird hobby.” She’s a Facebook detective.

“Some people crochet. Some people paint. I look up people,” Joan told me. “I’m the go-to person for all my friends if they meet a new man. They’re like ‘Hey, look him up, give me all the details.



➡️When an enraged mob stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, Joan was at home watching it unfold. She was deeply upset, finding herself in tears about the violent scene transpiring over 100 miles away in the nation’s capital, which she’d visited as a kid and later on field trips with her own children. “This is not who we are as a country,” she said, before pausing and adding, “Or it’s not who we’re supposed to be.”

So just over a week after the Capitol attack, Joan was thrilled to have a new opportunity for online investigative work opportunity land in her inbox. This time, she wasn’t vetting a potential romantic interest for one of her friends. She was hunting down an insurrectionist.

It’s been nearly six months since a violent mob invaded the U.S. Capitol because they believed then-President Donald Trump’s lies about mass voter fraud and supported his efforts to toss out millions of votes and Joe Biden’s electoral victory. The feds were woefully unprepared for what Trump supporters had in store for lawmakers at the Capitol that day; shell-shocked and outnumbered law enforcement officers were overwhelmed by rioters and made only a handful of arrests. The U.S. Capitol — the closely guarded building where a cardboard protest sign or ill-timed laugh could get you led out of a congressional hearing in cuffs — had been overrun by an unruly mob. Hundreds of criminals were on the loose, spread out all across the country.

⚜️The feds have spent the first half of 2021 playing catch-up, churning out Capitol attack cases on a near-daily basis that cover behavior ranging from basic misdemeanor trespassing to brutal felony assaults on police officers. As the unprecedented probe reshapes the federal government’s approach to domestic terrorism, Justice Department officials announced last week they had cleared the benchmark of 500 arrests. Hundreds more are in the works, and Attorney General Merrick Garland said federal authorities would “continue to follow the facts in this case and charge what the evidence supports to hold all January 6th perpetrators accountable.”

Garland, the former Oklahoma City bombing prosecutor and federal appellate judge whom Biden formally named as his nominee for the Justice Department’s top position just hours after the insurrection, said DOJ’s efforts were “not possible without the continued assistance of the American public.”

Much of that assistance has come from people who personally knew Capitol suspects, including family members, coworkers, neighbors, Facebook frenemies, and old classmates who tipped off the FBI about the actions of someone they knew in real life.



☪️But there’s a whole other batch of Capitol defendants who ended up on the FBI’s radar thanks to the work of someone they’d never met: anonymous online sleuths who tracked down the digital breadcrumbs that Capitol suspects had often unknowingly sprinkled across the internet.

They call themselves sedition hunters, and they have receipts. They’re members of a loosely affiliated network of motivated individuals and pop-up volunteer organizations with names like Deep State Dogs and Capitol Terrorists Exposers that developed after the Jan. 6 attack to identify the Trump supporters who organized the Capitol riot and brutalized the law enforcement officers protecting the building.

♾️The sedition hunters scour the web for any and all photographs, videos and posts from people at the Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack across well-known websites like Facebook, YouTube and Twitter along with lesser-used sites and apps like Rumble, Gab and Telegram. They’ve got spreadsheets, Google Docs, links, bookmarks, unlisted YouTube backups, group chats and screenshots, as Joan puts it, “coming out the rear end.” They can uncover new evidence of conduct that’ll elevate a misdemeanor trespassing case into something much more serious; find the highest-quality image of a suspect that could generate new leads through facial recognition; and compile multimedia databases that turn the Jan. 6 attack into an interactive, high-stakes and soul-crushing edition of Where’s Waldo.

️Some of the early Jan. 6 online sleuthing efforts, much like the early stages of the FBI investigation itself, were a bit chaotic. Some social media users started tossing out names without doing due diligence. But as the weeks and months went on, the online investigators rather swiftly professionalized, taking cues from open-source research experts like John Scott-Railton of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto and the open-source research organization Bellingcat. (Rule no. 1: No naming suspects on social media; read up on the Boston Marathon bombing.) The community came together on Twitter, but now much of the more sensitive work takes place in non-public spaces ― chat rooms, DM groups, shared Google documents ― where members of the community collaborate and vet tips before they send them to the feds and, in some cases, share them with reporters.

☯️Some of the investigations, like the one that helped take down Trump fanatic Daniel Rodriguez for electroshocking D.C. Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone, are the work of trained researchers who prefer terms like OSINT to refer to their open-source intelligence techniques. Others, like the online sleuths who identified the man who assaulted officers with a fire extinguisher while wearing in an American flag jacket emblazoned with Trump’s name as Robert Scott Palmer, are self-described amateurs bringing their preexisting skills to the table and pick up techniques as they go along.

☸️There are regional-focused sedition hunters like Joan, who collect evidence on Capitol rioters in their own backyards, and then there are groups that zero in on specific organizations like the Oath Keepers. There are archivists with the encyclopedic knowledge of the timeline, locations and key players in the Jan. 6 attack. There are hashtaggers who generate catchy, memorable nicknames to help the community track the actions of suspects still at large. There are the computer whizzes who create slick websites that let you explore evidence in a user-friendly format. There are the diplomats who serve as liaisons between break off groups in the larger sedition hunters network, working to ease tensions and keep everyone working together in pursuit of a common goal.

☦️Since the Capitol attack, I’ve been in touch with dozens of investigators digging into the Capitol attack. They span the country ― from progressive enclaves to deep-red Trump territory ― and even the globe. Some of them have shared their names, others have disclosed personal details, and still others are fully anonymous sleuths I know only by their usernames, icons and investigative track records.

☸️There’s the academic tracking down Capitol seditionists in the heart of Trump country; the woman who perfected her detective skills as she recovered from cancer surgery; the online researcher desperately trying to get someone at the FBI to accept gigabytes of Capitol videos they have scraped from the depths of the internet; the sedition hunter known by their thumbs-up emoji who’s “just helping out” because they felt a duty to their country to archive as much Jan. 6 material as possible, and is still seeing “mountains” of new material every day; the meme-making sleuth from the Hague who enjoys both hunting down insurrectionists and filming TikToks with her grandkids.


☯️Even the spouse of a Capitol Police officer has joined in, leaning on their familiarity with the Capitol grounds and trying to channel their frustration into something productive.

