♨️Who indicts Trump first❓ Manhattan DA, Fulton County DA, The Feds, or the J6 committee referral

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♨️Who indicts Trump first❓ Manhattan DA, Fulton County DA, The Feds, or the J6 committee referral
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flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jan 10, 2022 at 20:51 Quote
My money is on the Fulton County DA. Manhattan has had at least one Grand Jury, the Feds are a wild card, they could still nail Trump for as many as 10 counts of Obstruction outlined in the Mueller report, which prevented Mueller from uncovering the collusion with Russia. The Jan 6 committee is going to take or awhile because of all the obstruction from Trump insurrectionists involved in the terrorists insurrection.

What if it all or some of the indictments happens in the same week or two?

It seems inevitable that it's going to happen this year given all the evidence being uncovered. The most blatantly obviously evidence is the Recorded Georgia phone call from Trump. The Manhattan DA also has tons of evidence that has been publicized. The Jan 6 committee keeps uncovering incredible evidence, such as the texts from Sean Hannity recently that showed the influence Fox News had over Trump.

Slightly ironic that the guy who cheated and lied his way into the White House promising to lock up Hillary Clinton could never even come close to doing that even with a corrupt AG, and just a year are leaving office is facing the prospect of multiple counts of criminal prosecution himself. Even more ironic that this guy who claimed he was going to "drain the swamp" back in 2016 obviously is the swamp himself, and is the presumed 2024 Republican candidate for President.

Then on top of all this Trump is facing lawsuits from 3 different parties for his involvement in his Jan 6 insurrection, plus multiple other lawsuits and investigations for less serious crimes.

Place your bets ❗
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jan 17, 2022 at 7:40 Quote
Things seen to be heating up for holding Trump accountable for his crimes. It really is starting to feel like the cult of Trump is finally starting to ebb, and that he may have a final public meltdown soon because of the pressure. He will always have his most hardcore idiots who believe him, but now even Ann Coulter is calling Trump a con man who only knows grift. Everything is collapsing around Trump, but he and his supporters are mostly in denial. This is a man who has always been spoiled and gotten his way, and never held accountable. That changes soon.





January 17, 2022 - 06:00 AM EST
Democrats see good chance of Garland prosecuting Trump

BY ALEXANDER BOLTON
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Senate Democrats believe there is a good chance the Department of Justice will prosecute former President Trump for trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election and inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, which would have major political reverberations ahead of the 2024 presidential election.

Democratic lawmakers say they don't have any inside information on what might happen and describe Attorney General Merrick Garland as someone who would make sure to run any investigation strictly "by the book."

But they also say the fact that Garland has provided little indication about whether the Department of Justice has its prosecutorial sights set on Trump doesn't necessarily mean the former president isn't likely to be charged.

Given the weight of public evidence, Democratic lawmakers think Trump committed federal crimes.

But Senate Democrats also warn that Garland needs to proceed cautiously. Any prosecution that fails to convict Trump risks becoming a disaster and could vindicate Trump, just as the inconclusive report by former special counsel Robert Mueller's team was seized upon by Trump and his allies to declare his exoneration on a separate series of allegations.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said "clearly what [Trump] did" in the days leading up and the day of the Jan. 6 attack on Congress "falls in the ambit of what's being investigated and perhaps is criminal."

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) said it's up to the prosecutors at the Justice Department whether to charge Trump, though he believes that the former president's actions on and before Jan. 6 likely violate federal law.

"They have all of the evidence at their disposal," he said.

Kaine believes federal prosecutors are looking seriously at charges against Trump, although he doesn't have any inside information about what they may be working on.

"My intuition is that they are" looking carefully at whether Trump broke the law, he said. "My sense is they're looking [at] everything in a diligent way and they haven't made a decision."

"I believe there are federal statutes that are very much implicated" by Trump's efforts to overturn President Biden's victory in the 2020 election, Kaine added.

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said, "I think anybody who it's proven had a role in the planning of [the Jan. 6 attack] should be prosecuted, not just the people who broke in and smashed the window in my office and others."

"I think anybody that's shown to have had a role in its planning absolutely should be prosecuted," he added. "I mean it was treason, it was trying to overturn an election through violent means."

Asked whether Trump broke the law, Brown said "I'm not going to say he's guilty before I see evidence," but he also said there's "a lot of evidence that he was complicit."

✅Trump is facing threats at the state level.

In Georgia, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis (D) told The Associated Press this past weekend that she is leaning toward asking a special grand jury to authorize subpoenas to advance her investigation of Trump's conversation with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R).