☮️Since Jan. 6, this pop-up probe launched by a ragtag group of volunteer investigators has developed into a well-oiled machine churning out leads faster than feds can pick them up. Sedition hunters are happy to help. They’d just like a little feedback.

☸️Moving A Massive Bureaucracy
Sammy is a sedition hunter who started hunting for insurrectionists as she recovered from cancer surgery. Sammy, which is a pseudonym, found herself “immersed” in the work, which she found to be a wonderful escape from reality. “It’s a great distraction from my own worries,” she told me. “I feel like I’m doing something useful when I can’t do much of anything else.”


️Yet Sammy was also growing flustered not knowing whether the tips she submitted actually ended up in the right hands. She jokingly suggested the FBI take a page from the Domino’s Tracker app, imagining getting alerts assuring her that her tips weren’t just buried in an inbox somewhere. ”1 p.m.: Agent Smith has received your tip,” she imagined they’d say. ”3:45 p.m.: Agent Smith is cross-referencing your tip.”

“Then when they actually go and get the guy, they show, like, a Google Map in real time,” she said, laughing.

♾️There are very valid reasons that the FBI can’t go into that much detail about an unfolding investigation, of course, but tipsters still sometimes feel like the feds aren’t paying attention. The bureau has to sort through hundreds of thousands of tips, and solid leads on violent insurrectionists have been overlooked. With no feedback loop, frustrated sedition hunters have no clue what is happening behind the scenes, and are sometimes left thinking that the information they submitted to the bureau is just buried in a database somewhere.

☸️The process between tip intake and arrest can easily stretch into weeks and months, especially given the massive backlog of tips that the FBI received in the immediate aftermath of the Capitol attack, when there was a 750% increase in calls and electronic tips to the FBI’s National Threat Operations Center. Anonymous tips can take longer to verify than tips from those who know a suspect personally. But the feds appreciate the public’s help, and want to reassure Capitol tipsters frustrated by what those operating at internet speed see as the slow-churn of federal prosecutions and bureaucracy.


“As we have seen with dozens of cases so far, the tips matter. While it may appear that no overt law enforcement action is being taken on some tips that have been submitted, tipsters should rest assured that the FBI is working diligently behind the scenes to follow all investigative leads to verify tips from the public and bring these criminals to justice,” the FBI said in a statement to HuffPost.

Members of the public, the FBI statement said, have “provided tremendous assistance to this investigation, and we are asking for continued help to identify other individuals for their role in the violence at the U.S. Capitol.”

☯️While the term “sedition hunters” continues to pop up in FBI affidavits, the full impact of their work often flies under the radar. Take the network’s efforts to publicize images of wanted suspects. The FBI’s Capitol Violence wanted page, which has now featured images of more than 410 suspects, has evolved past the PDF compilations the bureau was posting in the immediate aftermath of Jan. 6. But the websites and easily shareable social media cards generated by the sedition hunters, which aren’t subject to the FBI’s constraints, often feature better images, more direct evidence of violence, and catchy nicknames that can generate social media discussion.

☮️Often, witnesses have contacted the FBI about someone they know not because they saw something on the FBI’s website or social media accounts, but because they saw info generated by sedition hunters.


☦️The FBI has long generated nicknames to increase publicity and get tips from the public, particularly for bank robbers. So far, they’ve refrained from doing so in the Capitol manhunt. (Republican trust in the FBI had plummeted even before the bureau started arresting hundreds of Trump supporters and plastering images of MAGA-hatted assailants on its website, and nicknames poking fun at Trump-loving rioters probably aren’t going to build any bridges.) Sedition hunters have no such qualms, and are happy to step into the void.

♥️♥️♥️♥️➡️➡️➡️A sleuth who goes by Erica started working on hashtags after she’d begun her sedition hunting by watching video recordings of the violent attacks on police and reporters at the Capitol. That can be a disturbing exercise, she said, and some sleuths will only watch videos with the sound off. “The reality is that people did terrible, unprecedented things, and there’s a deep responsibility in trying to hold them accountable,” she said. Generating hashtags, Erica found, was a welcome break.

“It’s hard and depressing to watch these videos,” Erica said. “The hashtags, if they’re funny, help add a bit of levity.”

There was “Bald Eagle,” the guy wearing an American flag suit and an eagle mask who, when he took the mask off after joining the mob trying to push through a police line, revealed his bald head; “Tricorn Traitor” for the guy in the colonial hat; “Pippi Long Scarf” for the guy with the long scarf; “Pinky N The Brainless” for a woman with pink hair and her partner. One of the Proud Boys was designated “Ray Ban Terrorist.” (Erica ― noting his slicked back curly light brown hair ― would’ve preferred “Amber Waves Of Lame.”) The guy jumping around with friends and yelling “f*ck antifa” was a group effort: He had a beard that looked like a lawn ornament, so he became “Party Pants Gnome.” FBI Capitol Violence suspect no. 405 ― the woman in the red outfit wanted for assaulting officers ― became “Trumpy Valentine.”




☸️The sedition hunters don’t have to worry much about upsetting any Trump supporters with nicknames like “Bubba Two Hat” or “Bullhorn Karen;” they may come from different backgrounds, but there aren’t many Trump fans in the mix.

⚛️The sleuths say their primary motivation is to their country, and want to bring those who participated in the riot to justice. They may take a bit of glee in how easy some of the Trump supporters made their work in some cases: Making social media posts about your commission of a federal crime probably isn’t the smartest move in the world, nor is committing crimes with your uncovered face when there was a perfectly valid reason — a mandate, in fact — to wear a mask. But they say their primary motivation and focus is getting justice for the victims of the Capitol attack and trying to ensure the violence of Jan. 6 is not repeated.

“This is not a hit job,” said a sedition hunter who goes by Dianna. “I can’t say what I’d’ve done if it had been a million women marching in pussy hats who attacked the Capitol. But guess what? That didn’t happen. We don’t live in that world.”

The ‘Holy Shit’ Moments



️Joan, the mom from Pennsylvania, stumbled into the sedition hunters world by chance. Someone in the budding community reached out through a political Facebook group she runs, hoping for publicity. The internet detectives were trying to identify the man who stormed onto the floor of the U.S. Senate wearing a “Hershey Christian Academy” sweatshirt, and they thought she could help spread the word.

☸️Joan got to work. She went to Hershey Christian Academy’s Facebook page and started digging, learning everything she could about the small school with barely a dozen staff members. It had only opened in 2019, and now ― because someone had the bright idea of breaking into the Capitol while wearing school swag ― it was at the center of the insurrection.

“I went and started looking at all the likes, all the comments. Then on every single like and comment I would go look on their profile and snoop around and say, ‘Oh, that guy’s too fat, that guy’s too bald, that guy’s too bearded, it’s not him,’” she said.

Soon she stumbled on a “pretty vanilla” Facebook profile of a man named Zeeker whose main photo was of a snowman. When she plugged Zeeker’s name into Facebook’s search bar, she turned up photos that he’d been tagged in. She realized she might just have a match. She took some screenshots, poked around his Instagram, and did a bit of Googling.



“Zeeker Bozell,” she learned, was Brent Bozell IV — as in the son of Brent Bozell III, the high-profile conservative activist and founder of the Media Research Center, and grandson of Brent Bozell Jr., the ghostwriter for Barry Goldwater and supporter of Joseph McCarthy.

“Whoa,” she thought as she went down a Google rabbit hole and read his grandfather’s Wikipedia page, which laid out the family’s ties to William F. Buckley, who founded the National Review and is considered the intellectual godfather of the conservative movement. “I’ve really stumbled on something.”

“I mean, I’m just, like, a mom,” Joan later told me. “It was kind of a holy shit moment.”


The FBI enlisting the public’s help to hunt down criminals is not a new phenomenon. Even back in its early days, when it was still called the Bureau of Investigation, it crowdsourced the hunt for the people who kidnapped Charles Lindbergh’s baby by distributing pamphlets across New York banks that listed the serial numbers for the expiring gold certificates that had been used in the ransom payoff, and eventually got a hit after a sharp gas station attendant thought to jot down a license plate number on the margin of the certificate.

☸️By 1950, former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had launched the FBI’s Most Wanted list in an effort to have the public help hunt down dangerous fugitives. During the hunt for the Unabomber in the 1990s, investigators deployed a media strategy that bumped up against internal FBI rules about how much information could be shared about an ongoing investigation, and former Attorney General Janet Reno eventually approved the task force’s decision to publish Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto in hopes of enlisting the public’s help in identifying him.

✅Twenty-five years after The Washington Post and New York Times published the Unabomber manifesto, Kaczynski’s worst nightmares about technology are reality. The Capitol defendants have been sucked into a digital dragnet: They’ve been captured on surveillance footage, caught on countless cell phone photos, nabbed on police body camera footage. The cell phones in their pockets, in addition to pinging towers that would allow the feds to easily pinpoint their location with a search warrant, also spewed location data to various apps like Facebook, which was not only a forum for Capitol insurrections to document their criminal activity, but also the place where they were radicalized in the first place.

➡️The problem for the FBI isn’t a lack of leads. It’s that they’re drowning in information, and the federal bureaucracy isn’t equipped for this kind of workflow. Hundreds of thousands of tips is a lot to work through, even for a world premier law enforcement organization.

Many sleuths have adapted to the pace of federal investigations, but there are still a lot of the decisions that leave them scratching their heads. The semi-famous QAnon supporters ― previously featured on Vice News and in a HBO documentary ― who were arrested by the FBI last week? Sleuths had the husband pegged back in April after the FBI posted his photo, and wondered why the feds didn’t just Google the names in the article that featured the image. When the FBI raided the home of an Alaska woman the bureau had mistaken for another Trump supporter who’d entered the Capitol and grabbed a laptop in Nancy Pelosi’s office, online investigators didn’t get why the FBI hadn’t taken a closer look at her husband’s public Instagram page, which was cited in the search warrant and made it clear they had the wrong woman.

It’s a bit exhilarating to be a few steps ahead of an FBI investigation, to know what’s coming weeks or even months before the feds arrive at the door of a Capitol rioter. Chris Sigurdson knows the feeling better than most. The Canadian man has submitted at least half a dozen tips to the FBI, but hadn’t heard anything back from the bureau when I spoke to him in April. But his Twitter handle did pop up in an FBI affidavit without warning in February, an experience he described as “surreal.”

“If someone tried to design the whole system in which all of these sedition hunters are operating, you couldn’t create it,” Sigurdson said. “It emerged organically, not just out of this event, but from Charlottesville and that whole experience of trying to identify people involved with that.”

️Sigurdson, like a lot of sedition hunters, found the initial days exhilarating. Over time, he said, the work transformed from less of a side hobby to more of an obligation. “Once I had to open up a spreadsheet so I could keep track of everything, suddenly it felt less like an online adventure game and more like an occupation,” Sigurdson said.

‘How Did You Get All Of This?’
Joan dialed in her tip to the FBI’s National Threat Operations Center in mid-January, just after midnight. The bureau was completely overwhelmed in the aftermath of Jan. 6, so she was stuck on hold for about 45 minutes. She gave her info, and waited for the FBI to get in touch.

Ten days later, an FBI agent gave her a call. Joan laid everything out. What Joan called her “weird little detective hobby” had left the FBI special agent impressed. ”How did you get all of this just from seeing his picture?” she said he asked her. ”You got his whole life story!”

☦️But the FBI was swamped. Thousands of tips were pouring in everyday, and sorting through the chaos was a logistical nightmare. The charges against Bozell wouldn’t come through for weeks. Joan had at least gotten a call back ― a real, live FBI special agent was on the case. Still, like thousands of other FBI tipsters, Joan grew a bit impatient as time dragged on. ”Come on,” she thought, ”I handed this guy to you on a silver platter! Where is his arrest?”

☸️Finally, it happened: Leo Brent Bozell IV ― aka “Zeeker” ― was arrested, and the charges against him unsealed.

Joan kept going, taking to the broader hunt for insurrectionists with zeal as she scoured videos and followed suspects known only by a hashtag as part of the crowdsourced efforts. She kept an eye out for Bozell too, and she eventually spotted that sweatshirt again. Twice, in fact. In one video, Bozell is on the front line of the battle with police officers, attempting to rip down a tarp and let the mob through. In another, he’s smashing a Capitol window. So weeks after she helped the FBI identify Bozell, she pointed federal authorities to evidence they seem to have overlooked.