She said a decision whether to bring criminal charges against Trump would likely be made in the next six months.

Trump is also under criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney's office and New York Attorney Letitia James (D) for possible bank and insurance fraud.

Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill have their eyes on the legal fights but are more keenly interested in whether the federal Department of Justice, which has considerably more resources, will also bring its legal firepower to bear on the former president.

Garland gave Democrats a tantalizing hint when he announced the day before the first anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack that he would prosecute those responsible "at any level" for what he called "the assault on our democracy."

"The Justice Department remains committed to holding all Jan. 6 perpetrators, at any level, accountable under law - whether they were present that day or were otherwise criminally responsible," he said.

It was a potentially significant statement from an attorney general who otherwise keeps his cards close to the vest.

"Garland is a sort of by-the-book guy," said Kaine. "You have prosecutors who will talk about things, kind of give you status reports along the way. But that's not really the most professional things for prosecutors to do."

"What prosecutors usually do is they analyze all the evidence and then they either file an indictment or charge or they say nothing," he said. "If they file an indictment or charge, they let that speak for itself and they don't editorialize about it."

A Democratic senator who requested anonymity to comment on what Democratic lawmakers expect from Garland said many believe Trump broke the law by trying to halt the certification of Biden's victory.

But the lawmaker warned that it could be tough to win a conviction in court and that Trump will try to discredit any prosecution as a politically motivated witch hunt.

"It's going to be a hard decision for them to make," the senator said, referring to Garland and his team.

A second Democratic senator who requested anonymity to comment on the possibility of a federal prosecution of Trump warned that it would take only one pro-Trump juror to derail a conviction and that failure to win any case in court would have disastrous consequences.

"If you pull the trigger on this one, you have to make sure that you don't miss, because this is one if you miss it essentially validates the conduct," the senator warned.

Legal experts are split over how strong a case Garland would have against Trump.

Randall Eliason, a law professor at George Washington University and a former federal prosecutor, last year said that it would be appropriate for prosecutors to investigate Trump's role in the Jan. 6 attack and his efforts to halt Biden's certification as president.

But Andrew Koppelman, a constitutional law expert at Northwestern University, told Bloomberg that Trump's right to free speech would make any case against him difficult to prosecute.

"You can't allow the government to lock up protest leaders whenever the protests produce violence," he warned. "The Trump speech was full of lies, but that's not a crime. He told them to 'fight like hell,' but that's familiar political language that does not ordinarily produce violence."
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jan 18, 2022 at 22:25 Quote
When Eric Trump & Kimberly Guilfoyle’s phone records & Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell & Boris Epshteyn’s testimony & docs are subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee & Trump, Donald Trump Jr & Ivanka Trump are bitchslapped by Letitia James - it’s a good day.
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 28, 2022 at 10:05 Quote
Breaking: Today's testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson is related to a DOJ investigation.


"First came the surprising news that the Jan. 6 committee would be hosting a hearing on Tuesday. Now we might know why: their star witness could be in danger.

Cassidy Hutchinson, who was an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows during the attack on the U.S. Capitol, was revealed Monday as the mystery witness set to testify before the panel later Tuesday. But while the panel said it had hastily arranged a previously unscheduled hearing “to present recently obtained evidence and receive witness testimony,” it wasn’t exactly clear why this couldn’t wait until after a planned two-week hiatus the panel was supposed to take. According to Punchbowl News, members of the select committee brought the hearing forward in part over “sincere concerns” for Hutchinson’s physical safety because of what she has revealed to the panel, and that her testimony will inform the hearings that are due to take place in July.


Meadows Torched Docs After Sit-Down With Scott Perry, Ex-Aide Testifies

Hutchinson has already testified a few times before the panel in closed sessions. As Meadows’ executive assistant during the insurrection, she was at the heart of the West Wing and was party to vital meetings held by Trump in the lead-up to the attack.

And Hutchinson has already been credited with a string of jaw-dropping revelations about the events around the 2020 election. In May, reports emerged from her testimony that Meadows set about burning documents in his White House office after a meeting with Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), who wanted to overturn the election result. Hutchinson also blew the whistle on the ass-covering requests from six House Republicans to be granted presidential pardons for their actions around the riot at the Capitol. And arguably most shocking of all was Cassidy’s confirmation that Trump had approved of “Hang Mike Pence” chants as a mob tried to stop Joe Biden’s certification as president.