“Thank you very much for this new information,” the FBI special agent wrote in an email after Joan passed along links. “I will make sure I share this with the prosecutors in the case.”

☮️The next day, prosecutors presented their evidence before a federal grand jury in Washington, which indicted Bozell on seven counts. Among the new felony charges: destruction of government property for breaking a window.

✅Joan was blown away — and a bit intimidated — by the role she’d played in identifying a member of a conservative political dynasty as a Capitol insurrectionist and helping the FBI build the case against him. A hobby Joan snuck in while taking care of her kids could land Bozell — the namesake of men who were at the forefront of America’s conservative movement for the better part of a century — in federal prison.

Joan is now all-in on her sedition hunters work. She’s got her files organized and continues sending information to the FBI, and uses an anonymous Twitter account to keep the world informed about the activities of Capitol rioters who have been charged (or who will soon be arrested). She’s mapping out the networks of Jan. 6 riot participants, including many of whom traveled to D.C. on buses paid for by Pennsylvania state Sen. Doug Mastriano, a right-wing Republican with a big Facebook following who gained notoriety by promoting Trump’s big lie about the election and is now weighing a run for governor.

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And she remains astonished that Bozell wore a sweatshirt bearing the name of a tiny school his child attended as he stormed the U.S. Capitol, smashed out a window, and took over the floor of the U.S. Senate in an attempt to overturn the election on behalf of Donald Trump.

“He probably would’ve gotten away with it,” Joan joked, “if it weren’t for these meddling sleuths.”



DoubleCrownAddict wrote:
It feels like I'm dropping atomic bombs on the fake sock puppet accounts when I drop these big posts

⚠️The most exciting Jan 6 development yet

♥️♥️♥️ Roger Stone and Alex Jones are about to get exposed♥️♥️♥️


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Roger Stone and Alex Jones Are The Latest Trump Associates Subpoenaed by Jan. 6 Committee
GET ME ROGER STONE
Jose Pagliery
Political Investigations Reporter
Updated Nov. 22, 2021 5:51PM ET Published Nov. 22, 2021 5:49PM ET
The latest round of subpoenas from the special congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection on Monday target some well-known instigators of the attack on the Capitol, including the infamous Republican operative Roger Stone and leading conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.

Stone and Jones were among five people issued subpoenas from the committee, which continues to demand testimony and documents from rally organizers.

The chair of the committee, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS), issued a statement Monday evening saying that Jones and Stone are among key organizers with “relevant information.”

“The Select Committee is seeking information about the rallies and subsequent march to the Capitol that escalated into a violent mob attacking the Capitol and threatening our democracy. We need to know who organized, planned, paid for, and received funds related to those events, as well as what communications organizers had with officials in the White House and Congress,” his statement read.


Stone, reached shortly after the announcement, told The Daily Beast that he had not yet been served the subpoena.

“I have said time and time again that I had no advance knowledge of the events that took place at the Capitol on that day,” he wrote to The Daily Beast via text message.


Journalists and academic researchers of right-wing movements have documented how Stone was in Washington, D.C. in the hours before the attack and was flanked by a security detail of Oath Keepers, an armed anti-government militia whose members played a prominent role in the assault on the Capitol.

Jones did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The three others targeted by the committee on Monday were conservative political strategists Dustin Stockton, his fiancé Jennifer Lynn Lawrence, and Taylor Budowich.

To hear the fringe doctors who gathered at an equine facility for the Florida COVID Summit earlier this month, ivermectin is as effective against the virus in humans as it is against worms in horses.

“I have been on ivermectin for 16 months, my wife and I,” Dr. Bruce Boros declared at the end of the meeting at the World Equestrian Center in Ocala. “I have never felt healthier in my life.”

Two days later, the 71-year-old cardiologist fell ill with COVID-19, according to the organizer of the one-day gathering and two other people with direct knowledge.

The organizer, Dr. John Littell, further reported to The Daily Beast that six others among the 800 to 900 participants had also tested positive or developed COVID symptoms “within days of the conference.”

“People are considering if it was a superspreader event,” Littell said.

In the next breath, he dismissed the very thought with an emphatic “No.”

Everyone 11/06/21 The Day the Earth Listened. Florida Summit on CV 19. Ocala, Fl. The truth will be told. Anyone involved with the PRESS needs to pay attention!

— Bruce Boros (@BorosBruce) November 1, 2021
Littell conveniently decided that those with COVID were already infected when they arrived at the summit, where no masks or social distancing were in evidence.

“I think they had gotten it from New York or Michigan or wherever they were from,” he said. “It was really the people who flew in from other places.”

Littell added, “Everybody so far has responded to treatment with ivermectin… Bruce is doing well.”

Boros remained seriously ill at his Key West home, according to people who know him but who asked not to be identified. Boros himself did not respond to phone messages and emails.


Dr. Bruce Boros.

However Boros is faring, there remains the question of why he became seriously ill in the first place if ivermectin is the wonder drug the anti-vaccine crowd claims it is, rather than primarily a treatment for parasites and head lice in humans, as well as a horse dewormer. He had been taking the drug since the summer of last year for what he described as a personal research project.

“I hope to proceed with my ivermectin observational study quickly,” he announced in a July 28, 2020, Facebook post. “It’s working where it’s being used around the world.”

He proceeded from that falsehood to some incendiary MAGA nonsense:

“Fauci is a fraud—big pharma is playing us for suckers. Dr. Boros.”

Fringe Docs Literally Met at Horse Center to Flog Ivermectin
CAN’T MAKE IT UP
Michael Daly

His hometown newspaper reported that the post by “one of the Keys’ most recognized doctors” caused “a Category 5 social media storm.”

Much of the reaction was negative.

“It breaks my heart that a town like this has made something so political and hateful,” Boros told Florida Keys Weekly. “What’s wrong with people? I just want to help patients and keep them from dying.”

He reported administering ivermectin to a man battling COVID.

“Within six hours he was talking without coughing,” Boros was quoted saying.