Exactly what kind of dirt Hutchinson has yet to dish isn’t entirely clear. But as Politico reported this month, it’s believed that the former White House insider has become more willing to fully cooperate with the panel after a change of legal counsel. Hutchinson was previously represented by Stefan Passantino, Trump’s main ethics attorney while in office. Her new counsel, Jody Hunt, was former Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ chief of staff during the breakdown of Sessions’ relationship with Trump over the Russia investigation.

As well as Hutchinson’s public testimony, there could be other groundbreaking moments during Tuesday’s hearing. The drum-rolled “recently obtained evidence” that the panel referred to could be derived from the tapes handed over by British documentary filmmaker Alex Holder, who supplied hours of footage shot with Trump and his inner circle before and after the election.

Holder has already publicly alleged that the president held a previously undisclosed phone call with Vladimir Putin aboard Air Force One just before voters went to the polls in late 2020."
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 28, 2022 at 21:46 Quote
Takeaways from today, one of the biggest days in American political history:

-AOC or Swalwell will become President in 2024
Now that Trump is done Biden will step aside and let the young guns take over and use the momentum from Roe being overturned by Taliban-like religious fascist Republicans.

-Mark Meadows will now flip on Trump
Duh. Trump's an idiot and is screwed. Keep talking idiot. The worst is yet to come. Much worse. But will Ivanka, Jerod, and others also flip? Will Trump eventually get banned from Truth Social?Jail

-Cassidy is a hero
An amazing witness with lots of credibility. Cassidy will become a popular name.

-Trump will destroy the Republican party
If they do not save him he will destroy them, that's how the Trump cult egomaniacal leader works. Fox News may become collateral damage. Lindsey Graham's destiny fulfilled.
flag krumpdancer101
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Posted: Jun 29, 2022 at 6:47 Quote
Mira Flores is going to rip AOC apart when she gets the Congress

There’s nothing for Mark Meadows to flip on

Cassidy is on her way to a perjury case once the Republicans take the house and the secret service has put out a message saying that they are open to allowing their agents to testify and review her statements. I bet money in the January fake committee won’t call them.

Donald Trump has brought the Republican Party together harder than any person ever in history. Voting is up 30% with Republicans while down 3% with Democrats. Republicans have united so hard and moved out of democratic hell holes that the two biggest democratic states have both loss congressional members and now have been given to deep red states lol.
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jul 14, 2022 at 7:41 Quote
Unless something happens down in Georgia, it's looking like a sure thing that the J6 Select Referral will be referring charges to the DOJ against at least Trump, Steve Bannon, and Mark Meadows. Trump's pathetic Big lie flunkies lawyers are all on the hot seat also.

Things are so hot with the J6 committee they've cancelled next week's hearing to refocus on new evidence and decide how to proceed with it.

The testimony from the hearings is so powerful that Trump has lost over 10% of his supporters and most Republicans do not want him to run for President. The Trump Cult is finally seeing the Truth about Con Man Don, and the carnage to the Republicans party will be publicly massacred. Along with Fox News who promoted Trump's big lie hard.

You know the GOP news is devastating when Republicans are desperately recycling ridiculous Hunter Biden conspiracy theories again.lol
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jul 28, 2022 at 7:17 Quote
DOJ, coming Trump's way⬇️

DOJ, Georgia, New York: A guide to Trump's legal threats
The former president is one of several prominent Republicans whom federal investigators are asking about. And that's among several other probes he faces.


Donald Trump is among the prominent Republicans whom Justice Department investigators are asking about as they look into whether crimes were committed to interfere with the electoral vote count on Jan. 6, 2021, according to a person familiar with the probe.

While at least two former top White House officials have appeared before a grand jury recently, it’s not yet clear whether Trump is, or will become, the target of a federal criminal probe. Yet the federal inquiry is just one of the probes edging closer to the former president, including an Atlanta-area grand jury investigation by a local prosecutor and a civil inquiry by the New York attorney general.


The Justice Department is seeking information about a host of well-known allies in Trump’s effort to disrupt the transfer of power and claim a second term he didn’t win. Federal prosecutors revealed Wednesday they had obtained a new search warrant to access the phone of one of those allies, attorney John Eastman.

Meanwhile, the Jan. 6 select committee is still pursuing wide-ranging inquiries into Trump’s conduct and preparing to reveal reams of evidence to federal prosecutors as well.

“We’ve spoken a lot about accountability,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.), a member of the select panel on the Capitol attack by Trump supporters. “And in order for that, for there to be true accountability, the Department of Justice may have to act.”

DOJ has signaled particular interest in the bevy of lawyers who surrounded Trump during his final weeks in the White House — including Eastman, Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis. Federal grand jury subpoenas that went out in recent months to witnesses in Georgia and Arizona cited potential contacts with Giuliani, Eastman and Ellis. The Washington Post first reported on the Arizona subpoena, and a person familiar with the Georgia document shared information about its contents with POLITICO.

Bernie Kerik, the former New York police commissioner and longtime Giuliani ally, was also named on both Georgia and Arizona subpoenas. Kerik worked with Giuliani on Trump’s post-election legal strategy, making him a potentially valuable witness.

But DOJ’s interest in that strategy may come with its own built-in challenges. Tim Parlatore, a lawyer for the former commissioner who also represents Trump on a separate matter, told POLITICO that he would move to quash any DOJ subpoena of Kerik.

“He was a member of the legal team, so a large portion of his knowledge would be privileged and therefore something the DOJ is not permitted to look into,” Parlatore said.

And Trump’s legal exposure isn’t just of the federal criminal variety. He still faces a civil probe by the attorney general in New York as well as an investigation by the district attorney of Georgia’s Fulton County into efforts by his backers to influence that state’s electoral votes.

He’s also the subject of sweeping lawsuits by members of Congress and Capitol Police officers who blame him for the violence of Jan. 6.

In short, Trump is where he’s been for much of his political life: at the center of intense criminal and legal controversies. The question is, will this time be different?

Here’s a rundown of the accelerating criminal and civil investigations aimed at Trump, who’s openly mulling when to announce a third presidential campaign:

✅DOJ’s work
Federal prosecutors have recently questioned two ex-aides to former vice president Mike Pence. Both were in the West Wing as Trump lobbied Pence to disrupt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory.

✅Former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson is also cooperating with the DOJ probe, according to a person with knowledge of the matter. ABC first reported that news.

✅In addition, federal agents last month raided the home of Jeffrey Clark, a DOJ official whom Trump considered appointing as acting attorney general in the days before Jan. 6. The same week, agents seized the cell phone of Eastman, a conservative attorney who developed Trump’s fringe legal strategy to overturn the election on the same day Congress was set to certify Biden as its winner.

Both actions were connected to an inquiry by the DOJ inspector general, who has authority to investigate matters connected to department employees. But on Thursday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Windom appeared on the docket of the Eastman case, suggesting the matter is being handled by the same prosecutorial team investigating the false elector issue.

✅Subpoenas recently obtained by the Post show that prosecutors have asked grand jury witnesses to share any information they have about Trump’s effort to remain in power despite losing reelection. These developments indicate DOJ has been eyeing Trump’s actions for months as part of its broader probe.

A video of then-President Donald Trump speaking is displayed as the House select committee holds a hearing.
INSURRECTION FALLOUT

A criminal probe of Trump could complicate Jan. 6 cases
BY JOSH GERSTEIN AND KYLE CHENEY
That inquiry has focused in part on the state Republican Party chairs and dozens of pro-Trump activists who falsely claimed to be legitimate presidential electors even though Biden had won their states’ popular votes. DOJ last month uncorked a batch of grand jury subpoenas aimed at several of those false electors, who were a pillar of Trump’ efforts to subvert the 2020 ballot.

The Jan. 6 select committee has shown Trump played a direct role in the Eastman-generated push to get Pence to consider slates of “alternate” pro-Trump electors. The then-president connected Eastman with Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel in December 2020 to seek her help with the plan.

Prosecutors have eyed other elements of pre-Jan. 6 activity as well. “Stop the Steal” founder Ali Alexander, who helped organize pro-Trump events that preceded the attack on the Capitol, testified to a grand jury in April.

And DOJ is also looking into the movement of boxes labeled as classified to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort after the end of his presidency.

Fulton County, Georgia
While public indications of DOJ’s investigation have bubbled up, the Atlanta-area probe run by District Attorney Fani Willis appears closer to actual charging decisions.

Willis recently subpoenaed a long list of Trump’s closest allies connected to the effort to overturn the 2020 election, including Eastman and Giuliani, as well as attorneys Cleta Mitchell and Kenneth Chesebro; Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.); and Rep. Jody Hice (R-Ga.).

The county DA has also indicated in court that 16 Trump allies who falsely claimed to be legitimate presidential electors are criminal targets of her investigation, including David Shafer, the chair of the Georgia GOP.

Lindsey Graham speaks.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., speaks Monday, June 13, 2022, during a debate with Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt, hosted by Fox News at the The Edward M. Kennedy Institute in Boston. | Josh Reynolds/AP Photo

Willis suffered a setback Monday when the judge overseeing her probe dinged her for a conflict of interest, noting that she had held a fundraiser for the political opponent of one of the false electors, state Sen. Burt Jones. But the investigation appears to be moving ahead, with depositions on the books over the next few weeks.