Medical authorities say there is no evidence the drug protects or cures COVID. The FDA and the CDC warn that it could, in fact, be dangerous. The FDA famously tweeted this year: “You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”


But Boros has remained so convinced of the drug’s value that he put his 97-year-old father, Carl Arfa, on it along with himself. His father, sensibly, then decided to get something proven to work against COVID: the vaccine.

“He had been brainwashed,” Boros said at the summit. He recalled, “He got it. He didn’t tell me. I was very upset. I wanted to give him a spanking. He got both jabs.”

Arfa caught the virus, which officials say is still spreading because so many people refused to get the vaccine. While the shot has proven to prevent serious illness and death in the overwhelming majority of those who get infected, Arfa—like some elderly patients or those with underlying health problems—became critically ill from COVID.

He fought on as might be expected of a World War II vet who received a Bronze Star with the 271st Anti-Tank Regiment of the Fighting 69th Infantry Division and helped liberate a concentration camp in Leipzig. Boros repeatedly made the four-hour drive from Key West to the father’s home in Boca Raton, administering intravenously whatever fluids he thought best. Boros last saw him on Nov. 1. The father finally lost his fight with the virus five days later, hours before Boros attended the summit.

“My father passed away this morning from complications of COVID,” he told the gathering.

Boros wondered aloud whether he had made a mistake when he took his father off ivermectin following the jab.

“I feel a little guilty,” he allowed.

He was so lost in untruth that he suggested the vaccine had actually contributed to his father’s death.

“We’re seeing astronomical numbers of deaths in people that have been vaccinated, particularly the older people,” he said.


There is no evidence the vaccine is unsafe, but the vast majority of those now dying from COVID are unvaccinated. CDC data released on Monday indicates that the unvaccinated have a six times greater chance of becoming infected with COVID and a 14 times greater chance of dying than those who got the shot. The CDC says flatly that “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective,” adding, “Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.”

But such truths are too inconvenient among the fringe doctors who place their faith in unproven ivermectin. The summit’s organizer, Littell, told The Daily Beast that he has prescribed ivermectin to some 2,000 people, all over the country, with what he describes as good results.

“I’ve had one or two people who didn’t really respond,” he said. “Some people just don’t do well with a bad virus.”

He said that all the attendees at the summit appeared fine when they arrived and when they departed. “The people who came were in good condition to travel,” he said.

But the Florida Department of Public Health in Marion County, which oversees Ocala, did not respond to a request for comment about the new cases that cropped up after a meeting at an equestrian center full of fringe physicians who had plenty of horse dewormer, but not an ounce of horse sense.



Posted on November 22, 2021, at 1:06 p.m. ET

US Department of Justice
Frank Scavo inside the US Capitol on Jan. 6. in front of a painting of a scene from the War of 1812.

WASHINGTON — US District Judge Royce Lamberth sentenced Capitol rioter Frank Scavo — a former school board official from Pennsylvania who organized buses to Washington, DC, on Jan. 6 and joined the mob that went into the Capitol — to 60 days inJail jail, blowing past the prosecutor’s recommendation of two weeks.

Lamberth didn’t offer a lengthy explanation for his decision, as some judges have done in these cases, pausing only for a few seconds after the lawyers finished arguing before announcing the sentence. But he said earlier in the hearing that even people like Scavo who weren’t charged with violence were responsible for making up the mob that brought the government to a “screeching halt.” He expressed dismay that Scavo’s lawyers filed a memo appearing to “quibble” with their client’s responsibility for illegally entering the Capitol.

Lamberth also ordered Scavo to pay a $5,000 fine, the maximum allowed by law for the misdemeanor crime that Scavo pleaded guilty to — and an additional punishment the government hadn’t asked for. The judge’s final comment to Scavo underscored that he wasn’t moved by the defense’s request for leniency.


♥️➡️“From the point the jig was up, you've done everything you could. Good luck to you,” Lamberth said.

Lamberth was the first judge to hand down a sentence in the Capitol cases earlier this year, ordering Anna Morgan-Lloyd of Indiana to serve probation after she delivered a tearful statement to the court expressing regret for her role in the riot. The next day, Morgan-Lloyd appeared on Fox News and made comments that appeared to downplay the violence on Jan. 6; her lawyer has claimed her client got “played” by host Laura Ingraham.

✳️Lamberth has made clear since then that he felt burned by what happened with Morgan-Lloyd, and that other defendants asking for mercy would be met with a skeptical eye. In a written opinion in September in the case of rioter Jacob Jail Chansley, who at the time had pleaded guilty and was awaiting sentencing, Lamberth wrote that he hoped Chansley’s “change of heart is sincere.”

The judge added in a footnote: “The Court’s hopes have been recently dashed when, a day after sentencing, another January 6 defendant made statements in an interview that directly conflicted with the contrite statements she made to the undersigned.”

Lamberth last week sentenced Chansley to 41 months in Jail prison Jail , which was less than the 51 months incarceration that the government argued for, but far more than the period of time-served (roughly 10 months) that Chansley wanted; he’d pleaded guilty to one felony count for obstructing Congress. Earlier this month, Lamberth rebuffed another Capitol rioter’s request for a lighter sentence, ordering Scott Fairlamb to spend 41 months in Jail prison Jail after the former mixed martial arts fighter from New Jersey pleaded guilty to punching a police officer in the head.

Lamberth isn’t the first judge to hand down a stiffer sentence than what the government requested in a Jan. 6 prosecution. US District Judge Tanya Chutkan first did that in October, sentencing Matthew Mazzocco to 45 days in Jail jail Jail instead of the period of home detention recommended by the prosecutor.

“There have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government, beyond sitting at home,” Chutkan said at the time.

Scavo pleaded guilty in September to one count of parading, demonstrating, or picketing in the Capitol, the same low-level misdemeanor featured in most of the more than 130 plea deals entered in the riot prosecutions so far, including Morgan-Lloyd’s case. Scavo helped charter buses that brought more than 200 Trump supporters from northeast Pennsylvania to Washington, according to the government, and had spent more than a decade as an elected school board member and ran twice for the state legislature.

The prosecutor and Scavo’s lawyers noted his history of public service and lack of previous criminal record as factors that weighed in his favor, but Assistant US Attorney Seth Meinero also argued to Lamberth on Monday that Scavo “should have known better.” Meinero played videos that show Scavo was standing close to a chaotic mob that overwhelmed a “thin line” of US Capitol Police officers trying to guard an entrance to the Capitol, filmed what was happening, and then entered once the doors were breached. At one point he turns his camera on himself and says, “Here we go.”