Willis is homing in on Trump’s effort to pressure Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” the number of votes he needed to overturn Biden’s victory in the state. Raffensperger resisted, describing his experience on that call during public testimony to the Jan. 6 committee last month.

Her probe into that episode appears to have expanded to include other elements of Trump’s bid to reverse his defeat, including the attempt to appoint false electors.

New York investigations
Trump’s decision in 2019 to give up his life-long legal residency in New York and move to Florida doesn’t seem to have lessened the intense interest prosecutors there have shown in his activities. An investigation by New York Attorney General Letitia James into Trump’s business dealings, particularly around real estate, has entered a critical phase.

In February, a state judge ordered the former president, son Donald Trump Jr. and daughter Ivanka Trump to sit for sworn depositions in the probe, which was triggered at least in part by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen telling Congress that Trump systematically inflated the value of his properties when seeking bank loans and diminished the valuations for tax purposes.

The Trumps unsuccessfully fought the demands in court and were scheduled to give the depositions earlier this month, but those sessions were delayed after Donald Trump’s former wife Ivana died in a fall at her Manhattan apartment.

It’s unclear whether Trump or his children will actually answer questions posed by James’ aides or exercise their Fifth Amendment rights not to respond. James’ office did not comment further on timing for those depositions.

New York State Attorney General Tish James speaks in New York.
NEW YORK

Trump’s fate might rest in her hands. But James’ fraud claims are tough to prove.
BY JANAKI CHADHA
James has only limited criminal authority, so her investigation seems to be a precursor to a potential civil lawsuit against Trump or his business. Trump’s lawyers have stressed that James is cooperating with the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which has broader criminal powers.

After a lengthy investigation, prosecutors from that office filed criminal tax and fraud charges last year against Trump’s business empire and its longtime chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg. Defense attorneys scoffed at the charges as trivial, including claims that the Trump Organization paid for apartment rentals and for Weisselberg’s grandchildren’s school tuition without reporting those amounts as income to employees.

The good news for Trump
One upside for the former president out of Gotham: The chances of the criminal tax and business fraud case expanding to cover more defendants or charges seem to have vanished in recent months.

When Alvin Bragg Jr. took over in January as Manhattan district attorney, he was reported to be skeptical of an aggressive effort to expand that case to include Trump and perhaps others as defendants. Indeed, Bragg was so dubious about those efforts that the lead prosecutors on the case, Mark Pomerantz and Carey Dunne, resigned abruptly in protest in February.

Pomerantz said in a resignation letter published by the New York Times that Trump was guilty of “numerous felony violations.” And the veteran prosecutor blasted Bragg for backing away from the case. “I and others believe that your decision not to authorize prosecution now will doom any future prospects that Mr. Trump will be prosecuted for the criminal conduct we have been investigating,” Pomerantz wrote.

The firm and Weisselberg pleaded not guilty to the charges and are awaiting trial in state court in Manhattan.


✅And another of the most formidable investigations Trump faced has all but vanished: the Manhattan district attorney’s probe into possible tax violations on the part of the former president.

When Bragg Jr.’s predecessor Cy Vance was district attorney, it appeared he had put together a courtroom-ready case against Trump. But after Bragg’s swearing-in this year, two top prosecutors focused on the office’s Trump probe resigned. They indicated that this was because Bragg had chosen not to pursue charges against the former president.
flag XCMark
Posted: Sep 19, 2022 at 17:43 Quote
They will arrest Trump at the same time they release the Maxwell client list.
flag terrasmak
Posted: Sep 20, 2022 at 13:03 Quote
XCMark wrote:
They will arrest Trump at the same time they release the Maxwell client list.

He could be on that list, so it will never happen
flag krumpdancer101
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Posted: Sep 20, 2022 at 13:32 Quote
terrasmak wrote:
XCMark wrote:
They will arrest Trump at the same time they release the Maxwell client list.

He could be on that list, so it will never happen

It’s more likely high-ranking, FBI and DOJ people.
flag terrasmak
Posted: Sep 20, 2022 at 15:20 Quote
krumpdancer101 wrote:
terrasmak wrote:
XCMark wrote:
They will arrest Trump at the same time they release the Maxwell client list.

He could be on that list, so it will never happen

It’s more likely high-ranking, FBI and DOJ people.

High up Dems and Republican most likely , with a few high up judges, DOJ and even high up IRS. Willing to bet that we will never know
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