✳️Throughout the afternoon of Jan. 6, Scavo posted comments on Facebook expressing support for the riot, including “No certification Today!!!”, and recorded video on his phone where he could be heard saying, “Your own personal tour of the freaking Capitol. We f*cking took it back. Took it back.”

Facepalm . Delusional idiots.

Scavo read a statement to the judge claiming that he’d only gone up the stairs to the Capitol to take pictures of the scene, and didn’t feel like he could move because people were pushing around him. He said the mob “surrounded me” and that when the crowd “surged” he entered the building. He called Jan. 6 a “dark day in our history” and said that he regretted his involvement.

In an interview published the day after the riot with a local TV station, he claimed he hadn’t gone inside the Capitol. One of his lawyers said on Monday that he’d been “scared” and that he’d fully cooperated with the FBI once he learned he was under investigation. After participating in voluntary interviews with the FBI in January but before he was charged and arrested in March, Scavo on social media promoted a cartoon published in a local newspaper that depicted him driving a bus called the “Sedition express” and posted comments that made light of the allegations.

How an Indiana woman’s downplaying of Jan. 6 is affecting other Capitol riot cases
SARAH NELSON | INDIANAPOLIS STAR | 9 hours ago


Indiana Senator Mike Braun answers questions on the riots at the United States Capitol.

An Indiana woman’s downplaying of her involvement in breaching the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 after receiving no jail time for it this summer doesn't appear to have pleased the judge over her case — and is creating a ripple effect in other cases.



♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth sentenced Anna Morgan-Lloyd in June for demonstrating in a Capitol building after she entered a guilty plea in exchange for three years of probation.
♥️♥️♥️♥️
The Bloomfield woman became the first person sentenced in the aftermath of the riot that saw thousands storm the Capitol.

'Best day ever': Bloomfield woman gets 14 days imprisonment in Capitol riot case

Lamberth acknowledged Morgan-Lloyd's tearful apology in court but said at the time that he struggled with her sentence. He accepted her plea after commending her for showing remorse, but gave a stern warning that her lighter sentence should not serve as a benchmark.


♥️♥️♥️✳️⚠️ Breaking ⚠️♥️♥️♥️♥️

♥️➡️Crazy Trump supporter who took Pelosi's lecture gets heavy sentance.

☑️The Florida man charged with taking the lectern of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and parading it around the Capitol on Jan. 6 reached a plea agreement with prosecutors.

Adam Johnson, 36, pleaded guilty in federal court Monday to entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds, a charge that comes with a maximum sentence of one year in prison and a fine of $100,000. In exchange, prosecutors agreed to dismiss charges of theft of government property and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.



⚠️⚠️Judge scolds FL man who took Pelosi lectern in Capitol riot. ‘Why shouldn’t I lock you up?’⚠️

BY JESSICA DE LEON UPDATED NOVEMBER 22, 2021 3:49 PM


✳️The Parrish man who posed for photos after stealing Nancy Pelosi’s lectern during the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has pleaded guilty to illegally entering the Capitol that day.

Adam Johnson, 36, pleaded guilty Monday morning to one count of entering or remaining in any restricted building. In exchange for his plea and accepting responsibility, federal prosecutors are not seeking any prison time.

Johnson was quickly identified after photos of him smiling and waving while carrying the lectern went viral, and other Manatee County residents recognized him and submitted tips to the FBI. The lectern — valued at more than $1,000 according to the House curator — was later found by Senate staff in the Red corridor of the Senate wing off the Rotunda in the Capitol.


The lead prosecutor, Assistant U.S. Attorney Jessica Arca, and Johnson’s defense attorneys, Dan Eckhart and David Bigney, determined as part of the plea agreement signed Oct. 26 that prison time would not be appropriate. The U.S. Attorney’s Office also agreed to reduce Johnson’s score on sentencing guidelines because he has taken responsibility for his actions that day.

The agreement is also recommending that Johnson pay $500 restitution for his share of the damage done to the Capitol — which totaled nearly $1.5 million. Johnson was not present in the Washington D.C. for Monday’s hearing, and the plea was instead taken in a video conference.

Johnson could face up to one year in prison, a $100,000 fine, a year of supervised release and could be forced to pay whatever restitution is left to be paid after payments from others convicted in the case.


Senior U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton will sentence Johnson at 9:30 a.m. Feb. 25.

Walton declined to detain Johnson until sentencing based on the prosecution’s request, but not without expressing his concerns and making clear he was considering imposing prison time.

“You seemed to have thought it was a fun event to be involved in. I don’t understand that mentality and to come to Washington D.C. and to destroy a monument of our democracy, I find very, very disturbing,” Walton said.

“And what concerns me, is that you were gullible enough to come all the way up here from Florida based upon a lie and then associate yourself because of that☑️➡️ lie with people and try to undermine the will of the American public about who should be the president of the United States.”


Meanwhile, Walton continued, the person who inspired Johnson’s action, former President Donald Trump, is still making those false statements.

☑️“I have concerns about whether you will be gullible when something like this arises again ... That concerns me, it really does because we are in a troubled situation as a country,” he said. Fab “Al Gore had a better case to argue than Mr. Trump and he was a man about what happened to him and he accepted it for the benefit of the country and walked away. “

Walton called Johnson weak-minded enough to believe Trump’s lie and do what he did before asking him, “So why shouldn’t I lock you up sir? Why should I think that you won’t do this again?”

“Your honor, I understand that my actions are irreprehensible but I am here pleading guilty because I am guilty. I have taken responsibility,” Johnson said. “This was my first protest and last protest.”


The other charges Johnson faced — one count of theft of government property and one count of violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds — will be dismissed. Prosecutors have also agreed not to prosecute Johnson for any other non-violent crimes he may have committed during any events surrounding the insurrection at the Capitol.

Johnson had at some point indicated he wanted to publicize his involvement in the Capitol riot in a book, Walton revealed before warning him that should he publish anything for the next five years, the federal government would have to seize any that he may profit as a result.

♥️♥️♥️➡️➡️➡️➡️PROSECUTOR DETAILS JOHNSON’S PARTICIPATION⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️♥️♥️♥️

✳️Johnson had traveled to Washington D.C. with an unnamed friend on Jan. 5 to go to Trump’s rally, the prosecutor detailed as part of the factual basis she laid out on the record on Monday morning. He was armed with a knife but got rid of it on his way to the rally, throwing it in some bushes.


☑️The two joined the crowd when they began running toward the Capitol, witnessing several skirmishes between rioters and police along the way, even recording video of one such skirmish on his phone.

❌They were close enough that tear gas stung his eyes, but the two got separated before Johnson climbed the scaffolding outside the Capitol. As others directly to his left were breaking in through a window, Johnson breached the building through the Senate wing door.

❇️“He wondered about the Capitol for several minutes,” Arca said. “He went down a hallway into Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite. He actually jiggled the handle to one of the doors, but it was locked and he went on his way.”

✳️It was then that Johnson found and took Pelosi’s lectern. He carried it out to the House Rotunda, posing for several photos and setting it down. Johnson also asked someone to take a photo with his own cellphone as he gestured and posed behind the lectern.


Johnson then made his way toward the House chambers, where several protesters were confronting a line of police officers and joined the crowd, moving with them as they pushed past the line and reaching a vestibule that leads to House chamber. Others were beating on the door and chanting “stop the steal.” Johnson shouted that a bust of Washington in that vestibule would be “a great battering ram.”

It was 2:55 p.m. when Johnson finally left the Capitol.

“Following his time in DC, he deleted media located in his phone, photos and videos,” Arca said. “He also deleted his Facebook account.”





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I'm researching the internet in real time and finding Trump supporters involved in the Jan 5 Trump terrorist insurrection who are being sentenced to jail and prison




U.S. Capitol rioter gets 41 months in prison, longest sentence imposed
By Jan Wolfe and Mark Hosenball


3 minute read
WASHINGTON, Nov 10 (Reuters) - A former mixed martial artist filmed punching a police officer during the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol received a 41-month prison⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️Jail ♥️♥️♥️ sentence on Wednesday, the stiffest punishment yet in the almost 700 criminal cases stemming from the siege.

U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth cited the seriousness of New Jersey gym owner Scott Fairlamb's conduct when he sentenced him. Fairlamb was captured screaming at officers by their body-worn cameras before shoving one and then punching him in the face and pleaded guilty in August.

☑️"Had you gone to trial, I don't think there's any jury that could have acquitted you," the judge told Fairlamb.


Fairlamb was the first rioterJail sentenced for violence against police during the attack. Lamberth noted that his sentence will be a benchmark for the more than 120 defendants charged with attacking police during the Capitol assault by thousands of Donald Trump supporters trying to overturn his election defeat.


A Capitol Police officer who had been attacked by protesters died the day after the riot and four police officers who took part in the defense of the Capitol later took their own lives. About 140 police officers were injured.

Fairlamb's lawyer had asked Lamberth to "take into consideration the approximate 11 months his client has already served in custody" and not add additional time.

An emotional Fairlamb addressed the judge during the hearing, saying he brought shame upon his family's name.

"I have nothing but remorse," Fairlamb said, later adding: "I just hope you show some mercy on me, sir."

Jail Federal prosecutors had recommended a 44-month sentence.

Justice Department lawyer Leslie Goemaat highlighted Fairlamb's martial arts training during Wednesday's hearing, as well as earlier run-ins with the law.



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A mob of supporters of then-U.S. President Donald Trump climb through a window they broke as they storm the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, U.S., January 6, 2021. REUTERS/Leah Millis/File Photo



"He was trained to throw a punch and was well aware of the injury he could cause," Goemaat said.

Goemaat also mentioned a video Fairlamb recorded during the riots in which he said: “What Patriots do? We f*ckin’ disarm them and then we storm the f*ckin’ Capitol!”




"The defendant's own statements on that day suggest that he came prepared for violence," Goemaat said.

'QANON SHAMAN' SENTENCING NEXT WEEK♥️


Most of the guilty pleas in Jan. 6 prosecutions have been in cases involving non-violent misdemeanors, but government lawyers are now seeking prison sentences for some defendants facing more serious felony charges.

Prosecutors in a late-night court filing recommended a four-year, three-month sentence for Jacob Chansley, the participant in the Jan. 6 riots nicknamed the "QAnon Shaman."


Lamberth, who is also handling Chansley's case, will sentence him on Nov. 17.

Chansley’s attorney, Albert Watkins, said in a Tuesday court filing that Chansley should be released "as soon as possible," noting that he will have spent more than 10 months in pretrial detention.


"I can say with confidence that Mr. Chansley is in dire need of mental health treatment," Watkins said in the filing, adding that further time behind bars "jeopardizes his mental stability."

☑️Some 210 people have been charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding police officers or employees during the attack, the Justice Department said. Four people have pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement.








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Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 15:07 Quote
iffy wrote:
the "DDT is safe because there is no evidence it is harmful" argument is no longer a valid way to arrive at a conclusion. Rolleyes

prove that it is not damaging without doubt BEFORE causing irreversible damage is the only way to proceed safely.

basically "settle the science for" rather than claim "there is no evidence against" (even though there is)

no benefit of the doubt can be given for activities that may be harmful/damaging and probably impossible to rectify.

the tabacco industry is the same as the FF industy and EVs/bio fuel are just the new vaping. Wink
This is such a wildly stupid analogy, even by your admittedly high standards of stupidity.

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 15:25 Quote
DCA, I just posted as one of my sock puppet accounts, BBLB.

You’re welcome. Smile

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 15:31 Quote
badbadleroybrown wrote:
iffy wrote:
the "DDT is safe because there is no evidence it is harmful" argument is no longer a valid way to arrive at a conclusion. Rolleyes

prove that it is not damaging without doubt BEFORE causing irreversible damage is the only way to proceed safely.

basically "settle the science for" rather than claim "there is no evidence against" (even though there is)

no benefit of the doubt can be given for activities that may be harmful/damaging and probably impossible to rectify.

the tabacco industry is the same as the FF industy and EVs/bio fuel are just the new vaping. Wink
This is such a wildly stupid analogy, even by your admittedly high standards of stupidity.

why?

Posted: Nov 24, 2021 at 16:15 Quote
In 1972, three scientists from MIT created a computer model that analyzed global resource consumption and production. Their results shocked the world and created stirring conversation about global 'overshoot,' or resource use beyond the carrying capacity of the planet. Now, preeminent environmental scientists Donnella Meadows, Jorgen Randers, and Dennis Meadows have teamed up again to update and expand their original findings in The Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Global Update.

Meadows, Randers, and Meadows are international environmental leaders recognized for their groundbreaking research into early signs of wear on the planet. Citing climate change as the most tangible example of our current overshoot, the scientists now provide us with an updated scenario and a plan to reduce our needs to meet the carrying capacity of the planet.

Over the past three decades, population growth and global warming have forged on with a striking semblance to the scenarios laid out by the World3 computer model in the original Limits to Growth. While Meadows, Randers, and Meadows do not make a practice of predicting future environmental degradation, they offer an analysis of present and future trends in resource use, and assess a variety of possible outcomes.

In many ways, the message contained in Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update is a warning. Overshoot cannot be sustained without collapse. But, as the authors are careful to point out, there is reason to believe that humanity can still reverse some of its damage to Earth if it takes appropriate measures to reduce inefficiency and waste.

Written in refreshingly accessible prose, Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update is a long anticipated revival of some of the original voices in the growing chorus of sustainability. Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Update is a work of stunning intelligence that will expose for humanity the hazy but critical line between human growth and human development.

Could be worth a read !

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 1:21 Quote
"a plan to reduce our needs to meet the carrying capacity of the planet."


really?


goes online to look at ebikes....

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 6:01 Quote
iffy wrote:
"a plan to reduce our needs to meet the carrying capacity of the planet."


really?


goes online to look at ebikes....

f*ck that plan.....

*goes online to look at Cobras. waffling between big block and 289 because small block may reduce impact on climate change Facepalm

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 7:13 Quote
adm750 wrote:
iffy wrote:
"a plan to reduce our needs to meet the carrying capacity of the planet."


really?


goes online to look at ebikes....

f*ck that plan.....

*goes online to look at Cobras. waffling between big block and 289 because small block may reduce impact on climate change Facepalm

Ummmmm........427, 428, 429 or you simply aren't right.... Cool

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 7:30 Quote
LOL....very true...! big block and sidepipes or take your ass back home. (friend of mine had built one with his dad when he was in high school. It was a right build too. No expense spared, BB Ford, jag rear end, sidepipes....and he did the weber conversion last year....)

but the small block car did all the winning. handles better and still hauls ass....

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 7:43 Quote
adm750 wrote:
LOL....very true...! big block and sidepipes or take your ass back home. (friend of mine had built one with his dad when he was in high school. It was a right build too. No expense spared, BB Ford, jag rear end, sidepipes....and he did the weber conversion last year....)

but the small block car did all the winning. handles better and still hauls ass....

I'va always wanted to do a FF or similar. Many tough choices to make when considering components. Let's face it, an original '60's Cobra drives like complete ass compared to todays' modern cars. Do I really want to build a car I want to drive, or one that pays homage to it's lineage?

My conclusion (certainly subject to change if I ever actually build/buy one!! LOL); Gotta be a 427 side-oiler with side pipes. Beyond that, everything else would be the best that modern technology offers!!

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 7:56 Quote
PACNW-MTB wrote:
adm750 wrote:
LOL....very true...! big block and sidepipes or take your ass back home. (friend of mine had built one with his dad when he was in high school. It was a right build too. No expense spared, BB Ford, jag rear end, sidepipes....and he did the weber conversion last year....)

but the small block car did all the winning. handles better and still hauls ass....

I'va always wanted to do a FF or similar. Many tough choices to make when considering components. Let's face it, an original '60's Cobra drives like complete ass compared to todays' modern cars. Do I really want to build a car I want to drive, or one that pays homage to it's lineage?

My conclusion (certainly subject to change if I ever actually build/buy one!! LOL); Gotta be a 427 side-oiler with side pipes. Beyond that, everything else would be the best that modern technology offers!!

I agree. I love the complete "f*ck you" of a big block sidepipe car, but if I were building something it would be hard to not do a low-slung, mid-engine corner carver with big brakes, manual gearbox, and using something like BMW's M70 V12 powerplant

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 8:06 Quote
adm750 wrote:
PACNW-MTB wrote:
adm750 wrote:
LOL....very true...! big block and sidepipes or take your ass back home. (friend of mine had built one with his dad when he was in high school. It was a right build too. No expense spared, BB Ford, jag rear end, sidepipes....and he did the weber conversion last year....)

but the small block car did all the winning. handles better and still hauls ass....

I'va always wanted to do a FF or similar. Many tough choices to make when considering components. Let's face it, an original '60's Cobra drives like complete ass compared to todays' modern cars. Do I really want to build a car I want to drive, or one that pays homage to it's lineage?

My conclusion (certainly subject to change if I ever actually build/buy one!! LOL); Gotta be a 427 side-oiler with side pipes. Beyond that, everything else would be the best that modern technology offers!!

I agree. I love the complete "f*ck you" of a big block sidepipe car, but if I were building something it would be hard to not do a low-slung, mid-engine corner carver with big brakes, manual gearbox, and using something like BMW's M70 V12 powerplant

Yep! Kinda like this build. Complete sacrilege (IMO), but cool as f*ck, and probably "better" than the original. Soo many options, so little $$ and time! I really don't get all the grumpy f*cking people I run across every day. I got too much to do to sit around and whine about what I DON'T have...


I guess I will use that to segue into a robust and heartfelt, "Happy Thanksgiving" to all the regulars in here! Although we may all bitch, piss and moan a lot, we all have plenty to be thankful and grateful for! Cheers, f*ckers! Beer

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 9:42 Quote
Oh man!!!! I think doublecrackaddict needs to check into rehab!!!

If copy and paste is all you can provide than I think a intervention is needed. We all hope the best and hope your mom hugs you some day.

Proper debate may continue...

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 10:01 Quote
DCA, I'm trying to keep up with posting from my alternate sock puppet accounts.

Hope you're enjoying my content. Smile

Posted: Nov 25, 2021 at 11:02 Quote
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!


 
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